New York’s SAFE Act is a bad, bad thing. It requires people to register, sell or transfer (out of state) “assault rifles” and “high capacity” magazines. Many Empire State gun and standard capacity ammunition magazine owners have complied. Many have not. So, at some point, the State’s gonna go get ’em. People on both sides of the law enforcement divide will die and the s will hit the fan. Meanwhile, there it is: the reason why expanded background checks, indeed all background checks and any type of registration, set the stage for confiscation. And tyranny. [ED: This notice was sent for New York City residents, based on New York City laws, not necessarily SAFE Act provisions.] [h/t DrVino]
So 16 years in prison for owning plants, guns and ammo. THAT is what is scary
Same issue for people that move near the airpoort and complain about the noise. One of our crazy mayors in a nearby large city suggested that only deaf people buy houses near the airport. Yep and he had other issues of assault also.
At least we live in the land of the free, unlike those poor slobs in Afghanistan.
That letter represents no freedoms. 3 .22s and dude gets a threatening letter from the guvmint? Wrong-o. Time to be moving to… Anywhere else. Except New Jersey. And California. And Illinois. And… I just got a little scared.
Free, huh. How’s that. Have you ever thought seriously about the concept of freedom. A free man wouldn’t have the state trying to impound his 22 because it holds ten rounds. Ironically, in Afghanistan, he wouldn’t have the government after him.
This once was a free country, but I wouldn’t call it that now. Land of the free home of the brave has become land of decree and home of the slave.
“Land of the free home of the brave has become land of decree and home of the slave.”
I am going to shamelessly plagiarize that statement as often as possible.
The poor slobs in Afghanistan are guarding poppie fields and being used.
@ Orton Fallswell Free?!? Are you kidding me?!? We’ve lost more freedom and liberties since Clinton was President than I care to mention. Especially in the past 5 yrs since this foreign Muslim has been in the white house!
A police state is a small price to pay for living in a free country.
But they keep on telling us that nobody wants to take our guns away. This must be a hoax to foment unrest amongst the bitter clingers.
Very sad, if you havent left the slave state of NY yet, do so now. You dont live in a free country.
This looks like a NYC decree, not a product of the NYS SAFE Act. NYC has a 5 round limit where the NYS SAFE act generously allows 7 rounds. It’s Bloomberg trying to get one last f*ck in before moving on to being a bigger nuisance with more time on his hands. Eventually NYC decrees will leak out of Bloomberg’s toxic bubble and into the rest of the state.
Happens all the time. Folks in the rest of country don’t understand that New York State and New York City are not one in the same. Big difference in people and attitude between New York up by Canada or out in the farmlands by the finger lakes, and some shit hole in Brooklyn. That NYC from a legal standpoint generates its own laws separate and distinct from the State. Bloomberg has nearly absolute control over the 8 million people in his town.
Hope he gives em more than 5 when they come.
Firearms? Nope, I sold them all. Honest…
Better have proof. Otherwise the boys in blue will be paying a visit. And by paying a visit I mean they’ll break your door down, hold you and your family at gunpoint, shoot your dog and search the entire house. And you better pray they don’t find anything, not even a spent casing.
Soviets took out German tanks with bottles of gasoline. These things are not impregnable and they require outside support to protect them. However it does appear the police state is extremely paranoid.
Bet ya that this will be one of the SAFEST schools in the nation.
My Kel-Tec P3AT is horrible. Failure to eject, no matter what ammo I use. I would only recommend this gun to my worst enemy. At the range I have to use a small wood dow rod to clear out empty brass from the chamber. The gun is totally UNreliable. I have put at least 400 rounds through the gun and can never get the gun to eject all rounds in the magazine. What a waste of money! If you want a good reliable .380, I recommend the Walther PK380. It actually works!
The big question is will TTAG proclaim that these people who did not obey the law and register their guns as “idiots”, “narcissists”, or “asking for it”.
Didn’t you know that most folks, including many here, believe that The Law is sacred? It is a sin to break The Law, and if you don’t like it, your only option is to work within The System to change The Law.
Well, as a whole we are law abiding, law respecting citizens here, so I dont think name calling would be fitting for those who choose to stay in NY and give in to the bullshit. But at what point does a law become unlawful and invalid?
5 round limit? I thought the limit was 7. Do they even make any modern semi-automatics that hold only 5 rounds?
Well for hunting rifles there are plenty of semi auto rifles with 5 rnd internal magazines etc. But almost ANY pump shotgun can hold 5 or more rounds with a tube extension, so who knows
Forget semi autos, I can and have squeezed 6 in the tube of my 336. Its not detachable, but it’s not hard to see the grabbers making the leap.
It seems like the requirement to submit a statement of where the firearms will be stored outside of NYC would be a violation of 4A.
Additionally, wouldn’t the burden of proof reside with the state? I don’t have to prove that I’m in compliance with the law, the state must prove that I’ve broken it.
This sounds right. Also, there is a very big difference between receiving a letter in the mail and having the police knock on your door. I’m wondering how far the nanny state will take it.
“If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Heard that somewhere…
How about F U. This is exactly why we don’t want registration. Are you serious… a .22 is a kids plinking gun not a terror tool! Fing idiots.
Yeahhhh… I get what you’re saying, but a .22 is plenty lethal. Might take longer to die from it, but it’ll kill ya.
Isn’t this when everybody claims to have lost their non-compliant firearms in boating accidents?
the .22 LR, weapon of terror!
vote..dag nab it…vote it won’t help with the present issue but may be future issues
On one hand I can understand the philosophy of leaving your weapons behind when you walk into a house of God. Jesus rejected the temptation to take up arms against the Romans – he would have been made king if he hadn’t. His was a message of peace. But Peter on the other hand carried a sword and they tend to be a little hard to conceal so I have no doubt Jesus knew he was walking with armed men. Yes he rebuked Peter for cutting the ear off the Roman soldier, but he had been preaching all night that it was time for him to be handed over to the Romans and Peter obviously hadn’t been paying attention. If Jesus had an issue with carrying arms he would have rebuked him long before. So I don’t see a Christian argument against carry. But then Jesus also drank to the point of being branded a drunkard by his enemies, yet some churches think they know better than Jesus on that one too.
For the record, Peter cut off the ear of “the light bearer”, not a Roman soldier.
“The light bearer” is a clear analogy/reference to satan (aka. Lucifer), as the scene is a re-creation of the temptation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Eve “attacked” Lucifer’s ear (she spoke) and Adam remained silent. Jesus, the new Adam, rebukes Peter for the ear attack and steps forward, fulfilling the proper role of protector… all of it taking place in the Garden of Gethsemane.
My favorite Jesus quote is John 8:32:
“Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Freedom is my Worship Word!
— Star Trek: Omega Glory 24:00
Fugly, but because it’s HK, people will be slobbering all over it.
Looks more like a device to lose some fingers and an eyebrow than a firearm to me. Ain’t no cure for stupid.
My first reaction is it looks like it came out of a sci-fi movie.
Because a bolt action 22LR is so deadly.
What did the pro gun control people say…
“No one is trying to take your guns, repeat, no one is trying to take your guns – we just want common sense gun restrictions”
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Zomg its an HK!!! Nope still not interested. Ready for their bankruptcy announcement.
This is one of those times where I really didn’t want to say “I told you so”….
I buy HK just to piss everyone off.
I was suddenly hearing German military marches and the sound of jackboots in my head as I read the notice. No, really.
No one’s coming for your guns. Until they do.
Just reading that letter sends a chills down my back and deep into my soul. I know these things happen, but to see that letter… I don’t even know how else to respond. Someday, sadly, uncivil disobedience may become the only recourse to a government out of control.
I have not owned any HK rifles, but their handguns are fantastic. There is no other handgun I would trust to go to war with than the HK45 or P30 (the sig P226 a close second). In my experience much of the hate comes from anger and frustration that the high cost makes it prohibitive to purchase for most people. Unfortunately, extensive R&D and quality control/testing isn’t cheap.
i don’t have an issue with the pistol cost i understand that quality costs money. but the Mr556 was way over the top it is a nice piece but everyone really wanted a HK416. HK is still my go to piece in the LGS
Always disappointed when I see a potshot taken at someone else’s right by a person in the gun community. It doesn’t relate to the article in any way – it makes the author less credible by introducing unrelated bias – and is flat out offensive. Thanks for striking a blow against religion in the name of logic loving gun owners everywhere. /sarcasm off
Couldn’t they make it more ugly?
Custom 2×4 stock and an oil can suppressor?
Wait for a mall ninja to get one and then the ‘more ugly’ with begin.
Bolt action .22s are the new Thompson SMG.
So, this guys sits down, the gun in his pocket goes off, the bullet lodges in the floor but the shell manages to espcape the pocket, hit a lady, break into pieces and one of those pieces hits another lady?
Wow, Oswald’s “magic bullet” has finally met its match!
What advantages does this offer over HK’s 416/MR556?
The only advantage I can see is the lack of a buffer tube.
1.) A nasty letter in the mail is not Due Process.
2.) If shotguns can have simple plastic dohickies in them to limit capacity (ie. 3 rounds for hunting) then why not install some aftermarket dohickie to limit capacity to 5? Problem solved.
HK needs to make semi auto MP5 clones in the USA for big $$$$
Price them at $1000 and they will sell truckloads of them. Seriously they should create a factory here in the states that does the final assembly needed and just crank the suckers out.
Easy way to dig out of bankruptcy. So it will never happen.
God! Am I the only one that this seems like another phony TTAG post? I mean honestly, 5 rounds of .22? It certainly wouldn’t be the first time that TTAG reported false rumors as the truth. I will wait until I see it somewhere else before I get excited about it. However, you people go ahead and write with your outrage. The advertisers love that!
Oh, don’t forget that TTGA is the source that told us NYS was outlawing lever and pump firearms and that Bank of America has an anti-gun policy. Anything for more hits! This is NOT a reliable source of news. They may even be correct about this incident, I don’t know. I do know enough not to trust the source.
Jim B,
TTAG in my experience does not purposely post anything bogus. A quick google search would have brought you to this:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/permits/ny_safe_act_letter_re_lcafd_2013_05_v9.pdf
This is straight from the NYC gov. It clearly outlines that rifles and shotguns over 5 rounds are illegal:
“Rifles and shotguns have a separate rule in New York City that was not affected by the NY SAFE Act. As per New York City Administrative Code 10-306(b) rifles and shotguns in New York City cannot have feeding devices capable of holding more than (5) rounds.”
It clearly outlines the gunsmith modifications:
“In a situation where a permit holder believes the weapon can be modified to be in compliance, the permit holder may request to place the gun in the possession of a licensed gunsmith for modification and certification of compliance, rather than surrendering the gun. If permission is granted, proof that the gun was immediately placed in the possession of a gunsmith will be required.”
Anything else Jim?
” I will wait until I see it somewhere else before I get excited about it.”
Great activism there Jim.
Could be the letter recipient was turned in by ex-wife or disenchanted girlfriend etc, looking for a reward. NY has a rat-on-a-neighbor—get-a-check program.
I noticed while browsing the pictures that for an illegal, surreptitious activity there were a few decent groups there.
I bet every politician in NY gets a copy of “Mein Kampf” signed by Bloomberg and
Obama for Christmas this year.
It’s NYC, I’m disgusted, but not shocked… So, how’s that registration workin’ out for yah?
looks like H&K might actually be forced to arms to civilians due its shitty financial situation that was probably brouhgt on by not taking full advantage of the HUGE civilian market. kinda funny.
I still think HK doesnt like the 2nd amendment , so i refuse to buy any of their overpriced products from them out of spite and patriotism.
Right, HK doesn’t support the 2nd amendment because of German export and our own import laws.
Stop with this nonsense.
Could IWI please smack them in the face and pull the contract on importing the Jericho as the “Baby Eagle”?
Don’t like their stuff. It’s well made but not that comfortable to shoot. Also, their pistol mags are low capacity and a horrible ripoff.
You are right about the mags hard to get and too expensive with long wait times you would think they were smart enough to realize how much they could make off of magazines if they would just make them available
1jx-88z4-vluo
Gun rights are civil rights!
Gun control was first used by Democrats to deny black people their civil rights.
Gun control is racist.
Black people suffer the most because of gun control.
Wake up people!
I go to one of the biggest churches in North Idaho. I asked one of our executive pastors what our churches gun policy was. He said they have no problem with it and if they did enact a no guns policy they would probably lose half the membership. I later found out from his wife that they both have ccw’s.
I love my church even more now!
A 3″ barrel 1911 produced by a company with questionable QC standards? Er…nope.
Or spend the same amount and get a Kimber Ultra Carry
I’m waiting for the North American Arms Ultra-Mini .22 Short 1911.
Now that would be a neat little pea shooter. I’d buy one for kicks and giggles.
“… Who will be next?”
Chickenpooper!
We want to provide a safe environment for people, no guns allowed.
Isn’t that an oxymoron?
Some people can rezly oitsmart themselves.
For anyone that’s interested, it’s the current topic on Denver’s talk radio AM station in the 10 AM MST hour. You can listen live at:
http://www.koaradio.com
I am not surprised. Undoubtedly she was called into a meeting and given two choices. Lose the recall and with it any chance of a cushy no work high pay job. Or resign and be given said job. She chose wisely.
Almost all of us are tired of thugs who steal from us and threaten our families and we are tempted to take care of that problem our self’s.
But unless it is really about my own life or someones I love, I would always try to opt for a solution that does not involve me using a gun on someone.
The legal and mental ramifications are just not worth it.
Therefore, warning shots are nonsense. You try not to get into a situation where you have to use your gun in the first place or if you must, or forced to, you shoot to defend, that means kill in the most cases.
In the above case, Mr. Smith could have swallowed his pride and could have waited in his house for police to arrive. No risk, no pain.
People who have to play the hero all the time should not own guns.
Even after all the fixes, it misfires on 4% of shots…and that earns 3 1/2 out of 5 stars for reliability?
Positives:
1. Ms. Hudak is no longer a State Senator;
2. Constitution-upholding citizens are spared the trouble & expense of gathering more signatures;
3. Colorado taxpayers save the expense of a recall election (~$200K);
4. Hudak’s replacement should be gun-shy (pun most definitely intended) about voting for 2nd Amendment-restricting gun control measures and,
5. Statistics weren’t on Hudak’s side.
Negatives:
1. Another Democrat will be appointed to replace her.
I can live with that 5:1 ratio.
That’s about the way I see it.
The Democrat majority may be preserved, but the self-righteous gun-grabbing caucus of that Party just got a real strong yank on their choke-collar.
It was only a matter of time. There was no getting around it whatsoever.
Go ahead and push for a repeal. Even if it dies in committee, it still bodes well for Colorado as the vultures that voted against cloture will likely face an even harder uphill battle come election time.
Those rats really shot themselves in the foot this time. Pun fully intended.
Notice it is made on an “Ultra-lightweight aircraft grade aluminum alloy” frame…………..I guess regular aluminum is just too friggin’ heavy………..
A normal 3″ 1911 batters the sh1t out of a steel frame, I can’t even imagine what it will do to an aluminum frame, even with shok-buffs……………..
Hickenpooper needs to go next so they can’t just poop a fresh socialist yes man into a seat
They should now start another petition to recall hudak’s selected replacement. They should also start a petition for hickenlooper himself and repeal the ridiculous law that states hicklooper can “appoint” representatives.
Lol no photo shows the entire barrel. Can double as a walking stick?
Looking at the results of the 2012 election, it would appear that once again the Libertarians have let the pursuit of the perfect be the enemy of the good. By voting for someone that had no chance of winning (i.e. the “L”) instead of someone they probably agreed w/80% of the time, CO now has a law that is 100% antithetical to the beliefs of libertarians.
/waits for the sanctimonious “holier than thou/purer than thou” crowd to wax eloquent about refusing to choose between two evils anymore. Save it as you are as responsible as the Democrats for the enactment of anti-2A statutes that shred the Constitution you profess to revere.
Agreed and stated much more eloquently than I could above. Folks we need to know how to get there, we can’t do it in one giant leap but step by step.
So … we should push for laws such as:
Carrying a gun should not be criminalized unless there is an intent to do harm to others;
Accessories shouldn’t be prohibited because they look scary or might be misused;
Children should be taught what to do if they see a gun;
etc.
+1
Something like that, yes.
And of course….EVERY .22 LR RIFLE SHOULD COME WITH A SILENCER AND THREADED BARREL.
Colorado is a beach head for liberals from the Left coast. Stop them here or in 10 years you will be much like California with all their woes. You already have illegal aliens, legal pot , gun control and taxes are going up. Take a queue from the formerly golden state.
Great post.
For all those who say that “nobody wants to take your guns away,” I point to the clusterfack of laws which do zero good for preventing crime, but massively inconvenience gun owners… The entire NFA, “assault weapon” bans (which many gun control proponents don’t even like, as they are purely cosmetic) and higher taxes on firearms and ammo.
If they really wanted “compromise,” they could say “if you agree to universal background checks, we’ll scrap the entire NFA” or something similar. Not that I’d agree to it (since our rights are not bargaining chips) but the fact that they never offer anything meaningful in return shows their true intentions: to push back gun rights as far as they can.
Look at it from their point of view: what good does it do them to advance in one area, but fall back in another? If you were trying to take over a country in a war, and every time you took over one piece of territory, you had to concede another piece of territory of roughly equal importance, you’d never get anywhere.
I know plenty of gun prohibitionists who wholeheartedly believe that violence in the U.S. centers on guns, and the problem of violence is a direct and simple result of the proliferation of guns. So they will vote for any and all gun-control laws in what they believe is a David-versus-Goliath battle against the evil gun lobby that perpetuates violence based on greed (i.e., collusion with gun manufacturers). They believe they’re on a righteous crusade.
There is absolutely no way to reach these people, no matter how many facts and how much logic you present to them. When a majority group pushes discriminatory laws against a minority group, the only recourse is legal action. That’s why I’m thankful for the organizations that use the courts to uphold the civil right to keep and bear arms. (Come to think of it, there’s a Thanksgiving toast in there.)
There is probably a way. But you have to realize that many people actually believe this. My elder brother (which I usually admire) said with a surprised look on his face: “How come there isn’t more murders with so many guns”? This was in reference to a news segment which said there are 750 000 guns in Bosnia (my homeland).
Why is there not one photo in this article where the entire gun is visible in the frame? Every photo has some part of the gun chopped off out of frame. Amateurish.
Wow 106 rounds. That’s enough to shoot the IDPA classifier with 16 rounds left over. I think I have almost that much loaded into the guns in my safes and car. (The defensive guns are loaded, the others are not).
I’d be curious to see how the LA Times would classify my 40 000 primers, 200lb of powder, 50 000? empty brass, and 20 000+ bullets.
a little unrelated but I’m SO tired of news sites that automatically start playing videos when I load them. I swear these content designers still ignore the existance of tabbed browsers.
REMEMBER, this is the left-wing liberal elitist New Yorker. The slimy author would NEVER WRITE about anything that did not promote his left-wing liberal elitist views, and the magazine would not publish it.
Calling Weisser’s remarks “truthful” is the typical liberal elitist view because something is only “true” if they agree with it, otherwise, it’s not. Notice that this author states “[Weisser] reiterates the most, ahem, disarming argument in the gun wars: that, . . ., the truth is that gun violence is, outside of poor, minority neighborhoods, relatively rare, . . . “. The author doesn’t call this true, just an argument, even though it is A VERIFIABLE FACT!!
As a newbie, I agree with the assertion that for many, owning firearms is a hobby, much like owning various cars, but much, much cheaper. Before I decided I needed to learn how to defend my family and my myself, I wasn’t aware of the depth of the gun culture. For some, blasting away at stuff is pure fun. But, for me, learning to use various firearms so they can be used in proper defense is enough.
This author does not denigrate any other hobby, of course, like collecting moths. And, of course, this author has to take a parting shot by calling gun owners “irrational”.
Century Arms–I don’t recall a single review of a firearm by this company that did not gripe about its lack of reliability. ‘Nuff said.
Wow, they would have a panic attack if they saw the dozen ammo cans full of rounds I keep. I start to get nervous and buy more when I have less than two full 50cal ammo cans of any caliber.
I have agree with all other people if HK price point to high on rifle not gone sell well. If can only use over price Hk parts accessories that can only get from them not make people want buy it. With older HK guns you get parts accessories for with out going HK. I real do not think bring rifle in USA gone save HK becuase simple fact to bring in counrty they brought version flop on market frist did send thrill up any body leg. Compare competition out there gone hard press find any one gone find rifle more unique than what out there. Same company sell 416 rifle what new rifle gone compete againt.
Unless Chickenpooper puts in a pro-2nd A person in her place, recall his replacement.
THIS MAKES ME SO PISSED OFF! I bought Ruger when it was in the upper forties and sold when it hit upper fifties thinking the gun craze was over! AHHHHH! Oh well lesson for next time…
Option 4: move out of NYC without looking back, say good riddance to bad rubbish and if you own a business, take it with you.
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Great editorial, and an excellent picture. That is the exact setup I’m after. Is that an AAC can? I NEED that.
“ShootingTheBull410 Concludes His Quest for the Ultimate .380 Round”
That’s an easy quest. Lengthen the case a bit, add some more powder for some more velocity. Toss in a heavier bullet. Call it something more suitable for its new form like say, 9mm luger. Bam! Done!
This is an excellent study he did. If I was going to carry a .380, this would be invaluable.
If they get a pro gun Dem in the seat can they overturn the mag ban???? One can only hope.
It may be blue or black, but I know I’m green. . .
WINNER. As a son and a father – this story… well I got a bug in my eye…
You can’t really compare it to the AR, you have to remember their are a lot of gun owners out their with lots of firearms, AR’s included, that want some variety.
HK bashing aside I never understood why that company didn’t cash in on all their fan boys. If they made all their video game porn guns available at reasonable prices, and cranked them out in mass they would sell a ton of them. The prices they ask are nuts when you consider that most HK models are built to be cheap, like the G3 and MP5. I would never pay good money for a cheap stamped gun, even with the happy switch.
Imagine how many semi auto MP5’s they would sell at $1k each, or how many G3’s at $800 or PSG1’s at $2k, etc. They would be the richest gun company in the world.
This is a perfect business example of a company that advertised and had brand cachet to really pull profits from a market; than pretty much gave it the middle finger.
FN is pretty much doing what HK should have done, but they don’t have 20+ years of video game and Tom Clancy brand recognition yet.
When is the last time you saw an HK advertisment?
I’m just going to leave my review of this article at “gun boner” and say no more.
Is it a sideways boner?
Those are very strange.
My Blue Book from a few years back lists the value of such a 1911 at $15,000 in 98% (for 100% is says “N/A”).
I’ll buy a 3-4 boxes of that precision one ammo. I shoot it in 9mm a lot. So I am not afraid of the brand.
If it shoots from my P238 it will stay in it.
Real IMI UZI’s work quite well, I guess that’s the difference between a clone and the real thing.
Very easy to shoot because of their weight, the metal stock is not the best but the lock up is solid as a rock, and the trigger is decent for what it is. Last time I shot an IMI UZI semi auto carbine I put 500 rounds threw it of the cheapest 9mm I could find and it worked perfectly.
Compared to say a Grease Gun its lighter and just more modern, with a better trigger, but the Grease Gun is a cheap POS in terms of quality. IMI guns are built pretty good.
You can see why the MP5 took the world by storm when it came out.
I can’t think of ANY reason anymore to go there. I don’t care if it’s my best friend’s wedding or funeral. I will no more visit California than I will North Korea.
And I don’t even smoke anymore.
Better not be able to drink in your house, either, lest you bump a wall and wake up your neighbor’s cat.
Wow that was a really good story. Thanks for sharing that with us. Probably makes us all re-examine our own paternal relationships a bit, as it did with me.
Many years ago we built a new home on 5 acres within 1500 feet of the Santa fe Main line between Albuquerque and El Paso. At times it could be noisy, sometimes with switching going on, sometimes a loco just sitting there idling for hours (hardly noticeable) and sometimes a long train hightailing through at 50 mph. They even blew the whistle at crossings in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. Now we live far from trains, interstate highways or airports. I don’t miss the interstates at all but we miss the trains and planes. How many live close to interstate highways? They are NOISY all night long. I have not heard of anyone trying to shut them down. So there. Not everybody can live far away from all these major parts of our commercial society.
Your argument for compulsory training is faulty. Even an idiot has the absolute right and responsibility to defend his own life without your permission.
That said however, no child should ever graduate from high school without having passed at least basic firearms training and NO teacher–NOT A SINGLE ONE–should ever hold that position of trust without holding a firearms certificate and successfully completing annual training.
Defense of yourself, your family, and your neighbors is as much a civil responsibility as serving on juries, etc., if not more so.
If I lived there and as a patriot and veteran, I say bring your punk asses to my home & if you want to die, come on in and try to take from me what is not yours to take. The 2nd Amendment is law on arms, NOT any “safe act” BS and no cop is going to steal my property to enforce an illegal UN-Constitutional “law.”
I can go with much of what you say. You’ve IDed the problem and proposed a solution along with being “reasonable.” You could probably get the majority of gun proponents to go along with your plan. The antis will never bite.
The good news is that the pros far outweigh the antis. Just check the membership numbers for the big pro and anti groups on facebook. Something like 37:1 the last time I crunched the numbers. So that leaves the middle ground. Some middles sorta care, some don’t. While a large number of Americans own guns, far fewer think it’s important to care about the law and the future. The middles I fear are the true majority. When a newsworthy shooting happens, there is much gnashing of teeth and some anti laws get passed around. When pro legislators feel the heat from he pros, pro laws get passed around. Little happens otherwise.
So what is the real world solution? I don’t know and apparently neither does anyone else. Your opinion, while valid, is destined to fail. It is a reasonable PRO GUN opinion which will never catch on across the board. Or maybe it will?
Mr. Barrett,
This is an excellent article. Very well written. Once I got past the first 5 seconds, it got me to thinking.
The social contract theory. Where one lives, etc.
When in deep thought on this very issue, I think, then what is allowed? Arms of the common soldier?
I believe this is a good starting point.
I personally am all for unregulated supressors, belt fed machine guns, and the like.
This multi-tiered pricing model currently in effect for say, a Thompson machine gun is just plain stupid.
Again, great article.
Gun-banners eat sh*t for breakfast.
I KNOW this will be redacted. BIG FUCKING DEAL.
Why are criminals called “BAD GUYS” ? A bad guy is some one who cheats on his girl friend with his ex wife. Someone who robs, rapes, or kills someone is a criminal.
“…The United States Declaration of Independence declares life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to be inalienable rights that cannot be denied. While this is an absolute for those who choose to live away from society…”
Uh-huh.
Then you go on to decide they are just ‘pretend absolutes’.
To say the DoI ‘allows’ us these rights is using a false premise/straw man argument to reach a conclusion. The DoI simply reinforces what are ‘inalienable rights’ for every person on the planet, not just those in remote wilderness areas. We Americans just happen to live in a country that delineates these rights and tell the government they cannot abbrogate them, which they have been doing since this country was formed while we people slept.
This article is just another attempt to convince gun owners/2nd A supporters that ‘compromise’ will get us farther along the line to ‘world peace’ and ‘safety for the children’ while it really is just a disarmament pogrom.
32 dead! Must have been an evil assault rifle. Oh…a pistol, you say? Stupid libtards (democrats). If you vote for democrats, you deserve to have your firearms (freedom) taken.
did anyone else cringe seeing a glock tortured like that?
I bet it would have functioned though. I’ve seen squib tests on glocks, sigs and his. All passed. I just don’t think the twinkie filling would have raised pressure enough to be a problem.
I figure seating the round would be the hard part. Though I am thinking that racking a few rounds would have cleared it enough to take care of that.
I would like to see the test done on a proper testing rig so that no one is in danger but we get a real result.
Meh.
I’m on board with the general principle of why this isn’t a good thing, but I can’t bring myself to give a rat’s ass about San Rafael, CA. So the super-rich who own detached houses are lording it over the rest of the town, which is merely rich. Millionaires squabbling with multimillionaires. Cry me a farking river.
Plus, having lived in an apartment that was surrounded by other apartments containing people who smoked, I can tell you that the smell (if nothing else) does NOT stay behind drywall and soundboard. There’s nothing awesome about living in someone else’s stale ashtray. I don’t think the city/gov’t/whoever has any business telling everyone how to live — especially not the one rule for you, another rule for us kind of garbage — but I sure was glad when I found an apartment complex with lease terms that prohibited smoking.
The biggest problem with this situation is that California exports these assholes to other states across the West.
Its all moot since the libtards (democrats) are trying to take our freedom (firearms), sooooo….war it is, with no compromise.
If you aren’t someone who questions everything, everyone, has doubts about absolutes, can change their opinion and demands facts before accepting anything, or gets upset when someone doesn’t share the same opinion or is constantly evaluating where they think they stand, move on down to the next comment…
I must admit that I don’t share the same views as the author above, but not necessarily because I’m an absolutist, I don’t know where I stand, I don’t see any evidence that any regulations perform as originally billed. All seem to be abused and I see something wrong with implementing any legislation that has very little chance of “doing something,” but most certainly threatens liberty.
I can tell you one thing for certain, our founders weren’t absolutists. We wouldn’t have a ratified constitution if they were.
In theory, I could get behind classes, but unsafe people are unsafe even when forcibly shown how to be safe. I just see this issue like I see prohibition, you can’t and shouldn’t force people to do what you think is right. It never works. What if we police our own? I correct people on the range when I see something unsafe, why don’t gun stores educate customers on their own? The last thing I’d want is some knucklehead flagging me, well no, the last thing I’d want is to sell a gun to someone I’m not confident will be safe.
It seems to me that one side is trying to legislate solutions to things that aren’t problems, and present more danger than they will admit, and the other side is pounding their chest and shouting “SHALL NOT INFRINGE” and “MOLON LABE!” We present no solutions, except throwing other liberties and privacy under the bus, like video games and mental health records, and in no way show that we are concerned about the same problems. No wonder, we are hated.
Infringing is the wrongful limitation or restriction of a right. I see preventing people from owning magazines of any capacity as an infringement. Is training really an infringement? Isn’t this an enhancement of their right to keep and bare arms? I’m the last person who thinks state mandated training will reduce crime or even have a measurable effect on crime, but I find it hard to see training as an infringement. My view is subject to change given a compelling argument.
While I don’t agree with Jim about gun safes being effective deterrents to crime, I just don’t see having to lock up your guns as meeting the definition of infringement. An inspection by law enforcement certainly violates our rights.
I think we can agree that in our society, not everyone has the right to keep and bare arms, violent felons for example shouldn’t have guns, these few spree killers shouldn’t have guns. If we screened out the dangerous people, supposing we even can while respecting their rights, or added training, while leaving our rights intact, being able to own what you want in order to be “little, if at all inferior” to the Army, is that still “infringing?” I gotta admit that citizens as skilled or at least as safe with arms as our military doesn’t sound like an infringement to me. The problem seems to be the well earned lack of trust in our legislators and those who oppose gun rights. I also see our chest thumping absolutists and willingness to disown one of our own, Jim is clearly one of our own, as a danger to our liberties too.
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Let’s not forget the fact that the UK has a pretty dishonest way of recording crime statistics:
http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html
Not counting a murder as such until you actually convict someone would make the US appear to be only 60% as violent as it actually is.
Maybe we should adopt the UK model for recording murders rather than their gun control laws?
“Rich folks, carrying”.
Sorry, that’s how it struck me.
From my cold dead hands!
I do it primarily because I enjoy it. I did it more when I could step out on the back forty and cut loose, but now it’s as much therapy as anything. As Buzzlefutt says above, there is a certain Zen to it.
Actually, I have physically WITNESSED entire cartridges exiting the barrel. Yes,sirree.. Was at an indoor range- it was relatively dark. Shooting my 9mm and .45 cal 1911.. Accidentally put 9mm cartridges in my 1911’s magazine, loaded the magazine, racked one and the force propelled the entire cartridge out of the barrel. Didn’t see it the first few times- weapon just went click. Saw one drop out of the barrel- and I was like “huh ? ” Yep. a 9mm cartridge will fall thru or get kicked thru by the slide – none went off though.. What can I say— it was quite dark.. should have brought a flashlight…
Honestly I don’t think it will be any of the above. I think they will come out with a 30 s in a gen 4 and maybe add a. 45 longslide to go with the G34 and G35 for competition shooters. The G26 already fits the bill for a sub compact 9mm and is probably one of if not the most popular carry guns in the states overall. A single stack 9mm would only make people complain about the lack of capacity and the initial excitement (mine included) would die down quickly when I really think about how much I would rather just carry my 26. Glock tends to stick with what has proven profitable and doesn’t jump on designs that stray too far from that. They don’t need to. I think the add is a fake but will gladly eat my words if I’m wrong.
Let’s just wait til they are totally unarmed and then the rest of us who are armed can take them over,once we invade.We just apply Hitler’s “How I invaded Poland and Got Away With It” doctrine and we can accomplish the same goals as they are stupid and unarmed.
BREAKING: San Rafael SWAT takes delivery of new (new them) MRAP.
Run, Robert, ruuuuunnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!
There’s nothing about said product on the page you linked, though the holsters, those look like they could be great.
I use .270 in 150grains and the performance in deer is more than good enough. I like the flat trajectory the.270 has.
I’m frankly surprised that a woman’s family would be appalled because her husband knows his way around a firearm. Doesn’t that imply that he’s willing to do anything and everything to protect their darling daughter? Ah, well. Different strokes and all that. Happy Thanksgiving, pilgrims.
Money benefits or no, hand loading allows me to control things from start to finish. I don’t know of many factory loads that chamfer the primer hole, for example, and I believe that this is a contributor to good accuracy. It IS a Zen process. I probably spend more time making sure my cases are perfect, and a perfect fit for the rifle I am loading for, than is economical. Yet, it is time I treasure, as this is a process that I enjoy. An hour or so spent after work resizing cases, chamfering flash holes, trimming cases, etc, is time I am relaxing after a long day and allowing my mind to wander over many things. I come back in to the house a refreshed person. This is what hand loading means to me, above economy or accuracy.
This is a terrific story, and deserving of the win. Thanks for making my Friday so much the better for having read this.
He would have been just as much of a killing machine with a bolt action “hunting rifle.”
Always cheat = always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose. That should be the core to self-defense when the fight gets going.
Also: Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
They’re using the smoking ban playbook. Allow town level pre-emption of freedom. Get the big cities to enact bans, follow with “progressive” towns, build a critical mass, get a statewide ban and then prohibit local pre-emption of the ban.
My local store in Puget Sound here charges $30 and is helpful and attitude-free, which I find to be just fine.
My other local store is almost as attitude-free, also helpful and carries NFA items for purchase. 🙂
Ahhh, Connie Rodd… I preferred using PL-S/PL-M instead of LSA. That stuff started to stank after a while. When BreakFree/CLP showed up it pretty much replaced all the lubricants and RBC, Our post vietnam noncoms used to chant ‘wetter is better’ in terms of small arms lube. Which is still my habit today.
Thanks for the review. Looked at one of these before, so good to hear some feedback.
Also, the post-Shield triggers on the M&Ps are definitely way better than the earlier ones. None of the phantom reset crap, and much nicer break.
The solution to this and similar problems is simple – the people of NYS just need to kick NYC & environs out of the state; let them be their own state, with their own twisted values, taxes, criminals, etc etc. Fire all state gov workers in Albany. Just start over.
May?
Jerry is faster than gravity. He was done before the first brass hit the ground.
A well regulated militia…..
As if the Depression weren’t bad enough, in 1936 New Yorkers endured the zombie subway rising for several weeks. Shown are three alert commuters taking the “A” train. (photo: Bettmann Archive)
Great review!
I have 2 Saiga-12s and both run great. NO mods, except for Russian skeleton stock replacement and hand-adjustable gas knobs. Factory FCGs and lame factory triggers, they still run fine. You don’t necessarily need to “work on them” to get them to run well, some just require a little break in with high brass ammo. Both of mine ran high brass 100% for about the first 100 rounds for the recommended break in….and BOTH now run walmart bulk pack birdshot 100% and have silky smooth actions. I have the 20rd MD Arms drums which also run GREAT. You need to have the same knowledge of the platform as one does to optimally run an AR, or a AK-rifle. There are some that because of poor quality control, left the factory with misaligned gas ports. Regardless Cadiz Gun Works does all warranty work on saigas and will fix your gun for free if it malfunctions….before you try to “fix” it with BS bandaid mods
Excellent article.
Having bolded both the 11th and the 18th as the date of their planned robbery on the calendar, the trio sat there in a state of stark confusion, never actually carrying out their plan.
Who leaves 1,000 round of “exploding ammo” in a car parked outside … in Detroit?
Stupid is, as stupid does.
John, I have an M&P Pro CORE 9, and like you I was pleasantly surprised by the trigger.. but also like you, I was disappointed in the reset. I bought this to be a nightstand gun and installed a motion-activated Leupold Deltapoint on it (spoiler alert: the setup is perfect for this role).
After about 500 rounds the OEM Pro trigger had both lightened up and smoothed out even further from the Performance Center treatment, but the creep “stage” had actually lengthened because the sear engagement surface had rounded out a bit. However, I had to consciously search for this difference with my finger. It was still a great trigger by any striker-fired stock measure. We’re talking a few percentage points difference after 500 rounds. It felt like trading a mm of squish for an ounce or two of pull.
I actually prefer the M&P hinged trigger to the Glock-style trigger safety, but always intended to “max the gun out” on Apex parts. To that end I installed their striker block and hard sear (these two things really go together, as without the USB the striker safety will feel like a whole second stage – do both or neither), as well as the “Reset Assist Mechanism.” I stuck with the stock springs as I felt the weight was already great for the intended usage, so the pull only dropped by half a pound to around 4 lbs – perfect.
The USB + Sear were crisper than the Pro trigger out of the box. The engagement edge is visibly much sharper, and the melonite-treated hardened metal will probably keep it that way for the life of the pistol. However this was not a night and day change – while the Apex trigger is as good as it gets without removing safeties, the Pro trigger really is quite good already, so installing the USB + sear really didn’t net me much bang for the buck. The Apex trigger is excellent, but the Pro trigger was already very good.
I also installed the Reset Assist Mechanism, and this is where the night and day change really happened. Unlike the other Apex upgrades, the RAM doesn’t replace anything. It’s an additional spring and plunger that push the sear back into position as you release the trigger, basically assisting the trigger spring in its return. If the trigger spring breaks the RAM spring will allow you to push the trigger forward and still reset the sear, so it is in fact a reliability upgrade. The reset went from inaudible and barely perceptible, to audible and clearly perceptible, without any sense of trigger slap. It’s not Glock audible, but that is to say that it is not excessively loud, not to say that it is insufficiently loud. And the feel is just an absolutely crisp click where before it was just oatmeal.
Knowing what I know now, I would recommend Apex RAMs for every applicable M&P without exception. It’s incredibly easy to install, does not replace any existing parts, and it’s only $24. Honestly, I don’t know why S&W doesn’t already include this part as it seems so natural once you have it installed, like the gun shipped with a part missing from the factory. It’s so simple and obvious that I truly believe we’ll see this included from S&W at some point in the future.
I would also not recommend that anyone with a Pro trigger jump in with both feet to a full Apex setup – start with the RAM only. It will be a huge improvement. If you then want to max the gun out no matter the cost, install both the USB and Hard Sear, but compared to the RAM you’ll only gain a marginal improvement. Would I do it the same way over again personally? Heck yeah, but cost wasn’t an object and I enjoy tinkering, so the USB installation (requiring the removal of the rear sight on non-CORE models, and striker block from the slide) wasn’t daunting. Anyone with opposable thumbs can install the RAM and there’s very little risk of messing anything up. You even get the satisfaction of seeing the shiny little head of the part through a hole in the frame when you’re done.
FWIW I reload, so I also installed the Failure Resistant Extractor in order to achieve a little more positive extraction into the rail-mounted brass bag. Extraction was already 100% reliable and remained so with the FRE, I just wanted it to extract with a bit more gusto.
These guns r junk! I owned a per 30 and a pf9. The mag catch broke on the pf9 and the per 30 failed to feed between 5-10 rounds per mag. I finally took the pmr30 to the factory(I live close by) and they replaced the barrel, spring and slide. Don’t get me wrong, their customer service is great, but the gun continued to fail. I could not rely on it ever being used as a personal protection weapon. I finally traded it in on another weapon. Just my experience….
So, the letters AREN’T a hoax?
Andy Capp, on the right, in happier times before he married Flo, discovered beer and was Lautenberged.
I think it’s incorrect to say that registration = confiscation, because turning them in is not the only option. You can have them modified or sell them or whatever. However, it is absolutely correct to say that registration = loss.
It’s sorta true when they say that “No one is coming to take your guns,” but only in the strictest sense. An accurate statement would be that people are coming to deny you your guns.
I would have to agree, just like “you can keep your health insurance and keep visiting your same doctor” only if your plan does not change in any way at any time and meets the requirements of Obamacare. Never mind Obamacare requirements were written to invalidate most plans and that most plans have some change every year.
“We’re not taking your guns” is true as long as your guns fit the requirements set. Never mind the requirements were set to deny most people most guns, but you can keep that single-shot .22, well, not all single shot .22s, but you get the idea. And don’t mind that they are continuously adding to the list of “illegal” guns.
It’s the same message pretty much every time. “We’re not trying to take away your rights”, you can exercise them as we see fit in the places, times, and ways they see fit. “We’re not restricting your rights”, they’re regulating them. I’m not as young as I used to be so I would applaud their mental gymnastics if it weren’t so disgusting.
They will come for them and people will turn them in and that will be the end of it. Mark my words they will hand them over, mark my words.
Is there a source for the letter? I’d really like to post this on Facebook with a big, “I told ya’ so,” but I don’t want to put it there unless I have adequate proof that this is a thing.
The letter reads like a scene from “Atlas Shrugged”.
I’m saving up for one of those “weapons of war” that our exalted President keeps blathering about. You know, the ones that made him cry when he couldn’t get them banned.
A brick of .22 lr, two .50 ammo cans, a Burris Fullfield II 2-7, and a PEPR mount for it.
Weird. About two Fridays ago, I saw a Glen Beck post similar to this one that was on TTAG for a few minutes then disappeared. Just curious why it would be taken down and reposted?
Well, of course Commies like guns, they’ll need them to kill off all the Capitalist pigs, and other political dissidents.
And, don’t confuses hippies with Commies, they’re not the same thing. It’s like calling cars, trucks, simply because they both use gasoline and have four wheels.
I know true, 60’s era hippies (dad’s friends) and modern day, socialist, wannabe hippies (GF’s friends), it’s apples and oranges.
Took a friend shooting for black Friday, I won’t contribute to the madness.
Today, bought a S&W Bodyguard .380 (LGS is having a “tax free” weekend). NICS delayed me so I’ll be picking it up Thursday, or when I get the call if sooner. I really need to get my CWP if anything to avoid NICS delays.
“I put my money down on a pearl-handled SIG SAUER 238 for a friend.”
For a friend? Sure….. 😉
It would be a freezing day in hell before I would comply, my answer would be “Come and get them”
I find it disappointing that Frum apparently finds the worst part of the incident isn’t that there were three criminals willing to attack a 76 year old woman and kill her in her home, but rather that she had a gun when she was murdered. The take away should not be on how to disarm elderly ladies, but rather preventing crime and injustice. Perhaps there is more to Frum’s side but it is reasonable to assume that the twitter post accurately captures Frum’s thinking.
I own a compact L type M 92FS and can’t find any place to buy the single stack 8 round mag.
Jennings, Raven, Lorcin all are the same and used the identical design for function and operation. I had a Lorcin I used as a door stop for years was not good for much else. The same poor quality made of mostly “pot Metal” and poorly fit/finish. I know some of these actually work but I would never want to depend on one for my life or lively-hood.
I am going to assume that RF wants a trunk gun in case some sudden and unexpected catastrophic event happens and he has to make his way back home under potentially dangerous conditions of civil unrest — either on foot or still in his vehicle.
I have three options in mind:
(1) Kel-Tec SUB-2000 carbine in .40 S&W caliber. It folds in half and fits in a padded notebook computer case. The case protects it from bumps, vibration, and humidity in the trunk of your car. It also enables you to walk without anyone realizing that you have a carbine — which could be extremely important since you don’t want to appear to have anything of value when walking around after a catastrophe. Finally, it is lightweight and maneuverable. Oh, and if you have a Glock handgun you can get a SUB-2000 that uses standard Glock magazines. Ballistically speaking, the carbine is equivalent to a revolver in .357 Magnum with a four inch barrel shooting full power loads and is accurate enough to reliably hit a human-sized target at 100 yards.
(2) I like the earlier commenter’s idea of an inexpensive break-action (single shot) shotgun. And I would choose 20 gauge. It will be lighter than a 12 gauge and you can carry more ammunition or the same amount of ammunition at a lighter weight. And you still have the options of choosing bird shot, buckshot, and slugs. While this choice provides more “stopping power” and intimidation factor than a carbine, it will not be anywhere near as accurate as the carbine between 50 and 125 yards.
(3) Revolver in .44 Magnum with a long (7.5 inches minimum) barrel. The long barrel increases muzzle velocity to amazing levels and greatly improves accuracy. (My first time shooting such a revolver, I shot a 2.5 inch group at 25 yards.) You can strap it to your hip if open carry is an option. Or you could carry it in a backpack or even a relatively small notebook computer case without anyone giving it a second thought. Of course the ballistic effectiveness of .44 Magnum is excellent. You could shoot light-for-caliber 180 grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of something like 1800 fps or the standard 240 grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of something like 1400 fps. (Keep in mind that skilled hunters take deer out to 100 yards with .44 Magnum revolvers.) Or if you are concerned about excessive recoil or ever penetration, you could shoot .44 Special ammunition such as a 200 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of 1000 fps or so. You could even load your own .44 Magnum ammunition with minimum powder (for muzzle velocities in the 700 fps range) and ball rounds for shooting rabbits in a survival situation.
I wonder what the outcry would be if a single police officer was dispatched and, upon announcing his presence, a real hostage oped fire. The officer retreats, being entirely outgunned. Hostage taker kills the victim.
Rule #1 Bring a Gun.
Excellent read, job well done. Love to hear your opinions on more self defense stuff.
Is the ugly power tie also bulletproof?
Classic Arms is selling new manufactured Zastava M57. Fit and finish are better than the originals plus they have a safety that actually works for cocked and locked carry. I plan on getting a pair later this month. For 239.99 whats not to like.
That is the first time I’ve ever seen an SRM-1216 in the wild.
It’s a nice gun collection, but I think I’ve got better. Then again, he’s clearly got enough to occupy himself without going shooting all the time.
I for one would challenge this in court.No state or elected official(s) can take you’re fire arms by sending you a form such as this! Take it to the supreme court. Who the hell would want to live in that dysfunctional state any ways?
Rise up and say FUCK YOU!
Have an unnatural fear of heights? You have a mental illness. Afraid of bees? Mental illness! Don’t like crowds? ILL! Never learned to swim? Mentally ill for sure. Talk to yourself sometimes? Oh yes, you’re sick. Arguementative? Mental case! ……. Do you see where I’m going with this? The mind is the most diverse thing in the universe. Thomas Jefferson and Albert Einstein are thought to have had Asperger’s syndrome, (as well as many of today’s doctors, lawyers, computer programmers, scientist, etc.) and what about anxiety? Half the people I’ve met have struggled with stress and worry in their lives. This is a dispicable attempt to limit freedom of folks who’ve done nothing wrong. Fortunately people without any “disorders” never, ever become violent or commit murder! Sarcasm off.
earned money, and spent it on his wants…gotta love a FREE mind and market…..Semper Fi
I’m with the others above. I’m completely fed up with the heinous, unfeeling ghouls and jackals in politics and the media exploiting grief for their own personal gain. I’ve taken to watching Asian news programs because I get clearer reports of what is happening in the US from them. MSM news? More like MTV News…
Those who do conform, I will not buy their hardware.
Plenty of fish in the sea.
If they have to use these tactics – back door requirements on acquisitions to get what they can’t at the ballot box – clearly they’re losing the argument … probably because their argument is nonsense. (Hammer that point. Hammer it again and again. They just blew up their own claims to legitimacy.)
Worse (for them) this “not part of the RFQ, but we’re going to *consider* some things” violates about a kajillion oversight, regulation and good government laws. Everybody involved in this on the govt. side is in the felony corruption zone, with the influencers suborning this or that. Let the prosecutions begin!!!
Answering those obnoxious questions as an exercises I realized two things.
– This is an end-run around standing political and administrative processes. Duh, I know. It just became crystal clear. They’re doing this because they want to get their way, and can’t via the ballot box. Problem is they’re subverting acquisition processes to advance their agenda – that’s over the line. The game is to call them on it – cheating to get what they can’t get legitimately.
– Massive sunshine, oversight, govt. contracting and similar laws and regulations exist to counteract exactly this kind of undue influence, advancing an agenda outside the ballot box, and coopting govt spending and authority to buy off constituencies. Invoke that. You’ll probably never get a prosecution, prosecutors being part of the same cabal, but you’ll likely inspire some off the record advice to knock it off at risk of losing their cover.
So, yes, ding them on the 2A and trade BS. Then dirty them up with bad government / cronyism charges. A suit or corruption prosecution would be wonderful. Agitating for one is almost as good as actually getting one – now the oversight folks look dirty, too. BUT, along with every other move, deliver the real poke, every time: “They only use these tactics, because they’re losing at the ballot box. Clearly their claims of a mandate are nonsense, probably because what they’ve been proposing is nonsense.”
Heck, if you already have a 3D printer and the materials aren’t too costly, you could fund a nice bonus to your ammo budget by turning in Liberator type guns made just for that purpose.
You could even troll the gun prohibitionists on an epic level. Picture it… People all across the nation flooding gun “buybacks” with dirt-cheap printed plasticware and turning a profit. When the anti-gun shills catch on and start whining about it, you can turn around and say, “But I thought you wanted these things off the streets. We’re just trying to help.”
the President was never in any danger. He was in Hawaii
I think you meant “America was never in danger. The President was in Hawaii.”
To be honest, I would have enjoyed SOME commentary in my CPL class. That class consisted of the instructor reading “Personal Protection in the Home” VERBATIM for 6 hours. I know there are things they are legally required to talk about, and recitation is probably the easiest way to be certain it’s all covered, but my God is it boring…..
On an only slightly related note, why is it that “Personal Protection in the Home” seems to be the required course in so many states? I’m not familiar with the course content but it seems to me that if I’m seeking a concealed carry license I’m more apt to need “Personal Protection Outside the Home.”
God Bless Texas!
We DO live in the land of the free. Its your job to keep it that way and pass it down to the next generation and they must do likewise. If anything like this were to happen, you DO NOT COMPLY and prepared to take up arms and if necessary kill all agents of local government who would act to enforce this unconstitutional decree. We are Americans and must act like Americans and not be afraid to die for freedom.
You’re vote counts. Use it wisely, a vote for Hillary is a vote for Confiscation. You need to be a single issue voter, if that’s what it takes to maintain you’re rights.
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As President Ronald Reagan once famously said; «Well», to which I will add; crazy persons can kill a lot of people with just about any type of gun. Like this kid, he shot and killed 15 people with a bolt action .
I am 71 years old and in good physical shape and have carried legally concealed for 40 years. During the Viet Nam war, I served in the Naval Service, thus I never was in a fire fight. In my lifetime, I have known many men who jumped in on D-Day or hit the beaches of Normandy. I have known guys who fought in North Africa, Italy and the Battle Of The Bulge. I have had the honor of knowing Veterans of the Pacific War, Island hopping and landing on Guadalcanal and the Philippines. I know people who were in Korea and in the Marines at the Chosin Reservoir.I had friends who were with Airmobile,who slugged through the elephant grass and were on riverine boats in the Mekong Delta. I know LEOs who have been in all sorts of fire fights and I have a friend who shot an attacker in his own home. But, Someone With a Brain, I have NEVER heard anyone say “I wish I hadn’t had so much ammunition.”