From the Firearms Policy Coalition . . .
Earlier this week, California Attorney General Rob Bonta boasted in a press release that his Department of Justice had created a firearms dashboard portal to increase “transparency,” which resulted in the wholesale exposure of the personal information–including license to carry information–related to the gun owners who have complied with California’s onerous gun restrictions.
There is no way to sugarcoat the horrible violation of trust committed against Californians this week. What is most troubling, though, is that this was completely foreseeable. Be it by malice or incompetence, countless times throughout history, when the people have entrusted the government with sensitive information–information which, in the wrong hands, could do great harm–we have seen that trust broken.
The simple, time-proven fact is that the government cannot be trusted with lists relating to gun owners.
Doubly frustrating is that the people who have had their personal details and their status as gun owners or carry licensees, are the very people who have gone out of their way to jump through all the flaming hoops imposed by California, just to be able to exercise their fundamental right to an effective self-defense. Now these peaceable people have been put in jeopardy.
The possibility of the targeting of this population not only for the firearms themselves, but for the myriad reasons that people sought out the licenses in the first place.
FPC will continue to be vigilant in fighting policies that lead to these terrible results. Until we have succeeded in eliminating government lists of peaceable people, we must all remember our government can only be trusted to do what the government will always end up doing with lists of gun owners — cause them harm.
No law suit?
At least one lawsuit has already been filed. Haven’t seen the actual complaint, but I’ve seen two news reports of the filing (assuming they were both referring to the same suit). Not that, in the era of the execrable, judge-made law of “qualified immunity” the plaintiffs are likely to recover anything, but one can hope.
As I suggested many moons ago…Those in favor of Gun Control can display it proudly by wearing a yellow arm band. That way if I see one of them getting robbed, beaten, kidnapped and screwed by a dirtbag I can just keep on going without involving myself with saving a worthless, pathetic Gun Control pos wearing a yellow armband.
Now if a despicable democRat Turd like bonta provides a sick dirtbag with my address and the dirtbag shows up to harm this household…God Willing I am going to load said dirtbag up with lead and dump their corpse on bonta’s doorsteps.
Qualified immunity should not apply in cases of negligence on malice. Which in the case of .gov means almost never.
I read yesterday that a couple of pro-gun orgs (including FPC?) are preparing their paperwork to sue.
Bonta’s “oopsie” is exactly why I have only one single gunn registered, and only because it was required by CA in order for me to even apply for a CCW.
Any update on the status of your CCW?
Nope. Been a full year now. The interviewing Deputy told me the final approval phase should be completed with 90 days. That deadline came and went, and this time my emails to the CCW Unit are not being answered.
I read a news article yesterday stating that Villanueva has directed the Dept to update its procedures to comply with the elimination of the “good cause” requirement and related interview, but since I already jumped through that hoop a while ago, I’m not sure why mine’s still being delayed. Of the multiple people I personally know who also applied last year, only one received his permit…within less than 90 days total…and because he knew someone in the CCW Unit and was able to get some strings pulled.
I’ve been maintaining a chronological file all this time, just in case I decide to write an article for TTAG to consider.
Haz, I would not be surprised if applications are processes last in, first out. And it takes a while to reach the applications at the bottom of the in tray.
I remember a friend whose reapplication took 9 months after the expiration of his license, and he put the reapplication in a month before. He could have kept shooting at the range as the licenses are considered valid after the expiration while the reapplication is being processed. But did not want to get found with guns in his car, an expired license, and by a lawful-stupid cop.
So all the other gunms you own were bought privately?
The 4473 form is registration.
Private sale, ‘Marsupial One’… 🙂
All others in my collection were acquired previously via inheritance or private assembly, before their respective “loopholes” were closed and CA law began to require registration for those avenues as well.
I’ve never purchased a gunn privately, though I’m envious of my fellow Free Americans who can do so.
Seeing as how government is an all-powerful vengeful partisan entity regardless of who holds the reins they cannot and should not be trusted with any list.
Government can’t be trusted with ANYTHING. FIFY
If one looks at the original constitution and bill of rights, our founding fathers trusted the government with very little.
I can use the list to look up which people aren’t carrying and would be the most defenseless victims….
We are led to believe that per federal law the 4473 is NOT registration and the data submitted for the NICS is expunged within 24 hours of the determination being returned. Only in certain cases can that data be held longer than 3 days.
It is also a violation of law for that data to be compiled in any searchable database. Even the FFL Bound Books of closed dealers must be held only in its original form, not collected in a database.
Whether or not the BATFE or FBI are following this law is yet another question, but it seems as if with the amount of data input and storage required keeping such an illegal project secret would be a difficult undertaking.
Oops, I misspelled my name. My bad, fixed it.
And I don’t give a flying fornication if it’s a Republican government, a Dimocrat government, or a “third party” government. NONE. OF. THE. GOVERNMENT’S. GODDAM. BUSINESS. And I trust government at about the same level as I “trust” MinorIQ and dacian the stupid. And all are equally predictable – if they are saying ANYTHING, they are lying.
Best example I can point to for doing away with qualified immunity for LEO’s. As California’s top LEO his actions have knowingly, willfully jeopardized thousands of legitimate CA firearm owners by making them targets for social cancellation, discrimination from woke businesses / orgs as well as doxxing them so that criminals can predate upon them, their families and possessions. He should be held personally responsible and sued to oblivion and disgrace…a life sentence in San Quentin for violating thousands of people’s Constitutional Rights would be a fitting end for this POS.
He belongs in a federal prison.
Back in 2010, the Ramsey County (Mn.) sheriff made the ccw list available for a charity event, and all of us that recieved an invitation went immediately apeshit on him. Of course the county attorney failed to charge him with a privacy violation, as it was ruled not to be “willful”. He was handily trounced at the next election due to everyone that had a permit making sure to vote. He was unfortunately reelected in 2020, after promising to be a good boy.
I thought California was part of The United States of America, guess not.
At some future date it will be called pacific ocean.
No, it’s the capital of the socialists states of north america.
Here we go again with the censors, i mean moderation freaks.
California is the capital of the woke states of america.
California is the capital of the socialist states of america.
Hasn’t been for decades, possum . . . which is why I got the hell out.
They probably could have just gone with “Government cannot be trusted” for the headline. Everything after that is kinda unnecessary. They pretty well screw up everything they get anywhere near.
What will it take for the San Andreas fault to crack and Commiefornia to fall into the Pacific? Asking for a friend! 😉
I dont know about you but I certainly dont want that to happen.
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A place I can call my Own
I’m going to make you just like me.
It’s kinda silly, isn’t it, that the G doesn’t trust us with guns, but we have to trust the G with armies and weapons of mass destruction.
Government is a RICO conspiracy.
There aut’a be a law…..
“FPC: Governments Can’t Be Trusted With Lists of Firearms Owners”
Partial credit…if you just said “Governments can’t be trusted” then you would have gotten it exactly right. Even good government can be taken over by those with evil in their hearts and they will use that government to crush anyone they perceive as an enemy. This is what the Left does.
Does qualified immunity cover intentional malicious conduct? That is what this was, intentional malicious conduct. That in itself should be a basis for removal for ethical misconduct.
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Country definitely needs to expand it’s mental healthcare…
Gaush Dernit Gubmit.
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Anyone see the NRA lately? Lol. Fucking crickets.
They didn’t do shit when the info was given to “researchers” and they won’t do shit now. All they do is ask. “Hey guys, stahp, k?”. Useless organization.
No, just yesterday they asked for $45 by mail from me… hey pal, where did you and your checkbook go??
Whether ‘they’ can be trusted of not the fact is that it’s a ‘fait accompli’. That’s the whole purpose of a haveing any kind of ‘licensing’ or ‘official’ register. In some archive somewhere it’s probable that your Granddad’s, even great Granddad’s bloody dog license is buried. For certain his birth, death, marriage, divorce, home ownership, mortgage details, ‘criminal’ records, passport details, Enlistment, Discharge and Service records right back to the Civil War are and can be accessed by anyone with the will to do so.
So what makes you think that the LEGAL POSSESSION and license requirements for firearms are not recorded somewhere and available as well to those that need them?
Every single SERIAL NUMBER of every single legally purchase/owned firearm in the USA is also recorded – all ONE BILLION of them- and then there’s every single serial number of every single Military weapon as well and their original Unit of Issue. Until, that is, they are reduced to the scrap heap.
In fact whilst serving in the UK ROYAL AIR FORCE I was seconded for a brief period to a unit doing just that as an observer -reducing to scrap obselete and U/S weaponry. In my case rusted old SMLE’ .303 and .45 Army Revolvers. Some where along the line Ser No’s were recorded. Incidently hundreds of brand new/unused Lee-Enfield N04’s also came through and were ‘greased’ up for long term storage or for eventual disposal.
Back in the 60’s I believe there was actually a quite active market for them and for a basic bolt action they are still to this day hard to beat.
Indeed a CASED LEE-ENFIELD No4 ‘Special Model T Sniper Set’ complete with SCOPE and Accessories and all matching Serials can fetch thousands of dollars.