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Minnesota Senator Pulls AWB, Mag Limit Bills. For Now.

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“The outright banning of guns is a conversation that is more suited on the federal level.” So sayeth Minnesota Senator Ron Latz, as quoted by startribune.com. And with that, he pulled “assault weapon” and regular capacity magazine ban bills that were before the Judiciary Committee he chairs. The Senator seems to be in a can’t-we-all-get-along mood. “The assault weapons ban and high-capacity magazine ban proposals are highly divisive…I want to focus on what has broad public support.” And in Minnesota anyway, that still leaves a plethora of rights-impinging mischief . . .

Things like universal background checks, adding to the reasons a CCW permit can be denied, upping the penalties for CCW-related infractions and mandatory lost firearm reporting, Whether or not the decision to yank the two proposals off the table had to do with the House’s experience dealing with throngs of gun owners who showed up when they considered the measures is anyone’s guess. Watch this space.

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  1. I’m not sure that “murders are down but other crime is up” is compelling argument to antis. I suspect many of them would gladly trade one murdered for thousand beaten, robed or raped victims. (After all, dead peasants can’t work).
    Instead, I’d rather point that murder rate was already going down before passing Firearms Control Act of 2000 – in fact, it was dropping faster before the Act than after. In six years prior to the Act murder rate dropped 25.6%, while in six years following the Act it dropped only 18.7%.

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  2. My experience with these two cartridges definitely indicates firing 5.56mm ammo in certain .223-chambered rifles can cause problems. I’ve owned two different domestic-made break-open .223 rifles that would not extract or eject empty cases when fired with 5.56mm ammo, and fired cases showed unmistakable signs of high pressure (flattened/cratered primers, with some showing gas blow-back from around the primer cup — on crimped primers!). Older .223 bolt-action rifles displayed terrible accuracy, hard extraction, and occasional punctured primers (with high-pressure gas flowing into/through the action) when fired with 5.56mm ammo.

    I was lucky in my younger and less-enlightened days, and suffered no injuries or significant firearm damage; but, as I now understand the issue, I wouldn’t do today what I did back then. As a matter of fact, to avoid the issue, I try to only buy/use 5.56mm-chambered firearms, and stay away from .223-only guns unless there is a darned good reason to get one.

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  3. Why oh why hasn’t the NRA, GOA, etc. made a television ad out of this?! The Daily Show has demonstrated that comedy and satire is effective at influencing public opinion. But the dinosaurs of Gun Culture 1.0 haven’t figured this out yet.

    “Only Cops Should Have Guns” currently has only 7,404 views on YouTube. This needs a much wider audience. Yet I have not seen any type of ad campaign on TV and radio from our side.

    Self-Defense Tip: DABDA
    Posted on December 2, 2012 by Robert Farago
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    Most gun gurus’ have a simple, mostly effective answer to the standing still problem: dial-up your situational awareness before the incident goes critical. Have a plan ready-to-go. If you’re prepared to move before you have to move you’re far more likely to move when you have to.

    This theory rests on the bedrock of Col. John Boyd’s OODA loop: Observe, Orient, Decide, Act. That’s how we all process information. If your OODA loop is faster than the bad guy’s OODA loop you might be able to knock him for a loop, and live to tell the tale. The key to OODA loop speed is practice.

    The anti-gunners have been running cirlces iside our OODA loop for the last two months, while we’ve just flailed our arms around. We’ve Observed, but have yet to Orient, much less Decide and Act. Instead, we’re meeting the classic definition of “insanity”: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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  4. YIKES! I meant to say Savage also chambers for .17 “Hornet” Also to bryon,Boosting The .20 rimfire to 3000 fps. makes a lot of sence!!

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  5. Ives seen both local Prison guards at a local State Prison use Mini-14s and for training they use 5.56mm M-193 ball ammo. No problems with them like ive seen AR-15 users use .223 ammo as well. for semiauto both are fine but for bolt action or single shot be careful!!

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  6. ….according to the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) about 300+ children a year drown in their bathtubs EVERY YEAR. Please ban these assault bathtubs now!

    According to NHTSA

    “Kids getting backed over by cars is an all too common cause of injuries and death for younger children. In fact, about 1 child a week* dies in the United States when they are accidentally backed over by the family car or SUV, often in their own driveway.”

    Ban all assault SUV’s now!

    Too me, many of the cases stated in blog post and the ones I mention above are all from negligence, carelessness, lack of education or just plain stupid.

    You will not be able to save every life because you cannot fix stupid. Firearms are the fashion of the day to blame, but banning guns will not stop stupid from happening! In fact, none of the proposals will solve the problems this doctor is trying to solve. Even NHTSA, whom I mention above, said that adding backup camera’s on every SUV will save “zero” lives but will add costs but….guess what is happening in 2014 anyway?

    Feel good laws do nothing! Wasted energy and limited resources wasted on the wrong solutions!

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  7. Would an inadequate education system be a defense to the charge of putting too many rounds in a magazine? The State didn’t properly teach me to count. Could this 7 round law be racist?

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  8. My feeling is that we are going to lose some this year no matter what. The background checks seem like a done deal, and the Senate seems to be softening on the magazine limits too. Maybe the thing to do is to get some pro-gun Congressmen add some pro-gun provisions to whatever bill emerges in the House. Like national carry.

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  9. I actually had a conversation with some friends about a year ago not long after someone had mentioned possible new gun control. I had said that if someone really wanted to create enough backlash to ban guns and it meant enough to them that they would martyr themselves, they would need to shoot up an elementary school or a day care. I would really hate to think that I was right, but we see where it’s going.

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  10. A brilliant solution. Fore and aft pistol grips that dispense seasonings. What’s not to love? Other people worry about their tactical add ons running out of batterries, no worrys there. Salt and pepper are cheaper than ever readies. And did not have to use wanker rails either. This guy ought to be a custom gun smith. Just saying.

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  11. If true, anti-gunners are playing right into the hands of a madman — though I doubt they’d care.

    Hell, if gun grabbers knew what he was going to do beforehand they wouldn’t stop him. They would condone his actions. We are dealing with some disgusting people, do not put it past them to celebrate the death of anyone even children if it means furthering their agenda. Just look at how they praised Dorner.

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  12. CTD did NOT see the “error” of their ways.. They have lost basically all respect in the customer base they rely on because they immediately engaged in shameless price gouging.

    While its true that any commodity or good will rise and fall in value for various reasons, its not explainable (“oops – we made a mistake!”) when you are taking a generic G.I. AR-15 mag (value – 10-12 bucks) and attempting to sell it for 100 bucks because of a hysteria you hope to capitalize on.
    Although It may sound hypocritical, I do not see this sort of markup as a issue for a private party selling to another private party.. because this is not a “store” that needs to maintain a customer base for repeat business, and its a person selling their own private property to others that they have stored and cared for over years.

    If some private person wants to try to sell their $350 Romanian WASR for 1200 bucks, and the private buyer wants to pay that, its a one time deal, and both the seller and buyer got what they desired out of it.
    IF YOU ARE RUNNING A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THIS WAY, however, the buying/speculation frenzy is going to come to a end pretty quickly, and when it does you as a gouging business are going to be persona-non-grata among your niche customer base when it all comes to a end, which is what happened to CTD.

    I will NEVER buy from these guys, under any circumstances in the future. I am a private party, not a store, and I sold my own military surplus FAL mags for 25 bucks each during this buying panic, which was about what they were going for BEFORE the panic, and they were all snatched up very quickly…

    I did not need to keep a repeat customer base happy with me, and still did not attempt to gouge the desperate and irrational.. CTD DID GOUGE.. which is why they have a angry customer base that does not want (or need) to give them anymore business…

    CTD will eventually win back buyers (if it stays in business) but they way its going to have to do that is not with cheesy apologies, but with really steep discounting that makes it too attractive NOT to buy from them… In effect, they are going to have to give back the money they gouged during the panic to buyers in the form of deep discounting in order to regain any customer base.

    The customer base for firearms related stuff is a ‘niche’.. its not like Walmart style wares that almost everyone in the general population wants to go out and buy. Thus, businesses who want to sell to the customer base need one of two things-
    1) Good Will / Good Reputation
    and/or
    2) Deep Discounting that is too good to pass up.

    CTD has completely alienated its customer base and has no good will, and its only option is going to be option #2, which is going to cost it all or more than it made in the recent Gouging.. and they could have avoided that if they had not gotten greedy and turned against their own customers.

    If CTD shuts down, its not a loss. There are a lot of other and better companies doing the same thing, with the same products, who did not attempt to scr@w their customer base, and no tear will be shed for the passing of CTD.

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  13. Firing warning shots into the air is a quick way to end up in jail Biden. You fucking idiot. You don’t just walk outside and start shooting guns up in the air. How does someone this stupid end up as vice president? Our country’s fucked 

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  14. We the people allow these Politicians to fill the Political offices, but The Constitution is the Law, and we DO NOT Grant them Power Over US… These Laws are Unconstitutional, and are to Not be Obeyed. The Citizens of Colorado should Go Up to the Office of these People, and Remove them. Show them the Door.. The People are the Boss, not some Liberal Politician. Now, if the people Voted for that law, that’s different, but if a Politician just signed a piece of paper for his own purpose, then it is Treason… Throw them Out.. A few thousand Citizens ought to be enough.. They cannot just abolish the Constitution (2nd Amendment), by the stroke of a Pen. Come on People.. WAKE UP!!!

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  15. Oregon introduced new bill to limit law abiding civilians to one fire arm, three “large capacity magazines and warrantless house searches!!! Along with the usual ban of 10 round magazines and one feature, of course.. They are tricking us Oregonian gun owners by proposing HB3006 which outlaws all federal firearm laws that conflict with the second amendment but they introduce this state bill to attack us instead!! This is the most invasive bill introduced in the country!!! Please spread the word!

    http://www.oregonfirearms.org/massive-gun-ban-introduced

    http://www.leg.state.or.us/13reg/measpdf/hb3200.dir/hb3200.intro.pdf

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