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What’s scarier, the police or the denizens?
As a white guy I felt the same way at first. Granted, I was living a hyper-left-leaning urban shithole at the time and the process to get a permit taught me that the power structure would do anything it could to prevent me from carrying so right out of the gate I felt like a targeted individual for years.
Every cop I saw was an enemy to be avoided at all cost. Cold sweats when one was driving behind me. Don;t make eye contact less he fly into the red zone over nothing at all. Is this cop one of the “good” ones or will he do everything in and above his power to ruin me for exercising my rights?
I’m far removed from that situation but I still can’t fully trust cops. Nobody had to teach me they hated me. They told me so in words and actions. The entire political structure did so.
This is what it’s like the first time you do anything everyone around you would rather you not do. Lawful or not.
Keep at it and it will become normal in time. Normalization is the best weapon against this feeling. Not necessarily normalization with society at large or even your peers but normalization with yourself. That, in turn, radiates out to society at large.
I got a Texas Weapon Systems dog leg rail for my AK63d and a red dot.
What firearms infringrnents would the Founders (generally speaking, those who led the revolution itself and/or the colonial actions calling for it, including everyone who signed the Declaration if Independence) have approved of? Hard to say.
What infringements would the Framers have approved of (meaning everyone who signed the Constitution, including some crossover signers from the Declaration)? Less difficult to say: potentially, ALL infringements.
The proof? The Framers debated and rejected applying the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment, to the states; it applied only to the federal government. Read and re-read that sentence as many times as it takes to sink in. I’ll wait.
Ready? OK. The BoR applied only to the federal government, with everything else being relegated to the states and the people, in that order. True, some state constitutions provided firearms freedom protection. However, that was the states’ prerogative. They could just as easily imposed restrictions. In fact, many did and the Framers knew that.
The fact is that the 2A was not incorporated (universally and constitutionally enforced against) on the states until the 2008 Heller decision. Those centuries of delay and the infringements they permitted were allowed by Framers who declined to apply the Bill of Rights to the states at the outset.
Is that an historical quirk owing to the compromises and trade-offs inherent in a constitutional convention? Perhaps. Probably. Almost certainly. Still, it does evince an absence of any unanimous, unambiguous stance in favor of unfettered firearms freedom across all jurisdictions that we like to cast retroactively on those delegates.
You ignore the 13th and 14th Ammendment, which specifically applied the Bill of Rights to the states. And Heller was a case out of DC, which is federal territory, not a state, so while Heller applies to the states, it does so through the 13th and 14th Amendments.
Bad cops have earned fear of all cops for all cops. I imagine that the majority are not very bad (and a few are excellent) but the courts, fellow police (esp the unions) and the law has made it very easy to be a psychopathic predator if you are a cop.
I am afraid of every cop because I don’t know which ones are the assholes and I am quite certain that they can likely get away with anything they choose to do to me. Every time a light goes out on my car at night I know that that is blood in the water.
As a courier that drove a lot at night I have had a few frightening interactions with police and I frequently read about how to put cops at ease during a traffic stop and adhere to that advice very much. That doesn’t help when you get power mad sadist though.
Sadly there likely are a few ill informed police that do harass the law abiding, however I believe that the majority of police are decent people that have come to understand that concealed and open carry are legal and not a cause to bother people. That said I have to point out a couple lapses in Conneceticut, my state of residence.
Interestingly, the moralizing anti gun Democrat dominated supposedly anti-racist legislature was very keen on passing legislation to go after people open carrying by seemingly requiring police to confront them for ID. The law was not passed, apparently in some part because it was recognized as a racist law. The greater problem is the attitude of people like Gov Malloy of CT is that they just have to wait a while and run that bill again later when people might not be paying attention or are worn down to apathy from the apparent disregard state government has for the citizens of CT.
Two videos, one police harass a legal open carry in Bridgeport, CT. Noted as 19th of “100 Most Dangerous American Cities” by https://lawstreetmedia.com/100-dangerous-chart/
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/01/13/open-carry-gun-owner-videotapes-police-requesting-his-permit-inside-connecticut-store-just-wait-until-you-get-a-load-of-his-answer
The second, a 2nd amendment activist has his phone confiscated, the CT State Police conspire to create charges against him. This is discovered because they don’t realize the phone is recording their conversation and it is later retrieved by the activist.
https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2016/09/connecticut-state-police-sued-after-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-fabricate-charges-against-open-carry-activist/
After reading the huffpo article it seems to be an attempt imprint reasons and label “black gun owners” and by labelling them keep them separate from “american gun culture” as far as it goes the article does make statements that seem to be meant to separate “black gun owners” and create further divides. Fact is “black gun owners” are not all that different in motivation on owning guns. At least from the people I have met. 1. guns are fun, 2. self defense of family and self. 3. It is my right as an American.
It is interesting that Huffpo would take a new angle and admit that there are black gun owners.
I went and “sold” an old Jennings J22 and a piece of junk .38 special that had been collecting dust in my safe for 20 years, and which cost me a grand total of $50. I walked out of there with $200 cash. Most of the guns I saw turned in were similar to mine, with less value than what they were paying ($250 for “assault rifles”, $150 for rifles/shotguns, $100 for handguns). I used the $200 to buy a scope for my AR15. 😉
A well regulated [equipped] militia being necessary to the security of a free state ? {Yes, therefore]
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Racism is a thing. I won’t deny that.
But I would submit that any person’s likelihood of being hassled by the police has a lot to do with whether or not you dress, behave and speak like a thug. It has less to do with skin color.
Age has a lot to do with it. 18 year old boys are all punks regardless of race. Well, most of them anyway. And if you’re of that age and you dress and act like a punk, people will assume you’re a punk.
FWIW, I have several relatives that were murdered in the Holocaust.
I don’t have any problem with statues or memorials or tributes to German soldiers.
Ask yourself this question: Why are statues of Confederate generals and politicians a problem now, when the Civil War has been over for 150 years?
I don’t blame her. I live on a busy street in the southern suburbs of Chicago. Stevie Wonder can observe who the local po-leece detain in the vast # of harassm…er stops. And I’m in my mid 60’s and understand how effed up the revenue model is in local po-leeceing. Yes how you speak,dress,groom and act has a huge bearing how you’re treated. Frankly I’m surprised more cops aren’t ASSaulted…
I wonder if this dude would be up for debating Nicolas Johnson over at Fordham Law about this subject?
Well personally I imagine that not a lot of black people carry guns is probably a function of statistics. A lot of them live in Democrat occupies cities where it’s harder to get legal access to self defense arms. Of course the fear aspect of it is a driver as well. But that’s also a bit of a function of how the media is doing it’s best to instill fear of authority with constant news coverage of every single bad shooting that happens.
being a white person and not black and not trying to act like i know everything, all i can say is that is understandable.
Shall issue is and has been the law in Michigan for a long time and so I think the police here (of all levels) have long been trained that people (CPL holders) with guns are a common (daily) occurrence.
I am in my 40s, Hispanic, had my CPL for almost 10 years and I carry every single day. I live in the Detroit area and drive through the city every day for work (not on the freeways). I have never been afraid to legally carry and I have never been given a problem by any of the tri-county area police for carrying.
I am much, much more afraid of being the victim of an armed robbery or other violent crime than of having a bad run in with police because I carry.
3 black people I work with also have their CPLs and carry every day and I also have 2 older brothers who have CPLs and carry every day.
We all arrived at a decision to carry at different times in our lives and through various circumstances but almost all of us had the same reason. It was out of a concern over violent crime.
Here’s a tip — use a free internet archive site when linking to garbage rags like The Trace/Salon/etc. They only survive on clickbait-y titles and fake news “polls and studies” like this one; clicking on their site helps them regardless of what you’re going there to read or disprove. Using an archive robs them of that.
I wonder if these “conservationists” are what they think they are. From my experience conservationists and hunters have always been strong allies. For the most part I’m indifferent to coyotes, if I saw one while out hunting I wouldnt bother it. If I saw one in my backyard though, thatd be an issue. Then it might be time to break out my Savage Mk2 with my SilencerCo Spectre 2.
Wildlife is running away from the savagery of the rural America. Why should anyone be surprised?
They’re pissed a few scoundrels got past them, that’s a fact.
Simple, chop the hands off. It is a bit extreme but it should be a good deterrent.
Artificial hands can fix that. Try, “shoot the mofo dead as a stump.” Seriously. If he cannot be trusted to wander loose and armed in a free society, dispatch the turd. The world is *grossly* overpopulated, we do not need him.
They are more than willing to throw other people’s money away…typical politicians…
The best answer is to apply a penalty directly to the governmental officials that are not following the law, not to the agency but the actual people. The penalty should be the value of the total loss of the property that was destroyed plus any additional costs incurred by their lawless behavior. This will make them think twice before they willingly go against the people’s wishes. Penalizing the municipality doesn’t stop lawless behavior as the scofflaws are just screwing the public once again making them pay for their lawlessness.
I agree. As a citizen I am not free to ignore laws I disagree with, so by what right do politicians balk at laws they find contentious?
I firmly believe that each of these cases must be taken individually:
1) General memorials to confederate soldiers who answered the call of their state governments and fought for them should not be torn down. What should happen is memorials to the hundreds of thousands of Black troops who fought and died should be erected.
2) Memorials to Confederate leadership should be evaluated on an individual basis:
Stonewall Jackson is an example of someone who should be memorialized. Before the war, he was known as some a slave who was going to be “sold south” to be worked to death could appeal to. If he could, he would purchase you to prevent that from happening. Furthermore, he was involved in organizing and supporting an illegal Sunday School that taught black slaves how to read and write. He continued to support the Sunday School while serving in the Confederate Army. (See: http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Stonewall-Jackson-window-memorialized-at-black-church-in-Virginia-443572693.html )
Then there is Robert E. Lee, who never purchased a slave, freed those he inherited in 1863 (an amazing thing for him to do given the political statement it made), constantly advocated for the enlistment of slaves who would serve in fully integrated units and be granted freedom and land after the war. This same Robert E. Lee swore renewed allegiance almost immediately after the war – said oath specifically included a promise to defend the freedom of former slaves. His action inspired thousands of his soldiers to do the same. Additionally, when dismissing his troops he told them to, “Go home and be good citizens of the United States”. There are also fairly credible reports that when no one else would take communion with a Black parishioner, he walked down the isle of the church and knelt next to him. On the other had he was the most prominent Confederate General of the war. Personally – I think that a memorial listing all of the above would be appropriate – and impossible for racists to use as a rallying point.
Then there are Confederates who should not ever be memorialized. Nathan Bedford Forest is one of them. A slave trader before the war, he was involved in war crimes during the war, and after the war he was involved in the formation of the KKK. No way should memorials to him remain!
Given that the police have NO legal duty to protect me as an individual, NOT carrying seems like an unforced error.
It’s buying into the philosophy of those like Rahm Emmanual and Bill Di Blasio, “We don’t have to protect you and we won’t let you protect yourself.
NO, I REFUSE.
Well, yes, but only sort of.
You can stop criminals from obtaining firearms if you keep them behind bars (or in deep holes covered with quick lime). This presumes you have a list of criminals, but the funny thing about that, is you become a criminal once you commit a crime (technically I suppose it’s once you are convicted of a crime); prior to that you are a citizen in good standing.
Could you ever stop people from becoming criminals. Hasn’t happened yet; don’t expect it will.
i dont even live there and im f’n pissed about this BS
Well coyotes and herds of deer are very common here in Southern Cook co. And it’s illegal ro hunt either. I run into the retarded bunny hugger types especially on local fb pages. Too stupid to understand coyotes are VERMIN and not a doggie. God’s creatures and not critters. Needless to say they’re anti-gun…
Many black people can’t legally carry anyway…what with criminal histories and all.
Same for whites, too. Not denying that.
If you’ve ever wondered about this question, then this 2010 study (http://paa2011.princeton.edu/papers/111687) is for you!
About 25% of the total US adult black population has a felony, while 6.5% of adult non-blacks have a felony conviction. About 8.6% of the adult population has a felony conviction.
Florida is a particularly egregious police state. 35% of adult blacks in Florida have felony conviction, 14% of the total adult population in Florida have a felony conviction.
About 20 million people have a felony conviction in Amerika. That works out to about 1 in 12 adult Americans
https://www.libertariannews.org/2014/06/05/what-percentage-of-us-adult-population-that-has-a-felony-conviction/
+1 if those are Talon grips. I got a set for my G29. It turned the buffalo bore wrist breaking hard cast lead loads into your every day joyful range day that cost $1.60 per shot.
This lawsuit is a joke. These democrat-run cities and states are the ones primarily responsible for not putting mentally ill people into the checks system. Because they believe “the mentally ill have rights”.
They have been fine with the mentally ill walking around unguarded to do whatever they want to do in public. This includes pushing innocent people onto subway tracks or pushing someone onto a street to be run over or perhaps be stabbed by a mentally ill person with “rights”.
But you can’t have a CCW to protect yourself against these very sick people.
Well where I deer hunt in Western NY, I often see groups of them, neighbors report seeing a pack of 10-12 . Its not uncommon for me to see 3 or 4 of them move through together .
Most years I kill one or two from my deer stand and pass up many more . This year I dropped a 7pt in its tracks , 5 minutes later a couple coyotes came in after it , one left …..
My understanding is their group has a dominate male and female, and they keep those not of the pack out of the area .
If it’s climbing thru my window at 3 am.
A former military guy I knew a while back had a Beretta 92 and a .410 shotgun, specifically because his very diminutive wife and daughter could handle them effectively due to the low recoil. I have a Ruger SR9C and a HiPoint 995TS, plus a variety of others. For home defense, sighting the intruder is of paramount importance. I have a laser on the 995 and really should get a laser for the Ruger. I also have a Sig 238 with tritium sights that at least allows you to approximate an aim in the dark. The laser almost eliminates the need to aim the carbine at under 25 yards. Just place the dot and it does not matter how the weapon is held, especially with the minimal recoil. It would be hard enough to be awakened in the middle of the night, get it together to grab the weapon and ear protection, and still have to find the glasses.
Id rather build a 600 buck psa rifle and put a 1k scope on it than buy a 1500 factory gun that has 500 bucks worth of parts (so you paid 1k for assembly and brand name), and then top it with a 200 dollar scope made in china.
My question is, what happens to someone when they refuse a search? If the cop does nothing and lets them go I kind of have a hard time saying it’s an unconstitutional search, the person agreed to it. Now, if the cop does something dumb like threatening obstruction charges, then it is absolutely unconstitutional and the cop needs to be arrested under deprivation of rights.
People need to assertively deny cops running roughshod over the 4th amendment, especially if they are in fact doing nothing wrong. There is nothing a cop can do to me that pisses me off more or faster than being accused of wrongdoing when I’ve done nothing wrong.