Gun Review: Ruger PC Charger 9mm Pistol

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The Futuristic Tec 9? Nah it works, but it will need a brace for max effectiveness (Travis Pike for TTAG)

Ruger was kind enough to send me their new PC Charger before the public announcement and it’s been hard to keep quiet about it. Finally, though, I can write about it, talk about it, and share my thoughts on this interesting new firearm.

The Ruger PC Carbine has been quite a successful rifle. Ruger was smart when they designed it and clever when they priced it. It’s priced a little above the Keltec SUB2000, but well below the B&Ts, the CZ, the SIGs, and other non-AR pistol caliber carbines.

The Ruger PC Carbine takes GLOCK mags. It seemed inevitable we’d see the Ruger PC Charger Pistol and now, after a lot of rumors, it’s here.

The PC Charger – Down and Dirty

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

Travis Pike for TTAG

The Charger has long been the designation for Ruger’s 10/22 pistol variants, but the PC Charger Pistol, based on Ruger’s PC Carbine Chassis model, is chambered in 9mm. The PC Charger uses the same chassis as the newer tactical model PC Carbine with a Picatinny rail in the rear to accept MCX style stocks or, in this case, braces.

The PC Charger also has a short aluminum M-LOK compatible handguard. The free-floating barrel is 6.50 inches long and retains the takedown compatibility. The barrel is thankfully threaded at ½ x 28 for easy suppressor or muzzle device attachment.

The PC Charger is being released today (it’s not up on Ruger’s site yet) and has an MSRP of $799 MSRP. If the retail price is anything like the PC Carbine in this style chassis, it will sell for a good bit less than that.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

Travis Pike for TTAG

The Ruger PC Charger pistol retains the interchangeable magazine wells of the PC Carbine and comes with both Ruger (SR-9 and Security-9) and GLOCK magazine wells out of the box. The PC Charger ships with a 17-round Ruger Security-9 magazine. I own a GLOCK and tons of GLOCK magazines, so I swapped the mag wells out before I fired a single shot from the gun.

Breaking it Down (Literally)

The PC Charger has a unique look to it. It’s got a simple, clean design. The quality is evident, and while I like the SUB2000, the PC Charger outdoes it quality-wise.

There are no iron sights, but a 7075-T6 aluminum Picatinny rail runs across the top of the receiver and is perfect for mounting a red dot. I also attached a SB Tactical FS1913 folding brace to the rear Pic rail on the gun. This makes the firearm much more comfortable to shoot and fits it perfectly. I’ll be doing a full review of this brace very soon too.

Without the brace the gun is easy to shoot fairly accurately at close ranges. It’s a small, lightweight gun, that’s a little unwieldy without a brace. If you add a brace, the folding FS1913 is a great option, but it’s not the only one. KAK makes a buffer tube adapter so you can use any AR-style brace.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The PC Charger taken down. Stash it wherever. It’s so freakin’ small. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

The breakdown design is neat, and with the folding brace, you get a gun small enough to fit into a big lunch box. Okay, maybe not that small, but it will fit in a small bag very easily in the broken down configuration.

Breaking the PC Charger Pistol down merely requires you to lock your bolt to the rear and then pull and a tab, twist the barrel, and boom, you’re done.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The PC Charger has a reversible magazine release and a crossbolt safety. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

If you’re a lefty, then you’ll be happy to know that both the charging handle and the magazine release are reversible for lefties. Be aware that old school GLOCK magazines may not work with the magazine release set-up for lefties, but I doubt this is a significant problem for most shooters.

I swapped the charging handle to the left side as a right-handed shooter so I can keep a comfortable firing grip while working the action.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

A good looking design. The PC Charger has a threaded barrel, an A2-style grip and ships with a 17-round magazine. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

The safety is a push-button crossbolt style safety placed forward of the trigger. It’s quick and easy to activate in either direction. The M-LOK handguard is very short, and Ruger outfits it with a hand stop to keep your had away from the muzzle.

The rail is just long enough to attach a light…or a section of rail, and then a light depending on your preference. As a short and easily suppressed gun, I can see this as a home defense go-to option.

Dead Blow Action

The PC Charger pistol is a blowback-operated gun, but one of the first things I noticed while shooting it is that it’s a soft shooting blowback gun. In general 9mm blowback PCCs are soft recoiling, but they recoil more than a gas-delayed gun.

A 9mm blowback gun has about the same recoil as a 5.56 carbine. If you compare a Scorpion to a SIG MPX, you’ll feel a big difference. Ruger uses an odd system to reduce recoil and make it softer shooting. Ruger puts a 9.4-ounce tungsten weight inside of its 10.2 ounce bolt.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The big bolt has a big weight in it to cut felt recoil. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

Dead-blow action is a reference to a dead blow hammer. The dead blow action reduces bolt travel rearward and ensures complete travel forward. Having that massive bolt ram rearwards a little less means less felt recoil. It’s a neat idea and seems to work as advertised. I can feel a noticeable difference between the little PC Charger pistol and my ScorpionvEVO S2 Micro

The PC Charger In Action

This thing is so much fun to shoot! It’s a handy and light little gun that’s completely controllable.

It’s small enough to be a good little gun for new shooters, especially kids just graduating from .22 LR into centerfire calibers. The PC Charger Pistol, when equipped with a red dot, is an impressive and fun little gun to shoot.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

It’s a little clumsy without a brace attached. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

Without a brace, it’s also a little hefty and unwieldy. It’s like a Tec 9 in a lot of ways, but much more refined, and you have less recoil than that design. A brace is a real must-have for this gun, and I’d make it part of my budget when buying one.

The PC Charger’s trigger is good, on a par with a decent AR trigger. It breaks below five pounds and is very crisp and well done with a stiff, but short wall that breaks very cleanly.

Don’t tell the President, but this thing is insanely easy to bump fire. With a red dot, I went back to 75 yards and fired 10 rounds with about a second between shots at a 10-inch gong. I missed two of the ten.

It’s plenty accurate at 9mm ranges, and at 100 yards, I got about 7 MOA out of it with some high-quality SIG SAUER M17 ammo from the bench.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

Much better with the FS1913 folding brace. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

Loading up a 33-round GLOCK magazine and sending rounds it twos or threes downrange is all kinds of fun. I pulled out a few snap drills, failure to stop drills, box drills, and more.

Being able to shoot fast and accurately with very little practice makes this such a fun gun. It’s a blast when weapons challenge me (like the Mossberg Shockwave), but it’s also fun to relax with a smooth shooter.

That makes me think this would be an great choice for home defense. This is an excellent gun for shooters with reduced strength who may not have the time or inclination to train with other weapons.

It’s lightweight, easy to handle, the controls are foolproof, and at home defense ranges, it might as well be a laser. Tack on a red dot and a light, and you have a great little gun with plenty of capacity that will likely be quite affordable and feeds from commonly sourced magazines. That’s a win-win situation.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The smooth recoil impulse is impressive. (Travis Pike for TTAG)

The PC Charger’s ergonomics are spot on. The magazine release is placed just right for fast reloads, and the swappable charging handle is a big plus. The handguard is plenty comfortable and while short, it gives you enough room to get a good grip on the gun.

Ruger PC Charger Pistol 9mm

The PC Charger’s glass-filled polymer chassis allows for the mounting of standard AR grips.(Travis Pike for TTAG)

The PC Charger ate a steady diet of various ammo types without complaining. Accuracy testing was done with SIG 124 grain JHPs and most of the testing was done with SIG 115 grain FMJs. I also tried out some cheap Monarch and Tula steel case rounds, and the gun never choked.

I used GLOCK OEM magazines, ETS, KCI, Magpul, and Amend2 and never had an issue with any magazine in the PC Charger Pistol.

Ruger will offer the gun as both an almost freedom model with a 17 round magazine and not as free model with a 10 round magazine for all of those states.

Specifications: Ruger PC Charger Pistol

Caliber: 9mm
Barrel Length: 6.5 inches
Overall Length: 16.5 inches
Weight: 5.2 pounds
Capacity: 10 to 50 rounds (one 17-round magazine included)
Barrel: Blued Alloy steel, threaded 1/2-28
MSRP: $799 (similiar pistol caliber carbines are around $600 street)

Ratings (Out of Five Stars):

Ergonomics * * * * * (With Brace) Without brace (* * * 1/2)
A brace is really a must-have here. That’s the key to the gun’s impressive ergonomics. I have no other complaints. If I wanted to reach I could say something about a reciprocating charging handle, but I honestly never noticed it. This is a very well-designed gun.

Reliability * * * * *
Not a single issue with any of the ammo used in the review. From high-quality SIG match grade ammunition to bargain bin Tula, it all goes bang. Also, it had excellent compatibility with a variety of GLOCK magazines.

Accuracy * * * *
Keeping in mind that the PC Charger is a 9mm handgun, I’m fairly impressed. A 7 MOA AR-15 wouldn’t be acceptable, but for a gun in 9mm with a 6.5-inch barrel and a brace, I find that to be more than adequate.

Customize This * * * *
It’s not at AR-15 or GLOCK levels of customization, but the aftermarket is actually quite large. I’m genuinely surprised that there are this many upgrades already out there. While most are aimed at the PC Carbine, most will work with the PC Charger pistol. When are we gonna get those aftermarket integrally suppressed barrels?

Overall * * * * 1/2
This is one of my favorite new 9mm sub guns. It’s such a blast to shoot and handles very easily. Ruger took a simple gun like the PC Carbine and translated it into an amazing little pistol. Put a brace on it and it’s very good to go.

comments

  1. avatar Gregory Peter DuPont says:

    Might be an interesting companion piece to my American 9, assuming magazine compatibility…

    1. avatar Jeff in CO says:

      You just have to purchase the optional magazine well, just like the regular PC carbine. The SR/Security-9 & Glock wells come standard.

      https://shopruger.com/PC-Carbine-Magazine-Well-Insert-Assembly-American-Pistol/productinfo/90655/

    2. avatar Madcapp says:

      Barrel is too short…again. Look, the advantage of a PCC/PDW is to step up the velocity to increase the range and effectiveness. PCC/PDW barrels need to be 8-10 inches.

      1. avatar Travis Pike says:

        That’s not true. The difference in velocity from aonger barrel length is incredibly small with 9mm

        1. avatar SoCalJack says:

          And like you mentioned it would be a HD option. I’m thinkin’ it would be a great HD option for the family. Lil Jimmey can handle this better than a handgun, AR, or shotgun…”Dad CLEAR!”

        2. avatar David says:

          This is true. BBTI ballistic chart for 115 grain Federal JHP (for one example) is:

          6″: 1,188 fps
          7″: 1,223 fps
          8″: 1,234 fps
          9″: 1,238 fps
          10″: 1,253 fps

          So from 6.5″ barrel to 10″ barrel is only an increase of about 53 fps, give or take. That’s not really going to change the effectiveness of any round.

        3. avatar Madcapp says:

          You don’t understand the issue…its energy, not velocity, and the increase is exponential…meaning a 50 fps increase results in a more meaningful energy increase from 1175 to 1225 fps than it is from say 700 to 750 fps. Using the BBTI chart, 124gr Federal H.S. is 352 ft/lbs from a 6″ barrel, and 404 ft/lbs out of a 10″ barrel. I’ll take the extra 15% increase in power and extra barrel length. If Ruger only offers a 6.5″ barrel, I’ll take a Glock 34 instead for the much better concealability compared to a PCC/PDW.

      2. avatar ok says:

        And I agree, was hoping to see a 8 1/2 or 10 inch option on barrel length. I have always been of the same thought. Any increase is good. Maybe they will come out with something longer in the future.

        1. avatar No one of consequence says:

          But, given the design of modern hollow points, is faster always better? Would going much faster than the average 4-5″ pistol barrel cause, say, premature expansion and failure to penetrate properly? I don’t know myself, would love to see gel tests on this.

      3. avatar duroSIG556R says:

        I’m with you. Sig quit offering their 8″ model, so I had to go Grandpower Stribog. If you’re going to offer a pcc ‘pistol’ it better come with something a cut above a handgun. Otherwise I can just get a glock and one of those stock/pistol adapters.

      4. avatar TP11 says:

        9mm cartridges were designed for pistol length barrels (fast burning powder) so does great out of a short barrel, as opposed to a 5.56 which was designed for rifle (not carbine) length barrels (slow burning powder) and loses a ton out of short barrels.

        1. avatar DFW Patriot says:

          9mm picks up quite a bit of power from a longer barrel, compared to say a .45acp or 10mm.

      5. avatar Ser Thomas says:

        I don’t disagree for a SHTF or Grid down WROL situation. I live on 6 acres of land, and I don’t have a need for anything over 75 yards. Shooting somebody at more than 25-40 yards in the city or suburbs is no longer self defense, It becomes assassination. You would not want a gun hating jury at your trial. I like this little pistol. I like the length.

      6. avatar DFW Patriot says:

        Madcapp – Agreed on the barrel length. 8-10in is optimal for this class and caliber.

  2. avatar Jack Griffin says:

    Sold! You had me at Tec-9.

  3. avatar Art out West says:

    Looks like fun

    1. avatar 41mag says:

      Off topic, I got my BP-12 shotgun this weekend. Feels nice and backpackable for hikes into bear country.

      Anyone else have the BP-12?

      1. avatar Salty says:

        Vepr 12 master race. Get away from me with that Muslim gaaaaahhhhbage

        Haha but srsly, what are you doing here’!?

  4. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    I don’t understand the appeal of firearms in this vein. They are too long and front-heavy to comfortably hold and shoot in one hand. And yet they are too short to comfortably hold with two hands — and stupid to try and hold with two hands anyway since they do not have a butt stock. And finally, they don’t extend the barrel enough to make it significant in terms of increased accuracy and muzzle velocity and decreased report.

    If a carbine with a 16-inch barrel (or a “short-barreled” rifle with a 12-inch barrel) isn’t short enough, you are not doing something correctly.

    1. avatar Travis Pike says:

      You wouldnt get a significant velocity increase from a move to 12 inches and accuracy and same for inherent accuracy

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        A longer barrel would not yield any increase in intrinsic accuracy. Rather, a longer barrel provides a much longer sight radius — assuming that you are using iron sights. (Of course a longer barrel is irrelevant to sight radius if you are using a red-dot sight or a scope.)

        And I stand corrected on any significant velocity boost from barrel length. According to the website Ballistics by the Inch, we can expect a muzzle velocity of about 1,250 fps out of a four-inch barrel and a muzzle velocity of about 1,350 fps out of a 16-inch barrel (for 115 grain bullets) which is not a significant increase.

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          You are correct, uncommon. However, the ballistics charts I’ve always referred to show an average of about 1175 fps for 9mm target ball out of a 4-in barrel, and about 1300 out of a 16-in carbine barrel. If you use +P loads, you’re up to about 1375.

          I’d say the additional 200 ft per second of velocity for a bullet’s mass is respectable, and a 1375 fps 120g projectile coming at you would ruin your day.

          My preference? A 10mm G20 on the hip coupled with a 10mm CMMG at the shoulder, both with Buffalo Bore loads, would make for a perfect loadout.

        2. avatar Andrew Lias says:

          I went from 929 to 1140 with my 4″ SD9VE vs my 16″ AR9. That’s pretty decent IMO. Now then a 7″ barrel vs a 4″ barrel I’m really meh about.

        3. avatar mike says:

          You get 22% more velocity and 50% more energy out of a 9mm with the 16 in. barrell.
          I have seen some +P+ rounds 9bple that are rated at 1300 fps out of a pistol.so out of the carbine you’re pushing close to 1500 fps…….thats some zing!

      2. avatar Big Bill says:

        A question:
        If you shoot a perp with bullet “A” at 1300fps, and then shoot the perp with bullet “A” at 1500fps, will he notice a real difference?
        For those who don’t quite understand the question, at HD ranges, is there really a difference between the different velocities?

        1. avatar Ser Thomas says:

          I’m curious. What (In your personal estimation) are HD ranges? Not testing you, just seeking another POV.

    2. avatar Hannibal says:

      Without a stock they have little purpose. With a stock, er, stabilizer, they are a poor man’s smg. Some increase in accuracy over most pistols but the stability of shooting with three points of contact and in 9mm for the applications that is used for (and cheaper with).

      Were it not for the NFA these would be a non-issue.

    3. avatar Killtron says:

      These aren’t made to be used like a pistol, they are to be fitted with a brace and shot like a rifle. Fitted with a brace they are far easier to shoot than a pistol. I always see a lot of people arguing that they would rather have a Glock 34, but most people simply aren’t that great of a shot with a pistol compared to a PCC like this fitted with a brace. Head shots are relatively easy at 25 yards and hits on a man sized target can be made beyond 100 yards. Most can’t do that with a G34.

      Besides they are fun to shoot, cheaper to shoot than a 5.56 carbine and they can be shot on almost any indoor range. If you live in an apartment and don’t want to be seen dragging a rifle case to your car these fit great in a laptop case or a backpack.

  5. avatar Sam I Am says:

    These rifle pistols are like bump stocks to me. I see not use for them, but if you want one you should be able to have one.

  6. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    And I thought that Ruger 57 sounded useless.

    1. avatar WI Patriot says:

      Just wait, I’m sure there are more coming…

      1. avatar Mike says:

        Make this charger in 5.7

        1. avatar Wood says:

          Oooooooo……… 😎

  7. avatar LifeSavor says:

    I will start saving my pennies….

  8. avatar GS650G says:

    Next up .40 and. 45 versions.

    1. avatar Just Sayin says:

      10mm
      10mm
      10mm
      10mm
      10mm

      Ruger? Ruger?

      1. avatar Salty says:

        I’m holding out hope for the eventual ruger sig 365 killer. Modular of course.

        Git-r-dun ruger!!!

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Either 10 or 357 would be great but I would imagine some extra work in handling the pressure increase could slow development.

        2. avatar Ser Thomas says:

          and, what a sweet .380 this would make ! LOL Hey, if we survive the C Virus, we “recoil sensitive” shooters, deserve a reward. First time shooters, and even youngsters growing into centerfire, as mentioned in the article, would love it too. I hope they make it in all calibers to please us all.

      2. avatar Anner says:

        That was my dream as well. A Ruger rep at SHOT 2018 broke one down for me and showed me how much room is available for the buffer in the recoil system. As setup for 9mm, there’s little room for any additional delay. .40 maybe, but .45/10mm are out of the picture as currently configured. It would take an overhaul of the recoil system for anything larger or much higher pressure. Not to say they can’t, cause good god they’d sell a bazillion, but it’s a larger project than a simple spring change and/or modularity with the 9mm platform.

        All said, if released in .45 or 10mm I’ll buy a half dozen.

        1. avatar Big Bill says:

          You mention limits to this gun as-built.
          I would say Ruger did their homework, and those limits are there for a reason. They could have easily designed it with the room for the components needed for 10mm, but they obviously didn’t. (To think that someone at Ruger, at some point, didn’t say, “Hey, why not make it so we could go to 10 later?” is absurd.)
          Why didn’t they? I don’t know (I also don’t know why they didn’t consult with you and me on this, but hey, that’s life).
          Maybe they figured the market isn’t there. Maybe there’s another model coming out later that will use 10mm. Maybe they figure 10mm just isn’t the hot number some think it is. I dunno.
          But, in my opinion, Ruger knew what they were doing. We’ll just have to wait and see what’s next.

        2. avatar BobS says:

          I agree 10mm is good for what it does, but .45 would be wonderful paired with an integrally suppressed forward section. It’s heavy and naturally subsonic, especially well suited for enclosed spaces, at distances like the length of a bedroom hallway.

          I wonder if a Ruger PC Carbine or PC Charger in 10mm would share at least the action size with one in .45, for ease of conversion between the two calibers? If so, how about a 10mm forward section for outdoors and one in .45 for indoors?

          That relatively simple caliber convertibility is one of the attractive features of TNW’s Aero Survival Pistol.

  9. avatar StuckInIllinoisistan says:

    Not William B. Ruger approved. 👍

  10. avatar Dude says:

    From Ruger:
    “Ships with SR-Series™ and Security-9® pistol magazine well installed and an additional magazine well accepting Glock® magazines is included*. Ruger American® Pistol magazine wells are available at ShopRuger.com.”

    Are they admitting that the Ruger American Pistol isn’t very popular?

  11. avatar Chadwick says:

    So much hate for a gun that would be a nice pairing with my suppressor. 9mm subs are cheaper than 45, more powerful than 22lr, and much much cheaper than 300 blackout. 9mm pistol carbines are fun and if you don’t want to lose your hearing because someone chose the wrong house… Yeah it could work for that too.
    Ruger pc charger- I want!

  12. avatar DrewN says:

    Can you swap the barrels straight up with the carbine? If so,will Ruger sell the pistol barrel as a stand alone?

    1. avatar Travis Pike says:

      Yes and probably not. A rifle cant become a pistol but a pistol can become a rifle

  13. avatar M10 says:

    @Travis, is the hand stop included or was that your addition? Great review as always!

    1. avatar Travis Pike says:

      Included with the gun

  14. avatar Coolbreeze says:

    Did you ever just look at a gun and say to yourself, “Man, I need one of those!”

  15. avatar Broke_It says:

    Dammit Ruger, I feel like I’m just paying myself back off the stock dividends. Or maybe I’ve got more of an ouroboros situation on my hands. Of course I’m buying this. Side bar, are the Ruger 57’s shipping? I’m on almost 2 months wait for the one I ordered in January.

    1. avatar Big Bill says:

      It appears that the 57 is shipping on a very limited basis, from what I can see by searching the interwebs. You’ll bay full price or close to it.

  16. avatar GS650G says:

    Hopefully it won’t be unobtainable like the sub2000 or pmr30 ended up being. Ruger does have better manufacturing capability though.

    1. avatar Anner says:

      Tell me where online, upon waiting 3+mo after initial release, you could not acquire any Kel-Tec product at MSRP or below. This is an absolute myth based on folks not seeing them on the shelf at their LGS. I have a lot of complaints vs Kel-Tec, but availability after a reasonable waiting period after initial release isn’t one of them. Kel-Tec only invests its own cash capital, zero debt. It does slow the production chain a bit, but that’s the capitalist dream.

  17. avatar JB says:

    In the “Accuracy” section at the end of the review it says 7 MOA. I’m surprised that anyone would find that adequate.

    1. avatar Just Sayin says:

      You nailed it.
      That said, it is also an indictment on the article. Previous standards (more professional?) would have both pictures of targets (marked with appropriate info on ammo used, distance, etc.) and chrono data of ammo used.
      Surely the author has to understand that “breaking the lead” on this new Ruger brings with it a certain gravitas. The review is a C. Shoulda, woulda, coulda been an A.

      C’mon maaaaan…..

      1. avatar Travis Pike says:

        Ruger moved the release date up 9 days I ran out of time.

        1. avatar Just Sayin says:

          Thank you for that reply. After sleeping on it I realized that you, like I, have a day job, plus you write. I’m not sure I could have done any better within those time constraints.
          Perhaps a scripted protocol for future reviews could help to move you thru the process faster w/o forgetting little things.
          Thnx for the article AND breaking the news about one more thing that’s gonna cost me $$$.

    2. avatar Just Sayin says:

      I want add that I was rather tough on the author because of my experience with my Ruger PCC. It will shoot one MOA @ 25 yds using factory sights. As an existentialist, I want more info, I need more info. I cannot believe this firearm is as inaccurate as the author holds. I believe that the issue here is the Indian, not the arrow.

      1. avatar Travis Pike says:

        Your PCC has a stock right? This does not. It has a brace thats perfect for this style of gun but its like an AK undfoerfolder when it comes to cheekweld.

        Its also very short and if you look at the pictures I wrap round it like a gorilla.

        At the end of the day a brace is great but its not a stock

    3. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

      {7 MOA} “I’m surprised that anyone would find that adequate.”

      With a can on it for home defense, it would be for me…

    4. avatar Travis Pike says:

      6 to 7 moa is pretty standard for a 9mm subgun thing in my experience.
      From the scorpion to the MPX

  18. avatar enuf says:

    Needs to work with drum magazines.

    1. avatar Big Bill says:

      Is there some reason it won’t?

      1. avatar enuf says:

        Yes. Drum magazines are designed to be supported by the full length of a pistol grip’s magazine well. So, there is no wobble from all the weight of the full drum at the end of the vertical stack.

        In the Ruger PC Carbine the magazine is forward of the trigger group. So a drum hangs in free space at the end of the mostly unsupported vertical stack portion of the drum assembly. This is a weight at the end of a lever arm, and it wobbles a bunch, creating mis-feeds. There are a bunch of YouTube videos showing this.

        Either a better magazine adapter is needed to offer support to drums, or a drum with a short vertical stack must be tried. Had I the time and money to play with I wold buy some drums and some JB Weld and experiment with trimming the vertical stack portion down, bringing the weight of the drump up tight to the underside of the mag well.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Yes. Drum magazines are designed to be supported by the full length of a pistol grip’s magazine well.”

          All this is quibbling over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. True happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

  19. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Hmm,got Glock magazines, might have to take a look..

  20. avatar DrewR55 says:

    If someone sells a CZ Scorpion mag well I will be all over this.

  21. avatar Stuck in NJ says:

    Another gun that the People’s Republic of New Jersey won’t allow because they classify it as an “assault weapon” due to its weight, threaded barrel, and the magazine outside the pistol grip which makes it look scary and assault-y to hoplophobes!

  22. avatar TY_RUGER says:

    About. F-ing. Time.

  23. avatar BobS says:

    Another new product pre-emptively banned from California because of the closed Handgun Roster.

    1. avatar SoCalJack says:

      Could this even be made into one of those featureless Kriss Vectors being sold in CA? I’m thinkin’ the Ruger PCC is the best option us CA folks have.

      1. avatar BobS says:

        That Kriss starts with a carbine and damages the ergonomics until it’s no longer too scary (for now) for California’s proles. The Ruger PC Carbine has a stock so it’s also subject to those same rules.

        This PC Charger is a pistol (no stock) so the State has a different regime to keep it away from its subjects.

  24. avatar hawkeye says:

    I’ve been looking at firearms like this for a year or so, and to date this is the first one to approach the status of becoming The One For Me. They are getting closer, but not yet enough to induce me to open my wallet.

  25. avatar BusyBeef says:

    So it’s a Ruger PC Carbine that’s smaller and costs more.
    Have they been hanging out with Porsche’s marketing department?

  26. avatar Mark H says:

    Still waiting for a PC 45…

  27. avatar N8sguntalk says:

    Will brace still fold flush with charging handle on the left side?

    1. avatar Wood says:

      Great question, I’m sure it depends on model. Is the path of the reciprocating handle clear, can it be fired while folded?

    2. avatar HD7054 says:

      With the charging handle on the left, you can reverse the brace to fold to the right so there is no interference.

  28. avatar Wmagada says:

    So basically a standard entry that kicks more, has a shorter barrel, will cost more when you get a brace, and will take glock mags. This isn’t selling me this over the stribog or an updated akv….

  29. avatar Gary McMurtrie says:

    I wants one. Build it in 10mm, and I’ll gets me one……..

  30. avatar Wererat says:

    So … it looks as if the barrel from the PCC is the same mechanism as this… are they swappable? Long barrel Charger or short PCC at will?

  31. avatar STEVEN STURGEN says:

    I was thinking. you can buy the carbine for 550. on sale. It costs 200+ for the stock /brace for the charger plus the charger costs about 700. You need to spend 150 to have any type of sights on the pistol and thats optional on the carbine. So 200+150+150 to have a pc charger that would be 10 inchs shorter than the carbine. That ‘s assuming stock brace and 6.5 barrel versus carbine with 16 in barrel. I’d love to have the charger but I don’t know if the numbers really work out.

    Steve

  32. avatar Pappameaux says:

    Man you guys are brutal! Never fear Ruger is secretly moving behind the scenes to build the .45 and 10 mm versions you power hungry powder poppers are praying for. I’m sure they are smarter than the average bears that spend most of their time designing well thought out guns.

  33. avatar Sam says:

    While the charger seems like it would be fun at the range And i wouldn’t mind renting one I am honestly more interested in the full length model or a true SBR with a Suppressor (an integrally Suppressed model would be perfect). I have been checking the Ruger website every few weeks hoping for a .45 APC model to come out. .45 is my preferred pistol cartridge and i reload extensively enough that i have to cost down to about $0.12 per round. But the primary reason is firing sub sonic rounds from a suppressed firearm would be much more quite and make it more fun at the range. I am hoping that when a .45 model does come out it will have a magwell for 1911 mags, it would be nice to use the same mags as my carry pistol. But i also wouldn’t be to opposed to buying a higher capacity .45 if i can find one that feels right.

  34. avatar mick says:

    This would be a great firearm for police and security forces with a 10” barrel and suppressor capable.

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