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Chicago! (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

Who is responsible for theft or damage to your vehicle? Who’s responsible for protecting it? The same person who’s responsible for your safety, and the safety of your family and friends. Not “management.” Not the police – who are curiously absent from our day-to-day lives. You. Which is why carrying a gun is such a good idea. Which is why the “no concealed weapons allowed on this property” sign is such a bad idea. As a statement of fact, it’s patently ridiculous. Ask a bad guy. Concealed means concealed. The juxtaposition of these two signs means but one thing to right-thinking Americans: spend your money elsewhere. [h/t: Lee Duran]

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  1. Sorry but management is responsible for any damages caused by the negligence of management regardless of the signage.

    • Gee that would be just too bad if the managers came back to THEIR cars and found them all smashed up with baseball bats and their tires slashed.

  2. If they ban firearms, you have to leave it in the car. They are announcing they are not responsible for when someone breaks into your car to steal the gun that they wouldn’t let you bring inside.

    • That rule would apply to the parking lot as well, as it is part of the property. It’s like USPS, except at that mall, you might be able to find decent service.

      • They can’t legally do that (at least in most places). Just about every state that allows concealed carry or possession of a firearm in general has a provision tthat says you can keep it locked up in your car, even if you’re in a fire-free zone’s parking lot (city building, school, mall, or otherwise).

    • I shop there, but only because finding 40×40 pants is hard enough without limiting my choice of stores.

  3. To me, that sign means I need to get on I-90 and keep heading west until I get back to a state where saying “there ought to be a law” is a good way to get slapped.

    • Hey Jason…Indiana(or Wisconsin) are lots closer than Iowa. I live a mile from Indiana. I can’t complain(much). Things are getting better around here in my fairly pro-2A suburb. I do try to avoid the city as much as possible…

      • Actually I-90 turns north into Wisconsin at Rockford. Wanna go to Iowa, take I-80 or I-88.

        • He said he was heading WEST. So there is no “actually”…(Yeah I know I-90 says west even if it ain’t). SE is pretty good for gun rights…I know lots of Indiana guys-including 1 tiny Spanglish boy who whipped out his Kimber at the gun counter at Cabelas and told me it’s the one I should buyLOL…and it was stuck in his pants “gangster” style. duhhhh…

  4. That sign is unenforcable. The State Police have a very specific sign to use referencing the law. The sign needs to be a specific size and reference the statute as far as I can surmise from the reading of the law,

    I ignore all other bizarre little signs.

    • +1

      Under current IL laws this holds no legal weight. I’d be curious to see if the individual businesses of the strip mall have the correct signage on their doors. In any event, this parking lot sign is nothing more than signage theatre.

        • I don’t think this is a public lot- its private and invites the general public onto its lot to patronize the shops located there. I know where this is, I live near by, its at the NW corner of Fullerton & Clybourn in Chicago, West of DePaul University in Lincoln Park. There is a Chuck E. Cheese in this strip mall, maybe they wanted it posted?

          I see all types of people there including families with kids so its a great place to have CCW’s there just in case something pops off.

  5. I was in Chicago a few days ago, legally carrying the sh*t out of my handgun. Felt good, man. Do you know what felt even better? The lack of ‘no guns’ signs. I might have seen one business with one of those. Some hoity toity lookin’ restaurant or something, so it didn’t bother me.

  6. BTW I did some research; I believe that is from the riverpoint shopping center on the North side.

    • That’s it exactly. There’s a Chuck E Cheese’s right next to that Justice store seen in the far left-center background that is a known gang hangout which is the subject of 911 calls for brawls, damage to property, theft and the occasional strong-arm robbery.

      Illustrating Chicago Crime, Murder and Mayhem at

      • Hm.

        I would have guessed the little bastards at the Chuck E Cheese was the source of the 911 calls for brawls, damage to property, theft and the occasional strong-arm robbery…

  7. I bet the sign is just up to make non-people of the gun feel safe, since the sign holds no legal weight.

    Pursuant to Section 65(d) of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, signs must be of a uniform design and the Illinois State Police is responsible for adopting rules for standardized signs. The Illinois State Police has proposed rules which require a white background; no text (except the reference to the Illinois Code 430 ILCS 66/1) or marking within the one-inch area surrounding the graphic design; a depiction of a handgun in black ink with a circle around and diagonal slash across the firearm in red ink; and that the circle be 4 inches in diameter. The sign in its entirety will measure 4 inches x 6 inches.

  8. As mentioned, the sign doesn’t meet the letter of the law. Maybe some can take their chances on how a Chicago judge will interpret that. I won’t.

    I agree that we need to take our business elsewhere, but that won’t bring down the sign or prevent their proliferation. We need to take the time to contact the owner of the property and explain why we patronize only those retailers who respect our right to defend ourselves. Otherwise their ignorance is bliss.

    • Maybe Shannon put it up to make the gang bangers feel welcome and safe that they won’t be pre-judged looking for victims. You know, like those signs on fire stations that indicate it is ok to drop off a baby, no questions asked.

  9. I refuse to spend one dime of my hard earned money at ANY business that displays, condones, or supports “gun free” zones. If I have to pay a little more somewhere else, or drive out of my way then so be it…

    The peace of mind I get in return is worth every little inconvience and extra money that I (might) spend by patronizing a business that is pro-gun, gun-friendly, or one that is neutral and has a policy in line with State laws.

    Stand by your principles and hit em where it hurts – the pocketbook. Don’t be afraid to let em know why either.

    After all, money talks and BS walks…

  10. Concealed means concealed. So, if you do it right, no one knows you’re carrying. If, for some odd reason they become aware that you are armed, all they can do is ask you to leave. So leave. No big deal.

    They need your business a lot more than you need them.

    • In IL, it’s a class B misdemeanor if you’re caught carrying in a posted store. Class A the second time you’re caught, etc. So while most owners might ask you to leave and not call the cops, there is still a risk of legal trouble if you’re spotted carrying. FYI

  11. As some folks mentioned, the IL carry law allows an entity to prevent carry on their property. This lot is open to the public from multiple directions and is surrounded by stores, so even if this were the correct sign it still would hold no weight. It’s just some business suit idiot thinking he’s doing something.
    What I wonder is, what do they think they’re doing here? What good could possibly come of this? What infinitesimally small percentage of the population is able to carry legally, and would in good faith obey a sign like this, and is also so prone to snap that if it weren’t for the sign they’d up and shoot someone over a scuffed Puma?
    Hoplophobes are just idiots.

  12. Here is a sub-paragraph of the “prohibited places” part in the Illinois concealed carry law:

    (b) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (a-5), and (a-10) of this Section except under paragraph (22) or (23) of subsection (a), any licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subsection (a), (a-5), or (a-10) of this Section shall be permitted to carry a concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in a case within a locked vehicle or locked container out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle’s trunk, provided the licensee ensures the concealed firearm is unloaded prior to exiting the vehicle. For purposes of this subsection, “case” includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container.

  13. Mr. Farago writes, “Not the police – who are curiously absent from our day-to-day lives.” I’m getting confused as to the position of TTAG. Are the police too absent or too present? One story has them omnipresent and the next finds them MIA. Can we have some consistency please?

  14. The posted no-guns signage and hundreds of off-limits locations for CCLs are the way NRA contract lobbyist for IL Todd Vandermyde and Rep. Brandon Phelps wrote the “good” “NRA backed” HB183 carry bill.

    No-guns signs would not be a big deal if they did not make EVERY violation of the carry act including Duty to Inform, a CRIMINAL penalty of 6 MONTHS or 1 YEAR in jail. This is what happens when the NRA lobbyist is a rat traitor who sells out their own membership.

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