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Changing Attitudes About Guns in Places of Worship: IMI Systems Quote of the Day

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“Congregations are being offered security training for ushers and others. Some security firms offer free handgun training for clergy so pastors can be licensed to carry—on Sunday mornings, in the pulpit. There seems to be little understanding that carrying guns in church is, at the very least, an exception to Christian practice. Now it seems to be considered conforming to Christian teaching. Hands held up from the waters of baptism holding a gun are more and more considered orthodox.” – Kyle Childress in A Texas church’s real talk about guns [via christiancentury.org]

 

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  1. Protecting the weak is a very Biblical principle. Shepherds watching over their flocks are common figurative and literal characters in the Bible.

    A Christian who calls the police to use a firearm on their behalf does not absolve himself (or herself) of the moral implications of the use of the firearm. If you believe you should be protected in church, might as well be carrying yourself.

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  2. The number 20 seems to be the magic number. Twenty or more murdered at the Pulse might club, and most homosexuals wake up. Twenty or more Christians in a church and most Christians wake up. Its very sad but it seems it takes at least 20 people to be murdered in a single location before people start to wake up.

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  3. Where is his righteous indignation and outrage at the medical community being the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA? Full of 💩.

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  4. Love my quality ARs. However, enjoy and shoot just as much (maybe more) my HiPoint 9mm, 45 cal. carbines. Now eagerly waiting for 10mm. Great fun, accurate, indoor ranges Winter. Oh forgot, $300 !!!!!!!!
    I’ll now await the elite gun snobs’ abuse.

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  5. I have trained armed church security teams in self-defense law and the Bible and self-defense for nine years. Since the Sutherland Springs, TX, massacre, demand for my services has gone up. My own congregation just asked me to help them start a team. One of the elders said he has asked 3 people to worship in the past month. EACH ONE asked, “Do you have armed security?” When he said no, they replied that that in that case, they would not come. For the Biblical justifications for self-defense, the military, and the death penalty, see my book, “A Time To Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism”.

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  6. Has anyone ever stepped up in court and argued that the instruction, “shall not be infringed.” applies to BOTH the right of the People to keep and bear arms, and to a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state?

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  7. If the BUL Cherokee pistol was sold stateside, the Israeli-made handgun would compete with the CZs, Jerichos and Caniks of the world.

    No. It would compete with eaa (tanfoglio) witness poly:

    https://eaacorp.com/index.php?option=com_djcatalog2&format=raw&task=download&fid=73&Itemid=1252

    And SAR b6p:
    https://www.rkguns.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800×800/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/7/17874060.jpg

    Canik, CZ, and Jerichos are a step up from these. Except maybe the Jericho poly.

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  8. As the focus of this whole thing, I will say this:
    There are certain people you do not want to be able to keep and bear.
    How about people who have been adjudicated to be a danger to themselves and others?
    Do you really want someone like Adam Lanza to carry?
    I will repeat: no right is absolute.
    There’s no question about that. The comments here admit that.
    The problem, obviously, is just where does the government (federal, state or local) draw the line?
    Proceed…

    And, if you’re reading my comments, why does the comment section still not work right?

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    • What you are ignoring is the gun laws affect ONLY THE LAW ABIDING , the restrictions only affect them. Given the incredibly low number of prosecutions of prohibited persons attempting to buy firearms and failing the NCIS check, the governments ,local and federal, obviously don’t consider it a useful enforcement tool. Gun law violations are usually plea bargained away by prosecutors.

      BTW Lanza failed a background check and stole his mother’s guns to carry out his attack.

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  9. I use the Model 578 GLS for my TP9SF Elite. I love the adjustability for tightness and the release lever is very natural. It also fits all my Caniks and full size Glocks with minor adjustment.

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  10. It appears that most news outlets including Fox News are reporting that the XM17 and XM18 pistols are reaching the first Army units. However, they have missed that the ‘X’ stands for eXperimental and only used for the pistols during acceptance testing. Once qualified and accepted for production, the X is dropped. So the fielded pistols are models M17 and M18. The same nomenclature is used for planes.

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  11. Maybe this is a strange question, but isn’t a church private property? How then do some state governments justify banning the carrying of arms at church? Wouldn’t and shouldn’t that be up to the governing body of the church if anyone? (This is all going along with the idea that even a license to exercise a constitutionally protected right is constitutional, which is crap as well)

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  12. Spectrum cable formerly known as Bright House cable has terminated carrying the Sportsman Channel channel number 1157 has been removed permanently from the Spectrum cable channel guide. Spectrum cable said that they could not come to an agreeable term of service so they are no longer offering the Sportsman Channel on Spectrum cable. When I called the Sportsman Channel and talk to their representative he told me that Spectrum cable no longer wanted their Channel on their cable network end of story. They tried going through multiple channels talking to multiple people to no avail, Spectrum cable is left extreme left as all get-out. Spectrum cable also bought Bay News 9 which is an affiliate of Channel 9. Which as you know is liberal Progressive globalist left bullcrap News Channel AKA fake news. Spectrum cable sucks balls!

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  13. I don’t have the time or space to give my philosophy on life.
    Or even on the 2A.
    But the very fact that so many say “You can yell fire in a theater IF</B there’s a fire means otherwise you can’t do it. I apologize for not stating the obvious originally.
    So let me put this another way: Yes, your right to keep and bear is absolute, IF your doing so does not put society in general at an unacceptable risk.
    If you’re like me (and you’ve seen my other posts), even that can be ripped. Who decides? What’s unacceptable? That’s why we have courts. D I always agree with the courts? Of course not; that why I refer to the Ninth Circus Court of Appeals.
    But those who think the 2A is sacrosanct, and means even those who walk among us us who are threats to ourselves and others (and happen to be on unsupervised (ie, forced) meds) should be allowed to keep and bear, are living in a world that just doesn’t work in reality.

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  14. Interesting. Looks nicer than the original BULs I have seen.

    But if we can’t get them here it doesn’t matter what they would cost.

    It would be hard to compete with EAA and SAR pistols like this. The seems to run about 275. I imagine this one is more. By a wide margin.

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  15. It’s not that I don’t “trust” the government it’s that cops aren’t always around and the government often displays nearly stunning incompetence.

    Heck, they can’t even keep their new Amtrak train from derailing for ONE run.

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  16. All the stated fears sound reasonable to me, because each and every one was implemented here in Canada. Owning a firearm is illegal according to the Criminal Code of Canada. What happens is that Canadian gun “owners” are given permission to have firearms provided they satisfy certain criteria, and they must renew this permission every five years. Every so often, some of the guns they “own” are prohibited. Sometimes they must be turned in for destruction, and sometimes they are “grandfathered”, which means you may sell them to other gun “owners” who have similar guns (example – FN FALs). There are other complexities that I don’t need to get into now.

    The real question for me is why don’t more American gun owners have these concerns?

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  17. Kelly Thomas and the fact that no cop is ever held accountable for his actions. It’s legal for the police to lie to you. Anything you tell an investigator can not be repeated to a jury if it’s favorable to you. I could go on, but it’s not something I like to spend all day thinking about. Bottom line is don’t talk to the police because they are not your friend.

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  18. Keep in mind hindsight, I’m not glorifying the long pause but today’s training is hit hard with the new warfare and the tactics derived, in short ieds! they changed things drastically and how today’s warfighters are trained, I know Vietnam but the change from terrain is key, and I feel like they boots were itching to leave scuffs but followed orders (movie cliche stuff)

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  19. American police need to find out what SPETZNAZ uses for wall breaching. It creates a one-man size hole in just about any material, allowing soldiers to file in at top speed.
    That would take an excuse away.

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  20. Patton: “Gimme a good plan right now, not the perfect plan tomorrow.”

    Can’t remember his exact words but, pretty much encapsulates my thoughts on the incident.

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  21. whats that? you say your car has faulty seatbelts and if the airbag deploys it could jettison a metal plate capable of decapitating you? quit your whining. simply dont crash your car, idiot. duh.

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  22. It’ll compete with the 45 Raptor which is a 460 S&W with a rim same as a 308. Will work in a 460 revolver with moon clips. It’s actually surprising no one has done this sooner. These are both more powerful than the cartridges you can squeeze into an AR-15. Big game hunting semi-autos should be fun!

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