So every now and then I take on a gun control advocate on Twitter. Every time it ends like the “conversations” I had with my second ex-wife about drug abuse. She either changed the subject of left the room. She—they—simply can’t face facts. In this case, I took on US Gun Violence, an anonymous Twitterer who peppers big name pols with incendiary anti-gun agit-prop (e.g. “Who cares if kids die as long as your profits go up, right?”). Click here to read our thread (excerpted above). Suffice it to say, the enemies of The People of the Gun cannot be “convinced” of anything even remotely related to facts. But we should still engage them so that those who listen to their nonsense can see that they are willfully ignorant. And wrong.
You should have quoted the Institute for Medicine/National Research Council study ordered by President Obama after Newtown that said that DGUs out numbered criminal use. How could they argue with an Obama Administration study?
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Arguing with heathens about firearms. It’s like talking to dogs about cars.
As a practicing Heathen, I take issue with that statement.
In point of fact, it’s akin to talking empirical science with someone of unshakable faith: you cannot successfully argue with someone who Knows.
Old Russion saying: Arguing over faith is like shearing a pig. You cause much squealing, but collect very little wool.
Arguing with facts with libtards is like trying to teach a pig to dance.
Pigs cant dance. All you do is get yourself covered in pig-$hit and pi$$ off the pig.
As a practicing Baptist, I take issue with that statement. We come from many walks in life. For example, I have a BS in Genetic Engineering and a MS in Computer Science. Your generalization is far too broad. In fact, a large number of people I know and work with are of “unshakble faith” and are excellent engineers and scientists. We’re just not pushy or loud people.
Yes. “Nothing produced everything,” said the Atheist. Now that’s blind faith.
Do not confuse the term faith. There is a religious faith and belief in a higher being and there is the political sense which many gun grabbing progressive believe in. Being in a progressive state I work with some people who have told me to my face “There is no God” “My faith is my government which all I need”
These people have a strong belief in government as much as someone who feels strongly about a true religion. You may worship at a church, they worship at the ballet box. Whenever these progressive have something they do not like, they use government to change it. They believe that feelings are more important than logic. They are the kids in grade school who would tattle on you to the teacher for just about anything.
Actually, you misunderstand my argument.
I was merely stating that logical arguments cannot touch faith, any more that one can beat up a beam of light.
The two are of different natures, and either can move the other.
The Supremacy of the State and the Moral Right of Gun Control are not things of logic to the Grabber, but matters of faith. They Know.
I make comments to my cat about politics so what’s the problem?
great DGU stat but to them a DGU is probably a swat team member shooting a dog.
I agree. That’s what I do. Robert that is why I sent you that email about parents against gun violence and their totally bogus banners they splash all over their Facebook page. They banned me when I politely and logically challenged their position. They did like what I had to say and they didn’t like the idea that others might see the light – so better to ban me and delete all my comments.
Typical Anti-Motif.
They know they have irrational bias and act irritationally ro remain bias.
Yea, Here it is:
I went to this page:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=494179243987399&set=pb.413407645397893.-2207520000.1376090318.&type=3&theater
and wrote the following:
“What an articulate play of words for this banner.
However it is not a meaningful comparison/substitution. Traffic laws regulate safe operation of motor vehicles in public domains. Gun laws typically revolve around possession of guns and components – such as a 100 round drum, 30 round mags, accessories that make guns silent, etc. Last time I checked, all traffic laws end when the road meets your driveway. On your private property you can possess any kind of vehicle with any type of accessory you want, unregistered, uninsured, with no traceability whatsoever. This substitution is a play at words for a statement pulled out of context.”
Apparently they didn’t like it, because shortly after all my comments on their facebook page vanished and I was BANNED.
They banned me when they deemed it too difficult to counter my arguments.
Brilliant response!
“the enemies of The People of the Gun”
I think you can shorten that to “the enemies of the people.”
Nice!
Perfect.
Y’know, some people simply cannot be educated.
Talking to them is like driving your car over the exact same route to the store every day in the hope that it’ll learn the way and be able to go there unaided.
Even after a century of “training,” it’s just not going to get the idea.
Their minds are as sharp as Velveeta and as permeable as Reynolds Wrap.
You struck gold with this comment.
So what youre saying, is that we should make some queso? Ill bring the rotel.
You just provoked the best, most thorough laugh I’ve had all Week.
Wow. Just.Freakin’.WOW.
+1 Several people have said the same thing, much more eloquently than I can:
“You can lead someone to knowledge, but you can’t make them think.”
“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into.” — Jonathan Swift
“An honest but mistaken person, once shown the truth, either ceases to be mistaken, or ceases to be honest.”
“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.” — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Is anyone apart from myself a little nauseated by the twit above useing George Washington as their avatar?
I doubt that he is pleased.
Ha you beat me to it. That was my exact first thought, of all the people to pick, they used George Washington? Kind of on opposite ends of the spectrum, maybe King George would have been a good avatar for the US Gun Violence twitter haha
This a quote i keep on my desktop inside of those pesky stick note things:
“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army” – Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island
Why do you say only 100K DGUs a year? The best research on this sets the absolute minimum at 1.5 million. Studies by criminologists have shown that telephone surveys tend to underestimate the number of DGUs. So, given that Kleck put the number at 2.1-2.5 million, which is the best estimate we have on DGUs, he determined that the real number could be closer to over 3 million DGUs per year. Tossing out the number of 100K is just giving in to non-scientific thinking.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I think that’s considered the minimum number of lives saved per year, as opposed to the total number of DGU’s that are done to prevent rape, theft etc.
That’s 100K officially reported DGUs, as in everyone knows — police, media et cetera.
The vast majority are probably like a DKU I had in Народная Республика Калифорнияback during the summer of ’82.
I was a struggling college student attending Berkeley but living in Oakland. One evening I was at the laundromat and had just changed a fiver for some quarters when three toughs on the other side rose and started “inconspicuously” meandering my way.
I casually took out my Buck knife and started cleaning my nails, sparing them not even a glance, and that was that. No report. No conflict. Not a word spoken.
I suspect that untold DGUs go down pretty much like that, and even if instead it’s someone telling a would-be mugger to go ply their trade somewhere else but never reporting it, well…
An interesting new take:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/99-total-population-by-child-and-adult-populations?loc=1&loct=2#detailed/1/any/false/867,133,38,35,18/39,40,41/416,417
There were 237,657,645 American adults in 2011. Some of us MUST have survived while walking by the bodies of fellow children. *rolleyes* I think I can recall about 5 people that died while I was growing up; 3-4 from car accidents, and one from drugs. None from gun deaths.
I also find it offensive that they use George Washington as their avatar who with his fellow colonists took up ARMS to throw off the chains of Tyranny.
“Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”
There’s a reason they call them Brain Dead Liberals.
They never let the truth get in the way of their opinion.
Especially when they just remain anonymous. Unlike the guys here who are open about who they are.
Yep. Like me. I’m a brain-live liberal.
Look, I got into it with a few of these losers on Facebook. The outcome is always the same – I win the argument without calling names, cursing, or anything else, so they all get their little gangs together and report some innocuous thing as “hate speech” so that it gets deleted and as a bonus I get locked out of Facebook for 12 hours.
And then the one I was sparring with blocks me so I can’t return the favor.
They cannot allow the truth to potentially enter they eyes of any of their thralls, lest they opt for a move to RealVille. Therefore the truth must be attacked vigorously.
I’d love to know who some of these anonymous accounts belong to
I use to find it amusing that so called ” adults” act like spoiled rotten brats when things don’t go their way. Every blog or news article that has a reply section has that one person who has no facts to back up their claims, and when faced with evidence that they are wrong, they resort to name calling…..and I swear it is ALWAYS the anti-gunners.
Yeah, I used to find it amusing but now I wish I could reach out and punch these keyboard commandos right in the nose
Of course it’s always the anti-gunners — they’re always wrong.
On other subjects, some People of the Gun likely behave with equal lack of aplomb — with climate change, say, or the merits of quinoa — but on guns we don’t lose and thus never get into a snit.
I find it humorous that their avatar is a picture of George Washington. If anyone knew the value of an armed populace it was that man.
We should use Malcolm X or Martin Luther King as our avatar because both were gun rights advocates (i.e. civil rights advocates)
Episode 347 of US Gun Violence:
“Wake up and never see the truth!”
or
“Face the facts, we’ll never acknowledge them!”
Holy misdirection Batman!
I really wish we would redo those old DGU studies. It is always the time for some good old fashioned scientific rigor.
I agree, and we even have the perfect testing site with CC being granted in Chicago.
I’m amused that they would tweet back in such a dismissive tone, but good job not letting them broadcast nonsense unchallenged.
The gun community has every write to put the facts out there in the internetz to counter some of the ridiculous assertions that can put out by anti-gun folks. We may not convert the diehards, but I’d like to believe there’s plenty of folks in the middle who are open to hearing the TRUTH ABOUT GUNS. Yep.
Wonder what the clinical diagnosis is for people who are at war with reality.
Soldiers of Schizophrenia?
I’ve come to the point in my life where I don’t spend time or energy in arguments unless I have at least SOME hope of persuading the person with whom I am contending.
Mark Twain wrote: “Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
Or to paraphrase Heinlein: “Never try to educate an idiot. It’s a waste of time and besides it annoys the idiot.” (Not that there isn’t some satisfaction in annoying the idiot!)
But we should still engage them
I’d rather do something productive, like teaching my cats to drive a stick shift or shaving my eyeballs.
I gotta start buying eye bleach in the 55 gallon drums. This 1 gallon at a time ain’t cutting it.
Well that’s typical, make them look as stupid as they are and they pull the “im right because I said so” line before storming away.
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