“Mass Shooting” has such a negative connotation, particularly when paired with “Mass Casualties.” The term is scary, and frankly it almost seems as if the biased liberal media has coined the term to embarrass gun rights advocates, and to make them look callous and uncaring. This must change.
I’ve batted the idea around in my mind for a while now, trying to come up with something more palatable or benign. And I think I’ve finally got it. Here’s my proposal.
Let’s changed “Mass Shooting” to “Second Amendment Celebration.” That shifts the tone from scary to laudatory, and when people hear about it (for example on Twitter at the hashtag “Active Shooter”) it will put a smile on their faces. They will know that somewhere a true patriot is expressing his God-given Constitutional right. This will also change the unwilling victim (“victim” is another downer of a word) from a casualty to a patriot, since they are nobly sacrificing their lives to preserve one of the primary rights in our revered Constitution.
This way, at each mass shooting… sorry, old habits die hard… at each Second Amendment Celebration, Americans can be reminded of what the Second Amendment means to all of us.
— Michael Coblenz in Rebrand ‘Mass Shootings’ as ‘Second Amendment Celebrations’
“Second Amendment Celebration.”
That’s a whole different ballgame, kinda adds a real patriotic feel to it.
Donald Trump is already on board!
“Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don’t know.”
And in an interview with Fox News Tuesday night, Trump told the network: “This is a strong, powerful movement, the Second Amendment”.
Miner49er one of this websites two most infamous trolls.
No, it’s just a paid prog moron.
If that were what Trump wanted he wouldn’t have tried to ban bump stocks.
I was not at all happy with that move to ban bump stocks, but it was just window dressing.
After the Monterey Bay shooting everyone was screaming about gun control and “We have to do something!”
Trump managed to pick the least damaging thing about the shooting and write an EO banning a mostly useless piece of plastic that even staunch shooters admitted was nothing more than a range toy you could use to impress your friend and burn up a lot of military surplus ammunition.
The optics of taking what was arguably an unconstitutional move that managed to piss off even those POTG who would not have considered spending the money anyway was a bad thing for Trump but it managed to shut up (briefly) most of the people who had immediately jumped all over the Media and Congress about banning AR pattern rifles, a truly unconstitutional concept.
“it was just window dressing“
“write an EO banning a mostly useless piece of plastic“
Yep, typical conservative Republican tactic, no effective governance just “window dressing”.
The streets of Las Vegas littered with the dead and dying, and in response Trump bans a “mostly useless piece of plastic”.
That’s the grifter-in-chief, symbolic bullshit just to give the illusion of competent leadership.
Typical, we have a real problem with violence and the Republicans want to debate “public urination”.
COOL STORY, BRO!!! Now Senile Joe and the Dimocrat Senate trying to spend trillions of dollars we DON’T have for the performative virtue-signaling “climate change” and “social justice” idiocy.
You lying, ignorant twat of a lying propagandist. Go fornicate yourself, vigorously, with a telephone poie, you @$$clown.
MINOR Miner49er, Here we go again. What you Lefties really want is the disarmament of the American people. The real grifters are Sleepy Joe and his son, but you can add your girl Hillary as well.
The “gun community” has never supported the widespread ownership of machine guns, in the hands of the general public. The Trump haters can say whatever they want about President Trump and the bump stock.
These same complainers are nowhere to be found supporting the ownership of “Glock switches”. And let’s be honest now, these switches seem to be mostly in the hands of black people.
“Marion Hammer: NRA Never Wanted Legal Machine Guns, Bump Fire Stocks”
It’s too bad that the Father’s Love and discipline were replaced by the Welfare Industrial Complex. And the father’s guns were replaced by the guns of a big city police department. Normally his guns, knowledge, and the teaching respect about Firearms, would be passed down from him to his children.
But the Libertarians Liberals and the Left disagreed with the Christians. When the Christians said a father is necessary in the home.
Pck you. I do support the legalizing of ownership of machine guns, suppressors, SBRs, SBSs, AOWs, DDs, and everything else by the general public. I always have.
The black people in possession of ALREADY ILLEGAL Glock switches are violent criminals committing violent crimes. They are not ordinary decent black people who go to work and church. The black part is not the relevant factor, the violent criminal part is.
Violent crime will go down and the rest of us can have all of the fun toys with no problems if we would lock up violent criminals and anyone in government, but I repeat myself. The fun toys are not the problem. Once again the violent criminals are.
As for your constant libertarian bashing, what have the Republicant’s done for us? The last R president gave us the bump stock ban and that set the stage for the pistol brace ban, and the ban on rolling your own. Then the R’s in congress collaborated with Sniffin Joe to enact more gun control.
The best we ever get out of an R government is they either don’t pass more gun control, or they pass what they think is the least offensive gun control. They never roll back any gun control on the federal level.
Certainly a gun person cannot support a democrap. And the corrupt election laws in this country make it very difficult for any but R’s and D’s to get on the ballot. And the capital L Libertarian Party who can usually get a few people on the ballots across the country has become a circus sideshow that most small libertarians won’t touch with a 10 meter cattle prod. so the only option left is to vote for Republicant’s. But don’t hold your breath for them to do anything productive. You’ll pass out before they do anything good.
“The black people in possession of ALREADY ILLEGAL Glock switches are violent criminals committing violent crimes.”
You should have said that the possession of glock switches should be legal. That was the correct answer. The fact that criminals are using a “Glock switch” to commit a crime has nothing to do with law abiding citizen carrying a machine pistol.
Remember it’s not about the gun. It’s about the person, the criminal, who uses that gun to commit crimes.
And I will continue to hold Libertarians accountable for their crimes against Liberty in this country. Because with Liberty comes responsibility and consequences. And those are two things that Libertarians Liberals and the Left are working constantly to avoid.
Now show me where the Libertarians support the “representatives of the government” called the police, show me where Libertarians support the police shooting rioters dead on site.
And show me where the Libertarians support property owners killing rioters dead on site.
I bring this up a lot because it’s important. Yes Republicans are generally awful. Yes Democrats are much worse. Third parties will not be viable on a national level within our lifetime. Supporting a third party displaces the energy that could be spent reshaping one of our existing parties.
We have a two party system in this country. Complain all you want. That doesn’t change anything. The infrastructure is already in place. So what should we do about it? We remake one of the existing parties. The most important election is the primary election. Even more important than that is getting a decent person into the primary election. Both parties control that process. The political parties are for political party power, not the electorate. Both parties have changed the rules around to specifically limit certain people from even running in the primary election.
“what have the Republicant’s done for us?”
False moral equivalency is not only one of the lowest debating tactics, but also most readily disproven. Look at any recent electoral map next to any CCW (or any gun right) map.
If you happen to find one of the [tiny handful of apparent] exceptions, look up who was in office when favorable laws were passed, and/or what $hitty laws were passed under more recent D management.
Any other easy questions?
The Trump family owns machine guns. Specifically Donald Trump’s two sons. I know this because I’ve watched the YouTube videos of them shooting their machine guns.
The libertarian billionaire who is running to become president is he an owner of machine guns? I know he gave a speech at the NRA convention.
But he is one of these “Tech billionaires”, that’s where he made his money. Does he believe that property owners should be able to kill criminals who rob, break into, Steal, and vandalize private property?
Do the libertarians who to run for public office owned machine guns? Or any gun? If they own guns do they shoot them? And when was the last time they shot a gun? Libertarians almost never ask these questions.
But they do ask candidates if they have smoked marijuana.
Pirate and Chris T,
If the military gets it, why don’t private gun owners? Some 20 year old Fobbit file clerk who barely made it through basic is somehow safer with a weapon than am I, after shooting for over 60 years, and hundreds of hours of training? Yeah, screw that shit.
“The “gun community” has never supported the widespread ownership of machine guns, in the hands of the general public. The Trump haters can say whatever they want about President Trump and the bump stock.”
Speak for yourself.
You are as mentally ill as Michael Coblenz is.
This is a very sick idea, and he is trolling just like you are. Plus, he also doesn’t understand what context is just like you don’t understand what context is.
minor49iq…While you are voting for Jim Crow Gun Control democRat joe I will be voting for POTUS DJT…I suggest you pay attention to joe AKA “the Big Guy” because there is not a day that goes by sniffer joe doesn’t say something that leaves listeners asking, wtf?
Right on Debbie! Keep the faith, Baby! Trump 2024 😉
I’m glad to read that you celebrate [email protected] and atheists, who celebrate the Second Amendment by shooting up synagogues and churches.
Well you can say whatever you want about Trump, I dont care.
My main objective is getting into the shower with Joe and his daughter. Hillary said she’d film it and Pelosi is to be the director.
Yeah Trumps a real asshole. I much prefer a weirdo pedo as president.
theBiden gives civilized countrys a benchmark, a gold standard of what true leadership looks like.
*phhhhhttttttt,,,plop*”I had my ass wiped!”
I see the sarcasm class you’ve been taking at community college is starting to pay off. (please tell me it’s sarcasm)
Wait, do you even KNOW possum???? When has he ever posted anything that WASN’T sarcasm???? The possum likes him some snark (and he does it pretty well, and he’s subtle enough that he sometimes sneaks up on you . . . like possums are prone to do).
Yeah, it was sarcasm (and I’ll betcha, if possum even reads this comment, he’ll come back with some snarky response to this, maybe about how “No, I’ve always fantasized about a three way with senile Joe and his (well-broken-in) daughter.
Yeah, it was sarcasm. If your comment was subtle sarcasm? Well played, sir, well played!
Sick bastard, get a life.
And what do we call it when you and dacian start your great purge?
Shall we name it in honor of your Khmer Rouge c0mrades who provided inspiration “The Return to Year Zero”?
The Khmer Rouge while k!lling between a quarter to a third of the population only managed to eliminate a mere million people. You and dacian plan to go large.
Well Resident MARXIST!!!
Why don’t you move to the country of UTOPIA “MEXICO”!!!
All guns in MEXICO are “CONTROLLED” by the Gov’t!!!!
Still waiting to hear your solutions that don’t start with infringing on the constitutionally guaranteed rights of the 110 million law abiding gun owners who never harm anyone.
Or without blaming inanimate objects.
Or without ignoring societal root causes of homicidal acts.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it’s too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are ‘citizens’. Without them, we are ‘subjects’.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND’S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT’S A NO BRAINER!
DON’T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!
It’s time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You’re not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~
56 Million is a Low Ball Estimate. Mao is estimated to have killed off 40 million to 80 million. Stalin alone, over 30 million. In truth Communism has created the greatest Mass Genocide in all of recorded History.
Your points are spot on.
Why do Progressives and DemoCommiecrats want to disarm Americans? Because the Unarmed will meekly board the Cattle Cars for their final trip to the Re-Education Camps.
History not only shows this to be true, it’s repeating itself.
Gordon, this is the main problem with the “mass murder” count. Real mass murder, like those you list, requires government support. what we have now are “group murders” and they account for a small minority of all murders. The problem is not guns in the hands of honest citizens, it is criminals, including those in government.
Once again Miner 49er has highjacked and re-directed the article and ensuing discussion. Many here fall for this simple trick time and again, making the discussion about himself, an anti gun troll who has effectively caught the attention and ire of many posters. When I see miner posts and the topic of discussion changes I just go on to the next article.
There are many here that have the knowledge and resources to make valuable contributions to the topic but they allow themselves to be steered into another fruitless flame war.
I say we start calling ” Progressive journalists ” Communist Fabulists’.
Start calling them that? I’ve been doing it for years.
Not sure if callous or trolling by that author but either way a bit in bad taste.
The author is a troll at best and an enemy of our society at worst.
The author is trying to advance the twisted notion that people who defend a right are responsible for making that right available to people who endeavor to abuse that right for unjust purposes.
Suppose that a sizable chunk of society adopted the position that humans are a scourge on planet Earth and we should “regulate” the frequency and methods of husbands and wives engaging in sexual relations–in order to reduce our population and thus save the planet. It goes without saying that many people would advocate that husbands and wives can engage in sexual relations any way they want. At that point, this troll would come out saying that said advocates are pro-rape and every time a rapist rapes a women, we should call it a wonderful expression of marital-type sexual relations.
Never ever forget that there are a LOT of people in our world with royally screwed-up minds. The only uncertainty is exactly how any one screwed-up person is screwed-up.
Can’t argue that…….want to be able to but yeah he took it a few levels higher than our typical trolls.
Read my reply at the end of the comments.
So twisted and backwards
These people are clueless followers of lunacy.
It’s always Opposite Day in Leftist Land.
The website is called “Common dreams”.
What he fails to realize is, his dream is total fascist domination…. 🙁
Trolling of the highest order. Don’t feed.
That should have been “lowest” order. Still, don’t feed.
How about “Suicide by cop?”
I always knew it was a game to them.
Oh, oh, oh I can play this game too; fiery but mostly peaceful protests/riots are “First Amendment Celebrations,” no knock raids are “4th Amendment Celebrations,” J6 jailings are “6th Amendment Celebrations,” every single instance of Govt overreach are “9th and 10th Amendment Celebrations.”
This is fun; keep it going.
Civil forfeiture, 5th Amendment Celebration.
Abortion, no wait, it isn’t in the Constitution. I guess that makes it just plain murder.
Nah, hawkeye, you’re just not properly interpreting the “emanations from the penumbras”. It’s in there . . . if you dig around with your Leftist/fascist lenses on. Hell, it was the “law of the land” for 50-ish years, despite the idiocy of the Roe opinion. Just gotta get those Leftist/fascist goggles on.
So what do we call the 120 million people murdered by their own governments in the furtherance of socialism?
“The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic.” – Josef Stalin.
“The death of 120 million? A BIG statistic.” – Mao Zedong (probably)
Clerical error there were never any victims – Modern Left (generally)
The future of environmental justice?
Carbon reduction goals need to be met.
To followers of the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, barely a start. For 99.99% of the world’s population, it won’t be voluntary.
For dacian and Miner, a minimum goal for their great purge. They plan to match the percentage of their c0mrades and inspiration the Khmer Rouge, and exceed Mao’s and Stalin’s death tolls combined.
“Democide”. Yes there is a word for it.
There’s a little problem for the pompous Gun Control darling michael coblenz and his attempt to slander and libel armed law abiding citizens who refuse to swim around in the defenseless victim pooI. That little problem is History Confirms Gun Control in any shape, matter or form is an agenda Rooted in Racism and Genocide.
Just say No to Gun Control michael coblenz. Perhaps you won’t think like the sick, racist Gun Control military wing of the democRat Party known as the kkk and the genocide Gun Control nazi third reich. Or you can always go pound sand.
So, is that site non-satire? I have to ask, because that is one of the most heartlessly condescending “jokes” I’ve read in a LONG time.
Sad that the people who claim to care can be so callous about human life.
Dictionary Definition— Michael Coblenz
Douche Bag Extraordinaire
The sarcasm is certainly a little on the sick side but I am sure the Far Right nut cases actually agree with Coblenz. Most of the Far Right are not that far enough advanced on the evolutionary scale to even realize that Coblenz was using sarcasm.
“The sarcasm is certainly a little on the sick side …” says our resident asshole. That’s an understatement if I ever did read one.
Think Sarcasm is Funny? Think Again
* Like spices in cooking, sarcasm is best used in moderation. Too much will overwhelm the emotional flavor of a conversation.
* When a person is consistently sarcastic, it may only serve to heighten their own underlying hostility.
* Clever wit, as opposed to sarcasm, is usually devoid of hostility and thus more appreciated by others.
” … sarcasm is actually hostility disguised as humor.” — https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/think-well/201206/think-sarcasm-is-funny-think-again
And nothing that Coblenz wrote is humorous.
When I think about what I am generally sarcastic towards……….yeah I think I am ok with it being considered hostile. Neat read thank you.
The other day, someone told me, “Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.”
I replied, “Thought of that yourself, did ya?”
“Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.” (I know you were quoting someone else, and then mocking them, but you quoted the statement).
Nah, if you’re sufficiently erudite (Gotcha, again!) you know that “A pun is the lowest form of humor.”. (And I love a good pun, so what does that say abou tme????)
Why don’t you move to the country of UTOPIA “MEXICO”!!!
All guns in MEXICO are “CONTROLLED” by the Gov’t!!!!
Yep, all guns (except the ones in the hands of the cartels (which is probably most of them), and the ones in the hands of the crooked Federales and police. And that’s apparently the system our idiot gun controllers want to establish, here.
How’s that workin’ out for Mexico, anyway?
A little sarcasm for YOU. ALL LEFTISTS ARE FÙĆĶÎÑĞ MORONS.
Oh, wait that’s not sarcasm, it’s a FACT.
He’s just another KJP that thinks parents shouldn’t have any say in how their children are raised. (And if you do, you’re an intolerant hater.)
Perhaps the most recent example of rebranding involves “Parental Rights.” This is how conservatives now sell book bans and restrictions on medical care for transgender youth. After all, what kind of monster doesn’t support the right of a parent to protect and safeguard their own child? “We’re not banning books,” they say, “we’re not discriminating against gay or transgender children,” conservatives add, “we’re simply protecting the rights of parents to safeguard their children.” That just sounds so much better, doesn’t it?
Who the hell is Michael Coblenz and why should I even care what he thinks?
It shifts ALL attention to the inanimate object rather than the person pulling the trigger. It also mocks any personal responsibilities!
This reminds me of the vacuous leftists who use to wander around saying “what if they gave a war and nobody came” as if it was the most profound utterance they had ever managed. This silliness requires about the same level of intellectual rigour.
The point to that saying was that the South-East Asia war was a farce. France was trying to hold on to its colonies, couldn’t manage it and the US had to get in. No one in this country wanted the war other than those that profited from manufacture of products for the military.
All it did was bring the middle class to the rest of the world’s level, it helped no one.
That bumper sticker was not used around here for the wars in the middle east, at least we had some reason to be there, but we should just invaded with all we had and put the screws to those countries until they turned over Osama bin Laden to us.
An action like that might have gotten us in trouble with the UN, but it would have sent a strong message to the world who was really in control.
That utterance was made on the assumption those on the other side had the same opportunities and consequences we had.
The peaceniks did know those of the other side who rejected a call up at best faced years in prison for “hooliganism” or execution for treason.
“recently wrote a book about the damaging impact of culture wars on American politics”
How to say I despise my fellow citizens .
You could remove the second amendment from the bill of rights, ban all guns, force buy backs etc and you’d still have mass shootings, it’s not the guns it’s never been the guns, but what do I know.
“it almost seems as if the biased liberal media has coined the term to embarrass gun rights advocates, and to make them look callous and uncaring.” – Not wrong there, although the author probably thinks it’s sarcasm.
You could say the same about the First Amendment, journalists, print media, the internet, just ban all thought and speaking – and you would STILL have warped minds like Coblenz, Minor Irritant and lil’ d spewing their word salad.
I believe this shooting in Texas is a manufactured crime created by the federal government. I believe the federal government along with selected state and local governments. Are manufacturing crimes, in order to increase public support for repeal of the second amendment. And to get enough of the public to support, the confiscation of all privately owned firearms.
Yes I know that sounds crazy. It sounds like a wild conspiracy theory.
I thought it was pretty wild to learn that Attorney General Eric Holder wanted to frighten the public into giving up their guns, by getting hundreds or thousands of Mexican citizens murdered.
When he and President Obama, shipped thousands of guns to Mexican gangsters. At least one of those guns ended up in the hands of the Paris France bombers several years ago.
Yes I know it all sounds crazy.
But I was told that the federal government was allowing cocaine to be shipped into the United States. And then flooding it in the black community. Causing drug addiction to increase and crime to increase. But that’s just another conspiracy theory isn’t it???
It doesn’t sound crazy, Hitler used the same tactics to polarize the German citizens against the Jews so he could murder them.
Every tyranny begins with polorizing the public against an ‘enemy’ selected by those who want to be in power.
It was a favorite tactic of the British too. Its been used the world over, Russia, China, Europe, etc…
Hitler had his own version of “bread and circuses” and he made sure that the German people had access to them. While he systematically violated their human rights. But the German people where well entertained with the “government bread and circuses”.
In America the “bread and circuses” are called called, “drug [email protected]@tion” and “raising the amount of a misdemeanor up to $950”.
“I believe this shooting in Texas is a manufactured crime created by the federal government. I believe the federal government along with selected state and local governments. Are manufacturing crimes“
How interesting! What evidence do you have to support this extraordinary claim?
And the shooting in Texas you referenced, which Texas State and local governments are involved in manufacturing crimes?
The Uvalde Police Department.
The Broward County of Florida school board and the Broward County and Sheriff’s department. Also the Federal Bureau of Investigation in Florida.
“How interesting! What evidence do you have to support this extraordinary claim?”
in case you didn’t realize it he was giving opinion.
but now that you jumped into it without understanding like you do for most things and turned it in a fact…what evidence do you have Miner49er that what he said is not true?
“what evidence do you have Miner49er that what he said is not true?“
He made the claim, the burden of proof is upon him.
The default position for any claim is disbelief, until sufficient credible evidence is presented to warrant belief.
Is it reasonable to have a belief that is not supported by evidence?
COOL STORY, BRO!!! Now do your idiot beliefs in all your Leftist/fascist policies. Where is your evidence that ANY of them work, or ever have, you lying @$$clown??????
The members of Uvalde Police Department collectively, made a conscious decision, to not intervene in the murder of school children and their teachers.
The local government of Broward County Florida made a conscious decision to not prosecute and remove from school a documented violent student. Who had threatened to shoot people. The local government collectively, and consciously, chose to keep a known dangerous student in school.
Look up the Gleiwitz incident which was a staged provocation by Nazi Germany to justify the invasion of Poland.
Thank You. I will check that out.
You do know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth don’t you?
About 6 months.
This is his idea of sarcasm, people would say. But its much more than that.
It demonstrates that these horrific events comitted by mentally ill criminals and the victims of these horrific events is nothing more than a punch line to the left wing, something the left wing exploits to stir up emotion and get votes, another way for the left wing to dance in the blood of the victims.
It also demonstrates the ignorance of the left wing in not understanding the difference between mental illness driven criminality and constitutional rights for the law abiding.
And of course, it also demonstrates the sick twisted mindset of the left wing mental illness.
The depth of depravity demonstrated by Coblenz here of course is being celebrated by dacian and Miner49er.
The only thing the left wing media is interested in is the pursuit of political power. Where’s the left wing media reflection on getting the Russia Collusion story completely backwards? Of course the propagandists knew what they were doing. President Obama knew about it. Where’s that story?
“getting the Russia Collusion story completely backwards“
I don’t know, but it does look like the Mueller investigation into the Russian interference actually charged, convicted and sentenced some witches.
Partial list of those convicted and sentenced:
“Former Trump 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort: Sentenced to 7.5 years in prison this March for bank and tax fraud and crimes related to his work as a political consultant in Ukraine.
Trump’s former personal attorney Michael Cohen: Received a three-year prison sentence in Dec. 2018 for tax evasion, bank fraud, lying to Congress and campaign finance violations.
Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos: Convicted of lying to investigators about about Russian contacts. He served 12 days in prison and in October, filed to run for former Rep. Katie Hill’s California seat.
Richard Pinedo: The California man was sentenced to six months in prison in Oct. 2018 for selling bank account numbers to Russians who engaged in election interference. He has no known connection to Trump.
Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan: Pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators about his work for law firm Skadden, Arps, Meagher, & Flom LLP and Affiliates in 2012. He was sentenced to 30 days in prison and a $20,000 fine.
Ex-Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI. After cooperating extensively in multiple investigations, Gates was sentenced in December to 45 days in jail, three years of probation and 300 hours of community service.“
Remind me again, how many Barack Obama/Joe Biden administration officials sentenced to federal prison?
COOL STORY, BRO!!
Now list the SOLELY PROCESS CRIMES of which they were convicted,
you lying liar of a lying propagandist. You’re too pathetic and disgusting to even hate; all I have for you is pity that your are sentenced to a life as a useless quarter-wit.
“Remind me again, how many Barack Obama/Joe Biden administration officials sentenced to federal prison?”
Is that your test for right vs wrong? You aren’t familiar with a concept called corruption? Are you playing dumb again, or are you just too dumb to notice that those convictions you listed didn’t include any Russian Collusion? They went after anyone connected to Trump and conflated unrelated charges to Russia, Russia, Russia so the low IQ, ignorant, and/or evil Democrat voters (like you) would think the Mueller investigation was actually legitimate.
You must have missed the Durham report which showed there was zero legitimate evidence to start the crossfire hurricane investigation. It was started based on political oppo-research (which turned out to be complete lies) paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC, both of which were fined by the FEC for the exact crime they’re trying to pin on Trump with Stormy! I bet less than half the country is even aware of that fine, yet they’ve all heard about the Stormy investigation. It’s funny how that works out. It’s almost like the media is a corrupt partner of the DNC and the US security state.
The real crime is that everyone at the top knew it was all a lie from the beginning. That includes the president at the time, Obama. Using the security state to go after your political opponent is 100x worse than Watergate. You don’t care because you don’t know the difference between right and wrong. Right to you is your preferred political party winning, no matter how they do it. You embody everything that is wrong with this country.
P.S. The crimes of lying to investigators during the course of the investigation was due to there being a completely illegitimate investigation in the first place. If we had a proper, moral, legal security state to begin with, those crimes wouldn’t even exist. Yes, it’s still wrong to lie to federal investigators. Just shut up, and don’t even talk to them.
Also Miner, let’s not forget about you falling for and defending that illegitimate investigation from the beginning. Do you ever get tired of being wrong about everything?
“Now list the SOLELY PROCESS CRIMES“
Nice doublespeak, a criminal offense is a criminal offense, there is no such classification as a “process crime”, you’re just spouting bullshit.
Evidently, you did not read the post because the actual convictions are listed, is conspiracy a crime?
“Trump campaign deputy chairman Rick Gates: Pleaded guilty in Feb. 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI“
“You must have missed the Durham report“
Nope, I’m familiar with the Durwood report, tell me how many folks he indicted as a result of his investigation, and how many convictions he achieved?
With regards to Russian collusion, are you familiar with the United States presidential national security advisor general Mike Flynn?
“Donald Trump’s former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn claims he is being “persecuted“ by the Army who are trying to recoup almost $40,000 he was paid by the Russian government.
The retired Lieutenant General was paid $38,557.06 by Russian state-controlled television network Russia Today to attend a December 2015 gala.
“The Army has determined that you did not obtain the necessary approvals before engaging in employment activities with Russia Today (RT), a foreign government controlled entity. Specifically, between December 10-13, 2015, you traveled to Russia and spoke at a conference hosted by the Russian news agency Russia Today (RT).”
I would say an investigation that revealed Trump’s national security advisor to the White House receiving $40,000 from Russian state media and having dinner with Vladimir Putin would be a very successful investigation.
Receiving thousands of dollars from a foreign adversary while serving as the national security advisor and then lying about it is the very definition of Russian collusion by the Trump administration.
And you support that, you got that Russian jizz all over your face buddy.
“Nice doublespeak, a criminal offense is a criminal offense, there is no such classification as a “process crime”, you’re just spouting bullshit.”
Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot you were stupid and uneducated, and knew nothing about the law. In the first instance, there most certainly is a recognized legal category called “process crimes”, you ignorant shitbag. In the second instance, the fact that your corrupt Deep State (PROVEN to be lying, corrupt, traitors, and oathbreakers), have managed to keep their corrupt Deep State buddies to cover for them, and keep Barry Soetoro, Senile Joe, Hillary Klintoon, Chuck Schumer, and Nancy Pelosi (to name just a few) out of jail is proof of exactly nothing except how corrupt the Dimocrat party and the Deep State (ah, but I repeat myself) actually is.
“And you support that, you got that Russian jizz all over your face buddy.” Now that’s some funny shit, right there, scrotum breath – it was your Black Chicago Jesus who told us all we were right wing nuts to be treating Russia and Putin as enemies . . . and you standing there with Barry Soetoro cum all over your chin, you insignificant, lying little shitweasel.
That’s your Russian collusion? We didn’t need the Mueller investigation to uncover that. The DOJ could have gone after Flynn for that. Why didn’t they? They still haven’t, have they? They just got him for lying to the FBI about contact with the Russian ambassador. People in politics regularly use their previous positions for profit. Check out the money, gifts, and positions given to the Biden family. Heck, Hunter was paid $3.5 million by the former mayor of Moscow. Now why would they pay Hunter? People are often paid an exorbitant amount for a speech as a way to launder influence money.
“And you support that, you got that Russian jizz all over your face buddy.”
Very classy, Miner. We expect no less from you. Where did you get that I support Americans being paid by Russia? Why don’t you quote me so we can be clear about it.
It looks like you’re pretty upset that Flynn was paid $40k to show his face in Russia. How do you feel about Bill Clinton being paid $500k by a Russia-based bank, with close ties to the Russian government, to give a speech? Now why would his speech be worth $500k to Russian bankers? It just so happens that the former president’s wife, Hillary, was the Secretary of State (and presumed future president) at that time. It’s interesting that the company’s chairman donated $2.35 million to the Clinton Foundation as Uranium One was being acquired. The Clinton Foundation ended up with $145 million coming from those linked to Uranium One and UrAsia Energy. Hillary’s position as Secretary allowed her to object to that deal. Members of Congress asked Hillary to refuse visas to certain Russian officials. Clinton denied the request. It’s funny how pro-Russia the Clintons were when it personally benefited them. Putin actually called Bill Clinton to personally thank him for the speech. Why haven’t you been screeching about that? Which case had more implications, Flynn or the Clintons? It’s almost like you’re just a shallow partisan who doesn’t care about right or wrong as long as it’s your “team” (who doesn’t care about you) winning.
Even Wikipedia has a definition of “process crime” —
In United States criminal procedure terminology, a process crime is an offense against the judicial process. These crimes include failure to appear, false statements, obstruction of justice, contempt of court and perjury.
Process crimes are sometimes a basis for a “pretextual prosecution”, in which prosecutors bring process crime charges against a defendant in order to punish them for another crime for which a conviction is more difficult to obtain.
Decent (but incomplete) definition of “process crime”, but you caught MajorLiar out quite well by quoting an easily-accessed definition from a LEFTIST source, that he didn’t even bother to look up.
I could riff for hours on the scope of “process crimes”, and the ways they are used to manufacture prosecutions of “unfavored people”, but it would bore the bejesus out of you. Trust me, every single one of those “Mueller convictions” was a “process crime” (which also includes the infamous “perjury trap” strategy).
Unfortunately, MajorLiar is bereft of the cerebral capacity to understand the concept. Plus, it doesn’t fit his beloved “narrative”.
“Flynn was paid $40k to show his face in Russia. How do you feel about Bill Clinton being paid $500k by a Russia-based bank, with close ties to the Russian government, to give a speech“
Do you not really know the difference or are you just playing dumb?
General Flynn was serving in the United States government in a national security intelligence billet when he had illicit contact with the Russians, and then he lied about it.
Bill Clinton was a private citizen being paid for a celebrity speaking engagement.
“Michael Thomas Flynn (born December 24, 1958) is a retired United States Army lieutenant general who was the 24th U.S. National Security Advisor for the first 22 days of the Trump administration. He resigned in light of reports that he had lied regarding conversations with Sergey Kislyak“
It is fascinating to watch you folks continue to deny the direct connection between the Russian government and the Trump administration, just fascinating!
“Bill Clinton was a private citizen being paid for a celebrity speaking engagement.”
Wait, let me get this straight – is it your contention, MajorLiar, that a private citizen (who, BY DEFINITION, is in possession of “state secrets” – min fact, probably more, and ‘deeper’ than any mere general is going to know) is not capable of treason???? Or is it that, “obvious evidence of foreign influence is OK, if the person being influenced is a civlian,” Which one of those is your lame-ass argument based upon???
Or is it, as it seems to be, “Dimocrats good; Republicans bad!”. Kinda what it sounds like, you two-faced, lying shitbag.
For bonus points, tell us what percentage of the Clinton crime family’s gross income is attributable to foreign enemies, vs. what percentage of the Trump family income is from similar sources? Just curious.
Lord GAWD, you are such a transparent, lying propagandist.
Or is it just, “it’s different when WE do it!”. Please clarify.
“General Flynn was serving in the United States government in a national security intelligence billet when he had illicit contact with the Russians, and then he lied about it.”
What are talking about? Flynn had been retired from the military for over a year when he got paid to attend the RT function. Trump had not been sworn into office, so Flynn wasn’t part of the Trump Administration at that time. It’s a massive stretch to even use the Emoluments clause in his case. That’s a new interpretation of it. They’re really reaching to get him with something, but you can’t see that because you don’t want to see it. The illegitimate FBI Crossfire Hurricane investigation into the Trump campaign began five months before that! That dinner had nothing to do with the investigation. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re desperately clinging to the Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory which has been proven to be a complete farce. The media made a bunch of noise about every Russian connection they could find so the low IQ, ignorant, and/or evil Democrat voter (like you) would believe the Mueller investigation was legitimate. And here you are still refusing to acknowledge reality. Orange Man Bad! He has to be! He’s a traitor!
I love how you act like Bill Clinton was just some regular Joe Citizen. He was closer to the levers of power than Flynn was during that dinner. $40k vs $500k, plus millions to the Clinton Foundation. (Let’s not forget $3.5 million to crack addict Hunter.) The former president who’s wife was the Secretary of State and the presumptive future president at the time the Clintons were raking in millions from Russia (and other countries). Hillary also happened to have the power to deny the Uranium One deal. It’s funny how the media was completely uninterested in that. Of course, you just mindlessly follow the media’s lead. That’s why they do what they do. You aren’t the only one.
We went through this as it happened. You never learn anything because you don’t want to learn. You want to be fed what you want to hear so you can live in your fantasy world. There was plenty of evidence available five years ago to see this was a fabricated conspiracy theory. The FBI, Special Counsel, Obama Administration, and Clinton campaign knew it was a lie from the beginning because they were the ones lying about it! You don’t care about that because it isn’t about right or wrong for you. It’s about Team Democrat winning, no matter what. What does that do for you anyway? They don’t deserve that kind of blind loyalty from anyone.
“Bill Clinton was a private citizen being paid for a celebrity speaking engagement.”
Sir or Madam: Your naivety astounds me.
To Booger Brain
Last week Fareed Zakaria made a complete fool out of Butt Head Greg Abbot in Texas when Butt Head tried to blame mass shootings solely on mental illness. In reality Fareed pointed out that tough New York Gun laws resulted in way less mass shootings and gun homicides as compared to Texas where any nut case can buy a second hand gun. And Fareed pointed out there is no less mental illness in New York as compared to Texas proving that New York’s gun control works far better than the zero gun control of second hand guns in Texas.
Try again Booger Brain your way out of your league,
Classic temper tantrum. I got a two year old granddaughter that can debate better than you. But then she’s probably already better educated than you.
Topps and fuck you.
” … proving that New York’s gun control works far better … ”
Asshole, you’re going to have to show the decrease in the rate of firearm homicides after NY passed its UBC law, for you to prove your assertion. I bet that you can’t — or won’t.
Off the top of my head Rochester and Buffalo have had a higher murder rate than any Texas city of similar sizes and Syracuse is right around the worst that Texas has.
Lol same to increased thus far.
dacian the demented dips***,
“. . . your out of your league,” (Please note your inability to distinguish between “your” and “you’re”, and your ending a sentence (or did you just run out of brain cells to finish it??) with a comma. You uneducated lout.
Why, yes, dacian the demented, yes, he is . . . his intellectual ability AND education so far outstrip yours that you attempting to debate him is like pitting Floyd Mayweather against a Cub Scout, but thank you for noticing.
Now, tell your story again, using Chiraq (and NY is going to become a copy of Chiraq, unless SCOTUS decides to get its head out of rectal defilade). And don’t even start with your “Iron Pipeline” idiocy – we’ve debunked that idiocy so many times, our fingers are getting tired of telling you how stupid you are.
P*** off, clown.
Thanks, once again, for proving my comments about you have been correct.
Because these people truly believe that the ends justify the means.
There is no act too reprehensible if the ut0pian goal is reached. Whose ut0pia is the question.
Another idlot who cannot differentiate between “keep and bear” and “murder”.
I was looking for this comment. The Second Amendment allows us to murder people? That’s news to me.
The appropriate names would be “Liberal aided and abetted and approved killings” or “Liberal approved gun free predator shooting gallery empowerment zones”
I could also go with “prime examples of the ‘effectiveness’ of gun control”.
I would imagine most of the people shuting up people have never heard of the second amendment.
Coblenz is half-right. Let’s celebrate every DGU (and every instance of Justice, even when it isn’t “nice”), and let the law reflect the same.
Sure. Hey, I can play this game too! I vote we call Pride Parades “Filthy Degenerate Subhuman Pedophile Celebration Marches.” How does that sound? Except mine actually has some truth in it. Fuck off Coblenz, you bitter shell of a human being.
SOME truth. Before you shrieking mimsies read over that comment and have a brain aneurysm.
If nothing else the community established monkey pox as a std in ways that were quick to be memoryholed
Sure. Why not?
We can have 1st amendment celebrations too. No more canceling.
And we’ll rebrand rape, molestations, etc… as celebrations of sex positivity.
“We can have 1st amendment celebrations too. No more canceling.”
Great, so I can expect the conservatives to stop using automatic weapons to ‘cancel’ Bud Light because a private corporation decided to exercise their First Amendment right to put a particular image on their product?
Why can’t conservatives express their displeasure with bud light? Or is honest discussion not part of 1a?
bud light had a right to put any image it wished on its product. And deal with the market results of such a decision.
If bud light wished to be a niche beer for the alphabet community then hopefully they got their wish.
Miller Lite apparently decided they wanted to become a niche beer for the feminist community. Their market research sucks. I stop at gas stations a lot. The demographic I’ve seen buying beer at gas stations don’t look like they’re a part of either of those communities. People are sick of the mega corporations working hand-in-hand with Democrats to push their cultural Marxism on us.
And we have every right, to express our disapproval in their new image by not buying their products.
Get woke, go broke. Hollywood is
discovering this the hard way.
Wow, MajorLiar, this is really some “next level” imbecility, even for you. “Right wingers” are exercising their 1A rights, by exercising their 2A rights??? That’s some GALAXY-BRAIN thinking, MajorLiar!!!!
YES, AB-InBev has the right to make any stupid-ass commercial they want (you ignorant @$$clown) . . . and we have a right to to voice OUR disagreement, up to and including not buying their shitty-ass “beer” (Q: Why is Bud Light like having sex in a canoe?” A: “Because they’re both f***ing close to water!”).
Boycotting a company you don’t like isn’t “cancel culture”, and, YES, the Leftist/fascists are welcome to boycott anything they want (1A, ignorant @$$clown, 1A). What you Leftist/fascist shitweasels insist on doing in enlisting “the gummint” to put their thumb on the scales.
I can’t boycott Bud Light; I haven’t drank that horsep*** since I was in my first year in college. Check out AB-InBev’s market value, and ACTUAL SALES, since their idiot idea of an advertising campaign fell face down in a cow pie. Y’all Leftist/fascists are to stupid to get in out of the rain.
“Oh, I’ve got it . . . I don’t like frat guys (’cause none of them would even give me a mercy f*** in college), so I’ll dump that market, and appeal to the idiot crowd, who thinks that Dylan Mulvaney is “stunning and brave”!!).
How’d that work out for her, anyway?? Are flaming queens, and men cosplaying women in the most HEINOUSLY misogynistic, stereotyped, caricaturish vision of a “woman” flocking to stores and bars to buy Bud Light??? No, no they are not – Bud Light’s (and ALL AB-InBev brands, across their entire portfolio) are sinking faster than the Titanic.
Great job, you idiots!!! Dylan salutes you! @$$clowns.
“(Q: Why is Bud Light like having sex in a canoe?” A: “Because they’re both f***ing close to water!”).”
Crude, but funny. Thanks for the laugh.
Always with this imaginary right to be free from consequences.
Any corp can put any image they want on their product and the consumers can react anyway they want.
MINOR Miner49er, Excuse me but when did a Conservative ever use an automatic weapon in a demonstration show displeasure over Bud Light’s support for people who are gender confused? Other than Kid Rock. And it was not at a protest, it was done in private videoed for your viewing pleasure.
let’s call tem gun free zone tests.
Does Grace ever post anything of substance, that is something other than obvious troll bait?
This is a new low for democrats. They usually stand on the bodies of dead people to advance their agenda – now they stand on the bodies of dead people to tell jokes.
These are vile people and there is no co-existing with them. Pass laws restricting abortion, eliminating leftist curricula from schools, expand the right to bear arms and watch them flee your state.
Democrats should be forced to live in the shitholes they create.
Guess there are a lot of patriotic people in Chicago.
I have a better idea: call mass murder “postnatal abortion” and liberals will sing its praises. Then we can lock up the killers and their political fandom at the same time.
The Second invokes “the security of a free state”. Criminal use of arms does not contribute to the security of a free state, so it is not a Second Amendment use.
What the frak do they teach in journalism schools these days? In high school journalism class when I was a teen, “know your subject!” was right up there with “verify your info” and “examine your sources”.
? Site wouldn’t let me edit. I just wanted to add that an actual “Second Amendment Celebration” would happen when a law-abiding citizen neutralized any threat from a criminal.
“What the frak do they teach in journalism schools these days?”
Advocacy journalism — an oxymoron if there ever was one.
It’s an Opinion piece and labeled as such. Did you know that Fox News, for example, has both News & Opinion shows?
I answered Roymond’s question. And I don’t watch Fox News.
Is it your contention that “news shows” actually report straight news, without obvious bias??? Because, if so, just come right out and say that, don’t pussyfoot around.
I’m in the mood for a good laugh. Ever heard of “clown nose on; clown nose off””, you babbling idiot??? We had Rachel Mad-cow’s OWN LAWYERS arguing to a court that “everyone knew” that Mad-cow was an “entertainment” show, not a news show (despite the way she’s been marketed). Anderson Cooper plays it ‘straight down the middle’, is THAT your idiot contention, you simpleton???
Wow, your parents must be proud.
The correct answer to Raymond’s question is that this is an example of an editorial, not journalism.
And Fox News was used as an example. I guarantee that whatever site you get your news from also has opinion pieces.
“What the frak do they teach in journalism schools these days?”
“The correct answer to Raymond’s [sic] question” — is exactly what I stated.
I have a journalism degree (BSJ ’81) and worked in the field (print, radio and television news) for over ten years. Want to match knowledge about the profession?
Fox, read no name’s response.
You got SERVED, child. You really can’t be as stupid as you sound, unless you are having someone type this for you.
Originally a reply to uncommon_sense 13:57
China tried to restrict procreation. It resulted in a demographic distortion that is affecting their society and economy.
They have an excess of retirees and a shortage of young workers. The recent years economic downturn caused by “the virus of unknown origin” has caused a spike in unemployment with youth unemployment exceeding 20%.
Between expectations to get a good education, well paying job in the 996 culture (9am-9pm, 6 days per week), purchase a property and a car which are prerequisites to getting a partner and marriage, and to support their parents and grandparents in their old age (China doesn’t have much in the way of welfare), many youth are deciding to “lie flat” and/or “let it rot” (terms which are now unwords in Chinese s0cial media).
And this demographic shortage not only impacts working age people but military age people too. The PLA may not only have to adjust their standards but lower the bribe price as well. Corruption is so endemic recruits have to bribe for enlistment but again for promotions.
That is some truly lousy sarcasm. Perhaps we should check the author for drug intoxication. What we really need to do is call mass murders “mentally sick instigated tragedies”, usually in done by leftists to force citizens to be disarmed and left defenseless.
Truck driver in Oregon crash that killed 7 arrested on DUI charges > https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/truck-driver-in-oregon-crash-that-killed-7-arrested-on-dui-charges/ar-AA1bqdXT?OCID=ansmsnnews11 (dated Yesterday which was 19 May 2023)
Lets call mass-killing by a drunk driver “Just Do As I want Celebration”
That one made the news. But in the mean while on 19 May 2023 across the United States there was a mass-killing of 137 people (collectively) by drunk drivers not counting these seven in Oregon and these others did not make the news. Anyway … the Oregon mass-killing by a drunk driver should serve as justification to ban trucks, right?
.40 cal Booger
I hate trucks, especially those big ones that go “psh-psh” and bend in the middle. (Chuckle.)
“Second Amendment Celebrations?”
Not even close Coblenz, you Sick, Twisted F**ktard.
Mass Shooting are Second Amendment Infringements, because the victims were intentionally and Maliciously Disarmed by Democrats and Progressive Laws that haven’t prevented a Single Mass Shooting.
Shootings performed by Mentally Ill Individuals that YOU MARXISTS GROOMED To Perform Their Heinous Acts.
You need your Ass kicked Coblenz.
“Americans can be reminded of what the Second Amendment means to all of us??” The intentional ignorance displayed herein is breathtaking. A 10 year old could debate this fool into a logical sinkhole of his own making without breaking a sweat.
This is fu$KING stupid. The next thing you know they’ll start banning gas stoves and push ESG.
But Why not celebrate like the OLD days?
During the “Founding ERA” [ see current Supreme Court rulings ] the founders had “public Mass shooting incidents.
Like the inveterate partiers they were they made a Law inviting [ ordering ] ALL gun owners going to these [ sensitive places ] Party centers, to Bring a Brace of pistols, or one a long arm.
They wanted to Share, not desperate for only one person be able to “PARTY”.
Who is Colbenz and more importantly, who cares? Just another leftest liberal who can’t see the big picture.