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I’m reviewing a Beretta PX4 in .40 caliber. I agree with Mr. Yeager: too much recoil. If you don’t need to deal with it, why bother? Less is more (9mm) and more is more (.45). Someday I’ll tell you about the guy who invented the .40 and show you the very first .40 semi ever invented. Meanwhile, meh.

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  1. In my humble opinion shot placement is the most important with a handgun. Caliber is secondary to shot placement. Also reliability, can’t neglect that either.

    I shoot the 9 because I can get twice the practice as with a 45.

        • the 9 is better than 45 because a box of target loads of 9 can be had for $12 where i live, however the 45 will cost you $16 or $18 depending on the store. therefore i practice twice as much with m 9 as i would with a 45. and i think a 147 gr 9 can get the job done just fine.

      • .45 doesn’t send twice the payload, not really even 1/3 more payload. All mainstream pistol rounds are anemic compared to rifle or shotgun rounds, that’s a fact. .45 isn’t a death ray, it’s only marginally more powerful than a .9mm.

        • Any chance you’d sell your .9mm? I find myself reading about them in the media from time to time but I can’t manage to find anyone who actually owns or sells them. 😉

        • I would beg to differ. While a .45 isn’t a death ray, gel studies have shown that while a 9mm will penetrate virtually as far as a .45, the .45 will make a much larger channel. Larger channels equate to more tissue damage. I have a 9mm (small 9mm S&W Shield), but its my BUG. My primary concealed handgun, in fact, all my other semi’s are .45s. I have 2, .45 cal. Glocks and 2, .45 cal 1911’s (a Colt and a Kimber). I also two revolvers (a Ruger SP101, .357 mag. and a Taurus Judge, .45 LC and .410 shells). My point is, I shoot the largest rounds I can control (I’m a woman). Also, everyone knows you use your pistol fight your way to your rifle, so I have two AR-15’s (Daniel Defense 5.56) and a 12 gauge shotgun. Fortunately, I can afford to shoot as much as I want, plus I always buy in bulk, so I’m able to practice as much as I want. BTW, before anyone asks, I make my own money and buy my own ammo! My point is, several people here have talked about price. I wonder…if .45 ammo was no more expensive than 9mm, would ANYONE shoot 9mm? I have a feeling that the sale of .45 cal handguns would go through the roof!!!!!

        • Energy is just fine on the way to the target, but once inside tissue it’s momentum that matters. That’s M*V, rather than 1/2M*V^2. Mass matters a whole lot more there. So 230 grains of bonded lead has a greater tendency to bulldoze through the edge of bones, rather than be deflected to a new path, than 147 grains does. And the cheapest 9mm are 115 grains, which is exactly half of the heavier .45s – which is where I think APBTFan is getting the (valid) “twice the payload” comment.

        • that is still a “moving the goalpost” argument. When you compare defensive 9mm and defensive 45 APC, as well as target ammunition, they are not measurably better than the eachother.

  2. Then why is 40s&w so popular with LEO’s? If itdidnt work leo’s wouldnt use it. Its a compromise round like 556 NATO. More capacity than a 45, better ballistic performance than 9mm. You lose a little terminal effect and on average 2-4 rounds of mag capacity. I am no fanboy of 40; I dont like how flippy it is but to say it “sucks” is just dumb.

    • The predominant .38 S&W worked, and the .357’s worked. But LEO’s thought they were “out gunned” because they were using revolvers rather than spray-n-pray semi-autos.

      Law enforcement and government employees like to think that they’re supposed to be better equipped than the riff-raff, and when the riff-raff was packing wonder-9’s, that meant they needed something Bigger and supposedly Better. Well, that would have been the .45 ACP, but none of the wonder-9 plastic gun outfits were making a .45 ACP just yet, so enter the .40 S&W on a scaled-up plastic gun.

      • DG,

        You’ve explained and articulated well something that I was suspecting about the ego need of the American Samurai LE & USG employee class to have superior weapons than the peasant sheeple class.

        I’ll stick with my Ruger SP101 and LCR chambered for .357 kept loaded with .38 +P and .38 Special.

    • You need to listen to the whole video and Yeager lays that out. The three elements in any gun fight to stop the bad guy is placement, penetration, and expansion in that order. Look at all the latest studies and you will find that 9mm will penetrate as much as needed, the difference in expansion is negligible, and with less recoil, most people will be back on target quicker and can put more rounds on target. More holes = more expansion. And 9mm is a LOT cheaper to shoot and practice with.

      • You forgot the most important one. Repetition. Any given torso strike is a wild card whether or not it incapacitates. Hit em, hit em with something big enough to do the job, and they’re dead. But whether or not they stop fighting right that second is just random chance. Which is why you want to stack the odds in your favor by never relying on one roll of the dice. Cole Younger survived eleven gunshot wounds taken in one gun battle. To be extra sure, I recommend exceeding this number.

      • I am a much more accurate shooter with my 45 than with my plastic compact 9. I am about the same with my wife’s M-9 except for the first DA round. I am going to miss with that one. The M1911 recoil is overstated. While it is heavy it is more of push than a snap. I can empty a mag inside a half dollar at self defense ranges.

        • Oddly enough, I find I have a much worse flinch with the slow, heavy “push” calibers. I can shoot 9mm or .40 or .357 or .30-06 very accurately and hardly twitch at all. Give me a .45 or a 12-ga, and I can’t hit a thing (exaggeration, but still. . . ).

    • LEOs have different applications to use a handgun round in. If you see yourself routinely needing to put a bullet through a wall, car door, or angled windshield and *then* incapacitate someone, the extra energy of a .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, or .40 S&W makes some sense.

      Also, LEOs are people too and just as susceptible to trends as anyone else. The .40 S&W is what the FBI use; you want to be like the Navy SEAL-er, I mean FBI, don’t you?

      For personal self-defense carry, stick with 9mm and .45 ACP

      • I like .40 S&W over 9mm because I get almost the same capacity and much heavier bullets (180 grain). As Human Being mentioned above, law enforcement officers are more likely to have to incapacitate a criminal through an angled windshield. Well shooting a 9mm 115 grain bullet into an angled windshield or through a car door isn’t going to be anywhere near as successful as shooting a .40 caliber 180 grain bullet. Of course a .45 caliber 225 grain bullet will do even better but you lose a substantial amount of magazine capacity.

        To be sure some people will argue that an armed citizen will almost never need to shoot at a criminal through a barrier such as a windshield. Times are changing and I hope Mr. Farago posts a current situation that illustrates just why I carry 180 grain bullets and lots of them.

      • The 357/40/hot45 can give you a stretch (temporary) cavity to incapacitate the BG because the nerve plexus is stretched by the pressure wave which creates temporary imcapacitation (like a sharp blow from a baton or a fist to the solar plexus). Ever wonder why the 357 is such a wicked man stopper? Now ya know….tell your friends. 75% of the cops, the FBI, everybody gets it. Fifteen to seventeen rounds of large bullet goodness in a gun the same size as the ‘girly 9’ with the option to go from 9mm power to pushing 357 and 135 grain weight slugs to 200. If the dude is worried about gun wear then why do people use +p+ rounds? ALL HAIL THE 40, the true killer of the 9/45 debate.

    • its popular because many in law enforcement still delve into the “bigger is better” pistol caliber bull. The truth is that 40 does suck compared to 9mm and 45. Since the difference between pistol calibers are negligible, I have always preferred the reliable and high cap 9mm.

        • I did and all that i see is hubris.

          comparing a 357 to a modern combat handgun cartridge is really apples to pears.

          using +P and +P+ 9mm is not a issue anyways with a quality handgun. The same cartridges are produced for 357 magnum and 45 ACP for a reason (and people have a propensity to get bent out of shape over them).

          “fast” cartridges like the 40 have a compelling case for barrier penetration (as does the 357 SIG), as in they are somewhat better than 9mm and 45. Again, if you find yourself in a gunfight trying to penetrate barriers, it would have been sensible to grab a long gun 5 minutes ago.

          Also, 40, just like every other cartridge, is not immune to the laws to the law of advantages vs disadvantages. With developments in 9mm and 45, i cannot justify any reason for owning one.

        • If you believe that there is no difference in effectiveness between the 9 and the 45 than I can see why you think the same would hold true with the 40 compared to the 9. A bigger cross sectional diametered bullet that can have more mass that is going at a higher velocity (if you so desire) really is much better. Showing the diff between a handgun and a rifle is a rather ragged strawman tactic. The 9 is mainly a range gun while the 40 is mainly a defensive gun that you shoot with adrenaline coursing through your veins. Both calibers work for both defense and range, of course, but they shine in their primary niches. Nines make great micro defense guns, by the way.

    • Exactly JSIII.
      I have fired 9mm, .40, and .45.
      When I chose my caliber of choice, it was power AND control. I shoot the .40 and I chose that because I don’t have much issue with the recoil. I am a large man, I have been lifting weights since I was 12. Having said that, I found the .45 was a bit too much recoil for my tastes, control wise.

      Maybe there are a few people who weigh 140 lbs, trying to quick fire a .45 and not doing too well at it, but for me, the .40’s recoil is not something I think about too much. I do notice that for me, the 9mm has much less recoil.

      It is my opinion that everyone shoot the caliber they can handle. It sounds to me like Mr. Yeager is declaring that a lot of shooters select a larger caliber than they can handle, but to put the blame on the caliber itself is wrong. Personally, if I was even stronger and could quickly bring a .45 caliber back to target fast, then I would carry that. If I could do it with a .50 Magnum, then I would carry that. But for me, the .40 is perfect.

      Maybe Mr. Yeager’s assertion that men who carry .40s are compensating for a small penis is true in some cases. But I have found that men who assert such things are more often than not the same guys who declare that ‘size doesn’t matter,’ and of course it is always the guys with a little penis, who make such statements. Mr. Yeager should keep his preference for little guns to himself, rather than openly admitting his jealousy of men who carry a larger ‘pistol.’

    • Because .40 was adopted by the FBI, and for ease, a lot of PD’s followed suit. But now, with the developments of 9mm defensive loads and better ballistics, there is really no difference. Look how a lot of departments are now ditching their .40SW for 9mm, because of a higher round count in the mags, and the benefit of new defensive loads.

  3. 357sig doesn’t have any more recoil then 9mm P+ or 45 ACP so how can it be harder to control than 9mm or 45 when the recoils the same? And as was stated above shot placement is key and my 357sig guns are very accurate.

    • I’ll bet you money you don’t shoot your .357 Sig as much as I shoot my 9mm… Unless you’re independently wealthy. The more you shoot, the better you will be. The nine will get the job done but is affordable to shoot. That’s why it’s so popular.

      • I don’t know how often you shoot but I only spend 32cents a round for 357 sig target ammo (8 cents a round more than 9mm) and I supplement this with my 22 pistol which at 5cents a round gives me a lot of range time on the cheap. Nothing wrong with 9mm, I prefer it in pocket sized pistols, I just prefer 357sig when I can carry a mid sized or larger pistol.

  4. Yeager’s a bit douchey but he’s not wrong here. If I want capacity, I go for 9mm. If I want a heavy round, I go for .45. .40 is weirdly both, or neither.

    • 40 does it all. Most cops and the feds use it. End of story. You get heavy or light round (choice) with power (or reduced to roughly 9mm level if desired) at 40 caliber in a 9mm sized format with 17 instead of 19 rounds in the Glock 22 vs 17. Get yourself a 9mm conversion barrel (I did) to go with your Gen 4 and you covered all worlds. I have 9mm for Keltec pf9 which is around 14oz. The 40 truly is the destroyer of the 9/45 debate (which is the REAL reason some hate it).

      • pat, the problem is that it didn’t end the debate. Now instead of 9vs. 45 we have 9 vs. 40 vs. 45. It’s a vicious wheel that will keep on turning.

        • While it is a wheel that seems to keep on turning, I find it more interesting than vicious to debate (though some can and do get vicious regarding the subject). The 40 has indeed entered the fray, so to speak, with both 9 and 45 fans saying its too snappy and 9 fans saying you dont need the extra power or that it is just as effective (they are wrong, of course).

        • pat, please define the “extra power” that the 40 has.

          It doesnt change the fact that 40 does wear out guns faster and typically firearms models are less reliable than 45 or 9mm. Look at the issues with the glock 22. Need I say more?

          40 is A alternative, though it is no deus ex machina compared to the others. The same argument you are making in favor of the 40 can be made for 357 SIG as well.

        • Extra power (effectiveness) in a larger cross sectional diameter bullet of a larger weight (if desired) with a greater selection of self defense ammo and weight profile (135 grain to 200) are some of the advantages. More ‘wave energy incapacitation punch effect’ because of the higher velocity is also noted. The 4Gen addressed the 40 issues in the Glocks (light systems shaking loose) and reduced felt recoil by 12%……Glock durability and reliability really aint an issue but I will grant that a G17 would be longer lasting (I will just swap out the spring when needed…probably never if I use my 9mm conversion barrel at the range). 357Sig is a novelty niche while 40s&w is a “revolution” with massive ammo selection that is without peer in self defense ammo selection (many loads work fantastically while just a few 9mm loads even enter the ballpark. It is a great caliber for those who want characteristics of the 9 and 45 while serving up a few of its own, a compromise….and so much more.
          I am a worthy debater for this calibers charms, am I not.

  5. Well, there’s a small problem with the assertion: 9mm MAP’s are right up there with .40 S&W at about 35KPSI (per SAAMI).

    .45 ACP’s MAP is down around 20KPSI to 23KPSI (+P loadings).

    I specifically avoid cartridges in both rifles and pistols with high MAP’s now due to hearing damage. If I ever have to light off a few rounds without hearing protection, I’d vastly prefer a round with as low a MAP as possible to get the job done. This takes us to cartridges of the “big and slow” variety – .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .44 Special, etc.

    • I wouldn’t go as far as to say that every .40 S&W pistol will be less accurate than a 9 mm. I shoot a G23 just about the same as a G19, which is to say that for me it’s very accurate. Just the other day I rented an HK P30 in 9 mm and I could not hit anything with it. It was, I should say, perhaps the most comfortable pistol I’ve ever held, but the trigger was not good at all. After 100 rounds my accuracy did not improve at all.

    • Then get a Browning Buckmark 22lr. Nice gun and the ammo is cheap. Dont hate on the cops and feds who (almost all) use the round that settled the 9/45 debate (which is why its hated). Just being honest.

  6. The only chamberings I will ever own a semi automatic handgun in are .22lr, 9mm and .45acp. Revolver chamberings would be .22lr, .357 mag and .44 mag. Anything different would be for as a novelty or as a range queen.

  7. Well, it doesn’t suck, but 10+1 compared to 12+1 was enough reason for me to switch to a 9. Now just to shoot better…

    • Seventeen rounds of ‘real man’ vs nineteen of 9mm (Glock 22 vs 17)? Get real. You give up ‘instant incapacitation’ potential by not using rounds (40) that stretch the nerve plexus when creating a large stretch (temporary) cavity (like getting hit in the gut by a baseball bat when a bullets pressure wave is near a nerve…like solar plexus). There was a reason all the cops used 357 in the past before the high cap semi revolution, and why they use the 40 today. Yup, its worth the loss of two ‘girly’ rounds.

      • 19 rounds of 9mm is superior to 15 rounds of 40. see what I did there? the same thing you did, except the other way around.

        If there is negligible differences between 9mm and 45, the difference is even more negligible when you bring 40 to the table.

        and cops “in the past” typically used 38 special.

        • You have completely ignored the revolution that has taken place over the last 20 years or so with the 40s&w. It is the dominant police firearm (no small feat in such a period of time) thats carried by the feds. Aside from its stretch (temporary)cavity incapacitation ability the cartridge enjoyes a large power and mass spectrum advantage (135 grain to 200). You make the mistake of comparing a primary range round (9mm) with a primary defensive round (40) which becomes glaringly odvious when you see the huge selection of extremely effective choices of defensive ammo the 40 offers compared to the few +p offerings for the 9 has. Glock offered the 4th generation duel spring because the flashlights people were mounting would become loose, and yes, it also reduced felt recoil by about 10%. If I were forced at gunpoint (a 40, of course) to choose the most durable platform, I would go with a G17, but they are all Glocks for heavens sake, durability and reliability just aint an issue. The 40 is a fantastic cartrige that gives MOST of what the 9 and 45 bring to the table….a compromise. The G22 has a 2 round extention giving you 17 on tap, the G17 with its 2 round extention gives you 19. 17 vs 19 really aint that big a deal.
          PS. I got a 9mm conversion barrel for my G22…..which is the MOST used gun in the good ol’ US of A by law enforcement. God bless America.

  8. I agree with you. I like 9mm because it’s cheap and it’s easy to be accurate, and I like .45ACP because it hits like a brick but is still controllable. .40S&W is just….meh.

  9. Anyone that gets paid to train with firearms is going to eventually make up some stuff. BTW all of these instructores will eventually tell you that the best gun/caliber is the gun that YOU shoot the best. I don’t think this video was helpful. I also think it’s a little creepy that at the beginning he talked about penis and was smiling uncontrollably. What is he doing with his hand at 3:20?

    • True. We all shoot 22lr better, but would not use it for defense. By the way, there is a huge difference with shooting at a range and defending yourself where you are hopped up and would not even feel the extra ‘kick’ of the gun that destroyed the 9/45 debate (which is the REAL reason they dislike the round that MOST of the cops and feds use). Silly rabbits. HA ha ha ha ha

  10. Have to agree with James and most of the other comments so far… .40 isn’t that great. Other calibers can be shot better. Now I don’t know enough to counter his claims that .40s wear out faster, but I have no doubt he has more experience than I do so I plead the fifth on that particular issue.

    • I heard a rumor that Gen 3 .40 s&w Glocks were wearing out fast and having a lot of issues with police departments, which was a fairly large consideration in the design of the Gen 4 since most PD’s issue .40 cal Glocks. I also heard that the Gen 4 is designed more around the .40 as opposed to 9mm like previous Gen’s, hence every caliber now having dual recoil springs, which was the main fix to the problems they were seeing with the .40 cal versions apparently. This is just a rumor I heard though, so take it for what it is. Someone hear probably knows more about this.

      • Lights on police issue G22 and 23’s were shooting loose. Gen4 duel recoil spring addressed that. Wear conserns were also noted and greatly reduced (with 12% reduction in felt recoil).

  11. I have a .45 (Sig P220) and a .22LR conversion kit for it. The best of both worlds.

    I carry the gun in the .45 configuration, but I do most of my practice shooting in the .22LR configuration. (low recoil and low ammo costs) I always end my practice sessions with several of the .45 bullets to ensure the practice with low recoil hasn’t screwed up my defensive skills with higher recoil.

  12. All four of my SIGs are chambered in .40 and I like the .40 round, but I’m now in the process of converting my EDC P239 and P229 to 9mm via conversion barrels. I find that 9mm is simply easier to control my follow up shots with vs. .40. Plus, I gain an extra round by going to 9mm.

    For now, I’ll keep my full-sized SIGs in .40.

    • That is a smart move as I have a conversion barrel for my G22. You can shoot ammo all day at the range with 9mm and put the 40 in for defense. You will not shoot noticably worse in real world self defense as you wont even feel the diff in ‘kick’. They make ammo in lower power levels for the 40 to make some of the girls on this forum happy anyway. The 9/45 debate has been destroyed by the 40. The cops and feds know it, now you do. Dont give up the 357 ‘instant incapacitation’ potential that is a hard punch to the solarplexus because the 40 bullet caused a stretch (temporary) cavity and pressure wave nearby.

    • I used to have a G20 so I know what ya mean. They are big guns and the ammo is a niche market, however. 40 was called short and weak at the beginning before the ammo “matured’. Its pushing 357 levels in many loads so I think that moniker “short and weak” has been sufficiently addressed. G20 is a great woods gun, by the way.

      • 10mm should be pushing 600 fps or more or it’s not worth it.Recently with the gun ferver over the last couple yrs makers are stepping up to provide awsome 10mm ammo and at resonable prices.Of course presently UnderWoodAmmo is the go to for real 10mm.Parabellum Ammo is another.Nothing like a auto loader with that kind of power and it can be regulated on load levels for CCW.I always recommend these ammo suppliers.

        • The time I had the G20 the Winchester 175 grain was probably the best. Glad to see they are giving it more options to load with. Great outdoor gun, and you can put a conversion barrel in and shoot 40. It could be the most versatile caliber of all if they continue making different rounds for it. I could see it being more logical than a 45 in the doublestack high capacity large handgun realm….if your hands are large enough for the grip, which I think they slimmed a bit.

    • All depends on the load in the chamber. Some 10mm stuff is real hot and some 40 stuff is mild, though ultimately you could shoot mild stuff out of a 10mm or use a conversion barrel and it would be easiest of all to shoot (unless you put a 9mm conversion barrel in a G22).

  13. His argument is that he has a harder time shooting the .40s&w, so therefore they suck. Ok, just because he can’t shoot it well doesn’t mean that it sucks, it just means that its not for him. I have a .40 s&w and I find it easy to shoot with accurate shot placement. Quick and accurate follow up shots are not a problem as well.

    As I’ve heard time and time again from numerous people, shoot what works for you and what you’re comfortable with. For me, that just happens to be a .40s&w. For James, that is not the case; doesn’t mean it sucks. It is still a lethal round that is more than capable in a defensive situation.

  14. Yeager brings up a good point but does it in a manner that is designed to stir anger. Drama is how MTV and most news networks attract masses of viewers, if Yeager wants to play the same game I’ll ignore him just as much as I do the other two,

  15. Well, pressure times volume = energy. So you can see energy can remain constant if pressure goes up but volume goes down by the same proportion. So, external to the chamber, it doesn’t make a difference if a round is a high pressure round or not. The high pressure doesn’t necessarily imply high energy.

    I think the 40s are typically described as harsh is that they are built upon 9mm platforms with 9mm type slide weights. So of course it’s going to feel more harsh simply because 40 is a higher energy round. Many people say the 10mm is pretty soft shooting in a G20 especially in it’s loadings closer to 40. This because the Glock 20 is based on the larger 45 slide/frame.

    So I don’t doubt Yeager about 40 guns wearing out faster but it’s not correct to just say any high pressure round would have the same effect. Shoot those 40 out of a glock 20 with a conversion barrel and it would last much longer than your G27.

  16. I have a Springfield XDM in 40 S&W and love it. I can shoot it more accurately than anything else. I don’t think it sucks. You know what else is great? I can get conversion barrels to shoot 9mm or 357sig so I would say it’s better than any normal 9mm.

  17. LEO’s shoot what they are told to shoot. The 40 was a Laywer, PC, gender neutral, profit driven, boondoggle. LE Depts adopt it because they can claim all that Federal research as legal defense when they are the defendant on a non-rightous shoot.

    • Huh? What does that have to do with you not being man enough to handle a ‘real gun’? See, I can be cute too. Ha ha ha ha Stop being so upset because the 40 ended the 9/45 debate and is KING of all (though a micro 9mm like the Keltec pf9 is pretty cool….. just ask Zimmerman.

  18. I have never had any use for the .40 and to this day you won’t find one in my gun safe.

    Some think the .40 is more lethal than the 9mm or even the .45. I say they’re misinformed.

    Some think the .40 is a good “compromise” between the 9mm and .45. I think it brings absolutely nothing positive to the table. It has neither the capacity of the 9mm nor the power of the .45. It does however have more recoil than both.

    I wish the 10mm would have remained popular and the watered down .40 would have never happened. The 10mm was unique and purposeful. The .40 was the result of a knee jerk reaction by the FBI.

    The 9mm and .45 ACP have served me well and will continue to do so until someone manages to invent a portable death-ray.

    • I’ll second what Tim said. I’ve always said that people should carry whatever they’re comfortable with, but I’ve always found .40s to be so much snappier than .9s or .45s. With modern ammunition the 9mm is probably all you’d ever need defensively speaking, but some folks like to have a larger caliber (that’s their decision).
      I think the best reason to own a .40 caliber gun is because most law enforcement agencies use them, and in a pinch you could potentially use parts (if you’re using the same model), magazines (again if you’re using the same model) and ammo with local LE should the need arise.
      If you like .40 then by all means, carry it. I’ll stick with a 9mm though, I feel it works just fine.

      • You say the best reason to own a 40 is because most law enforcement agencies use them. Hmmm…..hint, hint, hint.
        Your concept of scrounging parts does add to the versatility of the round, however. You can choose rounds in guns that have less snap try to overcome snap impulse and let it work for you as it is a shorter impulse and some can get on target quicker.

  19. The great Chuck Yeager can decry the .40 all he wants to. Here’s the problem: LEOs often do not have a choice of caliber or firearm. My caliber choices are .40 S&W or .40 S&W for handguns. That’s it. I therefore have several .40 S&W carry options to avoid training scars to the greatest possible extent.

    I actually agree with many of the things he has said regarding wear, recoil, and magazine capacity. However, practice with what you currently own beats .380 / .38 Special / 9mm / .357 Smith / .357 Sig / .40 S&W / .45 GAP / .45 ACP caliber choice. Why? Because you can spend ridiculous amounts of time, money, and frustration chasing caliber choices and firearm platforms. Ammunition choice also mitigates caliber choice to an extent, and the 9mm and .45 ACP both have higher pressure loads which bring their own issues to the table.

    That’s great that he has an awesome résumé, but if he doesn’t live my life he does not have a terribly great influence in my caliber choice.

  20. You do realize your talking about locked breech firearms, slide weight is not the contributing factor to recoil as both slides must use a spring to reduce slide movement and return the slide to battery, different weight slides, different capacity springs

    • Don’t forget having cameramen in the line of fire(NEXT TO THE FUCKING CARDBOARD) and rolling it off as some kind of better for training,the SAS do it so why not us awesome operators training awesomely. The ambush fiasco is just the tip of the iceberg( albeit a very stupid one)

  21. I like mine I don’t have any trouble with recoil on my xdsc after some practice, like any other gun. Although I don’t have my own 9mm yet I’m looking at maybe glock 19, caracal c, or xds when they come out with the 9mm version.
    I bought 40 because my 36 year cop father in law told me tons of stories about how he saw the 9mm fail to put people down over and over again even some dogs. Plus the one time he needed his sig 229 40 to save his life he put 3 in the guys chest from 20 yards out and he was dead on the spot. He might be biased but it’s a good reason to be biased. It might not be the best but it doesn’t suck.

  22. I personally have no trouble managing recoil or placing follow-up shots with my USP 40. Given the design features of the USP, including the polygonal bore, I’d be shocked if it didn’t make it to 50K rounds or more. Seems to me that Mr. Yeager is basing his opinions on his experience with Glocks.

    • the USP 40 is the best 40 out there. hands down. the USP series has always been over-engineered, which is perfect for the high pressure characteristic of the 40. If you are that hellbent on buying a 40 (which most sensible people wouldnt be), then I would recommend none other than the USP 40.

      • Great point. It’s telling that H&K designed & built the USP 40 first, then built the 9mm version on the proven USP 40 chassis.

        When you reverse that order and build a 40 pistol on an existing 9mm base design (I’m lookin’ at YOU, Glock) then yeah, you accept some compromises that are likely to affect longevity.

        • you’re right, but im not saying HK did that because they didn’t. They derived the HK USP from the Mark 23, which automatically guaranteed the USP would be over-engineered 😀

          and that is a good thing. youre taking a handgun that is optimized to fire ALL 45 ACP like a fat kid eating jolly ranchers (including 45 Super), then you are downscaling it to 40 and 9mm. You get a beast.

          The HK USP 40 is the only 40 that has proven itself to me utterly reliable. The Glock, XD, M&P, and others have performed inferior to their 9mm and 45 variants.

        • Fair enough, smwlce. I was trying to avoid a recitation of the USP’s full lineage for the sake of brevity, and not looking like a complete H&K fanboy.

          Yes, the ridiculously overbuilt Mk23 is the USP’s daddy. No argument there. The first USP released was the 40, hence my assertion that the design foundation of the USP built around the 40 s&w cartridge then later adapted to 9mm. It’s a nuanced bit of H&K history, but one which supports your reasoning that the USP 9/40 chassis is unique in having been designed around the 40.