Cops Running Out of Bullets Police Procedure by Robert Farago | Jan 09, 2013 | 87 comments facebook twitter linkedin email comments Mr aNINNYmouse says: January 9, 2013 at 19:04 Didn’t someone on a thread earlier say just how little “critical training” cops actually do?… Reply Daniel Silverman says: January 9, 2013 at 20:16 Now is the time to get a reloading business going for the boys in blue! Reply Jordanvraptor says: January 9, 2013 at 19:07 Awwwwwww poor babies… Reply reoiv says: January 9, 2013 at 19:08 Well if the cops can’t get bullets that means the bad guys can’t get them either right? Reply Barstow Cowboy says: January 9, 2013 at 19:13 Comments for this post should be locked now, because no one can top what this guy^ just posted. That is all. Reply Mr aNINNYmouse says: January 9, 2013 at 19:18 Motion seconded…. Reply Doug says: January 9, 2013 at 19:09 For some reason I don’t feel bad for the government when the government can’t get ammo because the government is threatening to ban or tax heavily. I also don’t feel particularly bad that the government’s enforcement arm can’t fit it’s twice a year live fire exercise in time. It’s clearly worthless since cops are such terrible shots, unless they’re shooting puppies then they’re freaking Robocop. Just keep a box or two around so Barney Fife can refill his magazines after plugging a black kid in the back 6 times because he was fleeing aggressively and you’ll be fine. Reply APBTFan says: January 9, 2013 at 19:11 They can thank the Dems for that. The Feds seem to have plenty. Maybe the local PD’s should hit them up for ammo. Reply AaronW says: January 9, 2013 at 20:00 Yup…. redistribute some of those 450 million DHS rounds? Reply Hinshelworld says: January 9, 2013 at 20:14 You know they did right… DHS doesn’t actually have many armed personnel. Some of the agencies that work under DHS do, but DHS itself. No. DHS provides huge quantities of support to state and local emergency response agencies. Your local PD or fire dept most likely has DHS funded gear or training. Reply Shire-man says: January 9, 2013 at 19:11 So who’s going to do Feinsteins door-kicking and confiscating then? Reply OkieRim says: January 9, 2013 at 19:12 she can back that big butt up and have one of her hunting buddies push her through the door Reply rosignol says: January 10, 2013 at 02:01 I think you want the fetish site two IP addresses thattaway -> [shudder] Reply Jarhead1982 says: January 9, 2013 at 20:18 Her flying monkeys and green faced cossaks! But be prepared to throw a bucket of water and she will melt, guaranteed! Reply pwrserge says: January 10, 2013 at 00:43 Hey, leave us cossacks out of this one. Most Russians who live in the US would be more than happy to help you guys out against the likes of Barry and Feinstein. We’ve lived under a dictatorship once, we’re not eager to do so again. (We also know a little something about making tyrants a head shorter, or introducing them to a terminal case of lead poisoning.) Reply OkieRim says: January 9, 2013 at 19:11 I find this very hard to believe. Maybe some smaller agencies, or agencies in large, urban, anti-gun cities that are broke, but I still see ammo on LGS shelves every day…9mm, 45, 40, etc Reply GC says: January 9, 2013 at 19:18 True, but it’s the real expensive stuff that is all that’s left. The winchester white box is long gone. Reply In Memphis says: January 9, 2013 at 19:47 I cant find .40 at any LGS’ or WalMarts. Time to learn how to reload but hell I can hardly find reloading dies for .40 Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 20:18 Good luck finding pistol primers. I put my reloading press purchase on hold when I realized I couldn’t find a supply of the appropriate pistol primers anywhere. Which REALLY sucks because I’m not going to be competing in any pistol matches this spring unless I can start reloading, and I’m not going to be able to reload if I can’t get primers. Reply matt says: January 9, 2013 at 20:21 You can reload primers with match heads, unfortunately the compounds in them are corrosive. Mikeinid says: January 9, 2013 at 22:03 There is still stuff coming in. I saw 4 thousand pc. boxes at a local store today. Not sure how long they lasted, but if you are there, you can still get stuff. Just got to keep checking. AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 22:51 matt, if I’m reduced to reloading .40 cartridges with matchheads, then the gun-grabbers have won. Mikeinid, good to know. I haven’t had any time to stop by the few stores within driving distance that carry reloading supplies. Maybe this weekend. Cyrano says: January 10, 2013 at 08:18 http://www.natchezss.com/Category.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=CC&prodID=CC0078&prodTitle=CCI®#500 APS Small Pistol Primers 1000/box get them before they are out. Thomas Paine says: January 9, 2013 at 19:53 funny but i went to the local ‘Law Enforcement Supply’ gun shop that is open to the public. I found out they were an RCBS dealer, and i asked if they had any RCBS dies. NOBODY knew what the heck i was talking about. Then i found one .45 die in the clearance boxes. I realized that they don’t have to reload, the taxpayers pay for the practice ammo. Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 20:20 The only custom loads you might, possibly, find in a local LEO armory would be rifle rounds for the SWAT designated marksmen. Everything else is factory loads to keep the liability lawyers at bay. Reply Underwater Mike says: January 9, 2013 at 19:12 Welcome to Obama Term 2. When some of us suffer, all of us suffer. Reply OkieRim says: January 9, 2013 at 19:17 It’s a redistribution of ammo suffering…..how nice Reply ChuckN says: January 9, 2013 at 20:07 Just make sure more come from the larger departments. After all, we all have to give our fair share. Reply Rabbi says: January 9, 2013 at 20:10 Redistribution of ammo…Best comment eva! Reply matt says: January 9, 2013 at 19:15 Why did the cops have a shelf full of what looked like Uzis or something similar at 1:23? BWAHAHA cops, thats why I bought a reloading press. Reply JoshinGA says: January 9, 2013 at 19:24 Those “uzis” looked like MP7s to me… Reply Backyardsniper says: January 9, 2013 at 19:32 4.5mm has always been a scarce and hard to find round, not to mention expensive. Reply matt says: January 9, 2013 at 19:36 I dont think so, they have wire stocks and a LHS charging handle, the MP7 has neither. Reply JoshinGA says: January 9, 2013 at 19:46 Very sharp eyes you have. Any thoughts on what they could be then? matt says: January 9, 2013 at 20:02 A Steyr MPi 81? See the second picture here: http://world.guns.ru/smg/at/steyr-mpi-69-e.html It has a similar trigger guard shape, and the thick part of the barrel a couple inches behind the muzzle. Why do cops have a shelf full of these things? WTF do they need open bolt SMGs for? matt says: January 9, 2013 at 20:07 Well I guess it explains why this department ran out of ammo. APBTFan says: January 9, 2013 at 20:11 Suffice it to say they have racks of goodies us lowly citizens can’t get. AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 19:15 I’ll find it highly amusing if we get a bunch of LEOs coming out as being on our side just to calm down the carbine/ammo supply situation. They’ll have to, if only so their department can actually spend their 2013 firearms/training budget money. Reply 16V says: January 10, 2013 at 01:11 I’m trying to remember the time a govt agency didn’t find some way to spend it’s budget allocation. Reply johnmackay70 says: January 9, 2013 at 19:18 A lot of this is because the DHS has bought up and is continuing to buy up so many rounds of common ammunition…that’s right the Department of Homeland Security bought 1.4 billion rounds last year and just ordered another 200 million recently. Just think about why they would need so much ammo – what are they stocking up for…? Reply JoshinGA says: January 9, 2013 at 19:35 They were stocking up because they knew this was coming. The ultimate buy it cheap stack it deep (since they had insider info). Reply WLCE says: January 9, 2013 at 21:06 that is a interesting point because the daily ammo consumption in iraq was something like 20 million rounds a day. thats a lot of ammo. over a billion is even more. Reply johnmackay70 says: January 9, 2013 at 22:42 Even more scary is a lot of it was hollow point rounds, which by the Geneva Convention cannot be used in a foreign war, so it must be used domestically Reply johnmackay70 says: January 9, 2013 at 22:56 Actually, after more research, I am not convinced my last post is correct…I have not found that in any ove our Geneva Convention treaties, however many on the web state it as fact…still its a lot of ammo for a domestic security group JoshinGA says: January 9, 2013 at 22:59 The feds train with hollowpoints…because its our tax dollars paying for it so who gives a fvck about cost right? WLCE says: January 9, 2013 at 23:57 yes, those rounds can be used because they are not intended for military consumers (at least conventional). Purely federal law enforcement. being optimistic, you have to calculate total federal law enforcement agents, divide the quantity of ammunition, training, etc. and it would sound relatively reasonable. still, one cant help but wonder. rosignol says: January 10, 2013 at 02:08 It’s not in the Geneva Conventions. You want the Hague Convention of 1899. #2 says: January 9, 2013 at 19:18 Yeah, that part looks a little fishy if you ask me. Reply Brooklyn in da house says: January 9, 2013 at 19:27 Wait till they do what they did with gas stations after Sandy. You sit in line for hours but cops roll up with their personal vehicles and their families cut the line and take all the gas. Reply Javier says: January 9, 2013 at 19:34 Buy as much and as often as possible. Because the police won’t be able to shoot at the BGs. I’ll bet the BGs don’t have any shortage of ammo. Reply David says: January 9, 2013 at 19:36 @2:05 “Law enforcement agencies are coming in buying ammunition off the shelf”. The horror. The King’s men must buy ammo like a common peasant. That is as bad as The King coming in and buying it himself. * Is it just me but those shelves in the store and at the station did not look all that bare? Reply Chris Mallory says: January 9, 2013 at 19:43 Disarming cops is one of the best things we could do to make America safer. Reply Bob says: January 9, 2013 at 19:46 Was just going to say “maybe this is a good thing”. I think you’ve got it right, bro. Couldn’t agree more. Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 19:47 That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve read all day. And that includes everything Yeager-related, so that’s quite an accomplishment. Reply Rob G says: January 9, 2013 at 20:22 +1 Reply 16V says: January 10, 2013 at 01:58 This time I said “+2” and it disappeared after it was posted. This is becoming tedious. Reply Rob G says: January 9, 2013 at 20:04 I disagree. I actually like cops and respect them for what they do. I do believe, however, that if more citizens exercised their right to carry, we could get by with fewer cops. But disarm or defund them? No way. Reply pwrserge says: January 10, 2013 at 00:47 Cops, no. Feds… Different situation. Reply rosignol says: January 10, 2013 at 02:11 Hm. I dunno how much of a difference requiring federal agents to call on local law enforcement if armed backup is necessary would make. Anyone have thoughts on the matter? IMO, the idea of disarming ATF agents is kind of appealing, but I don’t know if having local SWAT doing the door-kicking would be an improvement. WLCE says: January 9, 2013 at 23:58 i strongly disagree. Reply Bryan P says: January 9, 2013 at 19:45 So multiple Federal agencies buy up a massive amount of ammunition just before one of the biggest shortages in history? I think my tinfoil hat is slipping off…. Reply David-p says: January 9, 2013 at 19:50 So I am supposed to give up my guns, especially “assault weapons”, and have faith that the police will come and help me if I am in trouble. But the well run police department can’t even comprehend that they should probably have a couple extra boxes of ammo laying around, you know in case something happens! I am sure glad that PD are advertising this shortage that way all enemies, foreign and domestic, know our weakness. I think I just figured out the new gun ban. They will just talk(since they know they cant pass it) and talk and talk about the ban until all of the guns and ammo is gone. Reply DerryM says: January 9, 2013 at 19:54 Naw…the DHS bought all that ammo so they can supply the Po-Po when SHTF. Yeah right! @AlphaGeek..now THAT’S got to be the dumbest thing you’ve read all day…right? Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 20:09 There’s dumb (disarming the local cops) and then there’s crazy (see conspiracy theory above). I like defense in depth, and I rather appreciate that I have a local police force that patrols the street and actively interdicts jackholes from nearby urban areas who are here on “business”. I also rather like the fact that since we have an armed police force, I don’t have to round up a posse once per week and risk my own life to go check for warrants and probation violations at certain local motels. More to the point, once a Federal civilian agency has their hands on toys or ammo, good luck getting them to share it with other Federal agencies, much less local LEOs. That whole idea is chuckle-worthy to anyone who’s ever seen how territorial Fed agencies are with their stuff. Reply Hinshelworld says: January 9, 2013 at 20:19 DHS throws money and gear at other agencies… They actually don’t actually have many armed personnel at all. Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 20:23 I am willing to reconsider my position that 100% of this ammo is for DHS consumption. Applying Occam’s Razor, however, the simplest explanation is that the DHS accountants ran a 10-year projection and decided that a single large contract every 3-5 years would be the most cost-effective way to meet their ammunition needs. DHS has a horrendous history of spending hundreds of millions of dollars on equipment then warehousing it, so this would fit their habits to a T. Thomas Paine says: January 9, 2013 at 20:37 well then, lets find the warehouse. 🙂 felix says: January 9, 2013 at 20:01 Oh well, I cant find any either! Too bad, thank the prez Reply CA_Chris says: January 9, 2013 at 20:09 Well, it sounded like they had enough for live-fire training in Dublin, CA today. I’m working in the hills above an army base, county jail, and police training range. I heard some full-auto, lots of 3 round bursts, but only a few single shots. Reply Jeh says: January 9, 2013 at 20:22 Next thing you know the local SWAT team will be using lever-actions and revolvers. Then when that runs out what will happen? I see three possible outcomes of a shortage in which we dont really recover A. Martial law is declared B. People riot and then martial law C. The armed become piece keepers Im sorry (kinda) but when I see Timmy “Ban All Guns” Libralisky getting threatend by some gangmember with a Glock useing mexican imported ammo im not gunna lift a finger. If someonee is dumb enough to think armed law abiding citizens are the problem, then ill laugh when your sitting scared holding a butter knife while im cleaning my rifle. Because when SHTF wolves thrive and the weak get eaten. Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 20:31 Holy cow. You’d think someone had blown up the ammo factories. Yeah… no. The reality is going to piss off the 2A community something fierce: even if Congress fails to pass a single restriction, the government agencies are going to use their market power to preempt access to any new inventory of firearms and ammo that they have on their shopping lists. This is the downside of owning firearms in LE/military calibers: when supplies get constrained (e.g. wartime or panic buying) the civilians get whatever stock that’s in the supply chain, then everything else goes to LE/military buyers until their needs are met. It’s the best argument I know of for owning firearms chambered for civilian-only ammo. Last time I checked, DoD wasn’t buying .30-30 or .357. (Shut up, JWM.) Reply WLCE says: January 9, 2013 at 21:10 those two are damn good calibers to have precisely for that reason. my 25-06 ammo is also widely available and comparatively cheap! Reply jwm says: January 10, 2013 at 00:24 I never said a fracking word. But since you brought it up. .30-30 rocks at urban distances. hard to beat a shotgun also. .30-06 and .243 are winners too. Russian 7.62x54r should remain available too. For handguns I don’t know what to do. Any commonly available caliber that’s effective enough to use is going to be scarce and expensive. Anybody know if Ruger is still making the stainless steel cap and ball revolver? Reply miforest says: January 9, 2013 at 20:49 dicks in west detroit suburb has 9mm,40,and 45 . saw it returning a chridstmas gift there tonight. Reply g says: January 9, 2013 at 22:02 Maybe they need to have an ammo buyback. Ya know, get all the ammo off the streets that’s in bad guys’ hands! Reply AlphaGeek says: January 9, 2013 at 22:53 Last time that netted LAPD an expended single-use Vietnam-era rocket launcher. Maybe this time they’d get someone bringing in rockets. I’d pay money to watch that show. Reply BLAMMO says: January 9, 2013 at 22:59 Oh, REE-HEE-HEE-HEALLY!!! GET EM’!! 😀 Reply Wiebelhaus says: January 9, 2013 at 23:21 FFFUFUFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU this is it man. Reply Ralph says: January 10, 2013 at 00:04 Cops Running Out of Bullets So our dogs are safe, but it’s a little late for Big Boy the elk. Reply Rob says: January 10, 2013 at 00:22 I’m calling BS on this. Police departments buy in massive bulk, so much so they often have to dump old stock and replace it for their own standards in keeping new ammo available and also to keep their budget where they want it. I know people with police friends who have reaped the benefits of getting free ammo due to these dumps. I have a hard time imagining that there are departments that are running low unless you’re telling me they’ve been in mass sieges recently. What I think is that this is one more scare tactic by the gun control crowd to get people on their side. How? Simple, tell people that the gun crazies are hoarding the ammo and not allowing our police to have any, so the boys in blue can no longer protect them. That would garner support to stop ammo sales to you and I because we would be considered to be escalating an unsafe situation for the peace keepers. Reply RB says: January 10, 2013 at 10:45 Why dont you all SHUT THE F**K UP!!. and write a letter! see what the gun grabbers and the media have done here! now even some of the pds dont have ammo.and, neither do we. now dont go and say I’ll go out there and protect the citizens to your buddies and family.YOU WILL GET YOUR ASS BLOWN AWAY ! and look like “another one of those gun nuts. get off your ass and do something!! —————TODAY!!!!——- Reply TheSleeperHasAwakened says: January 10, 2013 at 12:49 I’m sure that the Average Joe will be blamed for the ammo shortage because they are “Hoarding”. But attention should be placed on the DHS and Federal Government with their purcahse of over 1.8 billion rounds! Reply FatMan says: January 10, 2013 at 19:18 Makes me chuckle. Citizens tend to pick up ammo anytime they find a good price, and do it all year long. Two-three boxes of ammo a day for 365 days tends to add up. PDs order maybe once or twice a year, and many buy from the same sources the citizens do. Same thing happened four years ago when PDs could not source ammo. History repeats and bureaucrats never learn from past mistakes. Don’t blame the citizen for your lack of ammo — reflect on your inability to plan ahead. Tip to PDs: The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Regards. Keep your powder dry! Reply Sivartius says: January 11, 2013 at 00:11 They said that they had ammo. They buy ahead. What they said was that there was currently a 6 month wait for more, and that if they’re stuck with only what they have for six months, they’re going to get low. Reply Nick says: January 17, 2013 at 17:50 Does anybody realize that all the government has to do is nationlize the ammunition manufacturers and restricted public purchases. Boom, the police have all the ammo they need, and we’re essentially unarmed! Reply JoshinGA says: January 17, 2013 at 17:52 Except for those that reload their own… Reply Nick says: January 17, 2013 at 17:55 Amen, Josh! Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.