Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky is trying to eliminate the ban on guns in U.S. Post Offices. Shannon Watts of Moms Demand Illegal Guns for Mayors Against Action (or something like that) opposes the move. “Prior to the current ban on guns inside federal buildings, mass shootings at U.S. Post Offices were so frequent that the phrase ‘going postal’ became a popular way to describe workplace violence in America.” Which implies that ‘going postal’ has gone out of fashion because the gun ban was/is so effective. Yes, well, in 1972, the Postal Service enacted 39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l) (“USPS Regulation”). That reg stipulates that . . .
Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.
So how many post office shootings pre-date the ban and, indeed, the turn-of-phrase? For that info we turn to the hive mind at Wikipedia:
The expression derives from a series of incidents from 1983 onward in which United States Postal Service (USPS) workers shot and killed managers, fellow workers, and members of the police or general public in acts of mass murder. Between 1986 and 1997, more than 40 people were gunned down by spree killers in at least 20 incidents of workplace rage.
Of the 21 entries in Wikipedia’s List of postal killings all of them occurred after the law went into effect. More to the point – well, my point – all of the incidents involved armed killers murdering unarmed victims. What’s more, “researchers have found that the homicide rates at postal facilities were lower than at other workplaces.”
So much for that then. Except of course, for Shannon’s shrieking. Here’s her full press release on the subject of gun ban reform in U.S. post offices:
(Indianapolis, IN) Feb. 3, 2014: Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America vehemently objects to any attempt to amend existing federal law and lift the ban on guns in post offices, as proposed by Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky. Sen. Paul’s amendment to the Senate postal reform bill would allow licensed gun owners to carry weapons inside post offices. Guns are currently banned in all American federal buildings, including post offices.
Sen. Paul is attempting to have the amendment included in a postal reform bill being debated by the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. Prior to the current ban on guns inside federal buildings, mass shootings at U.S. Post Offices were so frequent that the phrase “going postal” became a popular way to describe workplace violence in America.
“As mass shootings continue to trend upward in America, it is unthinkable that Sen. Paul would attempt to remove a ban on guns in a workplace where mass shootings have occurred,” said Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America. “Moms will not sit idly by while our lawmakers pick apart existing common sense gun laws. We will fight tooth-and-nail to help protect our families from senseless gun violence.”
“There is simply no reason why post offices should be exempt from the ban on guns in federal buildings, especially given the history of shootings inside post offices,” said Watts.
You’re right Sharon, there should be no ban on guns in ANY Federal buildings. See… Compromise.
I hate when she says crap like, “moms will not sit idly by!” I mean… one again… I don’t care that some 6 lb baby plopped out of your vagina. It does not give you credibility… at all….
Look at how they straight up lie. This is why gun control advocates are losing. Their argument IS NOT based on fact, but on lies and myths.
I’m a mom too (it was a 9 lb, 11 oz baby by c-section), and that fascist liar doesn’t speak for me. I’m angered that she presumes to speak for me.
The simple answer to the question posed is YES.
This is fantastic. There is so much stupidity and so little research on her part that it makes her look like a fool. I know that reflexive low-information blue team voters won’t change their minds on this issue, but those who dabble more in the center can see her and MAIG more and more for their true colors.
As a 27 year old, what’s a post office? Next you’ll be telling me that phones have to be connected by wires or some such nonsense.
I would claim that I avoid post offices but can’t, honestly, think of ever having to go to one since I’ve been old enough to carry.
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Any study of workplace violence will show that it was the media hype of post office shootings that generated the phrase, “going postal”, NOT the actual frequency of the shootings there. In fact, workplace shootings were more frequent in many other kinds of workplaces at the time.
See, Loren Christiansan’s book, “Surviving Workplace Violence”.
Once again, Shannon proves herself fact-immune.
Going armed makes me even more aware that as a Christian, I must live out the principles of the Sermon on the Mount at every moment of my public life. It makes me more forgiving, more judicious in my decisions and interactions and more responsible, not less.
as I pointed out last night: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/robert-farago/dana-loesch-view/#comments
“so if you read the press release MDA is putting out. . . . it says to contact BerlinRosen. BerlinRosen (apparently, fellow Tribe members with Robert who forgot certain not too recent historical facts about propaganda) is a professional hit job, I mean PR firm. So, it lookie like Shannon Watts is spending (Little) Daddy Bloomberg’s $$$, but . . . . what is this? The press release says if you have questions (I gots plenty), to contact Taylor Maxwell. She probably is not good to the last drop (although, hell, my dumb ass thinks Shannon Watts would be a freak in bed). No, Taylor is a JUNIOR ASSOCIATE!!!! She is at the bottom of their damn org chart. Riddle me this Batman. If you have a midget billionaire’s $$ and he is a sworn enemy of the 2nd Amendment, how the hell do you end up with the person who fetches coffee and extra cream as your new mouthpiece at your new “high powered” PR firm (these are the same people taking credit for getting MAIG’s newest criminal to be (fingers crossed), Bill deBlasio elected. . . .
hmmmm. . .. . maybe Shannon is on a tight budget because she didn’t produce for Daddy??”
I have the glock42. I thought it would be as good as my other glocks I own. This thing is junk and needs to be recalled. It jams and dose not eject half the time. I have so far put 300 aggravating rounds thru it. Jams and jams. I feel like I paid 500.00 to get a swift kick in the jewels. If glock dose not recall and fix or give me credit toward another full size glock I will not be a customer of glock again. Very dissatisfied right now. I hate junk. This glock might as well been made in China.
I kept a shotgun in my dorm room while at Florida. But that was way before anyone gave a shit.
Glock says that this g42 has a 5.5 lbs trigger pull.. total bs.. it is 9.1 lbs. I have tested it and others have tested it on youtube. Why lie about the trigger pull glock.
“Moms demand illegal guns for mayors” or even “moms demand illegal guns”. Fixed it for ya 😉
Honestly, I always liked “Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America (a wholly owned subsidiary of Mayors Against Illegal Guns)”. Truth in advertising…
The anti’s would rather assume that everyone is guilty until proven innocent and deny us all our rights, scumbags.
“Moms will not sit idly by while our lawmakers pick apart existing common sense gun laws.”
Going by the pictures at MDA rallies, yes, they will sit idly by because they don’t buy in to the idiocy of the gun ban agenda.
Holy crap, I own a mossberg 500. Thank allah for this article, I am now aware of how dangerous my shotgun is to myself and others.
Again, gun laws don’t prevent anything from happening. Words on paper will not stop a determined individual from evil acts. It is hard for the media to comprehend this simple fact.
All these compassionate journalists looking out for the rest of us….how about asking the question about the teen? Someone…SOMEONE had to know this kid was hurting, angry or disgruntled. Where was family, friends when this young adult needed them? Where was the community support? Was he on drugs, depressed? Exactly….
Someone knew this kid was pissed, angry, and maybe even knew he was capable of this. I place the blame on the murderer and anyone who knew ahead of time this was going to happen – not on the process by where he obtained the firearm. Uh…journalists…how many chances did this guy have to make a different choice other than to murder.
Outstanding! Thank you!
So, it’s basically a varmint round in a handgun caliber.
Since I have never “friended” an idiot, I have none to un-friend. And as I get older, my definition of “idiot” has become more inclusive, the the extent that my tolerance level for turdbrains is now zero.
Yeah, I’ve had people un-freind me because of my pro 2a stance. But I come from the county side so most of my friends have been around firearms.
Anyone who trashes me or my point-of-view in a disrespectful way on social media is no longer my friend. If you couldn’t walk up and tell me the same thing to my face, you shouldn’t be hiding behind the veil of a computer screen. There is a way to have an intelligent and respectful disagreement. As much as it is their right to be a complete jerk, it is mine to no longer associate with them. I have no shortage of friends, some new, that are awesome.
Other than SGammo, does anyone have a good online site for Federal HST?
I’ve turned not responding into an exercise in self discipline.
I’m successful. Mostly.
This is a great example of why the police cannot help you even if they were legally required to. The attack was over in the space of a commercial.
Here’s the next step in government healthcare. : Sir do you have any gun in your house? You do?! Sir the committee has determined that they are dangerous to your health and that your premiums need to be raised by 500% to cover the risk. Sir the committee does have a program, that if you turn in ALL you guns they will Give you a 10% discount. It’s up to you.
2nd step: Sir, you put on your forms that you don’t have any guns? But, the IRS, FEMA, and DHS have copies of your gun registration forms, so the committee will be doing a THOROUGH search of ALL of your property.
Wow. The only problem I have is the mis-timed metronome in the ending sequence. It triggered my OCD.
Although I can’t believe there wasn’t something more substantial than a cande holder behind the door.
I think that is a pretty poignant commercial, which may in fact jar loose some of those aforementioned fence sitters. I don’t think you can watch that without thinking about your loved ones and wondering “what if?” and thinking about your plan for such a situation. For me, the answer is clear-230 grain JHP.
No, but I have had the reverse done to me, and I have muted my brother’s feed (I no longer see it).
I always return fire so to speak (the situation with my brother was in the interests of domestic tranquility at Thanksgiving, etc).
Where are the Dan Wesson Revolvers?
Hell, where are your semi-autos, CZ? I rarely see one in a gun shop! Or at a gun show!
No, though I definitely will push back if a simple “I support the 2nd Ammendment” post is referred to as ‘tragically immature.” But my general policy is to let the other person defriend me if they must. I figure, if I can sit through their pro Peta posts and not comment on them the least they could do is refrain from commenting on my rare pro gun posts, and responding negatively to sentiments I am not mentioning in that post.
I leave the defriending to them, if they feel they must.
EDIT: I just checked and he did.
PC leftist city council hires quota baby and make her head cop. What could go wrong at the copshop with no adult in charge?
Bravo!!! This is my favorite page. God bless you and the staff.
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…Interesting.
Similar event happened to a family friend. It took him 6 months and untold lawyer fees to get his guns back.
I came to CA via the military in 1980 and without reservation CA is a awesome state. No other state has terrain variation or diversity of cultures and people. SF is NOT a micro of the state.
The group driving out business is the bureaucrats, non elected employees creating legislation, rules & regulations (HR, work rules, EPA laws). Combine that with state, county and local jurisdictions fees, business being tasked with building roads, its mind numbing. In the wings an army of lawyers shaking down businesses with fake sexual harassment, workman comp, handicap access, the list is endless.
Government is a business that continues to grow, reaching into every wallet & account, In its quest for equality, destroys the wealth of corporations, and victimizes the handful of people who have the courage to build factories, production facilities, and equipment.
People, its not about our guns or the right to carry. Collectively we must stop mindless regulations and start handing out pink slips to bureaucrats.