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(courtesy Mrgunsngear's Facebook page)

 

New York’s SAFE Act is a bad, bad thing. It requires people to register, sell or transfer (out of state) “assault rifles” and “high capacity” magazines. Many Empire State gun and standard capacity ammunition magazine owners have complied. Many have not. So, at some point, the State’s gonna go get ’em. People on both sides of the law enforcement divide will die and the s will hit the fan. Meanwhile, there it is: the reason why expanded background checks, indeed all background checks and any type of registration, set the stage for confiscation. And tyranny. [ED: This notice was sent for New York City residents, based on New York City laws, not necessarily SAFE Act provisions.] [h/t DrVino]

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    • That letter represents no freedoms. 3 .22s and dude gets a threatening letter from the guvmint? Wrong-o. Time to be moving to… Anywhere else. Except New Jersey. And California. And Illinois. And… I just got a little scared.

      • Just keep telling yourself that we live in the land of the free and that our troops keep fighting and dying for our freedoms and liberties! Truth of the matter is, if our troops were really fighting and dying for our freedoms and liberties, they would be fighting the only entity that has/is/will continue to stomp on our rights/freedoms/the Unites States Constitution >>> The U.S. Government!

        This is why the conditioned/programmed military worship has grown to all time high levels. By proxy, your worship of them and their REAL duties, breeds more and more of the loss of freedom and liberties for the citizens that worship them!

        We were warned about this…

        “Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended. Its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a constant state of war . . . and in the degeneracy of manners and morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.”

        – James Madison, April 20, 1795

        • Us “mindless drones” people like to call us in the military will fight the government. Except me here in Wisconsin will not fight for New York, California or any other libtard state. If the people ALLOW their state government to do this that’s on them.

        • There has been some discussion over the last few years about secession and the supposition that the War Between the States and some SCOTUS decision has determined that there is no legal authority for a state to secede after once joining the Union. This is pure legal bullshit, actually, since any society is premised on VOLUNTARY association and the very purpose of the Declaration of Independence was to describe the time, place and reasons for dissolving political bonds.

          However, is there any legal precedent for kicking the bastards out? Can we come up with any plan for New York, New Jersey, Illinois, California, etc., whereby we can legally and Constitutionally say that since they have determined to no longer govern according to The Constitution of the United States of America, which they have all sworn an oath to uphold, that they are hereby EXPELLED from that union?

          Just sayin’.

        • Hey Richard.. you are losing your sight picture. NY is not a libtard state.. it’s primarily controlled by Libtard NYC.. the rest of us don’t give a &$*# about NYC+5. We are fighting back..

        • Instead of shooting the gestapo who willingly follow these unconstitutional orders go after the bastards like bloomberg first. They have not the balls to come themselves. Resistance is a must otherwise you give up your freedom without a fight there vBulletin Will be deaths but that’s the cost of freedom. Piss on new York and bloomberg especially

        • Well said. Short version: War is the instrument through which the wealthy control governments. In peace, free nations regulate corporate influences to benefit all of society — in war corporations gain the upper hand and shift the benefit to their own shareholders.

          • “free nations regulate corporate influences”

            Well, in Free nations it’s not government that “regulate[s] corporate influences,” it’s the Free Market. Government regulation is cronyism, where the regulations are there to prevent competition.

            FIFY. 😉

        • Move to Phoenix Arizona you can open or conceal carry here without a permit and hell if you feel like you can walk down the street with these long rifles including your AR-15 if you want too. No one will say anything. We love our gun owners here. We welcome you any time.

        • that is true Mindy i live in tucson but i do have license to carry and i really have to say to the people in new york stand for what you believe so what you believe will stand you are FREE MEN AND WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Kansas gave us Kathleen Sebelius, the Typhoid Mary of healthcare. Not sure I want to live in a state that is literaly flat, has people like Sebelius and those who voted her into office as Governor, and is located in the middle of nowhere.

          Even Dorothy and ToTo left Kansas!

      • Vendetta, why would you include Illinois in that list? I’m sitting here smack dab in the middle of Illinois and have somewhere in the vicinity of 20 rifle magazines that hold 30 rounds, around 10 pistol magazines that hold 15 rounds. All perfectly legal right here in Illinois. This state is not the friendliest state of the Union for guns, but it’s far better then New York.

        • I am so glad someone said something in defense of Illinois. I HATE this state’s politics and agenda’s, that I can promise you. I can also promise you that if they wanted to start sending out notices like this here, there would be a revolution inside Illinois’s borders. 3/4 of the state would be heading to Cook county, and stop in Sangamon on the way up. You can see that our gun owners/supporters here are growing more bold. We will have our first CCW permits rolling out before summer next year.

      • Hey, now… don’t judge the rest of Illinois by Chicago. Outside there, we’re winning. The CCW victory was a major blow to the hoplophobes. That crowd seems to be barricading themselves in Cook County and thank God for that, IMHO.

        While we do have the Firearm Owners ID, it’s far better than any state that has *any* sort of registration or licensing option. It’s not much more than a “carry with you” background check that you’re not a felon or dangerously insane. Certainly not near the intrusiveness of the fed background checks or the requirements of a lot of other states. Its use doesn’t track when you buy, what you buy or even if you buy (plenty of FOID carriers without a gun, but have it just in case). There’s no registration or license involved.

        Sad, though, to think even the dinky Ruger 10/22 my 10 year old son put 200 rounds through yesterday (that’d be a good story for the FNS contest) would be an illegal assault weapon in NYC.

      • You were born scared. That’s why you think you need a gun with a 30 round clip in the first place. you were born a coward. Your gun was the only thing holding what passes for courage together. 300,000,000 guns, and you think anyone that EVER wants to get re-elected would do this kind of stupidity done to Americans? Don’t you ever think!?

        • Marc,
          It is time to be scared. Scared for our country and what the do-gooder libs want to do to people who don’t agree with them. Individuals are going to be attacked in their homes at night by 20-30 heavily armed men with full auto weapons looking for the opportunity to shoot a law abiding gun owner. They are doing it all the time right now so why should it change. A single 30 round mag may not be enough when the state comes for you.

        • Bravado is not courage. I’ve figured out you antigun nuts. You want to ensure that you can have carte blanche to spew offensive, inflammatory, insulting, accusatory blather and be protected from the well-justified wrath of those whom you scorn with such haughty self-righteousness.

          People like you make me want to throw up.

    • Free, huh. How’s that. Have you ever thought seriously about the concept of freedom. A free man wouldn’t have the state trying to impound his 22 because it holds ten rounds. Ironically, in Afghanistan, he wouldn’t have the government after him.
      This once was a free country, but I wouldn’t call it that now. Land of the free home of the brave has become land of decree and home of the slave.

      • “Land of the free home of the brave has become land of decree and home of the slave.”

        I am going to shamelessly plagiarize that statement as often as possible.

      • Anytime I hear the word, “allowed” or “permit”, I question that thing about freedom.
        We’ve come to think that freedom comes from obedience to the rules. That’s how it is in prison.
        But true total freedom has risks, including anarchy. So we live by the “rule of law”, assuming the laws are righteous and fair.
        It’s when our legislators cross the line, from working for us to working against us, that we will have to regroup and pose a challenge against our government(s).

        • When the laws are not Constitutional, we have no duty or obligation to obey them and those who are enforcing such non-laws are breaking their oaths and the Constitution, therefore, they have become criminals. Just like the elected and other appointed officials who do what they want, make up regulations, codes and non-laws that do not exist in agreement to the US Constitution/Bill of Rights. So if they want to order people surrender their weapons due to illegal laws, let them come and take the sh-t from your hands and stand up for your rights. Shoot the bastards dead and injure as many as you can until they either kill you or you can get out of there somehow safely and run until you can do something else. Either way, I’d rather die on my feet as a freeman than die on my knees begging for permission to have weapons and be free.

        • I teach that the Constitution and rule of law should be governed by the Principles of Respect, Independence, Stewardship and Self Government established by the unanimous Declaration, our Supreme founding document.

        • The public forgets (or never knew) that the Bill of Rights puts limits on the government, not us. The first five words of the first amendment sets the tone for the entire Bill of Rights. It doesn’t say what people “can” do; it says what the government must NOT do.

          Making a class of law-abiding citizens suddenly criminals, by decree, is much like making it illegal to be a Jew. Just like the Nazis were measuring people’s noses to see if they were Jews, the government in New York is measuring how many bullets fit into a magazine. http://j.mp/1nVLQe2 http://j.mp/1nVMesM

      • I’ve been going with “The land of free shit and the home of the slave.” Either one works, I suppose.

        • so dumb, and no one needs any more than 5 bullets unless they are a bank robber i agree with this law

        • Dear “Someone who has a brain”- have you ever actually held a gun? There aren’t any guns with magazines that hold less than 5. That was written to try to fool people. The “no more than 5” clause is the government’s way of banning them all. Hello… they just cited this guy for owning 22’s and called them assault rifles. In case you’re not familiar with 22’s, it’s what people use to shoot mice & squirrels. Wake up from your sleepwalk and stop repeating the lies of the government.

          • Lisa, You assume too much when you assume an anti – gunner is capable of original thought. They all claim reasonableness but emotion is the antithesis of reason and all anti – gun arguments are based upon emotion and have no basis in fact. The proof of this is self evident in that all the oath breakers use fear, that most basic emotion, to justify their violation of our civil rights.

        • @someone who has brains don’t move to Arizona because your dumb ass would be to scared to leave your house. I live in a land where you can walk down the street armed to the teeth like Rambo and walk into a bank and no one will say shit to you because its perfectly legal as long as their is no sign on the door saying no fire arms allowed inside. I have seen it done many of times. Hell I even saw a guy running on the tread mill with his hand gun strapped to him loaded and had 5 loaded 15 round magazines each. You don’t need a permit to carry open or conceal here. Welcome to the Wild West mother f*****! We don’t put up with liberal bullshit in my state!

      • Afghans are free to live in the 6th century, as long as they don’t support terrorist organizations who try to force the rest of the world to do so by murder. Remember, most Afghans were/are being murdered by their fellow muslims who have joined terrorist organizations. Wise up.

        • I know this is old, but I just have to say.

          Wow..

          Afghans and terrorism? Well citizen, who trained and armed the terrorists? Who radicalized them so they would fight against the Soviets?

          Hint, its the same country that overthrew the Iranian government, the same government that installed Saddam Hussein and sold him WMDs. USA USA USA

          • Muslims have been slaughtering each other since Mohammed’s death. We armed the afghans to be a pain in the ass to the soviets. its called provy wars. Our problem has been limp wristed democrat presidents, senators and congressmen who refuse to deal with a problem until its to late.

            • No, the root of the problem is the morphodite of bloodthirsty warmongerism and intractable busybodyism. “Gosh, the neighbors are fighting again. As my brother’s keeper, it’s my holy duty to go over and start shooting at them to make them stop. And while I’m at it I’ll make them arrange their household schedule to suit my agenda.”

              But that’s essentially the root of all of the problems that there have ever been.

              <mad metascientist rant>
              I’m on a mission from the Mother and Father of Manifestation (Divine Will and Body), and I’m here to tell the Universe that after approximately 14,000,000 years of intensive research into WTF, it has finally been revealed/determined that no, you are not your brother’s keeper. You are your own “keeper,” and your brother is your brother’s “keeper.”

              And, of course, the Mother is rightfully the one whose decision it is as to whether a particular spirit incarnates or not, depending on whether she feels like creating another new little will-body for it to possessanimate.
              </mad metascientist rant>

    • @ Orton Fallswell Free?!? Are you kidding me?!? We’ve lost more freedom and liberties since Clinton was President than I care to mention. Especially in the past 5 yrs since this foreign Muslim has been in the white house!

        • You call yourself “someone who has a brain.” Congratulations. How does it feel to have your brain up your ass?

        • Amazing at what? Enslaving the nation even ore? You ever fire a gun or serve in the military? If not, SHUT UP liberal shit for brains!

        • WHAAAAAAAT????? You’re kidding…..right? All he has done since usurping the office of President of the United States of America, is try to undermine the constitution and LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What fantasy world are you living in?

          • Obama has done nothing but assure the end of this nation as we know it. More people than ever are on food stamps
            and public assistance. Over half of the nation is now dependent on the gov’t for at least part of their income. Now
            everyone who has ever served in the military or supported the constitution has been declared by Obama to be the
            greatest threat to national security the country has ever known. We, the people, who raised our hands to affirm we will
            defend the Constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic are now public enemy number 1. I think its that
            enemy…..domestic that scares the shit out of Obama as those who actually served to protect the constitution and the
            American people are the ones who he fears the most. Why else would he allow the NSA and HMS to do what they
            have been doing.
            Look at what happened when the temp extra $7-11 dollar food stamp boost expired. People damned near rioted.
            That’s the small spank the gov’t wanted to give the people to show they could also take it all away. The average
            grocery store has 3 days of food available and the warehouses ditto. In 6 days if the Gov’t desired there would be no
            food and the cities of America would burn and the welfare society the democrats and RINO’s has encouraged will
            begin to come to the burbs to take what is theirs (so the gov’t says).
            In the end, like all parasitic infested animals, the host will die unless good people become politically active and either
            start a 3rd party or insist the republicans support real conservative candidates.
            In the mean time keep your powder dry and hide your guns. They will be needed later.

            • That is correct: a government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything you own. Many people are too stupid to know that, but I guess that’s on them. I for one will be here to defend The Constitution, my home and my loved ones. After all, my Bill of Rights says that I have the right to protect life, limb and property!!!!

        • Very true. I find myself routinely amazed. Now if only he were actually a GOOD president as well.

          • Yeah he’s been a great president alright, if you’re pro-communist, you MORON, It’s people like you that deserve whatever they dish out.

        • ~>Barry O…. is that you????? You really should stay outta these threads and stick to the ones discussing finger painting and nap time like you are used to.

          • Dan Mitchell says some Libertarians say the zero is useful – he’s waking up millions to the fact that the government can’t, and shouldn’t, be trusted.

        • “Amazing” is the right word for it. It’s amazing that people don’t understand what a president’s job is supposed to be (you can read it here: http://www.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4684 )

          It’s amazing that black people, a stunning 91% who voted for him, thought that they would all get free Obamaphones and free stuff, directly from Obama’s pockets. They were wrong. That is amazing.

          It’s amazing that he was re-elected by people who do not feel that showing proof of ID is necessary to exercise the right to vote. It’s amazing that he takes and publishes selfies. It’s amazing that he says the police acted stupidly when they arrested his soul brother in Cambridge who was breaking in to his own house. It’s amazing that he said that if he had a son he would look like the now-deceased Trayvon Martin. It’s amazing that your tax dollars are paying for his wife’s lavish vacations, this person who was never proud of this country before her vacations were all pre-paid. It’s amazing that we still have the right to say what we think on web sites like this without being called RACIST or that we “get bitter, they cling to guns or religion.”

          Amazing.

          • this useless piece of garbage may hold the office of president but he certainly isn’t a president…. He and his cronies (Pelosi, Reid, Clinton,) to name a few are running this country into the ground. Honesty in government ???? what a joke…. I feel sorry for you young people who are going to reap the harvest of this clown’s cabinet…

    • You guys from NY should be moving to New Hampshire we are holding the line with our gun rights. The more like minded folk move here and we can vote them out and make this a ‘2nd amendment refuge state’.

    • The restiction above is a NYC code. Has nothing to do with the safe act. NYC has had some of the toughest firarms law in the country for over 20 years. All the liberal attitudes down there are crazy and uniformed about crimes with weapons.

    • S.O.S. When the government first got here they gave the Native Americans trinkets and beads, took their lands and confined them to reservations. Now they give cell phones and food stamps and enslave them on the Democratic plantation. They need to start a war or confiscate the ability of the people to fight back. When I was a young man I often wondered how the people of Germany allowed their government to do all the horrible things hey did. We are about to witness those things with our own eyes. Will we have the courage of our fathers to stop it?

      • Most of the population won’t dare nay say the empire. They might get their welfare checks cut. Look at the moaning over $7’s a month. The rest of us have been labled enemy of the state because we are eith vet’s or have the nerve to actually work and support ourselves. Rome fell because to few romans (city of rome) actually worked and no one wanted to defend the reilm. Slothfulness and persuit of earthly pleasures were more important. Its whats currently hapening in the US.

      • Police state? do you even know what a police state is u moron? They tell you when to eat sleep and piss wtf are you on ? people like you are the reason these “United States” are so f—-ed up you need to pack your bags and go live in a police state . Better yet move to Ireland and see what a so called police state has done for the people

      • Carol,
        Its obvious you have never been to Afghanistan or any muslim country. Out right slavery and so called indentured servitude is wide spread.

    • You sir are an idiot if you seriously think you are in the land of the free….your liberties are being eroded everyday… You will be one of the idiots when the storm troopers kick in your door will stand there crying and asking “How did this happen ” ????????

  1. But they keep on telling us that nobody wants to take our guns away. This must be a hoax to foment unrest amongst the bitter clingers.

    • This looks like a NYC decree, not a product of the NYS SAFE Act. NYC has a 5 round limit where the NYS SAFE act generously allows 7 rounds. It’s Bloomberg trying to get one last f*ck in before moving on to being a bigger nuisance with more time on his hands. Eventually NYC decrees will leak out of Bloomberg’s toxic bubble and into the rest of the state.

      • Happens all the time. Folks in the rest of country don’t understand that New York State and New York City are not one in the same. Big difference in people and attitude between New York up by Canada or out in the farmlands by the finger lakes, and some shit hole in Brooklyn. That NYC from a legal standpoint generates its own laws separate and distinct from the State. Bloomberg has nearly absolute control over the 8 million people in his town.

        • Same goes for Chicago and the rest of Illinois, which they so kindly call “Downstate Illinois.” We Downstaters are so outnumbered, we have no voice. And we pay their taxes.

          • And we keep hearing this is the best system in the world. It sounds like NYC enslaves NY, Chicago insulates IL,and L.A. enslaves CA.

            It seems like things will get worse and worse.

        • South NJ is like that too. North NJ is like a different country than South NJ, and North NJ treats us like crap and they have most of the power in the state. North NJ also worships NYC and hates Philly while South NJ hates both NYC and Philly. In South NJ we call people from NYC the great unwashed.

        • even out west here in co. liberals in denver screw the rest of the red blooded mountain folk with laws we dont want. thats why we have already recalled at least two elected officials already and more recalls on the way.

          • Ditto here in MD. The liberals in Baltimore/and Annapolis force their liberal antigun agenda laws down the rest of the states throats. Almost all of the gun crime is in Baltimore

          • In Denver there is more pot dispensaries than Starbucks coffee houses. As long as the liberal freaks keep getting
            their dope they will keep electing these shitheads. The whole state needs to secede from Denver and not allow
            anyone to emigrate from Denver into the rest of the state unless they can prove they are a conservative.

      • Carol,
        Your right Obama and the democrats in NY haven’t started selling people YET. But there are many forms of slavery and all you have to do is look at any Islamic state and commie state. They just have a hell of a lot of them enslaved in welfare and food stamps and taxing the rest into submission. All while violating the constitutional rights of the rest. The corrupt gov’t officials will probably start by selling off body parts, they already have death panels so why not go ahead and see whats available to sell on the open market. You won’t need them soon anyway.

  2. Old news .In the 90’s ,California decided the SKS rifle was a registered AW and mailed out fliers to Mr. and Mrs. America to hand em in-or else.

    In that instance, the “or else” meant a denied drivers license renewal .

    • I can just hear that C.ee U. N.ext T.uesday fienslimes voice when you say mr and ms america and its creepy ha

    • Better have proof. Otherwise the boys in blue will be paying a visit. And by paying a visit I mean they’ll break your door down, hold you and your family at gunpoint, shoot your dog and search the entire house. And you better pray they don’t find anything, not even a spent casing.

      • Let’s see them do that to 100000 owners. Sooner or later something will go wrong. Then the bad news happens.

        • The storm troopers are out raiding homes in California. They recently doubled their budget. Pretty frightening. One home at a time.

      • they better pray I aint at home. let me die in a pile of brass because I will turn it all in 1 round at a time.

          • I wonder how the TeeVee nooz will spin it. Will we make whoever goes first a Martyr to the Cause?

            “He Died to Save our Guns!”

            • Rich, I’ve found, to anticipate the future look to the past. Consider how long it took media to start to cover the black on white crime spree thats been going on for 2 years and even now they are in denial about its true nature. Whatever comes to pass with regards to firearms confiscation will most likely never be accurately reported no matter how many law abiding gun owners end up dying for the common good.

  3. I do not know why anyone is surprised. Wait until January 1st and see what CT does as well.

    There is no other reason for registration and all the reasons I have heard from politicians are just BS. For example, if you are going in to serve a warrant as an officer do you not already assume the person is armed and dangerous or you count on a registry that you know is more than likely wrong?

    All stupid excuses for the unthinking masses that cannot think or read beyond a headline.

    This will not end until some people end up dead and then the courts will hopefully decide for the 2nd amendment. I will blame Obama for his continued policy to divide the country and to give false hope and make believe change. At current trend, he will not be happy until Israel is destroyed as well and we may be screwed in the Pacific sending an inexperience ambassador to fend off the Chinese. Nothing this president has done will end well.

    • It’s really a double-registry, since any guns bought retail were already registered.

      I have got to buy some vacation property in NH or PA.

      • I don’t know how long PA will be a safe haven. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh voters can be relied upon to vote for the biggest lefty stooges in the election. If you can believe it, 59 districts in Philadelphia voted unanimously for Obama, with not a single vote for Romney.

    • Didn’t you know that most folks, including many here, believe that The Law is sacred? It is a sin to break The Law, and if you don’t like it, your only option is to work within The System to change The Law.

      • the only laws that are sacred are gods laws most state and federal laws are put in place for the profit and gain of the government

    • Well, as a whole we are law abiding, law respecting citizens here, so I dont think name calling would be fitting for those who choose to stay in NY and give in to the bullshit. But at what point does a law become unlawful and invalid?

    • I would say patriot! A .22 should never be recalled. Or any gun for that matter. Rise up and vote out the idiots and don’t turn in that gun!.

      • How do you vote them out when you are the minority in a population that simply will not pull their heads out of the sand. People always say “vote them out,” but how do you do that in a losing battlefield like NY. I can’t say I know the answer, but I’m sure the people there have tried to vote them out, and it’s only gotten worse. Sure keep voting, fight the statists on all fronts, but I don’t think that only working within the current system is going to work moving forward. We can’t keep beating our heads against the same wall.

        • I agree with Evan. Majority of New York City dwellers are sheep and they are proud to be so. They are ignorant and know nothing outside their own slavery. You cannot vote anyone out in this situation. The solution is the rest of New York to separate from NYC. Again the ability to do this likely does not rest with voting. This is really not a comfortable solution to the rest of New York so the only real solution is to evacuate oneself from the horde to a different state.

        • You vote them out or move.

          Better yet, change the game, just like they do. A minority of all voters got 2 senators recalled in Colorado.
          The people who are voted in need to be held accountable for their false representation of their constituency and to the Constitution.

          If not now, when?

        • Vote them out of office in NYC? And who’s going to do that? They just elected a Democrat for mayor, so expect things to get worse, not better.

        • What is funny is that, thanks to the Sullivan Act, NYC is free to ignore the rest of the state when it comes to gun laws. So an upstate gun owner who goes through the hoops to get a carry permit cannot carry in NYC. And yet someone with a NYC carry permit can carry anywhere in the state, and the laws established by the five boroughs (like the Safe Act) are burdened on everyone.

          Some are more equal than others.

        • Read “Atlas Shrugged”.

          If they hold all the political cards and you cannot vote them out at the ballot box you must vote with your feet. All the productive citizens must vote in the most effective way – Go Galt! Once a government has become this corrupt the only solution is to STOP SUPPORTING THEM and remove yourself from any activity that provides aid, comfort and tax support for that government.

          When you are outnumbered by the “Moochers” you have no possibility through democratic elections of overcoming the altruist politicians who confiscate your productivity and hand it out to non-producers in order to buy their votes and retain power. Only when you shrug off that load will you be free and that corrupt civilization implode.

      • The majority of NYC voters, upon seeing a SWAT team invade a house and kill a gun owner who has an “arsenal” of illegal guns, will say, “Good! I fell safer now.”.

        How do you overcome that at the ballot box?

        • Here’s my fervent prayer: Deblasio makes things so bad in the Gulag that so many people leave that the number of communist representatives in state government goes down. After that we have to get all the non – semi gun owners in the state to understand that their liberty is under attack too. Btw you bow hunters – it’s your battle too.

        • More like “The cops just raided that nice guy next door – the one who never bothered anybody and shoveled old Mrs. Clancy’s sidewalk and stoop every Winter. That’s BS. F*** THEM!”

    • Unlikely, Leonard. However, I will be glad to keep calling you an “idiot”, a “narcissist”, and just plain “asking for it.”

      Your ridiculous trolling is usually slightly more subtle than this.

  4. 5 round limit? I thought the limit was 7. Do they even make any modern semi-automatics that hold only 5 rounds?

  5. It seems like the requirement to submit a statement of where the firearms will be stored outside of NYC would be a violation of 4A.

    Additionally, wouldn’t the burden of proof reside with the state? I don’t have to prove that I’m in compliance with the law, the state must prove that I’ve broken it.

    • This sounds right. Also, there is a very big difference between receiving a letter in the mail and having the police knock on your door. I’m wondering how far the nanny state will take it.

    • I agree, it would sort of be like being stopped on the street and the authorities checking your “papers” to make sure you’re not the wrong ethnic group or something.

    • Not that they give a shit about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, but just responding to this form is an obvious violation of your Fifth Amendment right: “…nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself…”

  6. I thought the SAFE Act addressed the magazines, not the firearms? Those firearms can be loaded with a magazine of various capacities, some 5-or-under and some 6-or-over. Isn’t the correct remedy (compliant with Bloomberg’s fevered dreams) to surrender the 6-or-over magazines? Why is the justification for coming after the firearms?

    • Because it isn’t really about the magazines. They don’t want you to have it period so if they use the excuse, “well it could accept a larger capacity magazine,” it gets one more gun out of the hands of law abiding citizens. It puts them closer to their goal of complete disarmament.

  7. I’m confused. I don’t know much about the NY SAFE Act, but it appears that this person has to remove his rifles from the “gun free” zone of NYC. So, he can store them at a relative’s house one mile outside of the city limits and this would be okay? Is there a carve out in the Act regarding NYC? How does this make sense?

    • “How does this make sense?”

      It doesn’t. That’s what everyone here has been pointing out. And which seems to be lost on NYC and Albany. And a few other state legislatures.

    • The letter is a NYC generated letter, referencing NYC laws–not the SAFE Act. The referenced guns are allowed by the SAFE Act but not NYC law. NYC has no carveout–just a few additional layers of restrictions. So he can take them out of NYC and store them elsewhere in the state. I know, it’s hard to believe there are more restrictive laws than the statewide SAFE Act.

      • What you say about NYC and not SAFE act is absolutely true, but if NYC/Bloomberg get away with this what are the odds that Albany will attempt a similar move?

  8. How about F U. This is exactly why we don’t want registration. Are you serious… a .22 is a kids plinking gun not a terror tool! Fing idiots.

    • As President Ronald Reagan once famously said; «Well», to which I will add; crazy persons can kill a lot of people with just about any type of gun. Like this kid, he shot and killed 15 people with a bolt action .22lr.

    • Yeahhhh… I get what you’re saying, but a .22 is plenty lethal. Might take longer to die from it, but it’ll kill ya.

    • I don’t believe my opinion on the Second Amendment or Constitutional Carry is a secret here, and so I agree with your comment, however, from a purely tactical standpoint do you think a person on the receiving end of ANY gunfire knows or cares if it is .22 LR? It’s INCOMING and that’s what matters. Some rounds we all know are ore lethal than others, but if they are coming at your face are you going to react much differently if they are .22 or 5.56? Either round can and will kill you or at least put you out of the fight.

      Which would you rather face – A .22 LR Calico with a 100 round magazine or a 12 gauge pump with 5 rounds? Correct answer is NEITHER ONE, but I bet the Calico will keep your head down a lot more effectively, even with body armor.

    • No good. As far as this letter is concerned, if you don’t have a paper trail attesting otherwise, they’re assuming you still have the gun. Better make sure it fell in a really deep lake.

      • “The firearms you’re looking for are in storage in a location where they are legal. Try to prove otherwise…”

    • Voting is important absolutely but the scary thing about this type of thing is it seems RKBA supporters are the minority in ny.

      Voting won’t protect the rights of minorities which is why we have a bill of rights and legal system that should be in place to protect those rights.

      I’m not saying we shouldn’t vote but just that loosing elections is not where rights like the RKBA are lost.

      • Voting is good, but you also have to MAKE A LOT OF NOISE – out-shout your opponents. Look at the grabbers’ tactics: demonize guns and gun owners using the media megaphone. Indoctrinate the sheeple. Wage sticker war in the subway. Get creative.

        • Voting is not the answer. We don’t need to vote about this. We already have the 2nd amendment; the law is already on our side and its wording could not be any clearer. What’s voting going to do?

          The only course left is to spit in the faces of tyrants and dare them to molon labe.

  9. It’s New York. When the police come, they’ll obediently hand them over. Then they’ll be arrested and charged with a felony, thus losing the right to vote – because we all know that the Founding Fathers specifically said that if you do anything to annoy politicians, you lose all of your rights. How did that line go in the Declaration of Independence? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that some men are created equal, and that the lesser men are endowed by their Rulers with certain limited Privileges…” Right?

    • I know some in NYC are decent, but NYC just elected an open, un-apologetic communist as Mayor, with more than 70% of the vote. I didn’t think it would be possible to do worse than Bloomy, but somehow they pulled it off. So, yes, I agree that people will meekly comply. For the most part, they deserve everything they get. Screw NYC.

      • Bloomy was always by far the best of a miserable slate of candidates. Now it is going to get much, much worse.

      • “NYC just elected an open, un-apologetic communist as Mayor, with more than 70% of the vote.”

        When the government has the ability to confiscate wealth in the form of taxes from the 30% of producers and give it away to the 70% non-producers in return for their political support, and every man’s vote is yet equal, the producers become slaves to the state and the support of the non-productive.

        It would be political suicide to allow that 30% to own effective arms to resist this tyranny.

        Who is John Galt?

  10. A wise man once said, “Git yer ass to Texas!”

    On a more serious note, mark this day and watch the numbers for violent crime. Assuming they report truthfully and don’t skew the data (as they’re wont to do), violent crime in NYC will skyrocket and the upward trend on the graph will begin in November, 2013.

    • A wiser man once said, “Look at all the articles about Texas not being nearly as gun-friendly as the media portrays it. Get your ass to Arizona or the Mid-West (just not Illinois)”.

      • There are certainly more gun friendly places, but one thing Texas has is consistency. Yes, a lot of RINOs get elected, but we have lighter business regs that are consistent(very important) and gun laws that aren’t likely to get worse, but are slow to get better(knock on wood). Our biggest problem is the influx of lefties from the northeast and California that come here for better opportunities, and bring their bad ideas with them thinking, “if we just do it better this time.” we also have a problem with the Anglo republican population who consistently drives the immigrant population into the arms of the democrats. It doesnt help that the democrats Also tell them that the republicans will send them and their families back to Mexico if they get elected(false propaganda during elections).

      • No!… please go to Texas. Leave Arizona out of this. We have all we can handle dealing with the folks fleeing California and bringing their liberal politics here. We don’t need an influx of New Yorkers that are even more liberal coming here. They’ve lived under the nanny state for so long they no longer recognize what freedom is and just plain can’t believe that the government “cares so little” for it’s citizens out here. We kinda prefer it and would like to keep it that way. So please stay away…

        • @DrVino

          I’d wager that’s because a growing number of people are libertarians, thus they do not claim to be “conservative” if asked, because they do not agree with the big government / legislating religion policies of the Republican party.

        • To all of those Red states that are fearful of liberal immigrant take-over, you need to push for amendment to your state constitutions before the Libs can oppose you! Push this amendment:

          1. No state agency or branch of government may disburse funds from the public treasury, from whatever source derived, except in payment for services rendered at rates commensurate with such services available to the private sector.

          2. Due to obvious conflict of interest, no person receiving more than 25% of their monthly income from state government funds is eligible to vote in any state-wide election, except for the President and vice-president of the United States and federal Senators and Congressmen, so long as this condition persists.

          Given that amendment no Liberal legislature could use tax dollars to buy liberal or crony-capitalist votes and subvert the intent of the constitution(s).

        • Funny, I would think you’d welcome a New Yorker who wanted to relocate. If I was thinking about leaving NY to go somewhere else it would be because I didn’t agree with the liberal BS here. Which means I probably have a lot of the same political beliefs that you do.

        • “I would think you’d welcome a New Yorker who wanted to relocate”

          Not really. Experience is that they flee a Blue City over one issue, not over the Marxist ideology. They move to a Red State and start peddling the same crap that destroyed their city.

      • In the even of attempting to force those bastards out of OUR country, the U.S. dollar will become a liability. Save precious metals, in small denominations, somewhere that you can access in any emergency.

        Also stock cheap whiskey for barter and for use in case we lose.

  11. I wonder who the first person to be charged with failure to comply will be. I hope it happens soon, for the sooner someone is charged the sooner this assinine law can be brought to the courts.

  12. Because a bolt action 22LR is so deadly.

    What did the pro gun control people say…

    “No one is trying to take your guns, repeat, no one is trying to take your guns – we just want common sense gun restrictions”

  13. This doesn’t seem to be a SAFE Act related letter. NYC has much different gun laws than NYS (I’m saying this as a gun owner who lives in NYC). In NYC long guns can only have 5 round magazine capacities. We’ve also had an “assault weapons” ban since 1991 (with a 1 feature requirement).

    I recently bought a Remington 870 and got a ration of shit from the Kew Gardens’ Rifle/Shotgun division because the receipt didn’t clearly show the magazine capacity.

    What the person who got this letter can do is try to find 5 rnd magazines for these rifles, show the Kew Gardens folks the receipts and they should be fine. Don’t bring it to the 1 Police Plaza license division in Manhattan, though, because they only deal with pistol licenses.

    Would any TTAG readers be interested in reading a post about what it’s like to be a firearms owner in NYC? If so (and if it’s ok with Robert and co.) I could write something up.

  14. I was suddenly hearing German military marches and the sound of jackboots in my head as I read the notice. No, really.

  15. I did a little digging, and found the law in question:

    http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ADC/10/3/10-306

    Now, I only gave it a cursory glance, but as I read it only magazines of more than 5 rounds are prohibited.

    b. No person may possess an ammunition feeding device which is
    designed for use in a rifle or shotgun and which is capable of holding
    more than five rounds of rifle or shotgun ammunition, unless such person
    is exempt from subdivision a of section 10-303.1 pursuant to section
    10-305, provided that a dealer in rifles and shotguns may possess such
    ammunition feeding devices for the purpose of disposition authorized
    pursuant to subdivision a of this section.

    Ammunition “feeding device”…not the firearm itself. Am I missing something, here?

    Also, further in they make an exception for film crew. Because, you know…priorities.

    • Well there HAS to be an exception for film crews since we all know that every firearm used in a movie or television production is capable of firing 100 times before reloading.

  16. Just reading that letter sends a chills down my back and deep into my soul. I know these things happen, but to see that letter… I don’t even know how else to respond. Someday, sadly, uncivil disobedience may become the only recourse to a government out of control.

    • I’ve been seeing it on website but I wish there was a source attached. Anyone can mock up a letter.

      Now, given it’s NYC, I don’t really doubt its validity. After all, going after legal gun owners is much more important that stopping gangs. But having a name attached would have been better.

      • I am the original poster of this letter, which was lifted off of a FaceBook group I posted this on without my knowledge nor expressed permission, as it was received by my friend who chooses to have his name, address, and firearms serial numbers private for his own piece of mind and protection. Trust me when I say that it’s a real letter from the NYPD Pistol/Rifle Licensing Unit in Kew Gardens, Queens accompanied by another letter with the official NYPD seal which I did not include because it’s a typical canned letter stating NYC’s penal codes on firearms ownership.

  17. When the gun control supporters question why us law-abiding citizens think that their agendas will lead to confiscation, we need only point at this and at what’s happening in California and say, “Because you’re full of SHIT.”

    Unfortunately, moments like this are a good sign that you have passed the point of no return in the fight–that working within the system to change it so that it doesn’t violate your natural rights is no longer possible, because the system will not allow it. Your only real options are to submit to the oppression of your rights, resist and be thrown in jail or killed, or leave. Right now, within the U.S., it is possible (albeit financially difficult) to take the third option and move to a more rights-friendly state. But if the gun control machine continually overtakes our state legislatures as they’ve done in CA, CO, CT, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, and HI, eventually there will be nowhere to run to, and we will be left with two very painful choices–resist, or surrender our liberties forever.

    Let’s make sure we don’t get to that point, and work within the system where we can, while it’s still possible.

    • You forgot the option of resist and win. Let’s not be defeatist when it comes to the actual fight for liberty.

        • Are you so completely devoid of creativity that all you can endorse is sedition? There are other, non-violent ways. We use violence, we lose. Simple calculus. Your ragtag guerilla group is going to strike from and hide where exactly? How do you propose to fight armor, infantry, and tactical air with satellite reconnaissance? Use your AK to shoot them out of the sky?

          All you’re doing is giving the antis more quotes. Grow up and use your head for a change. Life is NOT a video game or a reality show.

        • I understand the “States Rights” issue of the Confederacy, as much as I abhor the concept of slavery, but any rational person should have seen that the South was a mostly agrarian society wholly dependent on the labor of an unwilling, inefficient and expensive workforce to sustain their economy. Except for a miracle leading to capitulation by the North they had little chance of succeeding in any war of attrition, which did in fact destroy them in the end.

          In any future such conflict is unlikely that the economic lines will be so clearly diverse and so the outcome remains in doubt. Of more concern is the state of the world political situation when the stabilizing influence of The United States of America is removed from the equation. This conflict is about freedom and liberty here and what that means to the world, not just to Americans.

    • But if the gun control machine continually overtakes our state legislatures as they’ve done in CA, CO, CT, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NY, RI, and HI, eventually there will be nowhere to run to, and we will be left with two very painful choices–resist, or surrender our liberties forever.

      I agree. Some states will continue to resist the push for gun control (I thought CO would be one of them, so much for that), but in the end I suspect massive gun control will be passed. It won’t happen tomorrow, or even in the next 5 to 10 years….I think it’s inevitable, just as I suspect we’ll also go in to full-blown Euro-socialism sometime in the next 25 to 50 years.

      • Not if the money runs out.

        Tyranny precipitates its own collapse by doubling down on the expensive apparatus of oppression. Happened to the Bourbons, happened to the Romanovs, happened to George III. The Soviet Union, Rome…

        We’re already in full-on currency debasement mode, which, historically, is the last gasp of empire.

        • Your mention of empire strikes a chord with me. I just got introduced to the concept that the United states is an empire and not an nation. It makes a whole lot of what goes on in DC a lot more understandable and explains why both Democrats and Republicans are attacking conservatives: the ruling elite can not tolerate challenges to its authority.

        • What Michael G says above is interesting. The ruling elite in Washington and the tyrannical city-states no longer view America as a republic created by and subject to the will of the member States according to the limitations of the Constitution, they consider America to be an empire of 50 states ruled by Washington D.C. We are witnessing the worst nightmare of the Founding Fathers.

          Gives more insight into Limbaugh’s use of the term “Obama Regime.”

      • Maybe. Maybe not. Obamacare might be the wake-up call we needed. It’s a shame it had to be so painful, but I’m more optimistic these days. I think the Progs overreached badly.

    • Yup…God forbid they have pistol grips, folding stocks, or thumbhole stocks

      and forget about those bayonet lugs or those ever so popular “grenade launchers” that we all yearn to mount on our rifles…LOL

  18. The Glenfield Model 20 (the one with the squirrel on the stock) that I got when I turned 13 uses 7 round magazines.

  19. 1.) A nasty letter in the mail is not Due Process.

    2.) If shotguns can have simple plastic dohickies in them to limit capacity (ie. 3 rounds for hunting) then why not install some aftermarket dohickie to limit capacity to 5? Problem solved.

    • Nor is some obscure paperwork trail probable cause for a search warrant nor a blatantly unconstitutional law grounds for confiscation of personal property.

      Mechanical compliance with an unconstitutional law is not “Problem solved” since the problem they are trying to solve is not and has never been magazine capacity, it’s about the guns themselves, and they will NOT be satisfied until that problem is solved.

    • I am the original poster of this letter received by my friend who owns these rifles and what you stated is exactly what he will be doing with his rifles…having a gunsmith modify the magazines permanently limiting them to only 5 round capacities.

  20. God! Am I the only one that this seems like another phony TTAG post? I mean honestly, 5 rounds of .22? It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that TTAG reported false rumors as the truth. I will wait until I see it somewhere else before I get excited about it. However, you people go ahead and write with your outrage. The advertisers love that!

    Oh, don’t forget that TTGA is the source that told us NYS was outlawing lever and pump firearms and that Bank of America has an anti-gun policy. Anything for more hits! This is NOT a reliable source of news. They may even be correct about this incident, I don’t know. I do know enough not to trust the source.

    • Jim B,

      TTAG in my experience does not purposely post anything bogus. A quick google search would have brought you to this:

      http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/ny_safe_act_letter_re_lcafd_2013_05_v9.pdf

      This is straight from the NYC gov. It clearly outlines that rifles and shotguns over 5 rounds are illegal:

      “Rifles and shotguns have a separate rule in New York City that was not affected by the NY SAFE Act. As per New York City Administrative Code 10-306(b) rifles and shotguns in New York City cannot have feeding devices capable of holding more than (5) rounds.”

      It clearly outlines the gunsmith modifications:

      “In a situation where a permit holder believes the weapon can be modified to be in compliance, the permit holder may request to place the gun in the possession of a licensed gunsmith for modification and certification of compliance, rather than surrendering the gun. If permission is granted, proof that the gun was immediately placed in the possession of a gunsmith will be required.”

      Anything else Jim?

      ” I will wait until I see it somewhere else before I get excited about it.”

      Great activism there Jim.

      • Could be the letter recipient was turned in by ex-wife or disenchanted girlfriend etc, looking for a reward. NY has a rat-on-a-neighbor—get-a-check program.

        • No Bill…I happen to know the person who received this letter and he is happily married, so stop with your moronic speculations. The only explanation here is that his name and number came up with the NYPD in their attempt to crack down on those in “violation” of NYC’s long gun magazine capacity laws.