If you had an old conviction for, say…assault with intent to commit rape, you would be expected to mention that when you applied for a CCW permit. If you failed to disclose that ‘little technicality’ you would expect to lose your CCW permit and be prosecuted for perjury, and ultimately lose your gun rights all over again. Fair’s fair, right?Not according to Idaho State Representative Mark Patterson . . .
His CCW permit was revoked after he was caught lying in his applications, but he’s allowed to keep carrying because Idaho law allows virtually all elected officials to carry concealed firearms without a permit. This law doesn’t just include the governor and state legislators: it also covers school board members, dog catchers, and highway district commissioners . . .
This obnoxious law didn’t generate much controversy until Patterson’s case hit the news. Patterson is ineligible for a CCW permit because he pled guilty to ‘assault with intent to commit rape’ in Florida in 1974, but he lied about it on his applications in 2007 and 2012. When the police discovered the prior guilty plea they revoked his CCW permit. He’s considering appealing the revocation, but he can still carry anyway because he’s an elected official.
I’m calling bullshit on this whole sordid affair.
The smaller problem is this: Whatever the rules ought to be for people with truly ancient criminal convictions, lying on your CCW application is perjury and I can’t understand why he hasn’t been charged for it.
The bigger problem is that there shouldn’t be one rule for ‘the gummint’ and another, more restrictive rule for the rest of us. Patterson’s carry privilege is just as offensive as those of Dianne Feinstein and Michael Bloomberg. It’s simply tyrannical for elected representatives to vote themselves special privileges while placing more restrictions on the lives of ordinary citizens.
Which part of “With Liberty And Justice For All” did they miss?
“Penrose asked the audience — a room packed full of lawyers and law school students — how many of them felt the legislative and judicial responses to gun violence have been effective. Not a single hand went up.”
My mother would have said, “no shit, sherlock”. I wouldn’t have raised my hand either. It hasn’t been effective….and I am extremely grateful to a great many in the pro-2ndA movement, for there efforts in keeping it that way. Built into this single small paragraph is the entire problem with Liberals – they assume their is a problem, and they assume government has the solution.
I’ll go a step further and say that if you’re not in jail, you have a right to carry. The Constitution doesn’t distinguish rights between classes of citizens based on previous record, not does it delineate any difference between government workers of the public in regard to the bill of rights. Simply put EVERY citizen in the United States is protected by the Bill of Rights. If someone is released from jail after committing a crime, as a society we should be content that they are “rehabilitated” or they SHOULD STILL BE IN JAIL. The crux is, if we trust them in society but we don’t trust them with firearms, there is a missing piece to the logic…It is a slippery slope when “crimes” allow the government to forbid you to exercise your rights.
Going by your logic, a recidivist rapist or armed robber should be able to carry upon release?
…based on my logic they should still be in jail.
This, a thousand times over.
Yes, the gun is a simbol of my fear. When the bad guy has it and I don’t!
Perhaps she is correct in that the 2nd ought to be replaced….. And here is what it ought to be replaced with;
The right of the individual to keep and bear arms, ammunition, transportation, and weapons of war, for the purposes of defense of self, household, community, enterprise, State, Nation, or Republic, shall be sacrosanct and absolute, as shall the right to such defense, and no Government, corporation, artificial entity, or private individual shall infringe upon these rights in any way shape or form, nor shall ANY Government, corporation, artificial entity, or private individual regulate, tax, impede, prohibit, survey, or in any other manner interfere in the free possession, transport, import, export, sale, or keeping of arms, ammunition, transportation or devices or publications involved in maintaining these rights.
Sorry, but private individuals certainly can prohibit the “keeping of arms” on their own property, if they so choose. We don’t want government to trample one person’s property rights in favor of another’s.
I think she is on the right track. Quit B.S.ing around with these chip away tactics and go for the repeal. Of course, that is a really hard task, so the grabbers will just keep whining on their blogs and stroke each other’s emotions.
Fear? I’m afraid? I’m the one that has the guns so why would I be the one who is afraid?
“assault with intent to commit rape”
While a crime like that might disqualify you for a CCW, it totally qualifies you to become a politician.
Actually, I’m pretty sure it’s a requirement!
How strange. Here we have a guy who hates guns explaining to us how we also hate guns – so strange.
How to win an argument every time? More like how to annoy someone trying to reason with you to the point where they give up and leave so you can assert yourself the “winner” for making claims based on fiction against a person you don’t even know.
I’d have been getting new ‘roommates’ after the call to the police.
So if you become a school board member, you get magical carry rights, but not as a teacher…? Great priorities.
Sometimes I hold my revolver over my crotch and go pew pew. But then I remember it’s only a 4″ 357 and not an 8″ 44 🙁
I felt I needed to write her a letter. I sent the following email and thought I would share with the group:
Ms Penrose,
I believe you are very much wrong about repealing the Second Amendment! I believe every person born of this Earth has a natural and civil right to defend themselves. The Second Amendment protects this natural civil basic human right. Other countries have taken away this basic natural human civil right. You are doing major harm to this country and to our way of life by teaching young people that we do not deserve this basic natural civil right. You are a teacher of the law not a teacher on how you “feel!” If you cannot stick to teaching the law then I am asking you to resign!
PLEASE STOP TEACHING AND TRYING TO TAKE AWAY MY NATURAL CIVIL BASIC HUMAN RIGHT TO PROTECT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY.
You guys need to stop assuming they care about facts and evidence.
People like Marge are advancing a cause and will do everything, including lying and misrepresenting, to further it.
Mall shopping is all but dead so browsing a bunch of dying businesses with other bargain hunters is not the same atmosphere of mall happiness I had as a kid. I avoid malls because retail prices are ridiculous and once the food court in one is reduced to 5 restaurants you can’t really enjoy the experience.
Online shopping has swapped shipping with sales tax and made window shopping attractive as you can do it in pajamas. I avoid death traps on principle but there’s very little carrot left in the mall and lots of stick.
Yep.
What possible “joy” is there in being part of a teeming mass of humanity shoving and pushing each other to grab the last XBox One, only to wait in a communistically long line for the opportunity the pay for it?
My nearest mall is about an hour away, so what I save in gas will buy just a bit more ammo. Somewhere.
I go to shopping malls when it suits me. And when I go, I try NOT to look for any notices they have regarding firearms. If they discover that I am armed and ask me to leave, so be it.
In general I recommend whatever standard concealed carry sidearm people normally have. Closer to the holidays, I take my “notebook computer” with me in its case into crowded shopping malls. Of course my case does not hold a notebook computer at all but a pistol caliber carbine in .40 S&W. It weighs just four pounds and folds in half so it fits nicely and comfortably in a notebook computer carrying case even though it has a 16 inch barrel. That firearm definitely tips the odds back toward my favor if a small group of terrorists try to attack the mall while I am shopping. It normally takes me less than four seconds to unzip the case, pull out the carbine, unfold it, chamber a round, and bring it up to my shoulder.
Again, this doesn’t guarantee anything. All it does is give me a good fighting chance to get out alive and stop a few terrorists in the process. I’ll take that any day versus being unarmed and having no options at all.
There’s ONE store I shop at at our mall, and that’s because it has clothes that fit me and that I like that aren’t too pricey. Otherwise, screw the mall. ANd it’ll be 2014 before I’m back in it, because screw Christmas shopping rush
This woman looks like she is Gabby Giffords sister, there’s a lot of vacancy about the eyes that would be a dead giveaway if you put them side by side, that and the drooling, of course……….
The mall isn’t exactly a must-see destination for me, but sometimes I gotta go. For example, the local mall has the only Apple store within reasonable distance. In CO, signs do not carry weight of law, so I carry concealed. If I’m asked to leave I will, but if I carry right no one is the wiser. That’s the nice thing about…wait for it…concealed carry. In this case, anyway.
Malls aren’t that exciting anymore, anyway. Being more of an introvert, crowds aren’t all that appealing to me in the first place. Besides, once you’ve seen one store, you’ve seen the mall. Right?
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Rowe? That’s pretty similar to roe, innit? You’re so insecure about your penis that your last name is a homophone for a mass of fish gametes!
Captain Capitalism (Aaron Clarey, author of “Enjoy the Decline”) published this video yesterday which is 30 minutes and I think speaks to the “gun guys” as much as it does to the “manosphere guys”.
They also fight the influence of the left and the Feminists.
Give it a watch and see what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aX5_Q7DGIM
You mentioned:
“Most original and all Mk.II Hi-Powers have forged steel frames…not ideal for +P ammo, but certainly serviceable.”
That surprised me. I figured a forged steel frame would be the most robust. What would be better than a forged frame for +P ammo?
I have heard that it’s not that the forging process is inferior but that the design didn’t have enough metal in certain parts of the frame. To re-design the forging would have been cost prohibitive.
The problem was addressed in the cast version where it’s easy to modify the design.
I have also heard that given exactly the same alloy the forging would be stronger. But, things are never equal, you could cast in a stronger alloy than would be practical in a forging.
Jason
If you visit the link to Stephen Camp’s site at the bottom of the post he goes into this issue.
IIRC (don’t take just my word for it), but it depends on the quality of the steel used in the forging and the heat treatment. They found it cheaper to produce tougher cast frames than tougher new forged frames so they switched to cast frames only.
I have an adjustable sight Hi-Power Practical I bought new in the mid 90’s (it came with plugged mags so it had to have been after 1994). It is by far the most accurate and pleasant shooting handgun I’ve ever owned. If memory serves I paid around five bills which amusingly enough seemed like a fortune to me at the time. Shoulda bought two.
Every gunnie owes it to themselves to at least spend some range time with one.
HAH! How to win an argument with a gun nut? Well I guess if by argue they mean make shit up and scream hysterically, then yes they win every time. Now if they mean an actual conversation, there’s zero chance of a liberal coming out on top. And need I point out he ignores women?
I think this man is feeling a good bit insecure about himself, and his world view. Maybe he’s writing this because he’s trying to compensate for something himself.
Blind hog finds the acorn every once in awhile. I have seen a lot of makeshift stocks at various events. Some good some bad. He also is not free floating the barrel which is most of the time a no no for accuracy, but refer to my earlier statement.
Yes, but what sort of trigger is he using?
This was a very interesting study. Thank you.
As for the velocity issue, since the limitation to how much energy you can put in a bullet is the chamber pressure and subsequently barrel pressure, the longer the barrel the more PV energy you can impart to the bullet. A completely tuned propellant system at each barrel length would show V^2 roughly proportional to the length.
But as noted, the greater length makes more whipping from harmonics and the longer barrel requires substantially more tuning, perhaps more metal. Think about what happens to a hose when you turn the water on.
Folks been doing this long range stuff for quite a while. Billy Dixon at The Battle of Adobe Walls is worth checking out….140 years ago…
Like everyone else I have seen the mixed reviews about the KSG and the myrid of problems associated with the weapon and poor construction. I came across one recently at a local gunshow and purchased it on an impulse…I was well prepared to be disappointed.
In fact, I was more than pleased with its performance and reliability.
I have always been a Remmington 870 fan, I live in a very rural area and my shotgun rides in a rack on my UTV as I explore the woods or poke about on my farm. I keep one besides my bed for emergencies and with my former military and law enforcement training I have always felt this was the best choice for me and my life-style. I had no intention of replacing my 870’s as a “go-to” weapon, with the KSG, it was just a novelty, something different.
From the beginning I added a pistol grip with integrated LED light on the slide, mounted as far forward as possible. I included the flip-up buis sights and a red-dot scope (no magnification) intended specifically for shotguns. I field stripped the weapon, cleaned it thouroughly and lightly honed some of the sharp edges on the magazine tubes.
I sighted the sights in with slugs, and found the recoil was pretty sharp, it left an ugly bruise on my shoulder. A slip on gel-filled recoil pad solved that dillema.
Over the next couple of days I fed over 500 rounds through the Kel Tec KSG using 2 and 2/3 inch buckshot, slugs, #4 shot and a variety of lighter loads. Maybey because of the substantial pistol grip I mounted well forward I experienced no problem with short-stroking, I had not a single failure to feed nor a jam. The weapon patterned reasonably well even with the cheaper ammo, performed reliably, and functioned perfectly! For preventative maintenance I simply ran a bore snake through the barrel and wiped down the internals after removing the butstock and bolt carrier. I found the take down pins worked well and it was easy to disassemble and put back together. I have yet to do a full disassembly further than that.
Loading and operating the selector lever did take some practice, but once mastered it did not pose a serious problem and in fact I have found advantages to this set up. I have never had a single issue of spent rounds striking my wrist, in fact I have never ever even noticed the ejected hull until after a string of fire and their would be a small pile at my feet. Completely unnoticed…no problems there!
I found the safety/fire selector switch to be intuitive and just stiff enough to be practical, I like the ambidexterous design of the weapon and prefer the slide release over that of my 870s. It works well and without fault.
Perhapse the greatest advantage is its short length. Before I had to keep my 870s in a gunrack on my Rhino. To use the weapon I had to stop the vehicle, get out, unstrap the shotgun, and by then whatever varmint I was after was long gone. The KSG is small enough it can either sit in my lap or on a verticle clip and can easily be employed from the cab without bumping into things or getting caught up. For home defense I can clear a corner easily and due to its ambidexterous design can easily switch arms to present a lower profile.
The weapon fires quickly without any faults, it fits well within my shoulder and has an intuitive feel to it that I appeciate. Maybe due to the bull-pup design I have also noticed considerably less muzzle flip and my time on target is faster and I can place more rounds where I need them to be.
I should also add that my KSG is one of the later generations, with the moulded hand guard at the front of the slide and the winess holes on the magazine tubes (Maybe this is the reason for its good performance versus some of the 2011 reviews?)
In short I am so pleased with this weapon that I have done the unthinkable; I have replaced my beloved 870s, put aside almost 30 years of experience and history, and now use the KSG exclusively. I even tracked down and bought a second one for my son and he has had similar experiences with his as I have had with mine. He is an avid backpaker in the wilds and he straps his to his tube packframe, it fits securely and snuggly to his backpack due to its short length and he loves it! (Also makes dad feel more secure knowing that he is adequtely protected in bear country.)
My brother is a sheriff deputy as well as his fiance…I am in the process of ordering two more for them as well. That is how much I think of this weapon!
So in short, while there are a lot of negative reviews out there, and perhapse my son and I just “lucked out” with the quality, reliability, and dependability of our weapons; I would still recommend this firearm to friends and loved ones.
It is the operator, not the tool.
My incredibly small penis is seething with impotent rage at the truth bomb this obviously well-endowed male laid on me
Wow. I heard about that this morning, but not the part about “not pursuing any suspects”. Whether this was a dgu or attempted murder-suicide, that is going to be some hard events to live through for the family.
Some people can’t get away from that or don’t have a choice because of “street rules”. In an NPR special I heard about a high school in Chicago you are in a game depending on where you live whether you want to be or not. You get targeted for just living on the wrong side of the road and then coming to the same school as a rival gang.
“…illegitimate distrust of the criminal justice system…”
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What about those of us with a legitimate distrust of the criminal justice system?
The son was evaluated on an emergency order but kicked because no psycho ward had a bed for him? And now, he’s dead and his father grievously injured. If that kind of danger doesn’t merit a bed, what the hell does?
The mental healthcare industry in America is a bad joke.
I think it’s kinda funny. It might be something I’d put on my car because seems sarcastic. “Ban Assault Clips”…Thats funny. We all know that there is no such thing as “assault clips” and the use of the word clips instead of rifles makes me believe it’s a joke. I had a similar style bumper sticker, and meet so many idiots it was great. I made a sticker that said Obama 2013 that looked like the 2012 one. Most idiots never got the joke. The only people that got It were gun club members.
Ooooh thanks for the heads up, this is one for the wish list
Seems to me this should be way easier to control and put more rounds on target than an actual full auto gun. This setup gives you a split second to get back on target before the next round goes off. Not many people can be very accurate with a full auto machine, they just fire so fast you dont have a chance to reset. Would like it to be a little cheaper though.