This won’t make the diminutive dictatorial dean of disarmament happy. No, not at all. With a third recall effort under way in the Centennial State, Governor John Hickenlooper has let it be known – in no uncertain terms – that he thinks members of the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex should stay out of his state for a while. As usatoday.com quotes the Gov, “Colorado is a state that people like to be themselves and solve their own problems. . . . They don’t really like outside organizations meddling in their affairs, and maybe the NRA gets a pass on that” . . .
Gee, it’s not like Mayor Mike has statistics, public opinion or a winning, persuasive personality on his side. If he can’t throw some of his endless stash of cash at a bunch of mountain state rubes, what’s a dedicated gun-grabber to do?
But wait, why is Hickenlooper more concerned about outside influence now than he was during the Morse and Giron recalls? Simple. First, he didn’t believe Coloradans were really pissed off enough to toss two powerful state senators over a little thing like losing some of their gun rights. Second, this time control of the Senate’s at stake:
If Republicans succeed in gaining (Senator Evie Hudak’s) seat, Democrats would lose their 18-17 edge in the state Senate.
Petition organizers have until Dec. 3 to collect 18,900 signatures. “They’re well-funded and there’s a lot of energy behind this, a lot of frustration,” Hickenlooper said. “I’m going to guess it’s probably 50-50” that they will be able to get the recall vote on the ballot.
But, he noted, “I didn’t think they’d get enough signatures for the first two.”
So given what happened when Morse’s and Giron’s fates were put before their constituents after they voted to restrict Coloradans’ natural, fundamental and Constitutional right to armed self defense, Hickenlooper figures the optics of a bunch of east coast lefties trying to affect Colorado politics can only hurt him this time around. No matter how much money they throw around.
“But (it is) probably not a bad idea” for gun-control groups, such as the one established by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, to curb their efforts if gun-rights activists collect enough signatures to force a recall vote on state Sen. Evie Hudak, a two-term Democrat from a suburban district north of Denver, he said.
Sorry Mayor Mike. Looks like neither you nor your billions are welcome out in flyover country. The good governor – who signed those gun control measures into law – would just as soon you STFU, keep a low profile and hold onto your money. At least until all this recall talk blows over.
Honestly… I’m probably go for the 1911. I just like the feel of the 1911 better.
Okay, see this is why the idea of a secret disarmament conspiracy doesn’t make any sense to me. If they really wanted to keep that sort of agenda on the downlow there’s no way Hickenlooper would make this sort of statement publicly; he’d do it on a secure line in a single call. Fortunately for us the guys who wave the disarmament flag are 1) Not clever enough to pull off an actual conspiracy, 2) Way too dumb to actually plot out anything not directly related to their own elections and 3) Not very bright in any case. They can still effect some serious damage with their sabre rattling, but an organized secret plan assumes competence upon people who continually demonstrate themselves as incompetent.
Gun rights may have played part in the recalls. What I think really pissed folks off is when Morse told the state Senors to ignore their constituents and vote with the party.
Gun rights drove the recall election, period. What made people vote the way they did in the election is a different issue.
Yes. I believe a lot of voters didn’t like the arrogance displayed, especially by Morse. And it’s likely almost every gun owner voted to give the dictators the boot. But a lot of otherwise neutral non-gun owners had to be offended by the NYC mayor trying to show them the way. Reminds me of the salsa commercial: “New York City??!!” Bloomberg = poison in the free world.
1911 No question mag swaps don’t take long and there is plenty of cover in my usual stompin grounds and in that configuration the Glock would be hard to CC.
Disarmament is the end game. It doesn’t require any sort of conspiracy. You state that X gun or X magazine capacity is OBVIOUSLY a problem, you call the banning of such “common sense”, and then you trot out the families of victims until you get your way.
Next tragedy, you rinse, wash, repeat. Eventually, disarmament will be the end result without ever getting any of the proponents to consider it as a possible destination. Just keep the lemmings nodding to the common sense jargon until everyone’s disarmed and under control. Then we can get rid of all those pesky vestiges of democracy.
I bought a pair of these awhile back-
http://www.earplugstore.com/silnatrubear.html
I’ve worn them under a metal shelter with four people shooting pistols at the same time, and felt no discomfort. They come with a plastic case, and I carry them with me at all times.
“Not something that would shake the snow off a pine tree by the power of its Thu’um, but not something that sounds like an unruly squirrel rustling in the leaves.”
FUS ROH DAH!!!
I like the surefire ear plugs for shotgun and handgun then use my peltor PTL for rifle and both for large brake equipped rifles.
My buddy has the MSA sordins and I got to admit they’re nice. $300 nice that’s up to you.
You gotta love little Napoleon and his maiggots. He made it easy for us in Colorado when he tried to buy the state.
Hickenlooper is no idiot. He knows that if Bloombag tries to buy Colorado again, the Republican running against Hudak really will be running against Bloomberg, and that’s a no-brainer.
I found the M3 Greasegun to be more accurate and fun that I thought it would be, but my favorite subgun so far: HK MP5…
Not to sound cheap or anything, but you can reuse foam plugs several times. Wash with clothes, they come out of dryer like new. You can do this 6 times and get the price per use down to a real nickel. Proper hygeine helps. Keeping your ears nearly waxless is easy. Swab outer ears with tissue paper daily after your shower. The thin wax film in the outer ear is absorbed by tissue paper. Use 3 fresh patches of tissue in the outer ear, then _gently_ swab ear canal with Q-tip, rotation helps. If you do this daily, your ear plugs won’t gross anyone out.
Well he should drop more money. I don’t know how this latest recall one voted in terms of gun rights but how she treated rape victims would be more than enough for me to sign a petition if I lived in that area.
Your mother deserved to be more than a meat shield for those children, that is not “everything in her power”. The biggest difference between a civilian and a marine is training, motivation, and mindset.
Sorry for her pain and loss, but taking away the rights of others will not bring your loved ones back.
I’ll take the Glock in 9mm without the 33 round mag, the standard mag will do just fine.
Or I would take the 1911, sell it then buy several Glocks, or one Glock and one long gun of some sort.
I am gonna have to go Glock.
Neither. I’d keep rocking my Springfield XD and XDm. But if those two were all I had to choose from, I’d pick pu the Glock first, no question. Simple and reliable wins the day.
Use the Glock to save your life and play around with the snazzy 1911 later, when you’ve got time to appreciate its beauty.
Great piece, Robert. I recently converted a fence-straddler who leaned anti… by taking him to the range. He LOVED it.
You said that how you handle the range part of the program is another conversation for another day. But, I think it’s worth mentioning spending some time going over safety and operation of the firearms somewhere OUTSIDE the range is a good idea.
I spent an hour at my friend’s quiet office going over safety and how the guns work before we went to the range.
I also think it’s prudent to start nearly every newbie with a .22LR (rifle and handgun) for the obvious reasons.
After we were done, he asked me, “When can we do it again??”
And for the love of god don’t overload them with jargon. Now is NOT the time to get on to someone about magazine vs clip, or even the term assault rifle (that can come later).
I agree that we shouldn’t get after them about wrong terms. Given that most people not interested in firearms will have little knowledge of the terms I think that the pre-shoot safety discussion is a right time and right way to introduce those correct terms to their lexicon. Past that though don’t correct them just unobtrusively use the right terms whenever you talking to them.
That depends, if i grab it do I get to keep it? I already have a Glock. But I dont have a custom Nighthawk Enforcer. Something about budget concerns, and living within my means.
The US adopted the 5.56/Stoner because Bob McNamara (he was secretary of defense) had a hard-on for the 5.56 and pulled every string his position afforded him to make his wet dream turn into a happy ending.
What about those people who have had a personal bad experience with guns? For example, how do you get a man who’s brother committed suicide with a shotgun to go to the range?
I am still trying to crack that one. I have a friend whose wife had a family member end their life that exact way. I have taken him to the range, and he even wanted to get a gun and keep it at my house, however she cannot let go. She was also the person that found him dead, some battles cannot be won.
If I have ten seconds to arm myself because Leatherface is coming to cut me up I’d choose the Glock.
If I don’t know the 1911 I’m not trusting my life to it. I trust MY 1911 but not that one. Not until I’ve put a decent amount of rounds through it.
It’s a good idea to go overkill on hearing protection because any pain you notice from loud noises is damage and too late to fix.
This is a silly question. I have heard allot of Glock vs 1911 stuff right now. The correct answer is both. You should own both! I have a Glock 22 and a Kimber Warrior, Next question.
DAMN!!! Now the image of Dan burying his face in Hillary’s bosom is burned on my retinas.
Why choose? I have two hands.
I only feel safe with a big gun on my hip and several evil black rifles in my gun safe or one slung over my shoulder with a magazine the size of a jai alai cesta. So does my right to feel safe with a gun trump their right to feel safe by disarming me?
Another bunch of privileged athletes. Yawn. At least they aren’t out murdering or raping. Yet.
The reason for the so-smooth finish of the M12S has nothing to do with craftsmanship, but results from the fact that the finish is plastic, er, polyepoxide. As it wears off in use the gun gets rough and rust-prone like any other. You can put an epoxy finish on an M3a1 if you prefer the feel. The 12-S2 isn’t light, except by comparison to a Thompson or MP40. A recent production Mk18 M4-style short carbine is noticably lighter, even with a suppressor attached. A sound-suppressor on a 12S is generally an after-market device.
The M12S isn’t the standard subgun of “many developed nations.” Italy is the only developed nation using the gun. The rest are Latin American, African, and other developing or less developed nations. Consider Bahrain developed, if you wish. I suppose the MP5, which entered service in 1966, quickly took over the “developed nation” market because the roller-delayed locking-bolt blowback mechanism is safer under heavy use. It doesn’t have the problem straight blowback subguns have of occasionally (once the gun is dirty in the field) firing when the bolt is not fully forward. A mint M16, MP5, or M12S can all be had for about the same price, which depends on the scarecity of pre-ban automatic weapons, not on the original MSRP of the gun.
I’ve never owned any of these except the Thompson in the M1 form, which I sold. As for the M3 v. M12S, I find the M3’s aesthetics more like the Ferrari 250 California Spider, if the M12S is considered the Lambo. You decide:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Beretta_M12.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M3-SMG.jpg
Nice review. The shooting certainly looked like fun, but don’t sell your SBR if a 12S shows up in the market!
True, but bag carry is better than no carry.
Let the flames begin.
These kinds of things don’t happen. Ask the police chief in California that said so.
The 1911. Better trigger and much less awkward. Sold all my glocks as they were simply hard to shoot well.