UPDATE: Upon further review, the executive order in question very specifically targets a list of eleven individuals at whom the executive order was aimed. At first reading, it doesn’t appear that this EO would affect firearm or ammunition exports to the United States. However, this will bear watching as the situation continues and if administration chooses to employ additional measures to increase pressure on the Soviet Russian government. Watch this space.
The President has issued an executive order to punish Russia for its Machiavellian machinations in Crimea. Click here to read. Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person (including any foreign branch) of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in . . . (B) to operate in the arms or related materiel sector in the Russian Federation.” Our legal eagle Chris Dumm reckons this Executive Order locks-up the assets and freezes the operations of Russian arms dealers, which could well stop the importation of Russian guns, firearms components and ammunition into the United States. Stand by for more information.
There’s another safe company, whose name I’m sorry escapes me, who builds a modular safe that you piece together. It’s basically the six panels of the box, which you assemble and connect from the inside. I don’t think you can bolt it to anything, but it’s supposed to be pretty heavy, once assembled. So it could be difficult to move without three or more thieves or eqiupment.
It’s marketed toward people in apartments or temporary housing, who can disassemble it and take it with them when they move. As I recall, it was a little expensive, though. Might take some time to find with google.
This is how a surrender should go assuming you somehow determine that the spree killer is interested in surrendering:
(1) Tell them to immediately drop their weapon.
(2) Tell them to immediately lay down spread-eagle facing away from you.
(3) Sit down on the ground with cover behind you and hold your handgun on the floor aiming in the safest direction possible … and cover your handgun if at all possible.
That last point is extremely important. First of all, your handgun is in hand and you can bring it to bear pretty much immediately if the spree killer reneges on their surrender or if an accomplice shows up to help the spree killer. Of equal importance, when the police arrive at your location, they won’t see you standing over someone with a gun in your hand pointing it at them — which could very well result in them shooting you first and asking questions later. Rather, when the police arrive, they see someone sitting on the floor with no obvious weapon … which conveys intuitively and instinctively that you are NOT a hostile. Meanwhile, the spree killer is on the floor facing away from you and has no idea that you are no longer pointing a firearm at them. And the police will see his/her weapon on the floor next to them.
This is about the best possible way to handle an incredibly horrible and dangerous situation.
Wait wait wait….
The question is whether or not to shoot somebody who no longer poses an immediate threat of bodily harm to yourself or someone else?
What the f*ck? Whatever you are smoking, keep it. It’s clearly bad sh*t.
Didn’t someone once say “don’t let a good catastrophe go to waste”?
I wonder how this will get “modified” by politicians once the Crimea situation is over to fit another purpose.
It was “crisis”. And it was Rahm Emanuel, former Obama advisor, and current Chicago mayor.
If the perp appears to my reasonable eye to have surrendered and dropped his weapon, then the threat is over, he’s my prisoner, and shooting him would be murder.
I don’t really understand the disagreement on this point. Your weapon is for defense, not so you can sit in judgement of the world around you. I would hope everyone carrying could understand that.
I disagree the Ukraine situation isn’t some form of “smoke screen”. The people there are legitimately angry and sick of their government. Russia invading Crimea was a huge power play by Putin. Yes, Russia’s access to their main ports was in danger, however, they never should have invaded. The fact the Barry issued this executive order tells me that US intervention in the region has gone from about a 25% possibility, to about a 35% possibility, should economic sanctions an other non violent solutions not pan out.
That said has anyone on here been conscious of the situation in Venezuela?
You don’t hear much about Venezuela sadly. Citizenry sick and tired of being mired in the fetid, stagnant swamp of socialism, the legacy left by that fat-headed shitsucker Hugo Chavez and his bus-driving, union thug successor have pushed the people to the boiling point then suddenly no more coverage after that. The Liberal media outlets can’t cover a revolution against socialism since they are lying to Americans trying to tell them how great and awesome Obonzo’s socialist agenda is when 10 years of Chavez socialism was too much for Venezuelans to put up with.
Do mosins come from Russia or do they come from arsenals located elsewhere?
No more wolf or tula ammo well here’s the new ammo shortage
This just pooped in my cornflakes, as my AK fund is nearly complete and Ive been shopping around and buying a little bit of ammo. Seriously, sic semper tyrannis.
Luckily all of the pistol ammo I buy is remanufactured but this kills me on chear AR ammo too.
My advice to any Connecticut gun owner who gets arrested for their BS laws. Do not allow yourself to be booked into jail. They will throw you into a holding cell until you comply. Stand firm. If they deny access to legal counsel because you didnt comply with their administrative actions, you have grounds for a major lawsuit against the jail and individual officers. The right to have access to attorneys is a pretty inviolate right, upheld by the Constitution and case law. If you are denied bail, that can be turned into a Eighth Amendment case.
“Every serious gun owner should already have a primary gun safe in the home.”
Don’t ‘should’ on me and I won’t ‘should’ on you. How did our forefathers survive without a gun safe back in the day?
I like it.
Bravo CA!
Remember when there were a bunch of people saying this wouldn’t happen and that anyone worried about it was just being unnecessarily paranoid?
Well, I told you so.
The fact is, active shooters are terrorists, as terrorist is defined by one who controls through commuting acts of terror. That said, the shooter decided to kill innocent people, and that’s why he won’t get the chance to surrender. If your ever in one if these situations though, remember that your first objective should be to get those who are with you to safety. Then go on a kill/ capture mission
IF an active shooter surrenders, tell them to lay spread eagle on the ground, stand back 6′-10′ with your firearm pointed down but ready until LEO’s arrive, that way it won’t appear you are an active threat. When the LEO’s tell you to drop your weapon do so. As for trying to restrain someone yourself, I.e. zipties…not a plan at all, it takes two hands to secure a ziptie and takes you into too close a proximity to be overpowered. Like was said in otuer posts if they’re still shooting, shoot to end the threat and remember, read men don’t testify or sue !!!!
If you can’t answer this question inside your own head, you have no business carrying a firearm.
The question is whether you would execute a person who has surrendered his firearm and is offering no resistance. Or put another way, would you commit cold blooded murder?
“Execute” is such a nasty word, Ralph. Try to think of it as ‘pre-emptive self-defense, after the fact”.
Nicely written!
2 BIRDS with 1 stone. I believe any other president would do the same. Just to “look” tough. There really isn’t a lot Odumbo will do. Europe is way too dependent on Russian gas & oil. POS
No one is bothered that this was done by executive action and not by Congress???
How friggin’ convenient.
Only affects these Russkies. Barry is trying to hurt Vlads friends and backers…
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/pages/20140317.aspx
Wonderful… More false positives I’m going to have to deal with at work…
More guvment lies and smoke tricks. Figures.
See this? :l This is my surprised face.
This thing is almost an exact replica of the Davis .380. There is a bumpstop on the bottom of the slide, which cobra modified, aside from that, it seems that all the parts are interchangeable, as I have a davis with a cracked slide. My Davis is difficult to cock, but the Cobra version is “really” stiff, and I don’t think my wife could charge the weapon. My Cobra, out of the box, won’t feed ammo worth a darn, but when I put my old Davis magazine into it, it feeds just fine… All the other parts seem to interchange as well, so I’m piece-mealing the parts, to find the ones that make everything work correctly….
Warrants?
Anybody remember what happened in Boston eleven months ago??
Sgt. Hayes says “If you can physically retrain the shooter without your gun, do so.” What he doesn’t say: shoot the bad guy and reholster. But really, isn’t that the safest course of action? Would you, could you do it?
To answer the question, the answer is ‘no, it is not the safest, but instead exposed you to serious jail time.’ As for ‘would you?’ No. I wouldn’t. As to ‘could you?’ If I wouldn’t, what how could I ever reflect on ‘could I?’ Could I do what, something I would not do? I suppose I could if I would, but I wouldn’t. Does that mean I couldn’t? I suppose so. Next case.
I reckon you guys will move to the free states leaving the statists to rot in a welter of crime and liberals discover what we’ve learned in the UK, socialism works until you’ve run out of other peoples money then you have to be persuaded to comply!
Most likely not. But, it depends.
How about this hypothetical: After dropping your five year-old son or daughter off at school you’re walking toward the exits when you hear gunfire coming from behind. You turn, rush back to the classroom your child is in and find some wild-eyed nutjob standing amongst the eviscerated bodies of the entire class, including your loved one. You draw and aim at him. As you’re about to shoot he sees you out of the corner of his eye, drops his guns, and surrenders.
Would you let him live?
That’s much harder to answer, isn’t it?
Yeah but what does it look like on the inside?
This is what we call “Gun Porn”
Has anyone had Deviant Ollam review this yet?
meh… Give it to some third world leader…
LOLOLOLOLOLOLz!!!!!!
JAMES YEAGER!!!!
Welp.
I got a Saiga on the UPS truck with tracking number heading to my dealer as we speak and a metric (cuz it’s European ammo) butt-load of x39, 54R already here at the ranch.
I win haters!
Actually this might effect Russian ammo makers, and gun exporters, but maybe not Ukraine ammo makers. Afterall a lot of stuff comes from Ukraine too. I’m not really worrying about the ammo other than price getting jacked. But I did want a Saiga to convert, so I figured I best gets me one, or a couple
Hey if they do ban Saiga forever, can you imagine how much a fresh in the box, Saiga 7.62 with 16 inch barrel will be going for in 10 years? Hmm.
If you didn’t see this coming, I don’t know what to tell you.
I still win!
Haters.
Let the cops restrain him. They get paid to do that. I would just remain hidden until the all clear signal and be thankful to still be alive…..
The problem, here, seems not so much with dealing with an active shooter, since we know we are taking a chance once we announce our intention to confront him, but rather with those meathead LEOs who shoot first and ask questions later. Bear in mind, not all LEOs are meatheads, trigger-happy or part of the problem, but it’s the OTHER half of them that are psychologically unfit for service and only different from the people they put behind bars because they happen to have a badge and a gun.
Like a doctor or a mechanic, what good are their credentials if, when it comes time for someone to require their professionalism, they fall victim to acting out all their unresolved childhood issues against the first person they manage to sight in?
I’m more than confident about managing myself under stress, but the wild card here is a trigger-happy douchebag in a uniform showing up and conveniently failing to yell, “Police, drop your weapon,” while his weapon is pointed at me.
.32 Colt revolver…cue the caliber wars in 3,2,1…
While we are asking police officers to recount how many times they have drawn a gun, perhaps we should go on to ask how many support concealed carry… The overwhelming majority of Leos do.
I plan on purchase of this sccy, can’t wait to shoot it. Presently I shoot browning 40, a Ruger sr22 and sr45, all good guns my sig 1911-22 has been in sig’s repair shop for 35 days now and that gun is a piece of s. hopefully Sccy will be great, need a ccw. All shoot well and safe.
Consider this, LEO’s are people like yourselves. They share the same fears, the same aspirations, and the same zeal towards the issues that we are all faced with today. I know this because I am one. This matter has been discussed amongst officers all across the states. The general consensus is that we’d rather be unemployed than violate any of the Constitutional rights that were given to us by our forefathers many years ago. We are not the people that the majority of you are making us out to be. Have some faith in your fellow man as well as faith in God to lead us out of this. Don’t give up hope.
What do you know? From the comments under his column, he probably can’t get a concealed carry license anyway:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-10-02/news/0510020260_1_chicago-sun-times-domestic-battery-jail
I love how he take the example of police officers. It forms no logic at all. Only a delusional crack-head would go at it with a uniformed police officer willingly. Criminals do their best to AVOID police and run from them once detected. On the other hand…criminals do their best to FOCUS on every day residents….seriously, where is this guy’s logic?
“It doesn’t happen that much, even to most cops.”
I would think, given that most cops are armed, uniformed, as well as protected by a slew of additional potential charges should you decide to attack one, that the rates police are accosted on the streets would be far lower than they are for the general population….or am I missing something that only this writer is privy to?
I really don’t know where to start. I was expecting Neil to hold his breath until they repeal the law or something. The fact that, he can’t even be bothered to search, just a little for such answers tells me, as you concluded. He is having a hissy fit. He can’t comprehend what freedom and liberty, self reliance looks like. So he is going to kick and scream and hold his breath until something is done.
This is really about as far as he gets.
Go to his blog, read the first comment on there. Try not to vomit.
All right, Neil, there was no DGU. The flash of light you saw was not gunfire. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
I read 7.62×39 is flying off the shelf right now not that i care but these hoarders don’t know is there are many other countries that can fill the demand for cheap dirty ammo.In fact a back up plan has been in place for some time.
Obviously, the ATF is totally wrong and the company they raided is totally right. I need no facts to reach this determination, because I just know the ATF must always be wrong.
Eye roll.
Hey Paul, the government of this country – including the ATF – is out of control. Maybe you should wake up and then go work off that double chin before you make another YouTube video that nobody cares about.
One would think the ATF would better things to do than this…. like going after actual criminals.
….. on second thought, no, they probably don’t. That would require real work.
My understanding was the “fill” was created and then dipped into the mold for the Lower, thus the lower was never a lower. I had that link at some point but haven’t been able to locate it as of yet (still looking). Still seems like a huge over step on the Feds part, if what they are saying is true, and originally Ares said, come on in, but you aren’t taking our customer list, and the ATF refused and wanted the list… that’s a cart before the horse thing to me. Go in, prove they are illegal first, THEN make a case for the customer list. Interesting thing is with EP Lowers statement that they are legal per the ATF, is it the customer’s fault for purchasing? Couldn’t a said customer add a serial number to theirs and still be legal? With as crazy as our gun laws are, adding the wrong stock, foregrip, etc making a gun a felony, it’s hard to say.
“All we have to do is sit back and watch the future unfold, which is all we’re going to do.”
Um, MacFly? MacFly?!?! The future has been unfolding since 1987 when Florida started issuing concealed carry licenses, a practice which has since spread to every other state. Yet, we still don’t see the infamous blood in the streets scenario of the antis’ insatiably macabre imaginations.
People like Mr. Steinberg must take a special pleasure in reassuring themselves that the ultimate proof of just how wise and farseeing they are, is that none of their predictions have ever come true.
I was taught to assault through the objective. Double tap the bodies on the ground to make sure they really are bodies. Infantry, hooah!
“The appeal of the 80% lower receiver is that it is legally just a chunk of metal and not a firearm”
or a chunk of polymer in this case.
DC cops are widely known to be corrupt and ignorant of their own laws. Or maybe ignorant is not the correct term, maybe the correct term is defiant and disobedient of their own laws.
There were articles about how 90 DC cops were arrested in a 3 year span – doesn’t seem to slow them down, though.
The lowers are not idiot proof. I am living proof of that. First I used a end mill bit that was apparently to course as it chewed into the plastic and cracked one side….one upper down. Then I was almost done milling the fire control cavity out and it started jumping Sooo blew through the bottom of number two. Finally got a jig and paid absolutely no attention to the white crap in the middle and it worked out fine. So this idiot is telling you, it’s not ME proof. All that and I’m still on the list. Should have just bought a completed one.
I’d never shoot somebody who surrendered his firearm. Of course, I’m sure I saw him make a suspicious movement and reach for the gun.
worthy of signing up for some OT.
If a guy just got done shooting up a mall or something I don’t think it’d be a stretch for the jury to understand that when he twitched and I emptied an entire magazine into him that I did so not only because he posed a threat to myself, but also to those around me.
Besides, the family won’t have a dime left for legal fees to come after me by the time the real victims’ families are done with the estate.
“The appeal of the 80% lower receiver is that it is legally just a chunk of metal and not a firearm, so it skirts nearly all of the gun laws in the United States right up until the point where someone drills out all the required parts and assembles their own gun.”
“Skirts” isn’t very pejoratively used here, is it? an 80% complete metal lower doesn’t skirt anything, it conforms to the law.
The only hypothetical given is that the shooter has surrendered, not how that came to be. Surrendered means they have given up, and are no longer a threat. The question isn’t “Would you shoot someone that has pretended to surrender?”…if someone makes a furtive/reasonably threatening move, then I’d do anything in my power to stop that threat, that is exactly why I carry. (To protect myself and family) So again, no I wouldn’t shoot someone that poses no threat to me. Just the same as if I returned home and found an intruder in my house, and upon drawing on them, regardless if they are displaying a weapon, they immediately surrender, I’m not shooting. (it’s happened to me, fortunately they were downstairs, and fled when I entered the house…all I heard was a door close). More recently I surprised a man in my back yard (we actually surprised each other). He had stoled booze from a local store, and had run from police/loss prevention. I’d heard snow crunch, and assumed it was a deer in the yard, I peeked around the corner and he was 8 steps from me. I just yelled at him “stop!”, and he turned and fled. Had he approached me, I may have shot him. (I’d started to draw when he ran), had he actually stopped, I’d have waited for the police, and followed their instructions.
When I was much younger and we lived in Detroit, in an area mostly of cops and firefighters, an off duty cop caught a burglar in front of our house. He was in plain clothes, and held him at gunpoint until the Calvary arrived. His badge wasn’t out, he immediately ID’d himself as a good guy, and wasn’t shot.
With all the concern raised by this site’s admins about proper conduct, due to the fact that things said here may be used to portray gun folks in a negative manner, I’m actually shocked that this subject was even posted….really, just shocked.
Everybody on TTAG needs to send the DGU part of American Rifleman magazine as wellas the dgu video of the Off duty Chicago officer at the gas station shooting the bg and the Michigan mom unloading on the 3 perps kicking in door.Just berage this ahole with examples.Make him eat it.Find out who the competitor to the Sun Times is and give them theInfo and let them embarras the jerk.Publicly in his own land!
Thank you for writing John.
I disagree with most of your conclusions.
“D2D confiscation won’t be law enforcement’s primary modus operandi. For one thing, it does nothing for the operational security of that mission to publicize such a predictable maneuver.”
I disagree. Law enforcement conducts how many tens of thousands of such raids every year? They are both public knowledge and tactically dangerous. And yet they continue.
“A few DEA agents could throw off the suspect’s suspicions about the weapons violation rendering him relatively docile.”
I have absolutely no involvement with any narcotics whatsoever. I would not be “docile” if DEA agents knocked at my door. I actually would expect that to be a ruse.
I do agree that law enforcement could implement your “hybrid approach” since they already use that approach quite often.
IIRC Florida is making it so warning shots are ok.
The craftsmanship is unreal. The wood used, the detail in the metal.
I don’t think I would ever want to own one though. I would be afraid I would scratch it!
and in other news, Shannon admits they have someone full time on “troll patrol”. Pathetic
http://www.stirjournal.com/2014/03/17/shannon-watts-founder-of-moms-demand-action-for-gun-sense-in-america/
BTW – I wonder what this is about? 🙂 Comment Moderated.
“TF: People threatened to come to your house and “take you out.” Have you ever called the authorities because of something like that?
SW: Of course. But the police, around here anyway, have an interesting attitude about what I’m doing. Early on when I asked for help, their response was basically, “Well, this is what happens when you mess with the Second Amendment.”
No Exhaltation of The XDm tonight? Disappointing.
Dirk: Wow, that “interview” couldn’t have been more soft-ball if SW wrote the damn thing as a press release.
Sounds like I’d rather move to South Africa than Australia.
Three years after this was written and it’s still a very relevant and well executed article. I’m sold on Mossberg.
Given the situation and the allocation of money from the national government towards the nation security, we are doing well.
Kenya is a developing nation and can not afford the likes of weapons pple are talking about, the priorities are different from developed nations.
Kenya for quite sometime dint have any known enemies until Osama was born. so to them weapons were not a priority.
Steinberg is a pompous idiot. That being said, a correction to the list of cities you mention in the second to last paragraph, and where you claim licensed concealed carry is legal: Phoenix is not one of them. Arizona does not require a license for concealed carry. Yay Arizona!
Obonzo is mad at Russia so he punishes us? The ammunition concern is moot, anyone can make it, that sensationalism needs to stop. A desire for well-made Russian weapons from Molot or Izmash is the concern, for me anyway. The supply will become static and the prices will shoot through the roof as this is how it goes with firearms. Saigas will go from moderate to ridiculous as pre-bans did during the AWB. It also happened when Bush Sr. fucked us out of importing HK rifles. Better get a Saiga while I can, oops, spent all my free money on an HK clone. Fuck… at least we have Century Arms AKs *shudder*
I have got to say, RF, as a long time reader, articles like this really piss me off. You knew, or should have known, that these sanctions have not a fucking thing to do with any ammo imports. A cursory reading of the news would make that clear. I know page hits make you dolla dolla bills, but this is ridiculous, unhelpful, and actually damaging to us all, as it jacks up ammo prices when the idiots rush to panic buy.
I have liked this site for years, but shame on you for this, RF. Shame.
This azzhat is typical of the gun hating crowd. If you disagree with them, they’ll shout and curse at you and insult you until you shut up, because emotionally charged invective is far more important to them than facts.
HA HA!
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/daniel-zimmerman/oops-red-jacket-firearms-loses-their-ffl/
Read what Shotgun says April 12 2014 on site above. Its is the truth about Putin next Move.. CHECK MATE !!!!!!!!!!!! They keep posting his add on back pages cause they dont want you to know the truth