By Jim Higginbotham
This article originally appears in The Weaponcraft Journal and is reprinted here with permission. The Weaponcraft Journal is available by subscription here.
Did you ever have a project that took decades to complete? Many years ago it struck me that just about all the calculations and experiments that the experts applied to the measurement of recoil of handguns seemed to end up with results that did not reflect what I was seeing in the firing of thousands of rounds each month through those handguns. One day back in the 1980s I picked up a small laser pretty cheap and decided to experiment with lasers as a sighting implement. Even though that experiment was inconclusive at the time, one of the side trails I explored was to compare recoil of different calibers on the same platform . . .
By filming the rise of the laser on a target, which had a grid with one inch spacing, we discovered several surprises. The first is that the human eye does not really see a small dot that travels fast—it perceives that movement. On the range we thought the dot rose just a short way (I thought it rose much higher than my son did which also illustrates that different people have different perceptions of the same movement) but when we played the film back at 1/10th speed it was evident that the dot rose much further than either of us thought it did. In fact it went off the target and we had to build a new one and get closer to find out how far it rose.
This might give some pause to folks who think that they can follow a front sight or the reticle of an optic of some sort in recoil. They are really only perceiving the movement and if they could actually follow that object to its peak travel their eye would be bouncing up and down like a ping pong ball! Actually, it is of small import as the “follow through”, even if it is only perceptive, still ends with the front sight landing back on the target before the next trigger press.
Fast forward to today and we are finally ready to explore this topic. However, I want to point out a few things first. Most important is that this is not exactly science. We will discuss the science associated with recoil briefly but the bottom line is that it does not give us the answers to the practical question of which firearms have recoil characteristics and, more importantly, how do we go about mitigating the effects of recoil in order to be able to deliver effective fire in a self-defense situation?
Before we embark on an exploration of how to manage recoil, which we will address in future editions of this journal, we need to figure out a practical method of measuring recoil. To the neophyte, this would seem to be simple. Well, it turns out it really isn’t that simple.
The time-honored method is to apply long established formula for estimating “free recoil”. This is accomplished by calculating the velocity of the firearm as it reacts from the launching of a projectile from the muzzle. As everyone knows, Newton’s Third Law of Motion is in effect here; “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”.
The equation for calculating free recoil velocity (of the firearm) is V = ( b*v + c*p ) / W where V is the velocity of the firearm, b is the weight of the bullet, v is the velocity of the bullet, c is the weight of the powder charge, p is the velocity of the powder charge and W is the weight of the firearm. Most people then calculate the Free Recoil Energy based on the standard kinetic energy of the firearm moving at the velocity calculated.
Rather than walk you through using the formula, since we will demonstrate that it is of little practical value, it may be easier to just use one of the online calculators that are available. While most of these are geared toward rifles—the same formula applies to pistols but there are simply more variables involved with handguns that are difficult to place a mathematical value on. One good site for many types of calculators is on a site known as “The Soapbox” which has many different tools and references of interest to the serious shooter. The link to the recoil calculator (as well as an excellent discussion on recoil) is http://kwk.us/recoil.html. Another can be found on the on the excellent Beartooth Bullets site which has several calculators of interest to those who study all forms of ballistics. The recoil calculator is one of several on this page: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/index.htm.
For the purposes of our discussion I have included a table on just how some of the firearms and loads we used in our recent experiment should show up according to scientific theory. It will become obvious later that there is a huge disconnect between what is predicted mathematically and what actually happens in the real world.
In the calculation I plugged in the loaded weight of the guns, since few people carry empty handguns for self-defense.
As you can see from the table, a .45 Caliber 1911, firing normal pressure 230 grain loads should recoil 31% more than a Glock 17, firing normal pressure 9mm 124 grain loads.
Also, using the standard calculation, a 2″ Airweight .38 firing 158 grain +P ammunition should recoil twice as much as a Ruger LCP .380 firing standard 95 grain ammunition; that same Airweight should recoil 20% more than a 1911 .45.
We found none of those assumptions to be true.
Why is the topic even important? Well, people, especially people who do not shoot a lot, choose handguns based on their perception of several characteristics, such as its size and weight (concealability), its power, how it feels in their hand, safety features, ammunition capacity and their perception of recoil.
Here at AIM we don’t tell folks what handgun, on which their survival will depend, to choose. We do like for people to make an informed decision however. One of the critical topics missing from the above list is reliability. I left it out because I am passing on what we see people ask about or come in with assumptions of their own. They often assume that because a manufacturer will make a product that it will actually work. Well, sometimes they do work and sometimes they don’t—but that is a topic for another day. Here, we are focusing on recoil and its management.
Often a husband will come in to help his wife pick out a self-defense handgun. Or a lady may ask the clerk at a gun store, assuming that he knows a lot about firearms since he works in a gun store. I can tell you from long experience in gun stores that this may or it may not be the case. Quite often in either instance the advice the female who wishes to start carrying will get is to pick a small .380 on the assumption she will carry it in her purse and that she will not want something with a lot of blast, flash and recoil.
The trouble with that is that not only are .380s loud, due to the extremely short barrel, but they actually kick more than most medium sized .45s or even the J-frame .38 Special (depending on the load) and, even more important, they quite often are not reliable in the hands of someone who does not possess more than the normal amount of grip strength or long experience in shooting.
One of our detectives, now retired, wanted to carry a .380 as a backup gun (BUG), made by a world famous maker, which had been issued to him in his former job. Since I run the qualifications and training for our agency I make folks qualify on our regular course with every gun they carry. He was shocked to find that his pistol had 20% stoppages during the course, with ball ammo! He decided that in his case, a J-frame .38 would be a better BUG.
So, back to our topic of recoil; just how does one go about measuring recoil if the standard science does not apply? Well, I’m glad you asked. Mind you, this is not a lecture. It is a discussion. I’ve heard a lot of good ideas and over the decades and I have tried a few of them.
First let us look at the components of recoil. The first is the amount of “shove” to put it in layman’s terms. Remember Newton’s Third Law of Motion. It is indeed still in effect. The more power that comes from the barrel, the more shove that will be applied in the opposite direction. However, the platform has a lot to do with how that “equal and opposite” reaction manifests itself.
Another factor in that “shove” is the time that it takes. This of course is an event that takes place in milliseconds and would be very difficult to measure without high-speed cameras. Most experienced shooters, especially riflemen, tacitly recognize this and often describe the trait as “sharpness”. It is generally recognized that some rifles generate “free recoil”, as calculated above, that actually feels worse than it should. An example is that a .458 Winchester Magnum should kick twice as much as a .338 Winchester magnum in the same weight rifles. Yet everyone that I know that owns both tends to think that they are either too close to call or some even think the .338 has more “kick.” I suspect the paradox can be explained by the fact that the recoil of the .338 is “sharper”, not actually more.
The characteristic however that we are most interested in is muzzle rise. It stands to reason that the higher the muzzle climbs the more difficult it will be to get the sights back on the target for follow up shots. Here too there is more than one thing to consider. The first is how high the muzzle climbs and the second is how fast it climbs. In later articles we will consider how fast we can bring the muzzle back down by applying recoil techniques, but for now let us concentrate on how we can come up with a scale that we can use to assign a value to the amount of muzzle climb.
One is to place the pistol in a machine rest that pivots. The old Ransom Rest was always expensive but it probably was the best way to hold a handgun steady and remove the trigger control issues. It held the gun in a set of firm rubber inserts and there was a pivot point down below the grip frame to allow the pistol to rise in recoil to allow all the energy to be transferred without damage to the gun or the rest. Several authors during the 1960s and 70s tried to get across the comparison of recoil by measuring how high the muzzle rose with the handgun secured in the rest. That does not seem like a bad idea but it overlooks two important factors: first, the pivot point is far below the line of the bore, and second, the human hand does not possess the grip and firmness of the inserts in which the machine rest holds the firearm—one of the reasons the machine rest is good at testing mechanical accuracy but not practical accuracy. As an aside, the other reason is that the rest holds the grip frame and so an autoloader may or may not shoot better in the machine rest. I know several people who shoot autoloaders, at least some autoloaders, better than the machine rest will.
The method we chose to use to explore the topic of recoil was to use the pistol as it would be used, held in the human hand. This first experiment is actually the hardest in that we wanted to measure the “raw recoil” without any attempt to fight or control it. In this case we decided to use one shooter so that the human variable would be as consistent as possible. Even though we used an experienced shooter with the directions to hold the handguns in a loose grip and not lean into the gun, it is hard to keep a good man down and occasionally he would say he thought he gripped the gun too firmly and we would scrap that run. At first he canted the gun a little bit and that caused a problem, but only a slight one, which we will correct in future experiments.
We do not claim our method is scientific or extremely precise. We do feel however it is a practical representation and worthy of consideration when trying to understand how to control a handgun, or as in this article, to compare one handgun to another in regards to recoil.
If you are interested in the details, we set up a target that was five feet high (the pistol was aimed at the bottom of the target) with horizontal bars every six inches so that we could track the dot when we played the film back. We filmed not only the laser dot on the target but the shooters arm and the handgun from the side and we attempted to coordinate the playback, with some success we think.
I made a mistake concerning the target. I chose to go with buff colored cardboard because I feared that white would cause a lot of glare in the film. This was a bad choice. Brown has red as one of its color components and it “absorbs” the laser, making it harder to see. Next time we will use a plastic white target that will reflect the laser better.
Another problem is that, due to the decision to start by shooting with one hand with a loose firing grip, is that a five foot target was not tall enough. Several handguns had so much recoil that the dot went right off the top and our only gauge of how high was that we had a shade canopy and sometimes the dot would be seen to travel up the canvas. I would estimate some of them would have needed a target that was 9-10 feet high! Considering we were shooting at a distance of three yards that is pretty significant. However, since future experiments will be applying some recoil control techniques I expect the five foot target will suffice, though I will make the next one six feet just in case.
One of our checks was to put a box at the bottom of the target and assume that if the bullet did not strike the box that something was amiss and we would strike that shot from the record. As it turned out our shooter was most excellent and the only rounds outside the box were from one in which the laser did not fit the gun well and the bullets hit well above the laser (but in a predictable and consistent manner).
We used a postal scale to weigh the pistols fully loaded and then adjusted them based on the weight of the laser—we used different lasers based on the pistol design but all were pretty light.
We experienced a few problems with a couple of the revolvers since our laser was not overly rigid in its mount. We finally did get a measurement with the use of some gaffer’s tape to keep the laser from flying off in recoil or pivoting on its adjustable mount. Fortunately we had a Crimson Trace grip-type laser for the J-frames so we got what we consider very reliable measurements from those (which included a S&W model 640 .357 magnum).
Another glitch occurred with the Ruger LCP .380. It does not have a rail and therefore we had to use the adjustable mount. We were unable to completely secure the laser since we obviously could not run tape around the slide so the figure for the .380 is does not represent the full travel as the laser pivoted down slightly. I made no effort to estimate how much this affected the result but I think it was significant. Bottom line, the .380 recoiled somewhat more than it appears in our charts below.
Interestingly enough, even though a loose grip often contributes to stoppages in autoloaders, the only malfunction of any kind was with a revolver! It was a true “jam” (something that is fairly rare). The stoppage was with a Lapua manufactured, full-powered .357 magnum cartridge. This load pushes the 158 grain JSP bullet at more than 1300 feet per second and in this particular revolver caused the primer to flow back into the firing pin hole, completely locking the gun up. You could not pull the trigger, cock the gun or open the cylinder. The technical term for this, if it happened in a gun fight, is “You gonna die!” That is unless you have a backup gun. Two is one and one is none!
Fortunately we had some Federal JSP ammo on hand that wasn’t quite as hot and worked well in all the revolvers. I should point out that the particular S&W Model 19 we used is one I carried for police work in the mid to late 1970s and that it always was a “fast” gun, which means the cylinder throats and the bore are tight. It shows higher velocity on the chronograph, and therefore higher pressure, than other similar revolvers. It does in fact produce velocity that is higher than any of my 6″ .357 magnums. So do not assume that this particular lot of Lapua ammo is faulty, but it does illustrate how important it is to test your gun with the ammunition you choose to carry.
OK with that out of the way, let us proceed to look at the figures we came by. We won’t include videos of all of the shots but just a couple that might surprise folks and make no mistake, the results surprised those in attendance.
Below is a chart of the rise of the red dot on our target. Note that the target was only 60 inches tall so those that reach 60 on the chart actually went over. Alas we really don’t know any precise way to estimate how far. And, once again, I would admonish you to not read too much precision into this graph or the associated figures. The purpose is to get a sense of how one gun compares to another while being held in the hand, with no particular effort to control the recoil. Things may change significantly as we apply various recoil control techniques.
We included the chart for those really interested in the numbers, to include the fully loaded weight in ounces, the actual velocity of the loads we used (chronographed later—a couple of the guns were not available later and were checked in barrel lengths of the guns used in the test so they are not perfect but they are very close).
Just as a test I included a calculation of the Power Factor (IPSC) to Weight Ratio. Power Factor is related to momentum and if you are really into math you will see that the “Free Recoil” calculators have as a major component the momentum of the load under test. Just as in the calculation we performed at the outset, the “power to weight” ratio did not seem to reflect what actually happens when firing a handgun but it was worth looking at. As Thomas Edison wrote, “There are no failed experiments, sometimes you just learn what does not work.” I would however point out that it does come closer than the calculators and seems to make some sense at least.
It may come as a shock to many that the least amount of muzzle rise came from a 100 year old design and from arguably the most powerful pistol in the test (it depends on how you measure “power” which is a controversial topic we will address elsewhere). Well, that may be true but it was one of our early tests that we should have revisited as the pistol was held at a cant and the dot went off the edge of the chart. However we did try to compensate by adding a few inches—the dot was slowing down as it got to the edge of the target and it reappeared very quickly so we think it only went a couple of inches further. Still, truth in advertising requires us to note that the figure is even less precise than some of the others.
What does stand out from this test, however, is that there are no “easy” guns, at least not that we tested. There may indeed be some out there but they sure were not found to be large service-size polymer 9mms and they certainly were not the .40s or the .357 Magnums, and alas, not even the little .380.
Once again, our goal is not to tell you what to choose. Rather out goal is to inform and allow you to make a decision based on practical reality rather than pure speculation. Take from this what you will and we hope you will visit us again when we move on to testing the various techniques of controlling recoil.
This article originally appears in The Weaponcraft Journal and is reprinted here with permission.
Seth Green!
I always think of the J-22 when people say that “guns don’t just go off”. Maybe not any more they don’t!
Belinda should stick with fashionista events at swanky liberal infested LA soirees, and quit trying to make guns just another chic accessory. The only reason they let her in the door is because she is pushing her “product” as a panacea for “gun violence.”
By Ohio law, males in this state have no choice. By law, you ARE in the militia. Subject to age limits of course. I for one, would not respond to a government (state, fed) call to arms. I WILL stand with my fellow citizens’ call to fight for our freedoms.
Yeah, if you could not give away guns known for being unreliable and breaking, that would be greaaaaaat.
PS: you’re going to alienate a lot of viewers doing this, TTAG. Perhaps it’s something that should be toned down? Are you hurting that much for funds that you have to advertise this way?
“The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
V.I. Lenin
“Gun manufacturers and sellers are Capitalists.”
Ralph
“What the law is actually saying is this country doesn’t value the life of black and brown kids. We want our kids to understand their lives are equal value of anybody else life,” the elder Martin said.
Was he talking about abortion just now??? Oh, wait, this article is about SYG. Move along, nothing to see here.
While I thought the P22 contest definitely did drag on far too long, this one’s only 4 days. Correct me if I’m mistaken. As some have said, their patience is at an end, and others have said to get over the butthurt. To each their own. There’s a fine balance between promotion and overpromotion, and mileage can and does vary. For what it was worth, I had no problem entering on the first (and only) attempt. Besides, I’m quietly saving up for an FNX-45 in flat dark earth to match. Among other things.
Tom
My commandments for all transfers: face to face only, in state only – whether it’s a private or FFL transaction. If I can’t get it locally, I’ll wait. For private transfers it’s cash only, and if it’s a gun I’m selling and it has ANY potential for misuse (I.e. handguns) I ask for a Missouri CCW. I’ve bought and sold a number of guns through Armslist, with no problems whatsoever. All it takes is a bit of patience.
“To help you avoid this scam, licensees are reminded that only transactions between licensees require the furnishing of a certified copy of the license.”
I like how the ATF reminds us to sidestep any additional paper trail. no unnecessary record keeping. Got it.
The guy to the left in the picture looks pissed. He probably wanted to buy an AR and now his wife drags his sorry ass to these events and forbids him from even glancing at a gun.
The offer is less than 5x current earnings…Ruger trades at 11X, S&W at 9x. Not sure why Cerberus would sell out for so little.
The problem with carrying in that bowling alley has nothing to do with open or concealed. It serves alcohol. It is illegal to carry at all in the building. It’s a state law. Just as it would be in a bar, bank, or school. Montana has the most permissive laws in the nation.
My question is around the relationship of bullet weight and felt recoil. I know most people will tell you that as you go to heavier bullets you get more recoil, but as a ammo reloader, I understand that as the bullet weight increases you need to lower the powder charge, so as to not exceed the upper pressure limit of the SAMMI spec. Therefore as you increase the bullet weight you drop the powder charge and subsequently the bullet velocity decreases. My question is what would be the effect on felt recoil be if you shot say a 110gn 38 special vs’ 150gn 38 special through he same revolver and adjusted the powder charge to give the same overall pressure?
Bumped into this discussion while researching felt recoil on Google.
I am so happy to find thoughtful, data driven, mathematical/physics based explanations, as well as some of the counterpoints and alternative views. Not rocket science – but Freshman physics, albeit half a century ago (Still got all my teeth and half my mind – or was it vice-versa…)
What a refreshing change from prevalent BS out there; not to devalue practical experience, but to compliment/validate it with the physics behind it.
Thank you gentlemen,you’ve gained a new appreciative follower.
This is a joke, right? They secured their instruments with tape? It would not pass as a junior high school science project, let alone as a freshman English composition.
These articles attempting to correlate physics with feel are great exercises. It’s one of the ways we learn – by looking at the theory and calculations and rubbing our chin when something seems wrong.
I noticed inyour table that for a given caliber, the muzzle rise seems to be higher for a shorter barrel length – that makes sense, because the recoil force is required to lift a longer, heavier barrel, which should mean less movement.
The .45 recoil as measured might be as low as it is because of the redistribution of some of the recoil energy into linear slide movement. That slide is taking some of the force and translating it into a moment going straight back, which delays the timing of the delivery of the recoil force until the slide comes to rest in the rearmost position. Grip angle and grip length could also have an effect.
I have two .44 magnums – an 8 3/8″ barrel model 29 and a Ruger Super Blackhawk. The model 29 is Mag-Na-Ported. The muzzle rise, and the perceived recoil, are moderate. The muzzle rise of the Blackhawk is 90 degrees. But the grip of the Blackhawk allows the gun to rotate upward in your hand, whereas the Smith’s grip is stopped by the web between thumb and forefinger. I find both pleasant to shoot, but for different reasons. And I find that my arm pivots at the elbow, rather than at the wrist, with both of them.
I also have a Walther PPK/S in .380. I find it, oddly enough, not as pleasant to shoot – very counterintuitive. My 1911s show very little muzzle rise, but my grip and wrist position when firing is very different from that used with, say, the Smith.
Finally, the most comfortable gun I have is, of all things, an old aluminum framed .22 made by a company called Whitney – a Wolverine model. It has a very angled grip, and is very natural pointing – almost no muzzle rise whatsoever compared to, for example, my Ruger Standard. The wrist mechanics, I believe, play an enormous role in perceived recoil and controllability. Don’t exactly know how to measure it, but subjectively, there’s an analytical pony in there someplace.
Thanks for the thought-provoking article.
While I’m in the research stages of handgun selection and pretty much a novice I have a question. Doesn’t barrel length play a part in recoil? I would think using the same barrel length would give a more accurate picture.