The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence released the following statement after the 9th Circuit Court struck down “good cause” provisions of California’s concealed carry laws.
Washington, DC—Today in a 2-1 decision, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ruled San Diego County violates the Second Amendment in Peruta v. County of San Diego. The following is a statement from Jonathan Lowy, Director, Legal Action Project, Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence: “Neither history or precedent supports this aberrant, split decision that concocts a dangerous right of people to carry hidden handguns in public places to people whom law enforcement has determined that they have no good cause or qualifications to do so. The parents of Jordan Davis and Trayvon Martin, whose children were killed by licensed concealed-carry holders, could educate the Court about the real dangers posed by this legal error. We are hopeful that this mistake will be corrected by the entire Court.”
Perhaps the Brady Campaign should rename itself to the “Criminal Defense Campaign of America-Ensuring thugs like Treyvon Martin get more rights then their victims.”
Alabama always scores near the bottom for students’ test scores. Remington will regret this move when they cannot find enough local employees that can read the training manuals; but hey, they’ll work for less so that doesn’t matter.
Expect a lot of FTFs with Remington ammo once production gears up.
Ok, well, this has been fun, but I’ve had about all I can take for today of collective butt-hurt. The sky is not falling, the site is not going to hell, but the comments have gotten exhausting. Time for me to move on to other, happier thoughts, like how my FFL will be receiving another toy next week, and I’m taking a bunch of newbies from work to the range next weekend.
Meanwhile, here’s a quick video that pretty much sums up my interpretation of the entirety of the importance of today’s PSA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI
Have a good weekend, everyone. 🙂
>concocts a dangerous right of people to carry hidden handguns in public places
What? TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. When does the court get around to addressing magazine capacity limitations? I find NOTHING about that in the Bill of Rights.
Free at last! Free At Last!
now I’ll buy a new Rem to celebrate!
So the principal from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off went to work for the Brady Center? I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
Neither history or precedent? Really? Did they not read the freaking opinion and the historical analysis behind it? What a bunch of idiots.
Banging my head on the wall. These people make statements about The Constitution and only prove their ignorance. The authors of The Constitution were so afraid of tyranny that they added the first ten amendments, what we now call The Bill of Rights. Taken collectively, they state the government has no power. The PEOPLE POSSESS ALL POWER! We just let the government use it at our convenience. There are ample writings by The Constitutions’ authors making this clear.
Wait just a minute… The Brady Campaign doesn’t like guns?
Neither history or precedent supports this aberrant, split decision that concocts a dangerous right of people to carry hidden handguns in public places to people whom law enforcement has determined that they have no good cause or qualifications to do so.
Reading this proclamation, you’d think that there were no “shall issue” States, and surely that they were not the overwhelming majority. It’s actually CA that’s aberrant at this point.
More agitprop from the Brady’s.
Trying to cherry pick a single incident to prove a point makes no sense. It is simply their echo chamber.
While I am scepticle of the 9th circuit, I tend to feel, like Illinois, the ruling will stand.
This was not a unanimous ruling but it didn’t need to be. I found the ruling to be well thought out, yes even the discent.
Bottom line is, when you charge undue fees, or make approval purely arbitrary, it is infringement.
I would point out that California can allow one method of carry or the other. If California wants to scrap concealed carry it can do so, but must allow open carry. Alternatively it can ban open carry, but must allow concealed carru, with self – defense being sufficient cause for issuing the permit.
The spokesman is patently wrong, the ruling did not dictate that everyone must be allowed to carry concealed, rather that California must allow one or the other without such restrictions that would equal a ban on both.
I’d like to see CA pass open carry on the erroneous belief that no one would actually do that, and then see the reaction when they find that millions do.
You have to read the Peruta decision to understand its perspective. It is TRUE, as even Heller recognized, that many courts have upheld laws banning the concealed carriage of handguns. The dissent in Peruta made exactly this argument–technically, the only issue was whether San Diego’s policy for issuing concealed weapons permits and requiring “good cause” was constitutional, and focusing on this very narrow question, concluded that it was. There is amply authority for this proposition. But what the dissent failed to consider is that in each case where concealed carry was banned, open carry was preserved. This fact is nowhere mentioned in the dissent or by the Brady Bunch.
What the majority, in an excellently written decision by Justice O’Scanlain (a second amendment rights supporter), argued was that that the law could not be considered in isolation; what also needed to be considered was whether California allowed an alternative to concealed carry, and thus protected the right accorded by the Second Amendment. Interestingly enough, at the time of the trial court decision, it was still lawful to openly carry unloaded firearms, but in the years while this case was pending on appeal, California passed laws banning open carry of both unloaded handguns and long guns in urban areas. Therefore, as the law now stands, the only way for an average citizen to lawfully carry a firearm for the core interest guaranteed by the second amendment of self-defense is by obtaining a CCW–and San Diego simply will not issue a CCW if the good cause is no more that self-defense. Thus, the combined effect of the California statutes, at least in San Diego County (some counties, like Sacramento and most rural counties, issue for self-defense), was a total ban on carriage of firearms, an impermissible elimination of the exercise of the 2A right. Los Angeles and San Francisco, which also ban CCWs for average citizens, run afoul of the same holding.
There is no doubt that this opinion will be further appealed. Like all urban county sheriffs and big city police chiefs, he is absolutely convinced that “more guns=more crime” and that there is an important public interest in keeping guns off the street–that only Adam Winkler supports this view is of no moment. The Sheriff will probably first a request an en banc hearing, and if that is unsuccessful, then a petition for review to SCOTUS. If the decision survives the en banc review, then Supreme Court review is entirely LIKELY; the majority opinion EXPLICITLY stated that it was creating a split of authority (9th and 7th on one side, holding that there cannot be a complete ban on all forms of carry, versus 2,3, and 4 all upholding the “may issue” systems in effect in NY, NJ, and Maryland–and ignoring that this creates a virtual ban), exactly the type of controversy that merits Supreme Court review.
Alameda county sherifs office says on their website that a ccw permit is a privilige and not a right protected by 2a. Self defense is not a good enough reason for the privilege.
I live in Alameda county.
Translation: “If this ruling stands, we’ll all have to go to work and do something productive for a living.”
I’m honestly surprised that the Bradys are still around. Mayors Demand Illegal Action with Moms seem to get all the limelight.
Guess the Joyce Foundation is still acting as sugar daddy.
“Neither history or precedent supports this”, either he didn’t read it or is in a deep, deep state of denial.
if all you’ve got to offer for an anti-gun argument is the Trayvon Martin case, you got nuthin
Wow! The farthest progressive Ninth Circus must have had a good day, tomorrow they will probably rule illegals can have all the benefits of an American citizen,…..oh wait,… Nevermind. As for the Brady Bunch? Cue the toddler having a tantrum image..I’ll take sour grapes for $500 Alex….
Merritt should have forced them to get a warrant, and then called a lawyer on his way to work.
I believe in law and order, but law and order MUST APPLY TO COPS just like everyone else.
Most cops are great guys. A few are jerks with a gun and authority. Sometimes cops attempt to intimidate people into complying with bullshit.
I had a cop try to charge me with reckless driving just because he felt that I cut him off in traffic. IMO, he was using his badge to get back at a perceived insult. A lawyer fixed that problem.
Trayvon got what he deserved, he tried to beat someone to death who was older and not in similar shape, therefore “disparity of force” is the point where a gun can be used against an unarmed, yet more lethal person as defense.
Paranoia and hostility are long term effects of his little cocktail he was known to drink. Soda, skittles and cough syrup make “lean” or “sizzurp”, a commonly known ghetto drink. A drink that Trayvon bragged about consuming on his facebook page, He consumed a lot of this based on autopsy result showing liver damage in a 17 YEAR OLD. Also he bragged about punching a bus driver for no reason, the kid was a thug, all thugs meet the same fate, eventually. Not quite exactly the cute, little candy eating and soda drinking innocent he was portrayed to be in the media, huh?
Councillor, please tell me how long it took the PD to arrest Mr. Zimmerman after he was CLEARED of wrongdoing by detectives of the same department? (7 weeks, yes?), Also, please inform me of the reason that the Chief of this Department RESIGNED? (He refused to be racially BULLIED by E.Holder into arresting a CLEARED individual).
The Brady Center would do better to observe the government FACTS regarding carry conceal and the DETRIMENTAL effect it has on violent crime, more guns means LESS crime…that, Sir, IS a fact that is irrefutable. Please get with logic and facts instead of emotional tirades that a second grader could refute. If Jim Brady was carrying a concealed firearm and was trained per the NRA standard Basic Pistol Course, that day, he might not be in the situation he’s in now. How ya like themmm apples?
Kudos to Remington! The firearms and accessory manufacturers that are still located in Menshevik states should follow suit. The “New” New York commercial that regularly disrupts my enjoyment of “Varney & Co.” on FBN is an audio-visual Potemkin village that makes Baghdad Bob look like George Washington.
+1!
Major mixed metaphor and damn funny to boot.
Thankfully the “whole court” will not hear this. That isn’t how it works, Mr. Ignoramus.
Likely would be that if en banc is granted, than judge Kozinski would preside, and 10 others would be drawn by lot, making eleven (there are 29 active judgships on the court, and 43 judges if we count senior status ones)
Kozinski would go for us. So we would need 5 (out of ten) judges drawn by lot to be favorable. The odds are more in favor of a liberal majority, but not overwhelmingly so. This procedure is why the 9th Circuit is so frequently at conflict with itself.
It’s the best service pistol we’ve ever had.
The Brits often remark that U.S. Soldiers are the best equipped and worse trained. By and large I’d have to say we’re the 2nd best equipped behind the Germans, but I’d agree that U.S. Soldiers are poorly trained, specifically speaking about small arms – from understanding the theory, to execution of basic skills, individual skill is not anything close to “mastery.” We have very good training strategy that is poorly executed – especially in the Army.
Even among those units and “operators” that one would expect to shoot very well are just “ok.”
The service M9’s that our team uses in competition are “rack grade” regularly used and deployed for years. We win with them because we train properly with them. There are no fancy sights or extended mag releases or fancy trigger jobs. We just put in the WORK and train (dry fire mostly). There are no short cuts. You can spend $400 on a decent 92FS or M9 and crush all comers provided that you train. Chapionship skill, or Mastery can never be purchased from any rockstar cool guy gun teacher or obtained through the shiniest accessory or laser sight. Mastery is earned alone. Reading. Studying. Fingers rubbed raw from reloading. In your sleep you see the front sight. You hear the “beeeep!!” of the shot timer in your mind, you know courses of fire by heart, you visualize excellence. But above everything else – you get on the firing line and compete – unafraid to fail. And when you do lose – you never lose the lesson. You practice more than the next guy. Relentless in your plan for perfection.
I seem to remember a lot of you people wanting to sell your Remington what-nots not too long ago, and here I see that same bunch now wanting to buy one.
How fickle we are.
Anyway, this is still good news all around. Lots of skilled labor in Alabama, contrary to whatever churlish rants about them “not being able read technical manuals” or some other complete bullshit like that, and plenty of decently-paying jobs coming their way. I wonder if Remington plans to close their Ilion plant once their .gov contracts are fulfilled…
Most of those are the same people who refuse to accept that Remington’s HQ has been in North Carolina for years. http://www.remington.com/en/pages/our-company/our-company.aspx
Reward the faithful, punish the faithless.
That aside, I get what you’re saying, which is why I don’t go in to much for the “So-and-so is dead to me!” wharrgarbl. Like I noted in my letter to Goodyear about their weapons policy: “Should Goodyear’s policy on this matter change in the future, I will consider reestablishing our business relationship.”
This would make a nice companion piece to my Marlin 1894 campfire gun.
I shoot .44 special as I don’t live in bear country and the .44Mag is a bit much for my wife.
It doesn’t matter how many people were shot or killed by REAL criminals, including the shooting of James Brady, we have to worry about law-abiding citizens and their rights!
“right of people to carry hidden handguns in public places to people whom law enforcement has determined that they have no good cause or qualifications to do so”
Translation: Guilty until proven innocent. So much for the rule of law they purport to care so much about.
Huntsville is a nice place. Good choice!
Looks like a great idea, but I hate the S&W locks. They do nothing to make anyone any safer and add one more component that can cause a failure. You can secure a revolver with just a padlock around the topstrap or around the triggerguard.
I will never knowingly consume Pepsi or anything PepsiCo owns. Off to research what all to boycott!
I won’t by a new S&W as long as they continue with that side lock. If/when they eliminate the lock on production grade guns, I will buy at least 5 new S&W revolvers. I bet I’m not alone.
video – funny.
message – not so funny.
No need to support fat boy. SCOTUS is gonna b!tch slap you into the new year. Oh and I am sure we will uncover corruption pointing towards you. Can’t wait for you to be someone’s boo in the joint.
Patiently waiting by the bank of the river . . . .
i will never support you. no matter how many elections you are in or fundraisers you have. (partly because i am nowhere near nj, but still).
What he said:
“I will never support carrying a concealed weapon.”
What he meant:
“I will never support carrying a concealed weapon unless it’s for my well-connected political contributors… and my security detail.”
Animal Farm becomes more relevant every day in NJ.
75 years in prison, which means a life sentence. I can live with that.
I like how it’s only the media and gun control advocates are trying to tie this case to the Zimmerman one… because they don’t understand evidence. All they know is “non-cop with gun… dead young person… black… racist murderer!”
So this guy doesn’t have lots of gun folks rushing to defend him just because he’s a white guy with a gun… but there are plenty of people who will pronounce him guilty for that fact.
There was overwhelming response in favor of this when I lived there last year, but it was killed in committee anyway. I honestly don’t expect this to go very far.
Keeping my fingers crossed, but I’m not expecting it to make it to her desk.
Even then, politicians these days are, for the most part, very “flighty”; i.e. they blow in whichever direction the wind comes and whenever it’s politically expedient for them.
Hey, I liked it. Of course, I am a Scandinavian from SD and like to read a lot. If you have ever read the Poetic Edda this is positive brevity! It made me think of Ted Trueblood for some reason.
Great discussion, but as things usually go, they get off course, and opinions rather than facts tend to take over. There are numerous “flaws” that contribute to the Negligent Discharge (no Accidents here!). The #1 key is HUMAN responsibility, the #2 flaw is UNFAMILIARITY with equipment & technique, the distant #3 flaw is INCOMPATIBILITY. Beyond these three, all other factors are contributors.
#1
The shooters made choices on the weapon, the holster, the training, the practice, and the execution of the previous. The shooter is responsible for all his/her own choices at this level of shooting. The shooter chose to buy the (in this case) the weapon and Serpa holster; the shooter chose to go to the range, training class, practice course, or competition with the equipment and level of (#2) FAMILIARITY.
South Carolinians, tell us about Haley. Is she competent? A good administrator and manager? I’ve seen her on the talk shows and she seems sharp, always quick with a good riposte to the typically lefty interviewers. But we can’t afford another four years of criminal incompetence and contempt, even toward the left.
If I shot everybody who played their music too loud, there wouldn’t be anyone in MA under the age of 25 still alive in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
Disagree with the OP that the victim was not situationally aware. Clearly the three low-lifes ran up to him catching him off-guard, but he quickly responded and took care of the situation.