BREAKING: Alton Sterling Shooting By Louisiana Cops Sparks “Outrage”

Or we can just force our protectorates to pay our bills.

I wouldn’t worry about the national debt so much because what the US government and the Federal Reserve are doing is more of a slight of hand than anything else.

Approximately 60% of all outstanding US government debt is held by US governmental entities. So that $17 trillion debt in reality is about $7 trillion actual, but here’s where the magic begins.

When the US government needs cash they go to the Federal Reserve and sell bonds at market. Fed credits the government’s account and takes possession of the securities, all done on paper, just little bits of electrons on a computer.

When the bond, or the coupon, comes due the Fed collects the payment, retains a minor portion for overhead expenses, and by charter any excess reserves are given back to the US government. This allows the US government to fund deficit spending without actually firing up the printing presses and devaluing the currency outright.

Granted this can’t go on forever and at some point the house of cards will eventually collapse, but we’re not there yet.

You are right. My phrase “major economic depression” really downplays the seriousness of the situation. It is far worse than that.

The underfunded liabilities are the real killer. Medicare, Social Security, Federal employees pension system, State, and local government pension systems, Medicaid. There is no way everybody gets the money they’ve been promised.

As a guy in my 40’s, I assume that Social Security, Medicare, and my pension system won’t be there for me when I retire. I don’t expect the 401K will do too well either.

On the plus side, the house is paid off, and the fruit trees, grapevines, blueberry bushes, and raspberry vines are all highly productive.

That should be “excess profits” not “excess reserves”.

To Daily Beatings;

Intragovernmental debt doesn’t make up 60% of total US debt from what I’ve seen. Every source says about 5 Trillion. Of that the Fed holds about half, and that half is the only amount that really matters that the US is the holder. We could order to Fed to forgive that debt, but something like the Social Security Trust Fund might as well be a separate entity. By law the government can’t absolve that debt and any lawmaker would be grilled who tried.

Unfunded liabilities are insane. There’s no way to keep track with it. But what’s even more ominous is the Treasury average interest rates. The Fed can’t keep them at 1%ish forever. Right now it costs us about 225 billion per year to service it at these insanely low rates. If we go back to the historic average of around 4%, we’re talking trillions per year to service it. We’ll be borrowing more to pay more interest. We know how that vicious cycle ends.

Fun fact; in the 80’s Treasury interest rates were close to 14% for a time. Imagine what that would do to us now.

Well, executed child rapists don’t have 2nd amendment rights.

“… a ‘man with gun’ call to 911 engenders a violent takedown … Someone merely HAVING a gun is not evidence of a crime …”

This is the key in this case. I am surprised that I had to get this far down in the comments to read it.

I don’t disagree in principle. Here’s the thing though. I suspect that if Dindu did not have himself an illegal gat, that he would still be alive today – tell me I am wrong.

Not trying to excuse the cops in this specific case – there is obviously more to this.

Yes, the rest of the story is the police were called because the deceased PULLED A GUN ON SOMEONE outside the store.

Sure thing tough guy. You’re probably a fat redneck with a beard who thinks he’s operator AF because he bought a cheap AR.

Grow up.

Yeah… There are laws that make 18-17 yo relationships not criminal. In any case, yes, if you have sex with a child, you need killin’.

Do you wear sheepdog patches?

Based on his age and the arrest date, he was at least 31 at the time of his arrest for the sex crime. Based on the LA law, his sentence, and this particular charge, she was no older than 16. This wasnt a 17 and 18 year old romance that got busted. It was a child predator’s crime.

Try again.

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“Sterling’s offense is described as committing “carnal knowledge of a juvenile.” He was convicted on Sept. 20, 2000 in Louisiana and released on October 3, 2004.” Born 1979. Age 20/21 at time of conviction, so probably 19/20 at the time since we all know how speedy the legal system is.

But he is on a government database so he deserves to be executed, amirite?

Waiting until the gun is out and being fired before touch your own is a sure way to end up dead!

George Lucas, is that you?

Also, I thought everyone here was sure that cops ARE civilians.

This one’s for you, cupcake.
https://youtu.be/qICXRdw2i8w

Ah, you are still posting BS videos with heavily selective recuts to justify police murder. We’ve already gone over this months ago and your understanding of the physics of taser wires was shall we say, hilariously non-existent.

You’re not rustling anyone’s jimmies. 🙂

… and which one of us is a PE?

Let’s take an example…

48% of homicides in the US have a black perpetrator, 88% of blacks vote Democrat.

So… Unless you’re going to tell me that criminals are a radically different that a comparable general population politically, it stands to reason that 42% of all homicides are committed by black Democrats.

Let’s take a look at the rest.

Latinos are clumped together with “whites” in the FBI report, and we’ll, generously assume that the latino percentage is he same in the criminal population is the same as in the general population.

So… 17% of the total population is Latino, 63% is “white”… That means that 21% of the FBI “white” homicides were committed by latinos or, 11% of the total. Latinos vote democrat 67% of the time. That means that another 7.4% of the homicides are committed by “white latino” Democrats. (We’re at 49.2% at this point of total.)

So let’s take at the “white” population, responsible for ~39% of the homicides. 44% of “whites” vote Democrat, on average. That means that of that remaining 39%, 17% are committed by “white” Democrats. That gives us a total of 66.2% of total homicides being committed by white, black, or latino Democrats.

So, unless you can point me to a source that would make it reasonable to infer that the criminal population is far more conservative than the general population, ~1/3 of all homicides are committed by people who don’t vote Democrat. (Not conservatives, mind you, just not Democrats.)

So… Yeah, I’ll stand by my math.

Yep, confirm you have no idea how logic and statistics work. The gaping hole here is you assume *both* crimes and political affiliation is spread evenly, in order to do your laughable grade-school percentage calculations. What is correlation? What is a biased sample pool?

Just to finish off your argument: young people are the least likely to be registered to vote, and especially black youths, and a majority of homicides are committed by youths of any race. Therefore your flat association of race, crime and politics is hopelessly skewed.

Nice throwing in the PE reference… if you really are one, you should know most engineering disciplines don’t really deal with statistics all that much. 🙂

Oh that’s rich… Engineering disciplines don’t “deal” with statistics. Ever heard of Six Sigma? ISO? Yeah…

But please, point me to the reference that shows that the criminal population is significantly more politically conservative than the general population. I’ll wait.

Six sigma isn’t even about statistics, it is an overall methodology to eliminate defects and isolate variation. Note how I said “most disciplines”, not “all”. Industrial engineering being one that does deal with it. When you throw “PE” around without specifying an actual field, it doesn’t really mean anything.

So, are you an industrial engineer? Makes sense… the inside joke being, “I’m an Engineer???”? IE? Get it? 🙂

“point me to the reference that shows that the criminal population is significantly more politically conservative than the general population”

No one said that. So now you suck at both statistics and dialectic. Can you actually explain your modeling method (specifically, your assumption that the world is flat), or can everyone just assume you have no idea what you are talking about?

It’s called deductive reasoning FLAME DELETED.

We know the criminal breakdown by ethnicity, we also know the voting trends by ethnicity. Given the absence of evidence to indicate any radical political differences between the two groups, my math is logical. It’s not 100%, but if you have a source to contradict my inference, I’d love to see it.

Actually, my undergrad degrees are in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering. Industrial engineering is a grossly oversold major that doesn’t teach you anything worth learning. Most of the course material is at least a decade behind the curve. Hell, most of the PLCs universities use are supplied by one company using their own proprietary ladder logic format.

“if you have a source to contradict my inference, I’d love to see it”

You make the claim, you justify it. If you have a source to prove the claimed correlation as well as the unbiased nature of your two sample groups, please post it. Otherwise, as one man put it: “That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”.

By the way, “deductive reasoning” depends on a sound chain of logic, one your argument sorely lacks.

As an aside, what airplanes have you designed (if any), so I can avoid them?

So given two similar groups with no observable political differences, it is not reasonable to assume they have similar political splits? Really? Do you even logic bro? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It’s called a logical inference. To defeat it, you have to show that the inference is factually incorrect.

If A1 is a random subset of A, it stands to reason that A1 has a similar proportional makeup to A.

This is what I refer to as an ASSumption, as yours came from a dark and smelly place.

“Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

Translation: I no longer have to prove my statements, it is the burden of others to disprove my unbacked statements. Oh my. 🙂

“If A1 is a random subset of A”

Your A1 is not a random subset of A. I have already posited a counterexample earlier. People have been arguing about the correctness of “random” for decades, yours does not even pass the smell test (see what I did there?)

Keep dreaming kiddo. A logical inference of the concurrence of two similar sets is perfectly valid if no evidence exists to the contrary.

It’s basically like stating that a particular piece of space between the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn is similar to the net average of all space between Jupiter and Saturn.

You’re basically trying to disprove basic logic without a source. Good luck with that.

Your inference is based on a foundation which has no ground. I already pointed out the gaping hole in your “logic”, specifically, unjustified assumptions of uniformity and lack of proof of any sort of correlation between voter registration and crime. Of course, garbage in garbage out. Your posts are a case in point.

Nice attempt at a counterexample, by the way. Obviously you have not heard the joke:

“An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician are on a train in Scotland. The astronomer looks out of the window, sees a black sheep standing in a field, and remarks, “How odd. Scottish sheep are black.” “No, no, no!” says the physicist. “Only some Scottish sheep are black.” The mathematician rolls his eyes at his companions’ muddled thinking and says, “In Scotland, there is at least one field, containing at least one sheep, at least one side of which appears black from here.”

Looks like you are satisfied with the astronomer’s level of logic. Hilarious. 🙂

A better example would be a study showing that in Scotland, 50% of all sheep are black. Then inferring that a random sample of sheep from Scotland will have 50% black sheep. Do you even logic bro?

Except in your case, no study has been done, no correlation proven, nothing, nada.

You keep using the word “logic” like you know what it is. Just stop. 🙂

So, according to you, no study has been done about what percentage of certain demographics vote a certain way? Really?

What part of inferring random subset criteria from complete set data don’t you understand? It’s a valid logical deduction in the absence of concrete data disproving it. We know water is wet, it does not take a specific study to find out that a certain body of water will be wet.

In order to refute such a logical deduction you would need to show that the sample is not, in fact, random in respect to the variable in question.

Good luck.

Hardly. You would need to demonstrate that there is a correlation between a specific demographic (criminals) and voter registration, and furthermore prove there is no source of bias in the link (race) you used to attempt to bridge the two. You have not shown any data for the former, and I already pointed out one strong likelihood of non-uniformity for the latter. By the way, that shows your groups are not random, thus answering your supposedly rhetorical question. 🙂

As before, there is nothing to refute, your claims are self-evidently baseless.

Random as to the variable in question you commie sack of shit. Do you even English bro?

You mad? 🙂

As I said before, “random” requires uniformity and you have none. QED. Deal with it.

“i agree with “pwserge” that crime (especially violent crime) is committed more by ‘progressives’ than ‘conservatives”. My reasoning is because it is obvious on its face.”

What is correlation for $200?

Also note that the black community is noted for supporting many social conservative values (against the wishes of their Democratic overlords). I can see some extremely funny results from any such ‘study’.

So blacks are now “conservative”… Right… Go tell Thug Lives Matter that.

See how you ignore the point that blacks are overwhelmingly socially conservative.

Stay mad. 🙂

First off, I said “Progressives” not Blacks. Second, here are many ways to define conservative and progressive. However, when u vote for Democrats at 92%, you really are not a conservative no matter how “socially conservative” you claim to be. That, or u are insane! The little old Black grandma who has some conservative beliefs is offset exponentially by the 22 year old thug who has committed a dozen violent crimes and supports progressive beliefs.

Indeed, asking cops today to actually behave like civilized people and protect the community, instead of using force first and mindlessly enforcing the diktats of the political class, that is just too much. So comply or die.

Yet more proof that modern policing is incompatible with a free society.

Again, I’m not saying that it’s right, but that is the way it is right now.

In fact, the TSA just tackled and bloodied an autistic girl for ‘not complying’ it’s not right, but unless you want your ass beat, or worse, you should understand that that is the way it is. I’m all for getting it changed, and I think body cams will be very helpful in changing things, but it’s gonna take time.

note: not referring to ‘you’ specifically

The TSA is hardly the best exemplar for proper or legal police practices.

Regardless, there’s simply no way a “resisting” charge would stick if the only thing it was based on is not instantly complying to verbal command. At least it wouldn’t use to.

Nowadays? I’ll grant you: all bets to “common sense” are off.

Yeah, that’s what I see. I don’t know if he was going for the gun, but it looks like his hands were right there. Oddly enough, it does look like he’s reaching for it after he was shot, while he was laying on his back.

The favored pro-cop line is that he had a gun and therefore it is a “good shoot”. As if having a gun is in itself a death sentence.

@MDS – No one here made any automatic assumptions about whether or not this was shooting justified based on his possession of a gun alone, nor could you point out any.

No one here made any statements even remotely implying any advocacy of state-sanctioned homicide for the mere act of carrying a weapon, either, nor could you point out any.

I am equally amused that you would knowingly and deliberately out-and-out lie in order to make some kind of “point” that was completely unfounded in the first place.

The purpose in pointing out this fact is simply to add another piece to the puzzle. Nothing more.

Feel free to add anything else you might have yourself. Or not. I’m not in the business of telling other people what to do.

Here is what I know:
People are lying when they say Sterling was unarmed. You see the police remove the gun from his pocket.
People are lying when they say the police had both of Sterling’s arms pinned. His right arm was under the car and he had access to his right front pocket that contained the gun.
People are lying when they say these cops were racists that executed a black man. They were called to the scene because a man matching Sterling’s description was reported to have pulled a gun on someone. When they made contact, they had justifiable reason to believe they were dealing with a hostile armed person. They ordered him to the ground. He did not comply. They had a taser out and may have deployed it (less lethal). They tackled him (less lethal). They asked him “what have you got on you?” Then the cop feels the gun as he is frisking him and says “He’s got a gun!” At this point the other cop draws his gun but does not shoot (less lethal). The cop warns Sterling “You fucking move I swear to God!” (verbal warning less lethal). At this point, a reasonable person has to deduce that the cop, knowing where the gun is, warning the suspect not to move, was attempting to get the suspects gun.
The next thing we hear is the cop, that was going into Sterling’s pocket to secure the weapon, yell “he’s going for the gun!” A reasonable person has to believe that when the cop started going into the pocket containing the gun, Sterling resisted this attempt which is a fight to control the firearm. That is is a fight that lethal force becomes justified.
Stay tuned for the riots when these cops avoid indictment.

IMHO, they ought to release all of the video on this incident, early and unedited.

(From the link:)
‘Marcelle told WAFB there is at least one surveillance camera from the store and one dashcam that captured the shooting, but police have not released them.

“What I said to the chief is he has to have transparency in this matter because as you can see this is getting out of hand. People are clearly upset and they want transparency,” Marcelle said.’