Foul-mouthed Wonkette wag-ette Rebecca Schoenkopf read RF’s earlier post in which he highlighted her standard, lefty playbook, by-the-numbers portrayal of all gun owners after a couple of open carriers waltzed through Phoenix’s Sky Harbor Airport fully strapped. During a hellacious hissy in which she all but played the hoary compensating-for-their-small-penises card, Schoenkopf reached down deep into her progressive thesaurus and pronounced “Mr. Big Brave Manly Macho” a total fncking a$$hole. Just the kind of enlightened conversation about guns the civilian disarmament side can be counted on to carry on. But there’s more! She then revealingly jumped into our comment section looking for juicy Tweet fodder and it’s safe to say that a good time was not necessarily had by all. In an effort to talk the screeching scribe down a few rungs, would-be peacemaker michi unleashed the following bit of wisdom which is more than deserving of a post all its own . . .
Hey uh, Rebecca? Pause – please – Seriously. I feel (from my own experience, that you’re not speaking from a tone of rationality, but one of anger. I just need to say “stop for a second” and consider. I understand the ‘seeing red’ anger. I’ve been there, and that’s not the best time to hit the ‘post’ button. Sure know that I’ve written up documents and oh-so-wanted to put them online in my moment of anger…
I used to be an anti, and I still am rather liberal. And I know when the anger gets behind you, you see what happened at LAX and you think that these guys in this airport are of the same thread.
They really are not.
Just like I -used to- think that all Republicans had to answer for every little thing Rush Limbaugh said, and it’d make me seethe, (and I was wrong) – as Matt mentioned the only connecting factor is gun ownership.
I understand that you, yourself, couldn’t comprehend the want or need to own, see, touch or even be around a gun. I get that! And you don’t ever have to be a gun owner. You can keep them out of your household – but, the crux of it is this:
These guys were NOT going to hurt anyone. Really really. What broke my ‘reactive’ shell at first *was* going to the range with people I knew were “good people”. It forced me to reconcile in my head the disconnect I had between “only evil people own guns” and “wait, some of my good friends own guns.”
I’ve been on both sides of this line, and I can say from *my own experience deep in it*, the outrage is not from a rational place. These guys were not going to harm anyone; proven out by the fact that they didn’t harm anyone. The gun really is NOT the corrupting factor. They were not standing up for the LAX shooter – even though it can appear that way on its face.
The fact is, whenever a nut goes nuts, (because that’s what nuts do) – people come out of the woodwork to paint all of -us- as a clone of that nut. (such as the LAX shooter.) So people think of ways they can make a ‘political statement’ on that prompt, and I’m betting that that’s all these guys were really doing. “I’m going to go exercise these rights and show a few people – try to normalize it, and fight back (politically and symbolically!) on what people are saying we’re about; which we’re not.”
In short, they were probably trying to say, “See? It’s not the machine. I can carry a rifle through an airport and nobody gets hurt.”
THAT was likely their point, (even if you disagree with it!) NOT some kind of solidarity with the LAX shooter’s feelings about Janet Napolitano.
You’ve probably met gun owners, and you didn’t even know they were gun owners. You may have even met people who were concealed-carrying.
There are other political trappings that may be ‘generally common’ with gun owners that you may not agree with. (Chances are, I don’t agree with them either!) – But that’s not what this site is about. Yeah, the commentary devolved, but, when you enter a debate with a given tone, folks are gonna respond in kind. That’s the nature of discourse, and doubly so online.
Anyhow, to wrap this up: We aren’t LAX or Newtown or Aurora shooters. We *really* don’t like those guys. (I was at a movie theatre a mile away from the Aurora shooting on the night it happened. We got out of our movie to be greeted with a string of screaming police vehicles, and had to drive past the incident on the way home. I lived in Littleton during Columbine.) No really. We *REALLY* don’t like those guys because since we (as gun owners) are generally the only ones left standing after the event that share any commonality (the gun) – we get the “Explain yourself!!!!” invectives directed at *us*.
And really, the only answer we have is, “I got nothing, the guy was a nut” and with our ‘anti’ friends we even have to trot out the demeaning phrase “… and I’d never do anything like that.” Wow. As if that even needs to be said. :
Anyways, Rebecca, I can’t say I’m perfect in explaining a point of view. That’s rarely done in a single post. It usually takes discourse.
But really, we aren’t evil. From an inside view I can assure you of that.
Has anybody else noticed that the report doesn’t say WHAT Mount
was complaining about? For all we know the kid might have been
harassed by hoplophobic teachers, or the school was failing to
to a true case of bullying seriously, etc…. Granted the parent could
be a real loon. However you can bet that if she had a legitimate
beef against the school, we’ll never hear it.
So the term “AR-15” is the equivalent in definition to the word “automobile” in its respective category. There are many makes, and models, from different manufacturers. All of these have similar features, but personal preferences dictate the exact nature, color, and options that get included on them. And yes, they are involved in a lot of death. But once again, no one is proclaiming the “Automobile” as the transportation choice that is killing America.
For God’s Sake! the Founders never envisioned horseless carriages that can travel over 20 MPH!
…SHATTTTAPPP!
Fuck these people! …and fuck their obtuse, highly biased, incoherent, fallacy laden, little brains.
Because, guns.
I think the most important point in this article is the third graders actions:
He saw a mysterious object, and openly asked about it. He understood what it was and what its purpose is. He had not fear, but curiosity. He questioned the safety of the school grounds; he was aware that horrible people are out there.
Fear of guns is not a rational, organic, or normal thought. Fear of guns is instilled through the non stop propaganda.
Children are intelligent, often more so than adults. They are blunt and honest. They see the world as it is.
Our government run education system is destroying our children. It is breaking them down into mere figments of what they used to be.
AMAN ! love the kids and get them out of the government HELL HOLE called public education. Home schooled kids score in the upper 10 % at collage and Christian Schooled kid score higher that public ed. too.. Public schools are nothing but a Communist training camp , NO THINKING ALLOWED!
There’s really no point in throwing rational discourse into an argument that’s already devolved into emotional one-upsmanship. It’s an extremely well written response, but I doubt it will be considered or even read until the recipient is in a calmer place emotionally.
What else would you expect? She is a disgusting liberal. They feign compassion when their true motives are all about control. These are weak people who act like they are independant and forward thinking but are, in reality, dependant on others and trying to rehash a failed belief system from the mid 1800s.
Please publish it. This is the kind of information that liberty loving Americans need to push back against the arming of local and state police forces like a banana republic palace guard. The police in the US today are an existential threat to our rights as American citizens. They have collaborated with federal law enforcement, tech companies, the NSA, and the military in DHS/DOJ intelligence fusion centers that have facilitated the warrantless and illegal surveillance and collection of intelligence against Americans. They are no more trustworthy than the IRS agents who conspired to discriminate against fellow Americans. These stories show that state and local police officers are just lower middle class working class Joe’s with the same kinds of character and anger management problems that are equally present in all social and economic strata. They are given in too many cases a free pass for bad judgement and murder / manslaughter. Their actions just tend to be more local than the thugs in Congress, K Street Lobbyist, public employee union bosses, Wall Street banksters, and crony capitalist. Likewise the arrogant disregard of police of citizens rights and their paranoid “us against civilians” training only further isolates them from fellow citizens. It makes gunning down a 13 year old with a toy gun a problem that hits closer to home than the daily underhandedness of the slimes in the state capitals and city halls who are their enablers.. Publish it.
Why is she getting any attention? This here vs. there nonsense is setting up the proper foundation for a grade school name-calling session. Best advice when being trolled: ignore it and move on. Nobody who reads that blog is going to turn and nobody who reads this one will either. Take a breath, count to ten and move on.
Well if they did get away and had some substancial winnngs on those lottery tickets,an investigation would insue.Store worker/owner has to activate the pack of tickets thru machine with state,which are now traceable.If perps get’s someone else to cash out,over 500.00,they need to fill out form and provide ID.Also most stores have video as well.Now that is not full proof but nobody said these bad guys are smart.
If she thinks this is a tough crowd, better hope there isnt a fire mission over at ar15.com. lol
QFT. Those guys don’t play.
LOL Thinking about her making a little foray into the general discussion forum over there, just cracks me up.
This principle has gone full retard.
Well the posting of ones Concealed Weapons Permit on Facebook is just plain foolish
this principle being afraid should seek help.
I’ve seen that face before. Many times. Deadly poison. Growing up, post-WWII, in an upper middle class Boston suburb, in a 2nd generation Jewish-American milieu, I’ve dated these Princesses. Fortunately, I went to college out of state, joined the Army and didn’t take my family’s advice on whom to marry. I was the first in my family to own guns. Lots of them. Happily married for 47 years and now living in America (AZ).
Newton? Things haven’t changed…
It sounds to me like she did the right thing and exercised caution. It also sounds like the concerned parent did the right thing and exercised her choice to place her child elsewhere. All is good with the world.
Had the principal issued some blanket ban, this would be a different story.
I’m pretty sure it was something very different what killed America.
You are too kind, michi. Becky did not misconstrue anything that occurred at the airport. Becky HATES our culture. That’s all there is to it.
I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat myself — this is a culture war, and it’s to the death. One culture will live and the other will die.
+1 Ralph…again…still.
Even Australian firearm owners pity the firearm owners in Western Australia, as that state has the strictest and most draconian firearm laws of the entire country.
Here are some articles which demonstrate how bad it is in WA:
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/rick-mazza-takes-on-wa-bureaucrats-in-parliament
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/call-for-hunting-on-wa-public-land
In New South Wales there have been calls for a review of the firearms registry which is long overdue as copies of the database were spread throughout the police service and some copies have ended up in the hands of criminals who are using the data for targeted thefts.
http://www.sportingshootermag.com.au/news/firearms-registry-review-welcomed
You have to remember that the media in Australia is very anti-gun, moreso than anything you would see or believe stateside. So with regard to firearms, anything in the media is not taken with a grain of salt, but instead with a large measure of grain alcohol.
Well ok Matt, yes we are frustrated with the idiots out there.
However Rebecca’s use of profanity, and rhetoric contributes nothing. Zero. Zilch to the discourse of gun rights in America. I find her over the top hopolophbic response deeply disturbing.
She seemed upset that the two law abiding citizens knew exactly what they could and could not do legally. You know to be law abiding citizens.
People like Rebecca aren’t interested in any truths that don’t match her perspective, or at least one’s that she can’t manipulate and profit from on her website.
As a person who is currently playing GTA:V and a firearms enthusiast, I have to say that I think RF’s point is that much like the term “Assault Weapon” being equivocated with a centerfire rifle, the danger herein is that your average John Q Public will have such terminology embedded in their mind and begin to assume that modern looking shotguns are “Assault Weapons” just as many people already assume so about AR-15’s. While this is no doubt a negative for us, I feel that there are far more offensive caricatures painting inside this game. For instance, they have fake political candidates and ballot propositions advertised in the media (in game) that make a mockery of many issues, prominently the gun debate in America. One such proposition in the game is ostensibly propagated by the gun lobby and mandates the all residents of the state carry firearms. While I am not the type to spend too much time worrying about what such people say about my beliefs, I feel that with the millions of copies of this game that have shipped, many people are going to hear things like that advertisement in the game or the term “Assault Shotgun” and become further convinced that the people of the gun are out of touch.
How can you debate somebody who’s entire thought process consists of invectives and flashing her boobs?
This is, no kidding, the first time I’ve ever heard of “Gun World”. Clearly I haven’t been missing much.
I’m ok with Guns Akimbo as long as the movie isn’t meant to be taken seriously – in other words, it’s ok for Late-era Sean Connery through Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan, but not for Early-era Sean Connery, Timothy Dalton, or Daniel Craig. It’s 100% rule of cool.
Now, the silenced revolver (The Manchurian Candidate) or the silenced (not suppressed, but silenced as in ‘thwip’) .308 (and bigger) sniper rifle… that drives me crazy. Especially when there are purpose-built rifles like the AS-VAL which would be even cooler than whatever rifle they are using.
I find it disturbing that the public seems to perceive the use of guns as a primary, really the primary job function of a police officer. Law enforcement is a minefield of protocols, procedures, legalities, psychology, forensics, etc. Most of a lawman’s job-related expertise must necessarily lie outside the realm of firearm combat by the routine nature of day-to-day operations.
Another reason they don’t like empaneling lawyers on a jury . . . I had this happen on a rape trial I got jury duty for at age 19. I had the most education (w 1 year of college) than the rest of the jury. I refused to convict because the prosecutor had made the wrong charge (the guy was guilty as sin but not of the particular charge). We were hung for almost a week before the judge declared a mistrial and berated us. When I pointed out the improper charge and how it would have been an appeal issue, the prosecutor only said “oh.”. SMDH