TORONTO - NOVEMBER 2 :Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaking to a crowd during a fund raising event organized by the Liberal Party of Canada on November 2, 2017 in Toronto, Canada.
Previous Post
Next Post

Someone forgot to tell Justin Trudeau that he can’t stop the signal. On Friday, October 21, the feeble Canadian Prime Minister announced that handgun ownership has been frozen. No further purchases, transfers or imports of handguns are allowed. At least under officially recognized government databases.

And Canada has more plans to crack down on civilian firearm ownership.

The Canadian government said it’s seen a drastic rise in the number of guns in the country over the last decade, with 70% more handguns in Canada than there were in 2010. The gun freeze was implemented as another gun-control bill was working its way through the Canadian parliament — what the government says will be the strongest gun-control measure in more than 40 years. 

But there’s a problem in Prime Minister Zoolander’s land of make-believe…and it’s not legally armed Canadians. It’s the fact that people can and do 3-D print their own handguns or purchase them on the so-called “black market” without asking the Canadian government for permission

The dim-bulb, culturally misappropriating PM wrote this on his website . . .

Fewer guns mean safer communities. That’s why the Government of Canada is implementing some of the strongest gun control measures in a generation. Handguns are the weapon of choice in most firearm-related crimes, which is why limiting the number of handguns is a critical part of our plan to protect Canadians from gun violence.

The Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, today announced the national freeze on the sale, purchase, and transfer of handguns comes into effect. From now on, people cannot buy, sell, or transfer handguns within Canada, and they cannot bring newly acquired handguns into the country.

A national handgun freeze was first announced alongside Bill C-21, the strongest gun control measures in over 40 years, in May 2022. While the bill continues to be debated in Parliament, we are taking immediate action through regulations to keep Canadians safe.

The national handgun freeze is part of the government’s comprehensive plan to tackle gun violence. We have already banned over 1,500 types of assault-style firearms and have strengthened our gun control laws to expand background checks. Bill C-21 proposes further measures to keep guns out of the wrong hands like revoking the firearms licences of those involved in acts of domestic violence or criminal harassment, continuing to fight gun smuggling and trafficking, and providing law enforcement more tools to investigate firearms crimes.

One life taken by gun violence is one too many. We will continue to work with provinces, territories, Indigenous communities, and municipalities to keep Canadians safe. We will continue to do whatever it takes to keep guns out of our communities and build a safer country, for everyone.


What about lives lost because of government-mandated bans on legitimately owning a handgun for personal defense?

Why is the Prime Minister your more inclined to protect criminals than Canada’s law-abiding subjects?

Has the PM never heard of “ghost guns” or 3-D printed guns?

As hard as he tries and as furiously as he flails trying to smother armed self defense in the Great White North, freedom won’t die. Canadians will find a way.


Previous Post
Next Post


  1. isnt he the guy
    that when he told his mistress
    that guns make him afraid
    she told him
    that it was time for both of them
    to start seeing other men

      • “ATF not commenting on undercover Canadian police officer at gun show in Great Falls”

        Not sure the ATF has claimed authority to monitor agents from Canadia.

        Anyway, the “police officer” didn’t need to go inside, just photograph license plates.

        BTW, some 10yrs ago, the Canadian Supreme Court (or equivalent) declared that an action legal in another country but violates Canadian law, is punishable.

        • I had no idea that a foreign nations police force, could come to the USA and operate here, just because they wanted to. And not tell anyone. Or ask if it’s ok???

          “China EXPOSED Running SECRET POLICE In US, Canada, And Europe As Fear Of World War Three Escalates”
          video 32 min long

        • This is what happens when a nation has no National borders. And people are allowed to come and go as they please. Without telling anyone. The Libertarians Liberals and the Left support no National borders, they want open borders for the United States.

          I wonder if these Chinese Communist police officers will get a warrant for any police action??? I wonder if these Chinese police stations operating in the United States, will start handing out Chinese made Glock switches, to anyone that wants one???

        • Chris, the libertarians don’t want no borders, they want private property and no government. Then foreign nationals would not be invading for free stuff, and people who wanted foreign nationals on their property could have that without bothering the rest of us.

          Also, the Republicants have not done anything to close the border, or get rid of the illegals here. Even the great R icon Reagan gave them amnesty, and every time the Rs have controlled congress and/or the white house they have done F all to fix the problem. So I don’t know who you would advocate supporting, since all parties are bad on that one.

        • Chris, once someone has legally entered the country, they have most of the same rights as citizens, including First Amendment rights. Unless he effects an arrest, it doesn’t sound like anything he’s doing is illegal under our laws, photography in public of things in public is not a crime.

        • to The Crimson Pirate

          “Chris, the libertarians don’t want no borders, they want private property and no government”

          No, the Libertarians like government. Because they do not want law-abiding citizens killing criminals out right. Which they could do if there was no government, like the libertarian claim they want.

          Let me know when some libertarian is writing a story about foreign Police Operations inside the United States, spying on American citizens without warrant. Or making people “disappear”. The communist police are really good at making people just disappear.

          Trump was sued by Libertarians, Liberals, and the Left to stop him from building the wall.

      • I’m not seeing the issue. If Canadian law enforcement wants to send officers into the US for gathering intelligence on weapons smuggling then I’m all for it. It is not like they are going to be arresting people in the US.

      • Typical dumb azz thinking. He’s “undercover” with Canadian license plates on his car — duhhhhh. Why not just wear the bright red jacket and really really be undercover?

        Happily, most cops are as dumb as the crooks they think they are chasing.

        • once had that experience of being followed from a gun show…guy was a real klutz, as I “made” him immediately…and pulled into a convenient driveway where I proceeded to eyeball him…found it to be more annoying than threatening….

  2. For decades, Canada hasn’t considered self defense as a valid reason to own a gun. Ditto in most (all?) British Commonwealth countries.

    • Correct. Plus you cannot use more force in self-defense than the force used against you, same as England. So if a woman is being beaten to death by her abusive lover, she can’t shoot him, even if he outweighs her by a hundred pounds. Therefore handguns are only useful for defense against bears.
      My son is planning on moving to Toronto to be with his girlfriend/wife to be. I was planning on leaving half my gun collection to him. Guess that’s off the table.

      • “My son is planning on moving to Toronto to be with his girlfriend/wife to be. I was planning on leaving half my gun collection to him.”

        I would re-consider my financial and estate plans.

      • Mark, as I’ve said to you before this is simply incorrect. Many of us have been forced into using firearms in our defence, both against armed individuals (including cops who see fit not to introduce themselves at zero dark thirty as they make forced entry) and against non armed individuals. There exists precisely zero requirement for “equal force application” and I wish you’d stop spreading such nonsense. What does exist is two boxes on the form to purchase a “restricted” weapon (read: handguns) that state “purpose: target practice” and “self defence”. Check the second box and our self imposed nanny overlords, the much vaunted Revenue Collecting Mounted Patrol will deny the purchase. So right off the bat they force millions of people to flat out lie on the form even though self defence with a firearm is in no way illegal up here. Murder and excessive force, just like you guys, is however heavily frowned upon. Get it right if you’re gonna put shit out there.

        • “The Saskatchewan Court of Queen’s Bench summarized a widespread view of our Courts in that regard as follows:

          …[T]he right of self-defence commences when the necessity for such defence begins and it terminates when the necessity for such self-defence comes to an end. The law, however, requires that the force used in defending oneself must not be out of proportion to the severity of the attack. An attack by fists may be answered by fists but not with deadly weapons such as knives and guns. In exercising the right of self-defence one must use only such force as on reasonable grounds the person attacked believes to be necessary for his own defence. In short, self-defence means defence, not counter-attack.”

          Relevant sections of the Code are Section 34 (defence of person) and Section 35 (defence of property), excerpts of which are set out below:

          Defence of Person

          Defence — use or threat of force

          34 (1) A person is not guilty of an offence if

          (a) they believe on reasonable grounds that force is being used against them or another person or that a threat of force is being made against them or another person;

          (b) the act that constitutes the offence is committed for the purpose of defending or protecting themselves or the other person from that use or threat of force; and

          (c) the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances.

          (2) In determining whether the act committed is reasonable in the circumstances, the court shall consider the relevant circumstances of the person, the other parties and the act, including, but not limited to, the following factors:

          (a) the nature of the force or threat;

          (b) the extent to which the use of force was imminent and whether there were other means available to respond to the potential use of force;

          (c) the person’s role in the incident;

          (d) whether any party to the incident used or threatened to use a weapon;

          (e) the size, age, gender and physical capabilities of the parties to the incident;

          (f) the nature, duration and history of any relationship between the parties to the incident, including any prior use or threat of force and the nature of that force or threat;

          (f.1) any history of interaction or communication between the parties to the incident;

          (g) the nature and proportionality of the person’s response to the use or threat of force; and

          (h) whether the act committed was in response to a use or threat of force that the person knew was lawful.

          Up until 2012, it was unlawful to use deadly force in self defence except when deadly force was being against you. “Section 34 limited the justification of force in self-defence to only such force that was “not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm” unless the person was himself under a reasonable apprehension of death or serious bodily harm.” I suggest that under the new statute, one cannot determine in advance whether one’s use of force is “lawful” as it is quite impossible to weigh the factors in the heat of the moment that are contained within the current statut6e, and that if one does use deadly force, one can anticipate that one will be prosecuted.

      • Mark N, thanks for the reply. The tenant of ‘reasonableness’ is the basis of such laws and both that word and the word “unless” occur multiple times in that legalese screed. I’ve yet to hear of one single case of anyone being tried, much less charged, with any such legislation after a defensive encounter, be it they used a bat or a gun. Now “unsafe storage” or similar weasel worded charges eagerly pursued by Crown Prosecutors looking for a feather in their pointy hat, yes, but our courts aren’t quite the gong show many of your lower courts are and I’m not up to researching it and providing example but you go ahead and you will see what I mean. No Provincial nor Federal Judge up here is gonna put Granny in the tollbooth for shooting a violent criminal advancing on her. None. But yeah, they will take Grannies gat. What about bears or moose; must we repel such boarders with only tooth and claw or mounted antler display, perhaps a hoof ashtray? C’mon man…

    • “…For decades, Canada hasn’t considered self defense…”

      That is correct on several levels as the US provides the majority of Canada’s national defense. I’m old enough to remember when they cased the colors on their only Airborne unit.

      That being said perhaps the American people should have a say in who can own a weapon and can’t.

      • there were five beaches at Normandy…two american, two British and one Canadian…not an insignificant contribution from a country with such a small population….

  3. That communist idiot makes our communist (demonrat) idiots foam at the mouth to be so easily able to put the jack boot on the neck of citizens (subjects).

  4. So that’s the kind of country Canada is? One guy just decides to ban the sale of firearms? He can do that? Like North Korea? What’s the difference?

    • Yeah, he can. Remember that whenever Europeans criticize our government.

      Parliament majority can just start making up laws. That’s how it works. Insane, right?

      • “Parliament majority can just start making up laws. ”

        Simmer down, Whippersnapper. Parliaments rule in the place of a king. Kings were utterly sovereign, parliaments are utterly sovereign.

        Besides, what is the point of having power if you can’t abuse it?

    • Huntmaster, he can do it only at zero dark thirty with political overreach. Again. Still. It wil get reversed one way or another, either in the courts or through dethroning the idiot manchild. If he survives his ‘tenure’ that is…

  5. Is it actually possible to print a functioning firearm that can be shot more than once or twice? By that, I mean, print a functioning firearm with no metal parts atall?

    • There are now 3-D metal printers that can produce fairly high quality stainless steel parts. Who needs plastic unless you are trying to conceal it in places it doesn’t really belong anyway. Anyone with an small lathe can produce metal barrels out of bar stock and even rifle them, with a little skill and ingenuity. FJB, F-ATF.

      • “There are now 3-D metal printers that can produce fairly high quality stainless steel parts.”

        The expense and expertise for metal printers and shop tools should put such guns beyond the street thugs. But also JQ Public at large.


        Banning possession of an item makes it all but useless, except in a deadly emergency. And then, one gets to spend years in prison feeling good about being alive in jail. Of course, in that event, family suffers the loss of house and home.

        There is no really good outcome to defying a ban. To challenge such a law, one needs “standing” (suffer a harm), which requires being convicted of the crime of possession of the banned item.

        • With commonality will come a commensurate reduction in price. Happens with everything on the leading edge of technology. Take plastic 3d printers themselves as a prime example.

          A decade ago, they were unaffordable to the masses. Now you can acquire pretty good precision at a price point in the sub $400 range. Cheap low end Raspberry Pi, or even less is all you need to run them.

          You’ve almost certainly got a 12vdc 2A wall wart lying about to power the Pi, although I’d invest in a regulated supply instead.

        • “…which requires being convicted of the crime…”

          Not necessarily so, it would seem. In the recent temporary restraining order against the ban on concealed carry in churches in New York’s new law, Judge Suddaby wrote the following in the section on Standing.

          “This is sufficient to establish a credible threat of prosecution under the case law cited in Antonyuk I, 2022 WL 3999791, at *15-16.”

          None of the plaintiffs had been arrested for carrying concealed handguns in their churches, pursuant to the new law. They demonstrated their intention to carry in church, but stated that they feared to do so because of a real threat of prosecution. That fear of prosecution, along with a couple other factors, was sufficient to establish standing. The argument is, the curtailing of the right by threat of prosecution, in itself, constitutes harm.

      • …but first you have to want to…not sure most Canadians fit that profile…they’re a pretty docile lot… most of the time….

  6. Canadians want this, he isn’t a dictator. Canadians don’t care about their own rights when it comes to free speech much less self-defense rights.

    It’s a mega-white country full of mega-white-guilt and that’s all you need to know yo understand their politics. There’s no reasoning to any decisions made anymore.

    • Hey, butthead, yer thinking of the inner city housewives that he shamelessly panders to and our shameless media holds forth as being all of Canada. This exact situation exists tenfold in your glorious neck of the woods. Here’s a life hint: don’t be a clown and say clownish things.

  7. The US Canadian border is 5,525 miles long, there are plenty of enterprising folks who live near the border that can move product and you can bet that supply will flow to meet demand. Fortunately I don’t live under Castro Jr., if you do it is up to you to determine if you would let a communist prevent you from being able to acquire the tools you need for self defense.

  8. Are there any Canadians here eh?

    I thought there effectively was no such legal market anyways because Canada stopped issuing “prohibited weapons” (handguns and centerfire rifle) permits long ago? What does he think he’s accomplishing?

    • Mark, I’m always here. See my reply to you above, currently Awaiting Moderation™. Again. Still. You get much wrong (repeatedly) and should educate yourself on a topic before holding forth on it, wouldn’t you agree?

    • Oops, wrong Mark (N), my bad. Mark, we have 3 “classifications” (because reasons) up here: Prohibited, Restricted and Non Restricted. Prohibited = full auto, AK 47 (because more reasons) and handguns with barrel lengths under 4.25″. Restricted = any semi auto with barrel lengths under 18.5″, handguns over 4.25″ and the AR15 and it’s “Derivatives™” (because any reason). What the idiot manchild has done is ‘prohibited’ pretty much all of the restricted class and much of the non restricted class. Ain’t Classifications™ wonderful? With any luck someone will shoot him in the face with an Enfield just to make a point. It’ll look good on him. We can propose it to be a national holiday, like he did for that other queen…

  9. They have a king (Charles), a dictator (Trudeau), AND a “Parliament.”

    Sometimes I almost feel sorry for them. Almost. But then I remember that they voted for this, so they must like it that way.

    • He truly is an effeminate little sh!t. I’ve watched the idiot manchild for years before this, thinking this day was coming and he’s always been that way. The gun grabbing is his way of sticking his finger in the eye of all the other kids in school who hated his guts, which was pretty much everybody. Your guy is simply laughable and embarrassing, our guy is truly despised and easily the most hated individual north of Mexico, I imagine.

  10. C’mon TTAGs, that’s a very unflattering image of Truedough. You’re supposed to save those unflattering images for ugly shoes Shannon Watts, Bloombag, Fartstain and so on.

  11. During the Prohibition era, huge quantities of alcohol moved from Canada to the US. America law enforcement was unable to stop even a little bit of it. Guess what is going to move from the US to Canada during the Canadian gun Prohibition era?

    • first class whiskey…but the only people trying to move guns into Canadian cities is the criminal element…not the general population….

  12. Canada has every right to, impose what restrictions on firearms it so decides and you neglect to mention that it has the overwhelming support of the general public. So I ask where are the STREET PROTESTS against this legislation. Sure the legisaltion is not 100% perfect-no legislatiion everis but I’d advise you not to, think that you as an AMERICAN can buck it Sure there will be smuggling but there si not the public demand to make it much worthwhile for the rsks to be taken. Your AVERAGE CANADIAN certainly does NOT have wet dreams about fireearms nor do they they treat them with near religious reverence. Nor do CANADIANS have any CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS to carry firearms

    Why is it that you Americans seem to,thinkthat other nations Laws and Legistlation is anything to do with you and why do,you mthink that you can flout those laws with impunity just because you are AMERICAN.
    You have no doubt now noticeed that an admitted US SECURITY AGENT a Ms SACOOLAS who killed a UK Citizen in a motoring incident has now been advised by a FEDERAL JUDGE to return to, the UK to care the music of either causing death by careless driving or ‘without due care and attention by driving on the wrong side of the road She has decided to plead guilty the less serious charge of careless driving and will, in addition be charged with ‘perverting the course of Justice because she claimed DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY to which she was not entitled . She will without a doubt be open to paying considerable compensation payments .
    If she had NOT automatically assumed that she would not get a fair deal in a UK Courts the matter would have been dealt with under normal procedures and she would probaly received a substanial fine but rarely would such an incident results in a jail sentence unless she had been under the influence of Drink or Drugs.

    • “It has the overwhelming support of the general public. So I ask where are the STREET PROTESTS against this legislation?”

      Agreed, Canada is overrun by writhing, cowardly worms, eager to give away their rights for a few tasty gulps of maple syrup and boot polish. But at least they aren’t British.

      “Why do you think that you can flout those laws with impunity just because you are AMERICAN?”

      Saratoga and Yorktown come to mind, but mostly it’s because we’re just so much damned BETTER than other “countries.”

    • You get to have a say so when Britian can put a man on the moon! XD
      Here in the United States we are founded on the principal of freedom. We stand behind our guns because it is We The People armed as a Well Regulated Militia that allows the freedom to exist and stay. The USA proves there can be more guns than people in a country and still be a very safe place! The government can’t do whatever it wants as we get to keep it in check. Welcome to America where we are better than you and everyone else. Go take your meds and crumpets and shut up

    • all my dreams are about gunms , had one today during my nap, dreamt I was operating a train and ran it into a flooded river, down we went, and the 3rd boxcar back had all my gunms.
      Then these injuns come a whooping over the bluff and all I had was a .44 and a .25acp.
      It was down to hand to hand but I beat them off.
      Funny I never dreamt I was wallpapering but I woke up with a sticky hand?

    • well al
      not to be a nit picker but your writing and editing skills are extremely weak.
      The border was damn near my back fence line.
      I would imagine that is still the case.
      Demand will always create a supply.
      And who cares about someone that can’t drive?

    • People were warned by the communist inspired government with the last set of protests. The communists will seize your bank accounts, they will destroy your livelihood, they will arrest you without charges, they will attack and beat you. Peaceful protest in Canada is now illegal so next step will be to go straight to attacking government officials following the example of the American Revolution. Tar and feather a few of the Kings men and fewer will sign up to do the bidding of the communists.

  13. Different countries, different cultures, different laws. If Canada wants to go that route, why not? Australia did something similar and it works for them.

    • FYI: There were 370 victims of homicide and related offences – which includes murder, attempted murder and manslaughter – recorded in Australia in 2021.

      That’s all of Australia – 25.8 million people

      • “FYI: There were 370 victims of homicide and related offences”

        Sounds like a great place to live.

        For those who value safety and comfort above all else.

      • You literally posted a reply to yourself to confirm what you previously said? Did you ask you Mom if it’s ok for you to be on the internet first?
        Btw, gun ownership in a country does not corespond with homicide rates. UK has little to no gun ownership but terrible crime rates, people use acid, knives, and now needle injections to victims. But hey there’s no guns!

    • Hasn’t blackface boy heard two dudes stabbed 10(more?)to death last month? Thank the great beaver they didn’t use a gun! This is what happens when you elect a commie dictator with Cuban genes…

        • Civilized? Makes me nervous. Rome swore they were the only civilized country on earth. Britain when it had its boot on the neck of half the world claimed to be civilized. Germany under the leadership of the little corporal claimed it also.

          I think I prefer barbarism.

        • Remove the melenated and then count the total.

          Weapons aren’t the problem. Murder itself isn’t even a problem. One particular segment of the population is the problem. Observed, tested and repeatable. But we can’t talk about it.

      • “Hasn’t blackface boy heard two dudes stabbed 10(more?)to death last month?”

        Well, that is a more mild-mannered means of dealing death.

        Maybe it is time to outlaw/ban stabbing any one individual more than one time, and impose a mandatory blade cleaning between stabbings. Semi-auto (rapid) stabbing should be prohibited.

    • And who says this is what Canada “wants”? You, a bunch of Toronto housewives and the idiot manchild in Ottawa who panders to them for votes, real or fabricated? Give yer head a shake.

    • Horse Pucky! If in one hand and you have a very good idea of what is in the other. This guy is a fruitcake.

      • Satire

        “If guns hadn’t been invented, Lincoln would still be alive today.”

        “This is the trigger which decides whom to murder…”

        The scope receives orders from Nazi Germany. 😂

        • Wally ain’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Not to mention lying about being a cop, or at least how long he was a cop. Immediately followed by telling us all about his vietnam military experience which of course is also now in question because of said previous lie. But wally insists it’s me that’s lying, just picked him out of the blue I guess 😉.

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck Seems you could not figure out how to turn on the light switch. but then what can you expect from a Frozen Brain.

          Seems I’ve never lied. but then again, you have no clue.

        • Booth could have killed Lincoln with a knife…he had no security at the time and attacked from behind….

      • Seems this, seems that… do you even grock english wally? Seems to me it was six years, immediately followed by it being ten, seemingly. Seems you have some ‘splainin to do, bev. Which was it, sarge? And wally, before you lie yet again by calling me the liar, remember: the internet is forever.

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck. Seems your brain is stuck on your own lie. Sucks to be you, huh?
          And that is SERGEANT to you, Canuck. Yep, the internet is forever and you will always be a liar.

        • And there you/he/it goes, just can’t help himself. Six or ten beverly, pick one. Can’t be both now, can it? Or was it really zero… sarge? You don’t even grasp my meaning by “the internet is forever”, do ya, wally?

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck. Seems your brain is stuck on your own lie. Sucks to be you, huh?
          And that is SERGEANT to you, Canuck. Yep, the internet is forever and you will always be a liar.

  14. @Chris T in KY
    “I had no idea that a foreign nations police force, could come to the USA and operate here, just because they wanted to. ”

    There’s that. While State, or DOD, DOJ, DOI, Homeland might have jurisdiction on reporting and dealing with official incursions, thinking the ATF cannot find any justification for jurisdiction, no matter how much they twist and shout.

    Our own practice is enshrined in the practice of New York police (regardless of jurisdiction) can go into New Jersey, and take license numbers of Yorkers shopping in NJ, as a means of paying lower sales tax.

    • I wonder what people would say if the Gestapo came to America to conduct police surveillance on Americans they didn’t like. Or they did “other things” that police sometimes do. Without the US governments knowledge???

      Back when the sovereignty of the States really meant something. If a law enforcement official crossed state lines, for some type of police activity? There was a good chance they could get shot dead. Because no one believed that a policeman from one state had any authority in a different state. That is why the US Marshal Service was created. To cross state lines and catch criminals.

      I understand California is sending it’s police officers across state lines to photograph any California resident identified, by their car license plates, at gun shows and gun stores. In Arizona and Nevada.

      • “if the Gestapo came to America”

        You really need to keep up. The US has hordes of 3 letter Fed agencies in this businss.

        • I don’t think it’s a good idea to call these three-letter agencies the Gestapo. That is like always calling someone a racist or calling someone a homophobe. It dilutes the meaning of the word when you’re really just trying to attack somebody. And you don’t really have an argument.

          Yes these three-letter agencies are corrupt. And I wish they didn’t exist. But they are not the Gestapo just yet.

          There’s a lot of people who want remove qualified immunity from police officers. Well they should be working on removing the union representation in government employees have. If government employees could be easily fired from their job for corruption. It sure would make it a lot easier when dealing with these three letter agencies.

          Unfortunately no one is talking about removing this Union representation from government workers. They are only talk about removing these protections from Government workers called policemen.

      • Chris:
        I don’t know, but I’d be willing to bet that savvy Californians visiting neighboring states park their cars at remote locations BEFORE visiting “gun shows and gun stores.”

      • “I understand California is sending it’s police officers across state lines to photograph any California resident identified, by their car license plates, at gun shows and gun stores. In Arizona and Nevada.”

        Interesting question. One wonders if Californication has some sort of reciprocity agreement with AZ and NV, that allows police from one state to perform police actions against a state resident. Or maybe such cooperation is more widespread than we understand.

      • “we have our people operating in a number of foreign countries…but only with their express permission…”

        Might be short-sighted to not understand that “we have our people” operating without permission, as well.

    • “Fewer guns mean safer communities.”
      Citation needed.”

      More like clarification needed. Fact is that if all firearms were absent from the nation, there would be no deaths by gunfire; which is implicitly “safer”.

      As stated so often, “Law is the root cause of crime; remove the laws, and there would be no crime.

  15. quote———Has the PM never heard of “ghost guns” or 3-D printed guns?——-quote

    Wishful thinking.

    The average law abiding Canadian citizen is not going to risk going to prison, losing his job and paying a huge fine. And what good would it do a citizen to build one as you could never use it in a self-defense situation or take it to a range and shoot it or sell it without the extreme risk of being caught.

    Building a complete and illegal gun is more complex than meets the eye. Also the Canadian government is not as dumb as the far right believe. They can easily dry up parts like firing pins and rifled barrels and all gun parts for that matter making it even more complex and expensive to build an illegal gun. Every part in a gun cannot be made of plastic.

    I do not see ghost guns flooding the markets even in countries that severely restrict or even ban handgun ownership and you would be surprised how many countries ban handgun ownership.

    In reality illegal manufacture of a weapon or even a silencer usual does not last long before the culprit is caught. Even in the U.S. the manufacture of silencers by underground people usually results in them being caught very quickly. Yes occasionally the individual may build a crude copy for his own use and get away with it a bit longer until one of his so called former friends rats on him and he goes to the slammer too.

    Trudeau is correct when he says restricting handguns will lower homicides. All one has to do is compare the one firearm homicide in Japan last year to the 40,000 U.S. deaths per year to verify that.

    Will it pass? I think there is a 95% chance it will as many other countries have already done it.

      • to Jethro W.M.

        If you had paid attention to my many previous posts on this subject you would have not have made that foolish statement.

        In reality the war on drugs was a failure because it followed your far right foolish ideology. In reality decriminalizing drugs as done in civilized countries resulted in saving millions by NOT having to hire armies of thug cops and spend billions incarcerating people. Rather drugs were given free to addict’s with the accompanying treatments to get them off of drugs. Even person of your intelligence level would not spend money on anything that you could get for free. This of course drives most drug dealers out of business. I am not saying you are taking drugs only speaking of what people can get free they do not buy.

        Now feel free to shout the usual school yard insults because you failed again.

    • “ The average law abiding Canadian citizen is not going to risk going to prison, losing his job and paying a huge fine. And what good would it do a citizen to build one as you could never use it in a self-defense situation or take it to a range and shoot it or sell it without the extreme risk of being caught.”

      Uhhhhh. Your right. Except only the criminals will have the guns. The good people? Screw them. Self defense not allowed!

    • dacian, the Dunderhead, Wishful thinking to be sure. There is on glaring problem with this “ban” by Trudeau. The criminals will not obey his dictums. It is naiver or down right stupid to think that the criminal element will follow such folly.

    • Dacian, that 40,000 number is bogus because it counts suicides, and Japan has more suicides, percentage wise, than America…and they DON’T USE FIREARMS! Your evil, statist, Communism schtick is really getting old.

    • “silencers” are easy to make…and to dispose of….you can even fire them inside your house without attracting much in the way of attention…they may not last long, but who cares?….just make another one….

  16. @hawkeye
    “That fear of prosecution, along with a couple other factors, was sufficient to establish standing. ”

    The ruling is circuit particular, a temporary ruling that will be appealed. Look for an injunction against the first verdict, putting the ban back in place, and so goes the merry-go-round.

    Anytime a ban, of anything is in place, violations of the ban will render the defiant ones subject to trial and punishment, thus likely deterring use of the banned item/object.

    “Standing” only means one can proceed with a lawsuit. In the current case, “standing” does not render the ban unenforceable.

  17. My understanding of this from elsewhere on the web is that Trudeau bypassed the normal ways of doing things for this rule and essentially did something equivalent to the US use of an Executive Order.

    While I guess that means it can be undone fairly easily by a future PM, the fact that he would do it in such a way, and given his prior behavior, seems sorta ominous in terms of the overall direction Canada is going. Almost like Trudeau is looking at Australia and thinking “Not nearly enough! Fuck Australia, I can be more like my idols in the CCP!”.

    When you stack together the things this guy seems to believe are righteously held powers of his office, you’re starting to paint a very Germanic picture from the early to mid 1930’s, or a very Russian picture from a decade earlier.

    • Strych9, your evaluation is correct. Our equivalent is called an Order in Council and he is very much abusing that process. The many court cases against his unlawful overreach however may very well shut his pandering and agenda driven nonsense down before he finally gets ousted from office. He’s like a deeply rooted cancer covered in kitten snot though, tough to get a hold of and even tougher to dislodge…

        • Supposedly/traditionally meant for use only in times of national emergencies etc. Good to see those who can get away with it ‘vote’ themselves such powers to ensure we all eat our vegetables. Maybe they used an order in council to first establish the order in council? It’s all quite beyond my simple understanding…

        • From reading about it, it seems there are two forms of Order in Council.

          One for emergency use, almost a Royal Proclamation during a state of emergency and the other as an execution of legislation already passed. The latter being, shall we say, the methodology of how to accomplish a goal laid out in legislation that was properly passed but isn’t reaching its goals due to bureaucratic malfunction of some type.

          This particular example would seem to be a blend of the two into a 3rd type that doesn’t actually seem to exist.

          But then I haven’t really nailed down the difference between Canada and the UK in the specific differences of an Order in Council between the countries yet. One would think that they can’t deviate too much because a lot of this would still require Royal Ascent at some point since it’s all done in the King’s name.

          This seems like something that will require a court and a bunch of lawyers to hash out, as you suggested in your first comment. So ultimately I come away from this saying “Well, here’s what seems to be but the fuck do I actually know about this system I don’t live in?”.

        • I’m only aware of an Order in Council as an instrument to pass an emergency measures act. If there is a second level as you say, then the idiot manchild appears to have desecrated our honored system of wordy nonsense twice. No surprise there. Like Biden, I don’t think he can help himself anymore. Court cases are in play and more, many more, are in the works.

    • J T say:
      “I am an idol of the CCP.”

      To bad he doesn’t know they get a Ghengis moment and kill the traitorous bastards. You’d be a fool not to.

    • I see you guys haven’t yet firmly established the 2A as a Constitutional Right even though it’s been the law of the land for over 200 fucking years, Bigdirt. Your ancestors are likely embarrassed as hell that you’ve turned out no better than anyone else on this planet, after all THEIR sacrifices. Now get to it Bigdirt, march on the Capitol and sort things out. Do it now or stfu and stfd.

  18. Anyone with a concealed carry permit is likely to be hassled more at the border. There is a law enforcement database and Canada has copies. Likely they will assume the worst instead of realizing you have to be a law abiding citizen to get them.

    • guess Sgt. Preston has different priorities these days…think of poor old Bruce [the school bus survivalist guy, and a gentle soul] actually getting raided for no apparent reason…..

  19. Scott:
    Here in Metro Detroit, we are just across the river from Canada. Even so, I haven’t set foot in Canada for a long time. And… I suspect that you are correct.

  20. @Mark N.

    Thanx for the source and quote.

    The law seems to sum itself quite nicely: the lives of subjects of the realm are expendable in service to protection of the government from self-same subjects.

    • Sam, see my second reply to Mark N. That’s just not how it works up here. Will I get charged if I shoot a similar to myself (human, mostly) attacker? Yeah, probably, just like an ‘american’ would. Would I still get charged if video evidence showed them to have just killed another with his/her (gotta be inclusive nowadays) bare hands with me witnessing it, or would that have no bearing on it, because Canada? Not sure what antiquated tome Mark N dug out that out of but the/his 2012 ‘update’ expressly declares: “unless”. Like I said, Granny ain’t going to the tollbooth because she shot an attacker, unless maybe it was Grandpa…

        • Oh key doe key? You think Granny is limited by Canadian law to only using kung fu as a response, but only after first establishing the violent offender in her boudoir is also a ranking master? Allrighty then… , “c’mon man” also comes to mind.

    • I’m not sure why you’re being derisive to me Sam, when have I ever not spoken straight to you? Further, if you (or, respectfully, Mark N) would give his “summary” from Saskatchewan a thorough reading you would see it bears out exactly what I say. Are you going to do that or just play at being a typical, conceited, American know it all smart ass, of which I thought of you as being above?

      • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck. Seems that Sam sees right through you. Don’t you just hate it when that happens?

      • “I’m not sure why you’re being derisive to me Sam,…”

        Not the case; just pulling your nose.

        While otherwise a wonderful person, I am an arrogant, ill-mannered, conceited, blustering American. Empires don’t last forever, “democracies” even less. Abusing one’s position for fun and profit has an exceedingly small window of opportunity.

        On the whole, I enjoy watching you skewer the usual suspects.

        • Ha!, ok. The way I took it (derisive) certainly didn’t sound like you. Do read that summary again though; fraught with “ifs” and “unless”. Granny and her gat are good to go up here if, like down your way, her actions are not deemed ‘excessive’. Disparity of force and reasonable fear for one’s safety are a thing everywhere. Except maybe now in Ol Blighty… cheers Sam.

  21. @Walter E Beverly III
    “Sam, I think it is Riderless/Shooter who misunderstands.”

    R/S was puzzled that I seemed to be rude in a coupla responses. Instead, I was clumsy at tweaking his nose, just to be inscrutable. I was not disagreeing with him (although we are not always 100% congruent in opinion).

    • Sam, I think we see things pretty much the same. I only recall us differing in opinion maybe once and I can’t even remember what it was (wooded mountains/open field of fire?😉). You’ve got a pretty good handle on things and that’s hard to contradict without bias or prejudice. Wally here however, sweet as he is, had a chance to come clean on what was prob a typo but nope: immediately jumped to the attack, calling me the liar and then refused to look up the definition of “edificate” after using it over and over as his way of edumacating us all to his apparent level. Sigh…

      • “Wally here however, sweet as he is,…”

        We all aggravate someone on this, or any other, blog/forum/affinity group. Wally and others are just those who refuse to admit that disagreeing with me means they are evil, wicked, mean, bad, and nasty. And dumb.

        Very little education/enlightenment happens here. TTAG is a safety valve where people can blow off steam, rather than go on an actual rampage to settle scores.

      • Eiderless/ShootOff Canuck Pat your buddies on the back much? LOL. Down here in the States we call that brown nosing.

        • And up here we call it respect. Note how my conversations with Sam differ in tone than with you. Might wanna ask yerself why that might be… sarge.

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck, Sure do. Have seems lots of brown nosing. You are just keeping up the old “tradition.”
          I doubt you even have a clue what respect is. And again, (sigh) that’s SERGEANT to you.

    • And apologies for sounding a little testy. Listening to my southern brethren beating their chests and calling us Cancucks (Wallys spelling) cowards and such while largely coasting on 200+ year old laurels and not setting the ships bow back on course one bit better than us always seems to rustle my jimmies somewhat 🤠.

      • “…listening to my southern brethren beating their chests and calling us Cancucks (Wallys spelling) cowards and such while largely coasting on 200+ year old laurels…”

        Remember: opinions and noses.

        • Like you two, everyone has one. Just not all of your and Canucks opinions count for much.

        • their country…their rules…and the same applies to us, minus a 2nd amendment they’re free to do as they like….

      • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck I never called you a “coward”. Are you feeling self conscious? Yep, you Canucks have been coasting on the backs of us Americans.

        • Wally, wasn’t referring to you. Stick to fabricating fantasies about your time served, we expect that of you and it’s a much better fit for you than trying to interject yerself into conversations you simply cannot follow. Cheers… sarge.

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck Seems you are a worse liar than you accuse me of. No fantasy here. Except the one where you drop off the face of the earth? And that is Sergeant to you, Canuck

    • …suspect urban vs rural was very much in play with that…just as it is here…but Canada’s smaller population makes it even more impactful…but handguns were never all that common up there….

  22. @Rider/Shooter
    “…and reasonable fear for one’s safety”

    It’s that “reasonable” concept that keeps me hyper cautious. “Reasonable” is in the eyes of the jury, not the defender. In the US, we seem to have a notion of being judged by a jury of our “peers”. If that is written down in some legal document, it is not what we have.

    “Peers”, for quite some time, has been operated as “people who do not know the defendant”. Thinking in the old days “peers” meant a jury of people with the same background, education and profession (to try to blunt the power of the state).

    • Sam, yes, and even worse up here: ‘reasonable’ in the eyes of the ‘crown’. The only thing that saves us is that our courts are not so nearly partisan as yours (often) are. And peers: yes, how things/definitions change over time (but at least some effort is still made to weed out bias). Cue wally to call me a brown noser for agreeing or a subject for not being big and brave and born in da USA like him, mighty warrior that he is.

      • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck Yep, you are a brown noser. No bout a doubt it! But then again, Sam is brown nosing you too. Birds of a feather?

  23. @Rider/Shooter
    Rider/Shooter October 29, 2022 At 20:57
    “…just gotta vent a bit.”

    No need to vent about something you don’t see, eh?

    • Good point, eh? But alas, my eyes often travel where they need not. Or something. And it often motivates me to add another margatini to my olive.

      • “And it often motivates me to add another margatini to my olive.”

        If olives were banned nationally, there would be no need to drown them in margatinis.

      • “So has yer gee-tar made its way out of the closet yet?”

        Yep. Moved it to my old command post in the basement. Then the command post was destroyed by an armed reconnaissance launched by someone, from somewhere. The guitar was in its case, which is now buried under two feet of rubble.

        But I keep watching guitar instructors on U-Tube.

        • So do you figure Muslim extremists, da joos, a gov conspiracy or just the hutterites expanding their influence? (We once gave a hutterite kid a gee-tar which they promptly stripped him of, being the work of the devil or some such horrific thing)

    • Sam, it occurs to me I might have misread your reply to my ‘venting’. If you mean to say that it is I who “doesn’t see” how the efforts put into attempting to maintain your Second Amendment are constant, laborious and often rewarding (yet somehow never put the puck fully into the net, eh?, buncha hosers), I certainly do. My condemnation of the chest beaters is that they are likely the ones to do fnothing or very little yet be the first to cast dispersion on those outside their tribe, membership of which they enjoy merely by happenstance of birth, not noble deed. Note the immediate scorn heaped on us poor “subjects” (in multiple encampments) when these tyrannical acts are levied on us in the dark of the night and before we even have a chance to respond for all (legal) intents and purposes. Hope you don’t think I’m blind to the efforts of The Worthy, more I’m just sick of the bleating of The Masses, noisome sheep that they (especially the loudest) are in their own tiresome way. They’ll be the first to cower under the bed when that first kick on the door is heard. And hey, at least it was a Cancuck (wally’s spelling) that tried to beat up the nancie’s octogenarian ice cream bringer with his own hammer… that has to count for something, no? 😀

        • 👍 figured. I often overthink my way into things I can’t seem to think my way out of. Odd, that…

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck Seems you do a LOT of “overthinking”. Have you ever heard of “Keep it simple, Stupid”? Seems to apply.

  24. @Rider/Shooter
    “So do you figure … extremists, … a government conspircy…. ”

    Probably just squirrels looking for nesting material.

    • “Two feet of rubble” … wow, and I thought our BC squirrels were industrious little buggers (but nothing as compared to our native Ottawa rodentia…). Maybe a cat? I suddenly seem to have an entire feline family out of nowhere, I could send you one or two, or three, or…

      • “I suddenly seem to have an entire feline family out of nowhere, I could send you one or two, or three, or…”

        We had five feral cats that lived more than twenty years. Think I have established my credentials with PETA.

  25. @Rider/Shooter
    “I often overthink my way into things I can’t seem to think my way out of.”

    Understand. Often seem to find myself stuck in Lodi, again.

    • Ha! So true story: my buddy and I were riding through Lodi years ago and he had a nice old Shovelhead which of course needed constant attention (just part of the charm/ride) and sure enough we find ourselves parked in a NAPA parking lot wrenching on his ride. Again. Still. I dug us out a couple cold ones out of my saddlebag, bumped him in the shoulder with one and said “hey, we’re stuck in Lodi, man!”. Funny stuff.

      • “Still. I dug us out a couple cold ones out of my saddlebag, bumped him in the shoulder with one and said “hey, we’re stuck in Lodi, man!”.”

        Ah yes. Great stories of an open road adventure.

        • Six straight years of over a month at a time of riding through the Pacific US and the Southwest (to say nothing of hundreds of thousands of kms in BC and Alta) has left us many great memories indeed. Our countries and people should be one, under your system.

    • These cats are feral as well, sorta, I guess, but they seem to have settled right in, even displacing my two fox buddies (one sleeps under me in my chair on the deck). I’ve named the Mr n Mrs Odin and Freya and their three rapscallion parasites Thor, Loki and Baldr. Because I can.

        • Good lord. That’s above and beyond the call of duty. I can’t imagine the cost in kibbles n bits. To be clear, I meant one of the foxes, an awesome, pure black male with silver tipped tail, would sleep under my chair while I sat stirring my margatinis. Haven’t seen him since the cats took over.

  26. @Rider/Shooter
    “Our countries and people should be one, under your system.”

    It’s not like we didn’t try a few times.

    • I know. I’d have been happy to play our Benedict Arnold (if I have his role right) to your previous efforts. It really is a shame. Such a nation would dominate the globe, and I can only hope it would’ve been for the best. But reality and politics often has a funny way of making sows ears out of silk purses.

      • “I know. I’d have been happy to play our Benedict Arnold (if I have his role right) to your previous efforts.”

        Arnold was a complicated figure, and, like most, very flawed. He got mad at Washington over some affront, and decided to get even. Prior to that, Arnold was one of Washington’s most trusted generals…and very successful for the Continentals.

        • Yes, I really don’t know much of him or even what his particular act of treason was, or at least fail to recall.

  27. @Rider/Shooter
    “Good lord. That’s above and beyond the call of duty. I can’t imagine the cost in kibbles n bits.”

    The Colonel was absolutely fascinated by/with cats. She worked with a coupla good foster organizations, and got them all placed (except the fast and furious five).

    For awhile, we had a great herd of wild birds regularly visiting our back yard. The seed attracted foxes and raccoons. Fortunately, no coyotes. Toward the end, the Colonel lost interest in the birds, after the cats were gone. Now, nuisance critters: squirrels and rabbits.

    • Our wild neighbors, and even semi/domestic cats are a fascinating bunch indeed. I can’t hunt any more because of it even though I know that’s foolish sentimentality. Too far north for raccoons but coyotes we have aplenty. Wolves as well, to some degree and even lynx, otter and wolverine. I have near monthly interactions with moose, bear, etc, including spending a little shop time (literally) with a grizzly a couple years ago. Deer are everywhere and I’m sure I will meet my end connecting with one on some long, dark, endless highway.

    • And bye the bye, I’ve penned a half doz extra verses to Stuck In Lodi Again, mostly cause it’s easy to do. They speak to life, aging, loss, watching the world go by and then shuffling off our mortal coils. Kinda proud of them but then I’ve got way too much time on my hands lately. And I impress myself easily…

  28. @Rider/Shooter
    “But we’re a part of it, like all else.”

    Not according to our betters, down here. People are a vicious, deadly parasite, needing eradication.

    • Then there’s the other faction: God’s Favored, but don’t get me started 😉. I’m happily stuck in the middle, with fools to the left of me, clowns to the right, so to speak…

      • “I’m happily stuck in the middle, with fools to the left of me, clowns to the right,…”

        Then you can imagine my frustration…being the smartest person anywhere I go.

        • Riderless/ShootOff Canuck & Sam I Am.
          Why don’t the two of you just get married? What the hell do feral cats to do with firearms? (Shaking my head)

  29. @Rider/Shooter
    “Yes, I really don’t know much of him or even what his particular act of treason was, or at least fail to recall.”

    Two elements:
    – Surreptitiously offering his service to the Brits
    – Providing intelligence about the fortifications at West Point, NY (where he was commanding).

      • he was an opportunist that craved recognition…denied that he made a move that he felt was in his own interest..a lot of people that were once highly regarded chose to side with the British…Rogers of Roger’s Rangers comes to mind….

  30. “And do you think this was primarily to hurt Washington personally or was Arnold maybe a Loyalist at heart?”

    Books have been written on Arnold, trying to explain the man. Whether a specific set of values/events can ever be settled on, Arnold was not the sort of person you would want to have a pint with.

    • Ha! There’s a lot of that going around lately as well. Nothing new under the sun, I guess. Now a good margatini, sans olives of course, in the right company…

      • “Ha! There’s a lot of that going around lately as well.”

        The irony of the whole affair is Arnold, in return for his betrayal, demanded a generalship in the British Army, which was granted. After the war, Arnold relocated to England, where, because of his treason, he was pretty much shunned; died a broken, bitter man.

        • Karma is, deservedly, a b!tch. Such is the fate, hopefully, of assh0les. I only hope the Teflon melts off of our nation’s idiot manchild before his days of living like a king on other people’s money comes to an end. Yours as well, or at least his handlers.

  31. @Rider/Shooter
    “Sam, I feel yer pain, truly bro. Why can’t they just see it and listen politely?”

    Surely, I don’t know, but it keeps me up at night. ‘Tis lonely at the top.

    • It’s just as well we have reached the pinnacle as I at least most certainly don’t do uphill with the same alacrity, patience or determination as I once did. By a long shot.

  32. @Rider/Shooter
    “I only hope the Teflon melts off of our nation’s idiot manchild …”

    Did you get the link to the article about police responding to Trudeau’s handgun ban?

    • Oh yeah, lots of harrumphing by our knights in shining polyester up here, some of it even well meant, but they are so complicit in our anti gun legislation, past and present, that they’re well beyond redemption and at the end of the day, being the literal mercenary force for hire that they truly and corporately are, they will still be the ones guilty of enabling tyranny and, ultimately, kicking in our doors (many eagerly) with threat of lethal force to remove from us that which they have arrogantly and arbitrarily taken upon their self esteemed selves to grant us ownership of. When I see action on their part, not words, to reverse the tide then I will applaud them rather than utterly despise them. But don’t get me going 😉…

      • “Oh yeah, lots of harrumphing by our knights in shining polyester…”

        They put the truth out there, which is a victory in itself. The public cannot hide behind professed ignorance. “Ignorance is lacking information. Stupidity is have information, then refusing to act on it.”

        • Agreed. Like so many well meant words though, they are still just words. Similar to such august documents as your Constitutiion: it means nothing if no one stands against those who would dismantle it.

    • I speak mostly of the rcmp, far from the storied entity they once were, or rather appeared to be, not the provincial police forces, who are much less a Crown Corporation than our self appointed armed nannies. But I’m as ready as I can be. To beat my own chest, kicking in this door will cost them. I promise them and you that. Hopefully sanity and our court cases prevail. Too old n fat to fight for long. Sad face.

      • Not expecting door kickers; too messy, and Waco didn’t get the pro-govt sentiment expected. Rather, thinking that govt will ultimately be able to arrange conditions where any actual use of a firearm will be so dangerous, that firearms will be voluntarily restricted to the home, where self-defense will become a crime itself.

        Be careful out there. Hopefully back, again, tomorrow.

    • I find myself living under their oversight but I will be damned if I will live under their thumb. “Only the police might ever wish to live in a police state”: yours truly, circa not long ago.

  33. @Rider/Shooter
    “Good, I’ve been on a 24hr Microbrew and Single Malt binge and not sure how much longer I can remain conscious,…”

    Husband the brain cells; get some sleep.


Please enter your comment!
Please enter your name here