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A reader who wishes to remain anonymous writes . . .

Are Americans preparing for a civil war? I hear this question raised by people who have heard of the unprecedented number of private purchases of weapons and ammunition currently underway in the United States. This is compounded by a belief that some individuals are accumulating so much of this stuff that the weapons/ammunition supply chain can’t keep up with the demand. To me, this hoarding (especially of ammunition) is partially confirmed by comments I read here on TTAG.

My short answer to the question is: Some may be preparing for a civil war, but I cannot and will not. Indeed, the very thought of civil war gives me a cold chill and impels me to plead for peace. Here’s why . . .

When Americans think of civil war, they think of what has been otherwise known as The War Between the States, which was an unqualified disaster. But the American Civil War was an organized conflict between two well-defined of groups of states (even though some guerrilla activity did exist). I don’t believe that sufficient economic motivation exists for a thing like that now, at least not yet.

What could happen now is class warfare wherein large groups of people create civil disturbances in various localities because they are agitated or aggrieved by real or imagined wrongs, and opposing groups arise to stage defensive counter-offensives (all incited by nefarious leadership).

At least some of the motivation for this is racial, some is so-called toxic political polarization, and there is enough blame to go around on all sides. Others are innocently drawn into the conflict while only trying to defend themselves, and the aggregate of local skirmishing leads to a total breakdown of social order nationwide.

I remember how it happened on a fairly large scale during the riots in Detroit in the summer of 1967. It was a year of widespread unrest, and the night before, I happened to be returning home on Interstate 94 after dark from an urgent errand in Indiana. While en route, I observed large groups of people headed apparently from Chicago toward Detroit in a convoy of speeding cars and pickup trucks.

I knew then that trouble was brewing and, sure enough, the fracas started the very next day. Fortunately, this doesn’t seem to have happened again around Detroit in 2020, though there were demonstrations. But my memory of that long-ago incident has given me some insight into how these things can be perpetrated…deliberately.

In the event of civil war, this is what could happen:

  • Massive numbers of people are inhibited from going about their normal business because of danger in the streets. Businesses large and small are interrupted and/or destroyed, thereby disrupting many essential goods and services just like in 2020, but on a much larger scale.
  • Arson becomes a weapon of choice. Houses and other buildings are torched on a grand scale leaving large numbers of people without shelter, if they are fortunate enough to escape the burning buildings. Over many years in the Detroit area, we have been sickened by the phenomenon of arson as an offensive weapon.
  • Infrastructure is destroyed to the extent that the lifestyle of city dwellers (and the majority of us in America are city dwellers) is totally disrupted. Utilities such as electricity, gas, water, telephones, and cable are interrupted, causing the loss of air conditioning in the summer, heat in the winter, and communication any time. Without electricity there is no refrigeration for the preservation of foodstuffs and no clean water to drink. Diseases like typhoid and cholera spread due to the lack of sanitation, since sewage disposal and trash removal are also interrupted.
  • Disruption of transportation causes failure of the food supply chain and thousands, perhaps millions, of people begin to starve. Of course, there are some who have hoarded, or begin to hoard, large supplies of preserved food. This hoarding exacerbates shortages, and others who have become desperate, try to take that food away from the hoarders, which causes additional conflict.
  • With depletion of food supplies in the cities, strife spills into the countryside as starving people go there to forage. Eventually no one is exempt, and massive starvation ensues.
  • Hospitals become overwhelmed by the carnage and disease. They begin to fail, both because of the loss of utilities and because staff members are: a) overworked to the point of exhaustion, b) unable to get to work, or c) killed in the conflict.
  • The aged and the infirm begin to die in large numbers because of all of the above, and there is no one around to even dispose of their bodies.
  • Finally, the United States government manages to enforce marshal law leading to the complete suppression of violence accompanied by a total suppression of civil rights including the loss of all of the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. But disaster relief is not forthcoming, because the destruction is so massive that any possible government response is totally inadequate.
  • Alternatively, the United States government is so weakened by the ensuing disorder and destruction that it fails to bring the situation under control. The United States loses its status as a world superpower and becomes vulnerable to attack by its enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Not a pretty picture. Of course, this is only conjecture on my part, but some of the above has happened numerous times before.

At any rate, I believe that the end result, at the very least, will be arbitrary oppression unlike anything Americans have ever experienced. That’s you’d have to be out of your mind to even hope for such a thing.

There are selfish people in any society who think that such a conflict would lead to a cleansing and a better tomorrow. They are wrong; a modern civil war would fix nothing, and ruin virtually everything.

Many of us are spoiled from having had it too good for too long, and everybody seems to be peeved by something or other these days, myself included. Nevertheless, I believe that people from all walks of life have legitimate gripes about the way things are going and that there are things in our society that are dreadfully wrong.

But this country is too important to give up on. As an alternative to the unthinkable, I would like to suggest the following . . .

  • You and I, as ordinary citizens, get more interested in the governance of our country. We become better informed and make better decisions when we vote. If we can do that, we will improve the quality of our political leadership to the point where better decisions are being made by better, more responsible elected officials. We the People would then be less disenchanted with our own lots in life.
  • We engage in polite civil discourse with our fellow citizens over the mutual problems we face. We occasionally take the time to politely address our elected representatives to let them know what we really want and need.
  • As responsible parents, we take renewed interest in what our children are learning in school and hold their teachers and administrators accountable for any misconduct.
  • We stop amassing huge private arsenals of ammunition greater than what can possibly be needed for ordinary self-defense or recreational purposes, since amassing arsenals is not the answer to any of our problems.
  • We rely on our duly constituted civil authorities to deal with civil disturbances and insist that they actually do the job. This includes not de-funding police departments.
  • We give our country every chance to straighten itself out, instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater in civil war.

 

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  1. Civil War? No
    Civil Unrest, yes, as the left has already shown themselves of every form of violence up to and including murder, just ask Steve Scalise.

        • I believe in God the Father almighty,
          Creator of heaven and earth.
          And in Jesus Christ, His only Son,
          our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
          born of the Virgin Mary,
          suffered under Pontius Pilate,
          was crucified, died, and was buried.
          He descended into hell; the third day
          He rose again from the dead;
          He ascended into heaven, and sits at
          the right hand of God the Father
          almighty, from thence He shall come
          to judge the living and the dead.
          I believe in the Holy Spirit,
          the holy Catholic Church,
          the communion of saints,
          the forgiveness of sins,
          the resurrection of the body
          and life everlasting.
          Amen.

        • “Which god?”

          Me, you insolent mortal!

          Now, don’t wake from my sleep again, if you know what’s good for you!

      • Agreed, this guy sounds like a paid troll…

        Shortage or not, stockpile or not, I won’t have to fear for lack of food or water because like our ancestors I know how to get it from the world around me.

        Furthermore his contention that we can make things better by voting is asinine, we all have seen in 2020 that the Democrats have irreparably broken the system that our forefathers have laid out and stolen from the people their right to a voice in their governance, we must now show them the fail safe installed against tyranny in the bill of rights with the 2nd amendment.

        “…whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.”

        Since these d*ckheads on the left seem so confused by a coma, let the new second amendment be worded in a way that cannot be misconstrued- “the right of the people to own and carry a gun in any manner they see fit shall not be interfered with in any way, shape or form, unless they have demonstrated sufficient incompetence to justify the forfeiture of their rights.”

        • “Agreed, this guy sounds like a paid troll…”

          Since this “TTAG contributor”‘s solution to everything is to be polite to your elected officials, vote, and “stop amassing large arsenals”, I personally think that this “contributor” is an FBI agent trying to pacify people, not just a mere troll, but who knows.

        • Anonymous, don’t be ridiculous.

          The very fact that this contributor’s solution is to be polite, we know the person isn’t from the FBI.

          I don’t know where the person is from, otherwise, but the person certainly isn’t from the FBI!

    • It’s not “class warfare”. We don’t have “class” distinction here. That’s why communism, socialism,marxism hasn’t worked here. You can be dirt poor and become a millionaire. That could never have happened in pre-revolution France, Russia etc. Those peasants were stuck.
      It will be the ideological distinction that will feed the violence. How many antifa fighters are college educated? I’d guess MOST of them. Are the George Floyd protesters victims of discrimination? Some. I’d guess most are paid protesters that arrived on busses from other cities. (in Chicago we used to call them outside instigators.)
      I judge a country by how many people are trying to get IN and how many people are trying to get OUT.

    • My short answer to the question is: Some may be preparing for a civil war, but I cannot and will not. Indeed, the very thought of civil war gives me a cold chill and impels me to plead for peace. Here’s why .

      Then stop voting on forcing your neighbor and other countrymen to partake in activities you want them to do when they don’t want it. Federal government should be voting on things the states all support. And if some states don’t support them, then those states can vote on it within their states. This broad blanketing of laws all over the US because “majority” makes me not want to live here at all. Let’s just put it this way. If your law forces people to partake in activities you want but they don’t – do us all a favor and STFU.

    • A list of features, not bugs, from some fudd, I imagine.
      This is going to be the result of leftist machinations. My memetics response is “That’s right bitch, you better GTFO!!!!”

    • Yeah I really don’t agree with this.

      Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

      Best case scenario: Things calm down, the next election goes our way, the economy improves ect…

      Worst case scenario: Civil War 2 triggers WW3, (a very real possibility) which escalates into nuclear war.

      Double worse case scenario: Nuclear war is actually triggered by one of the major powers AI defense system which has become self aware….

        • Joking about skynet is how you get terminators and skynet. Any chance I could get some H-K drones, though??

        • Any chance I could get some H-K drones, though

          Give Bezos a call, he probably has a couple of early models laying around that he might be willing to offload…

      • Saviour Machine
        David Bowie

        President Joe once had a dream
        The world held his hand, gave their pledge
        So he told them his scheme for a Saviour Machine
        They called it the Prayer, its answer was law
        Its logic stopped war, gave them food
        How they adored till it cried in its boredom

        Please don’t believe in me, please disagree with me
        Life is too easy, a plague seems quite feasible now
        Or maybe a war, or I may kill you all

        Don’t let me stay, don’t let me stay
        My logic says burn so send me away
        Your minds are too green, I despise all I’ve seen
        You can’t stake your lives on a Saviour Machine

        I need you flying, and I’ll show that dying
        Is living beyond reason, sacred dimension of time
        I perceive every sign, I can steal every mind

        Don’t let me stay, don’t let me stay
        My logic says burn so send me away
        Your minds are too green, I despise all I’ve seen
        You can’t stake your lives on a Saviour Machine

        https://youtu.be/OEmauDBeXH0

  2. SEND THE TRAITORS TO NORTH KOREA , IF THEY DON’T LOVE AMERICA .
    SEE WHAT RIGHTS THEY HAVE , OKOK JUST WISHFULL THINKING .
    YES LIKE LAST PART OF ARTICLE , WISH AGAIN PARENTS , UUUH , HELP THEIR KIDS AND ONE SHOULD ADD THEMSELVES TO , LOVE , DEFEND , AMERICA AND OUR CONSTITUTION .

    • Nothing says geriatric schizophrenic like all caps. May not be the case but you are foolish to paint yourself that way.

      • “Nothing says geriatric schizophrenic like all caps. May not be the case but you are foolish to paint yourself that way.”

        Used to agree with that assessment, but I am re-calibrated. Now, I understand that posting/commenting in all caps is rational. It means:
        “I REALLY MEAN THIS. PAY ATTENTION TO ME BECAUSE I REALLY MEAN IT. VALIDATE ME. OH, AND DO WHATEVER IT IS I SAY.”

        It is our obligation to recognize that “all caps” people are important.

        • “Duly constituted local authorities,?” There are none in major cities. There are Dem authoritarians there which tramplevon the rights of Americans. Arm yourselves!

    • I think he thinks all caps confuses the word press spys.
      That’s all I can come up with.

    • Nawth Texas ? is that like Dallas…. or Denton ( both are slums of the lowest order ) and neither are Nawth Texas. but they are where the all caps ‘tards live….

  3. Hopefully not in my lifetime, but I fear it’s coming. It will happen if we ever have another presidential election like the last one, where the fraud was so obvious, many Democrats admit it happened, and admit they were manipulated.

  4. It’s “martial” law, not “marshal.”

    Fight? No. Protect me and mine? Yes. The only side I’m on is mine, with help from a few similar thinking allies.

  5. Can we regulate Baofengs? I’m a ham radio operator, and I’m sick of people thinking that ‘Fengs are walkie talkies.

    But a civil war? Doubt it- J\/\/T hates anyone to the right of him, and would side with the Marxist Antifa. So as long a boomers are that brainwashed by TV, they’ll care more out their poorly-funded 401k.

    The conservative cries out in confusion as he strikes himself.

    #freederekchauvin
    #freekylerittenhouse
    #legalizechristianity

    • Can we regulate Baofengs?

      So regulate the item and not the misuse of the item by a person? You probably support “gun control” as well.

    • Well Ryan, I have no Idea what in the hell a bowel-fag is, but if you wish to regulate them then you should contact Commissar Cho Bai-din, first suckretary of the Democrap Socialist pahty of the United states. Ohh yeah and I got my Ham license back in the Early sixties, Still dunno what in hell a bowel-Fag is.

      • Quick Google will show you he is right and they are being banned because of their ability to be misused.
        In short, a powerful 2 way radio capable of easily transmitting on channels not meant for amateur users thereby increasing garbage radio chatter.

        • Or….
          They are an inexpensive and relatively easy to use communications tool that can be used by communities and individuals in times of emergency.

          Just like guns, there is some training required and rules on what is proper use.

          The reason they are being banned is not as much to misuse as it is that the government does not wish for the average citizen to have that much freedom (uncensored, unfiltered, uncontrolled) direct communications with each other.

        • Ragnar just nailed it… the REAL reason why the tyrants don’t want us to have guns or comms…

  6. In case the author hasn’t noticed, everything in the author’s list already happened last year and this year.. All one has to do is listen to the commie rhetoric coming out of the White House. One would have to be crazy to think it won’t get worse before it gets better. The communist Biden Regime is going to be the cause of a civil war if one starts. And the Biden Regime will be the instigator of it.
    Why are all the guns and ammo flying off the shelves? Communists in the White House, that’s why.

    • Part of the communist plan is to stir up everyone against each other and the government and have us tear everything down for them. This is the hint in the ” build back better ” mantra.

  7. I don’t think there’s any hope for peace. We are being driven to violence by a group every bit as dishonest, murderous and insidious as the old school German fascists.

    The new fascist left inherited their mantle of evil and they will not stop until we preside over modern day Nuremberg style trials.

    There will be a lot of grieving before that day comes.

    • Totalitarian/authoritarian left. Not fascist, by a long shot. If they actually were fascist, they’d be much more tolerable than marxists, which is what they are.

      No offense, but political literacy is not a strong point among conservatives these days. We need to do better.

      • They are fascists. Plain and simple. There is no longer any left or communists. They went so far to the left they’re popping up on the right.

        Look at antifa. They claim to be against fascism but they are nothing more than brown shirts in deed. How many of those businesses that the ‘antifa’ burned and looted this past year were owned by minorities?

        If there was a distiction in modern times between the marxists and the fascists, there are not, they would still be equally intolerable.

        A free nation has no room for either.

        • Fascism and Nazism, by definition, are on the Left. Those are two (slightly different) flavors of socialism, which, also by definition, is on the Left. It is the Left (very successful) attempt to re-brand Fascism and Nazism as being on the Right, but don’t fall for that ploy.

        • They are fascists. The corrupt corporations, corrupt banking system,. corrupt media, and corrupt government are bound together in a vile union of wickedness, deception, and tyranny.

          The empire is collapsing, and hurricane winds of change are upon us. It is prudent to prepare for hard times. The hour is late. Bad times are certainly here, and will get far worse. Look to Jesus Christ, and humble yourself before Him.

        • “Fascism and Nazism, by definition, are on the Left. Those are two (slightly different) flavors of socialism“

          Wealthy German mega corporations like BASF, Bayer, Siemens AG, etc. would be surprised to find out that the Nazis were socialists/communists.

        • Ignore me, I’m off my meds and the voices are back.
          Germans? I talk to Hiltlers ghost all the time.
          The Nazis own BASF, Bayer and Siemens AG.
          I’m going to jump off of a bridge now.
          I will NOT be ignored.

        • Well, if you understood what NAZI stood for, you would realize that they called themselves the National Socialist something or other. Fascists were Italian Black Shirts run by that failed pizza parlor clerk, Benito Mussolini.

        • Nazis, so literally national socialists, members of the national socialist german workers party, are on the left. Authoritarian far left. They only sat on the right side of the german parliament because of the historic seating order that comes from the pauls church national assembly in 1848, and the french parliament before that. There, pro emperor people sat on the right, and Hitler liked the emperor. That’s all. The germans had a different definition of “right” that had nothing to do with individual or economic freedom.
          That being said, a Nazi usually wants a fascist economy instead of outright socialism, he prefers the appearance of a free market – but due to government overregulations and big monopolies you have no real shot at it. Government programs and high taxes, but pretend like the worker gets at least some of the fruits of his labor.
          Sounds familiar? Yeah, the FED and the federal government and big tech send their regards…

      • Political literacy? You, and most people who have bought into the right/left = fascist/communist paradigm, wouldn’t know political literacy if it bit you in the face. (And trust me, at some point in the near future it will.)

        European fascism is an outgrowth of socialism. It may be right-wing in Europe, where everything starts and ends with socialism, but here in the US, *all* socialism is left-wing.

        Also, conservatives (aka “the right”) stand for a government that abides by the Constitution, protects the rights of the individual, and maximizes freedom. By definition, no conservative or libertarian right-wing American can be a fascist, because fascism is a totalitarian ideology.

        The current occupants of the White House and the corporate-fascist Democratic Party absolutely reek of totalitarian ambition, and if you had even the smallest amount of American political literacy, you wouldn’t be uttering nauseating platitudes about about how one oppressive system is “much more tolerable” than the next.

        Get this through your head: Fascism and communism are completely totalitarian, absolutely intolerable, and utterly unacceptable in the US. You’ll do a lot better here once you understand that fact.

        • Yeah, let me just post this again:
          Nazis, so literally national socialists, members of the national socialist german workers party, are on the left. Authoritarian far left. They only sat on the right side of the german parliament because of the historic seating order that comes from the pauls church national assembly in 1848, and the french parliament before that. There, pro emperor people sat on the right, and Hitler liked the emperor. That’s all. The germans had a different definition of “right” that had nothing to do with individual or economic freedom.
          That being said, a Nazi usually wants a fascist economy instead of outright socialism, he prefers the appearance of a free market – but due to government overregulations and big monopolies you have no real shot at it. Government programs and high taxes, but pretend like the worker gets at least some of the fruits of his labor.
          Sounds familiar? Yeah, the FED and the federal government and big tech send their regards…

      • “Totalitarian/authoritarian left.”

        Yes, but I’d say at least half of the common characteristics of fascism are present. The best one is the alignment of corporate and government interests. I find it hilarious because the dim voters think they’re against the wealthy corporations.

        The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

        https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

    • And China is also beating the war drums.

      They are looking for the slightest excuse to be outraged so they can say they were provoked.

      • Taiwan has good reason to fear the PLA…

  8. “…My short answer to the question is: Some may be preparing for a civil war, but I cannot and will not…”

    I don’t see anyone digging fighting positions or welding steel on daily drivers. So perhaps an alternative is that people are preparing for whatever comes their way. Be it a Tornado, flood, or Civil/Class/Economic War. There is nothing wrong in being prepared and everything right in doing so. Not being prepared is up to the individual. Learned Helplessness is a thing especially among city populations.

    It does not matter the reason. Preparing is Preparing for a situation you have no control over and having the best tools to mitigate the danger of said situation.

    The author describes a ‘Civil War’ in all it’s ugliness and states he can not and will not.
    prepare. That’s entirely up to you.

    As for me and mine, we prepare for bad times no matter the reason.

  9. Civil War, no. Civil Unrest, yes. We are fast nearing a breaking point where Antifa or BLM is going to stage a protest with guns, as they already are doing in some areas, and people will get shot. Honest citizens will defend themselves and all hell may break out. The democrats will not reign in their brownshirts calling them only an idea so they will be responsible.

    • The rank and file of BLM are showing great dissatisfaction and splitting off from the national organization, recognizing that they have been lied to an mislead, particularly after the graft of the leadership and its express adoption of Marxist positions that are anathema to most Americans or any race have been revealed. The national organization’s support of the Cuban communist regime over the protests of the population is just the most recent strike against it.
      Meanwhile, Antifa is up armoring.

    • I want to know where Antifa is getting all their ammo? The only crap I get get online would break the budget of your usual rabblerousers.

      • The only crap I get get online would break the budget

        You are evidently using some “exotic” calibers or you’re looking in the wrong places…. .223/5.56 @ 46/60 cents, 9mm under 50 cents, .45 and 10mm still a liitle high but under 70 cents (compared to a dollar plus not that long ago) .22 LR is still stupid high at .25/.50 cents but I don’t shoot .22 that often

    • The author has demonstrated god-level fuddery with their stupid comments about refusing to prepare for a conflict that’s inevitable, and their truly moronic notion that the government will be able to wrest control from the two warring factions and impose draconian control over the nation with sufficient manpower to strip us all of every liberty we cherish. He also ignores the fact that the Bill of Rights is 90% moot already because of people JUST LIKE HIM DOING NOTHING EFFECTUAL TO STOP IT.

      My guess is this guy is not only a fudd, but a RINO to boot. And speaking of boots, what this ahole will do when the day comes is LICK BOOTS.

      • I agree completely. The author lost me when he characterized stockpiling/prepping as hoarding.

        He also indicated we should give peace a chance. Well, if you are dead, then peace has come to you. That does not mean peace has come to your family or to the country.

        It appears the author is older and may be a city dweller. He strikes me as a “better red than dead” type. Now my age is showing.

        The article is really disturbing by the fact the author is advocating acquiescence to the totalitarian left.

        • Yep, makes me wonder if this anonymous ‘contributor’ is Little Quisling Harold from Ammoland. Especially the italicized ‘polite’ discourse comment near the end. Harold Hutchinson is totally cringe with his repeated demands that people POLITELY contact their selected Congressional tyrants and beg for their liberty to be restored…

          As for voting, yeah, I can do that. From the rooftops. Like a motherlovin’ KOREAN!!

        • Don’t even worry about it. The writer of this article refuses to make preparations and likely be the first to die / starve to death.

  10. Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Those who don’t prepare will be among the first to perish.

  11. French demonstrators have already erected a public guillotine and set the president’s house on fire. Americans are behind the curve on this one.

    • We’re still too comfortable. The French, and Europeans in general, are far more repressed than we are. They have been suffering under socialism for decades, though America is catching up.

      All the suburban tw@ts that voted for Biden will suddenly change their minds when they can no longer drive the Mercedes SUV down to Costco to get a few gallons of ice cream to shovel into their fat faces, or when little Ashleigh or Connor burn down the house screaming BLM.

      By then, of course, it’ll be too late.

  12. Being as the country is full of history illiterates who stand for nothing and fall for demoCrap then history is destined to repeat itself.

    Even so called Second Amendment Defenders are all over the map on Gun Control. Like it or not or tired of hearing me say it or not…Until Gun Control is defined for exactly what history confirms it to be and everyone is on the same page Gun Control and all of its baggage lives.

    • The term ‘gun control’ is itself a misnomer. It’s people control, and its purpose is to disarm those whom the gun prohibitionists intend to massacre. Every gun registration act made disarmament possible, and every major gun confiscation inevitably led to genocide.

      If I am wrong, then someone please introduce me to the armed Jew who was sent to a concentration camp, or the college professor who was released by the Khmer Rouge.

      The same Commiecrats that want to disarm you have already publicly said they want and intend to put Trumpers into camps, that Christians have no right to exist, and that in order to end racism, the white race must be exterminated.

      • “have already publicly said they want and intend to put Trumpers into camps, that Christians have no right to exist, and that in order to end racism, the white race must be exterminated”

        What a fascinating and colorful dream world you must live in.

        • What is factually incorrect with his statement?

          Oh, now I see after reviewing your posts. Are you paid to troll?

        • No, he’s just mentally ill.

          He has a habit of posting AFTER the article is done,
          most aren’t going to engage him in his sealioning or strawman posting.
          Just ignore him , yesterday he threatened to go up in a bell tower and shoot people Las Vegas style because he was being ignored.
          Don’t engage with the medicated wackos.

        • Dear Miner:
          Hi, tard! I have the documentary proofs. If image files were supported here, I’d have already posted them. You’re free to STFU now, biotch. Otherwise, I have an open seat on my helo just for you.

  13. The president of United States views deploying the nuclear arsenal on United States soil against United States citizens as a viable step to disarm and suppress the population. An opinion shared by more than 90% of all Democrats.

    Realistically the United States will not balkanize. However hyperinflation will destroy the economy. Massive civil unrest will come about on levels unseen. It’s best to prepare.

    • Bullshit. How will the Dems escape the radiation from the nukes going off? Not even Dems are stupid enough to think nukes deployed on U.S. soil will only kill those on the right.

      • Acceptable collateral damage? They didn’t have a problem with riots and looting so who knows what their limits are?

        • Acceptable to who? Who do you think will be left?

          Riots and looting didn’t touch 99% of the people in the U.S.

          There is no comparing the riots and looting that killed a couple of dozen too nukes that would kill millions.

        • too nukes that would kill millions.

          Hmmmm, ever heard of a “battlefield” tactical nuke?
          A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon is a nuclear weapon which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory.

        • MAXX

          Should’ve been ‘to’. Oops

          I know what tactical nukes are. Even those would be too destructive to use on U.S. soil. Give me an example of a target where these weapons wouldn’t kill thousands on both sides.

          Plus, anyone that believes the military would follow orders to nuke U.S. citizens is a fool.

        • Cato, you are thinking like a rational person. Rational people do not believe in launching a nuke on their own citizens.

          However, many on the left are not rational in the same sense you and I are. Two prominent leftists have made that threat. As far as the military following thru, I doubt it.

        • anyone that believes the military would follow orders to nuke U.S. citizens is a fool.

          First of all anyone who believes those in power give a shit about a couple thousand lives here and there is a fool, and it’s not that hard to get someone to do anything you want… “General, push that button,” “Can’t do that”… quick gunshot to the Generals head…. “Colonel, push that button” “sir yes sir, right away sir”… can’t happen here? bullshit, the government has spent all it’s available resources convincing “Americans” that we are what they are doing, when the time comes we will be seen as the (non-existent) insurrectionists that they say we are… Anyway if you don’t have the time to research the development and “use” of depleted uranium in tactical nukes, I certainly won’t waste my time trying to explain it to you…

        • MAXX

          You have a low opinion of the military and there is more to releasing nukes than saying ‘general, push that button’. Who’s going to shoot the general in the head, Biden?

          I don’t need to cut and paste from Google to discuss how nukes work or how they will not be used on U.S. soil.

          As far as those in power not giving a shit about a couple of thousand people here and there. Are you really that fucking stupid to believe that the people in power will remain in power after killing thousands or millions of U.S. citizens?

        • @ Cato. If they said it, they’ll consider it, human nature.

          So basically @RepSwalwell wants a war. Because that’s what you would get. You’re outta your fucking mind if you think I’ll give up my rights and give the gov all the power.

          And it would be a short war my friend. The government has nukes. Too many of them. But they’re legit. I’m sure if we talked we could find common ground to protect our families and communities.
          — Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) November 16, 2018

          and Creepy Joe says…
          “Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government,” Biden said. “If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.”

        • Manse

          So, you believe Swalwell will get the military to nuke the U.S.

          That is stunningly fucking stupid.

        • @Cato

          “If they said it, they’ll consider it, human nature.” As I said and I agree that it would be stupid. Having spent 23 years in uniform, 10 of that in Echelon above Corps, I believe there are plans sitting on a shelf somewhere for just that eventuality. To believe otherwise is hopelessly naïve.

        • I give up.

          Manse and MAXX convinced me I’m about to get nuked. Since Strategic Command at Offutt AFB is about 10 miles from my house there may be an issue with nuclear yield. Hopefully they’ll use one of those tiny tac nukes made of depleted uranium MAXX knows about from Google and everyone else will be okay. Most of my neighbors are Dems, except Larry-the-gun-nut who lives two houses down. Maybe they can launch a mini depleted uranium tac nuke ICBM (inter city ballistic missile) with dual MiRV capability to take me and Larry out at the same time.

          Dave and Joanie are libs that live between me and Larry, Joanie has cancer so maybe the extra radiation with be helpful. If not, they’ll be collateral damage that no one gives a shit about.

          Gotta go start building my bomb shelter before Swalwell and/or Biden nuke my ass.

          Bye.

        • @Cato. Nice strawman you got there and conflating subjects…wow!

          Why did those two say what they did if they never considered it? Answer=because they have thought about it. Now making that happen is a different subject but I can think of several scenarios where nukes might be used.

      • Yeah, the “progressive” left is crazy, but they’re not nuke-their-own-country insane. They want to profit from the destruction and chaos they cause, and nobody can profit from a couple million vaporized people.

      • “Not even Dems are stupid enough to think nukes deployed on U.S. soil will only kill those on the right.”

        One *tiny* detail the Leftists seem to be forgetting –

        The vast majority of those weapons are based in ‘flyover country’.

        The ones that aren’t are deployed on the soil of NATO-allied countries or near Navy submarine bases…

      • That is stunningly fucking stupid.

        So ALL you have is sarcasm and personal attack (pretty big on the “stunningly fucking stupid” thing) you lost your argument the moment you went there…

    • corona26 or something else
      the illuminati involved world wide not need weapon destroy building water agriculture vaccine some shot not work pick and choose deaths

    • “The president of United States views deploying the nuclear arsenal on United States soil against United States citizens as a viable step to disarm and suppress the population“

      Pure propaganda, you are just stoking outrage in order to authorize criminal acts.

  14. “We become better informed and make better decisions when we vote”

    If the last ten months has taught us anything, it’s that your vote is irrelevant…..Makes me want to puke when I hear people say, well, at least our guy isn’t as bad as their guy…..Really?…So vote for the person who is a garbage person but not as much as the other garbage person?….

    • The other alternative is?

      We become better informed and make better decisions when we vote”

      It would be a wonderful world if that were true unfortunately there are more uninformed voters today than ever before that just vote for the letter behind the guys name instead of actually researching the guy…

      • Not sure what the alternative is. Nearly every supposed “conservative” has turned out to be just that, supposedly. The GOP simply looks out for their corporate interests. Term limits is a good start. But that will never happen as that would threaten the entirety of the beltway and their hold on power, regardless of party. When it comes to voting for “the lesser of two evils”, I’ll just stay home. Research on the individual is fine and should be done, but, look at all the people we really had hope for and what they turned out to be. And even if you do get one really good person in, if they have no support and they have nothing going on but fighting the swamp the whole time. Yep, term limits would be awesome and somewhat of a band-aid to the travesty we currently have.

        • “Yep, term limits would be awesome…”

          How so? We already have term limits for elected representatives; elections. How, exactly, do you expect an additional set of term limits will change the game? The very voters who keep politicians in office term-after-term, will simply elect new representatives who are carbon copies of the politicians limited out.

        • term limits would be awesome and somewhat of a band-aid to the travesty we currently have.

          You are asking these people to vote themselves out of a cushy $175,000.00 a year part time job? NOT going to happen… Requirements like being knowledgeable on the Constitution would be a start (yeah a civics test) that would also prove that they can actually read and comprehend… how about session limits? A couple of months a year to do a budget and get the hell out, 535 men,women and its sitting around with nothing to do but make shit up and go to parties is a dangerous scenario and do away with ALL lobbying period… An honesty clause, allowing anyone not being true to their promises to be removed from office would stop a lot of lying dirtbags… But mostly start teaching “real” history in schools and stop all this racial bullshit… If there is a “civil” conflict in this country it will not be black Vs. white it will be ideological with people of ALL races on BOTH sides….

    • Especially when your vote doesn’t even count anymore unless it’s for a democrat. I won’t be voting at all anymore. Not letting dominion alter my vote

      • I know many including myself that 100% convinced that as long as dominion and the left are running things that there will never be another “election”. People had to retract any talk of malfeasance by Dominion or get hit with BILLION dollar lawsuits.
        If you aren’t up yo NO GOOD then what’s with BILLION dollar lawsuits?
        If was to sue someone for BILLIONS then I’m likely up to no good.
        By suing for BILLIONS I’m trying to scare people off because my company and I are done when they find out that my product was rigged to change my vote.

        • Voting is a test.
          The people still believe.
          However I still vote, “Morales Good Sir!” -Not-

  15. To be repetitive, redundant, pedantic and generally unpleasant….

    A new civil war would be Civil War 3. A revolution is a civil war. A civil war is a revolution. Thus, “The Revolution” was civil war 1. The War for Southern Independence is/was Civil War 2.

    While dazzled by the prospect of a third civil war, attention is diverted from the inevitable devolution into tribalism in the US. It is more likely we will see ethnic raids, than a full on attempt to overthrow the federal (or state) government.

      • “War of Northern Aggression.
        FIFY”

        Actually, South Carolina was the aggressor; firing on Ft. Sumpter. Pierre Toutant-Beauregard ensured no political solution was possible (if a political solution was ever likely).

        • Would not keeping an armed, operational fortress in the middle of another country’s largest harbour, on what is now the sovereign soil of that other country, be sort of, ah, ‘aggressive’? How about maintaining that armed, operational fortress in the middle of that other country’s harbour and then sending a supply vessel to it in order to assure that it remained armed and operational, as a constant threat to that other country’s commerce?

          I suspect that if Mr. Lincoln had assured South Carolina that Fort Sumpter would be evacuated, its guns spiked and its personnel removed on the Star of the West on January 9, 1861, April 12th would’ve been another quiet springtime day.

    • Not so.

      A civil war is a war for control of a government. Both 1776 and 1861 were attempts to secede from the existing government, not take it over.

      If America has a civil war in the future, it will be Civil War I.

      • “A civil war is a war for control of a government. Both 1776 and 1861 were attempts to secede from the existing government, not take it over.”

        A civil war is when people of the nation take up arms against each other; as it always has been. This applies to both 1776 and 1861.

        Definition of civil war
        “: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country”
        (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civil%20war)

  16. ” stop amassing huge private arsenals of ammunition ”

    Why? If none of this comes to pass, the worst that will happen will be you sitting on several lifetimes worth of ammo.

    However– if the shit does hit the fan – a more likely scenario – you’re likely going to need every round you can find.

    • Or, at the very least you’ll be well prepared for “Chipmonks” Zombie Apocalypse”…

    • And what if, for whatever reason, it’s no longer available? We’ve had a hint of that this past year. Who is to say it won’t happen again, and possibly be permanent?

      • “And what if, for whatever reason, it’s no longer available?”

        You improvise, choosing firearms initially chambered in black powder, like .38 Special and .45-70, for example. Others are out there, as well.

        Primers are a bit tougher, improvised priming compounds are available in ingredient powders. Wet, mix, dry and use. They are corrosive, so meticulous firearm cleaning after firing is a must.

        Bullets will be no problem, old car batteries are available and wheel weights at tire changing stores are out there…

        • “Bullets will be no problem, old car batteries are available and wheel weights at tire changing stores are out there…”

          With sufficient skill, and a modicum of ammo, one can obtain possession of the ammunition formerly owned by other persons…..according to what I have heard.

    • One could argue that “amassing huge private arsenals of ammunition” and arms is the embodiment of patriotic citizens doing their civic duty by personally investing in the future of our Constitutional Republic. One could even liken it to purchasing self-insured “Civil War Bonds” of a sorts.

      What could be better than stimulating our economy and supporting American industry by buying American-made arms and ammunition at record levels (especially during a pandemic)? And in so doing, not only are we investing in America- we’re investing in each of our own individual, personal security. Talk about “out of many, one”.

      It is the epitome of self-governance, self-reliance, and forward-thinking preparedness to act accordingly. When civil society teeters on the brink of collapse, what items have a greater value than food, arms, and ammunition? Exactly. And since the survivors do the rebuilding- it’s those planning on surviving that are preparing for this conceivable conflict prudently.

      Just seems like the American way to me. America is the people- not the government.

      • Well said. Put the way you ust articulated, it is clear to me that the author is a world-class RINO of a FUDD.

    • And when you are forced to bail out of the place that holds that mountain of ammo….you can weep about it.

      Don’t get me wrong I have enough ammo, to the point that I will not be taking all of it, if I am forced to leave for one of many reasons.

  17. I think this vision of war is some what near-sighted. A crap ton of violence can go down and people still function normally. We have recent history of a top-tier, first-world nation that has gone through this (still is to some extent) and society did not grind to a stand still: “The Troubles” in Northern Ireland.

    This was an international conflict BTW as some of the fighting took place in the Republic of Ireland, GB, but also spilled into mainland Europe. It was very much sporadic and somewhat localized. Like most sectarian violence, the bombings and assassination were carried out by a relatively small number of people. I would expect the same if such a thing happened here.

    Nations press on during some serious unrest. Heck, GB fought a couple of wars on the other side of the globe while it had an insurgency in its own borders. All the while holding on to vast amounts of far-flung territory. Even during the U.S. Civil War, many parts of the North and the Far West experienced business as usual. Maybe its just the Irish being stubborn but many sectarian parades and gatherings took place during the worst of the fighting.

    My advice would be stay out of the American versions of Derry and Belfast. You know – Chicago, Baltimore, and most of California. Still its with a heavy heart that I state that I am pretty sure we will have our own versions of Bloody Sunday and Bloody Friday.

      • Portland and Seattle are not rough; just pencil-necked white bois who know they have a pass in their cities and wouldn’t last five minutes down South. St. Louis, Oakland, D.C., Memphis, Newark, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Compton, and several others have areas on a par with Chicago/Baltimore. Portland/Seattle only looks tough because they’re allowed free reign.
        And I’d put a well-selected group of welders, pipefitters, brick layers, factory workers, longshoremen, roofers, diesel mechanics and farm boys against the lot of ’em.

  18. No matter how ugly a picture you paint of it, it’s coming. You can either make ready to ride out and face it, or stand by and wait for it to roll over you. For now, you’re still a free American and the choice is yours. For now.

  19. The first thing we must do to avoid a civil war or massive civil unrest is demand that our elected officials actually honor their oath to support and defend the constitution and the Rule of Law. No more judicial activism or skirting around the Bill of Rights, either.

    Citizens must become educated about the Founder’s design of our Constitutional Republic and the historical background that brought them to create the form of government that they did.

    Every time I hear someone in the media refer to “our democracy” or “freedom”, I cringe.

    We do not have a democracy, we have (or did have) a Constitutional Republic. We do not have freedom, we have liberty. Liberty is freedom with responsibility and is unalienable. Freedom alone is without responsibility and is something granted by an earthly authority.

    • …And you think that politicians and the Operation Mockingbird media don’t know the diff between Democracy & Republic?? No, that repetitive mention of democracy is deliberate and calculated to reinforce a BIG LIE just as Herr Goebbels explained.

    • “..demand that our elected officials actually honor their oath to support and defend the constitution and the Rule of Law.”

      OK, sure, I demand it!

      • There’s power (political and otherwise) in numbers.

        You will need to put some large numbers behind that demanding it!

        Where I grew up, when we didn’t like what our city councilman or the city government did in our neighborhood, we’d all get together and get the city councilman in a meeting and tell him in no uncertain terms (and with our usual threats of violence) what we wanted and he would deliver or be gone in the next election (or sooner). We got what we damanded every single time.

        Of course, in our neighborhood, we didn’t use firearms or kill people but we made good use of aluminum baseball bats. We didn’t take any crap from anybody. We even made the local police precinct commander tow the line.

  20. That’s really cute, you act like we have a choice… THEY are the ones looting and burning businesses, THEY are the ones “defunding” local law enforcement, THEY are the ones assaulting/threatening/killing innocent people, blocking streets and Interstates and commandeering whole sections of city downtown areas and they are the ones that have determined that every WHITE person in America is a “privileged” racist that needs to be exterminated… Sound about right so far? When Barrack Obama said “we are just two days away from the COMPLETE transformation of America” my radar went berserk, the next day I started a gun and ammo shopping spree that lasted eight years, I took him at his word and I was right and now when I hear “WHITE” people must die” and “kill ALL WHITE people” I take THEM at their word, this started in 1992 and has been rumbling under the surface ever since with small eruptions from time to time but now it is beginning to boil over and it won’t take too much more pressure to blow the lid off the whole damn thing… My stuff is clean, lubed, locked and loaded… I won’t fire the first shot but I’ll goddamn sure do my best to be there to fire one of the last… The rest of that crap is incidental, city folks get hungry they’ll eat their own before they venture out into the country and those that do won’t survive long enough to have an impact… Sounds like an opportunity for depopulation to me, too many people out there anyway… I have food and ammo to last a lifetime with hunting, fishing and farming skills and my little getaway has an unimpeachable spring fed underground water supply and is far enough away from “civilization” and high enough in the mountain that it could take any outsiders years to stumble across me… As Mr. Garrison said “Fuk em ALL, fuk em all to death”… Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler, how did that work out for him? “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” (George Santayana: The Life of Reason: Reason in Common Sense) , good luck with your “appeasement”…

    • “…THEY are the ones assaulting/threatening/killing innocent people…”

      And they think they’re righteous for doing so. Even Darth Vader thought he was the good guy.

      • It’s within the character of very few to wantonly commit a great evil. The great evils of history are oft made manifest by a multitude being convinced to each commit a small evil for the sake of advancing a “greater good”.

  21. A civil war requires opposing armies. There will be no such things. But there will be plenty of civil unrest. Just like in 2020. When the police where ordered to stand down. And the Libertarians Liberals and the Left all agreed on that. They are comfortable with random or organized arson. Because they don’t support protecting private property. No deadly force allowed.
    Very few Liberals have guns. They trust government. And if they have “a” gun, they don’t have much ammo for it. Liberals are new to this game.

    • I think you’re on the right track here.

      Anybody that hopes for a civil war is a fecking moron. For one thing, the author is right that a civil war would be a complete, unmitigated disaster, from which nothing good could possibly emerge. And all-out war isn’t going to happen. The would-be combatants are too intermixed and atomized, and neither side has anything like an army.

      Civil unrest, and maybe a real insurgency…or several…are almost inevitable. Heck, there’s already a leftist insurgency going on that the government refuses to recognize (and some of the government even supports it, or at least hopes to profit from it).

      Preparing for a civil war type of scenario, though, actually makes good sense. Preparing for one doesn’t mean you *want* one. And those preparations will be very useful in the civil unrest and localized violence that is actually likely to happen.

      Shortages of food and other items are likely as the economic and political situation continues to deteriorate, so I’ve got a couple/three months worth of just about everything in the basement storage room. And I’m continuing to “hoard” ammunition because I want to get to the point where I can practice (and generally just have fun shooting) without worrying that I won’t be able to replace what I’ve used.

    • Don’t rope the libertarians into the left or right bullshit us true libertarians want to be left alone and if I’m not that’s the other guys problem any left right or libertarian mainstream media is a bunch of bullshit

    • Actually, many liberals own or use guns now. In 2017 23% of liberals owned guns, as of May 2021 41% of liberals either own guns or have borrowed guns to carry (especially women) or live in a household where someone owns a gun that they also use (carry). As of February 2021 27% of liberals who did not yet own guns were contemplating purchasing a gun. 18% of gun stores in the U.S. (not the large retail chains) are owned and operated by liberals and cater to liberals.

      • To quote a movie: “Did you ever see a match-grade round traveling three thousand feet per second go through a window?”
        “Nobody does.”

        Let the liberals arm up and spend stupid amounts on ammo and pink guns.
        In the end it’s just more guns, parts and ammo for the right.
        “Look, a Glock 19 with about 50 rounds through it.” Cool.

        A liberal carrying a handgun in a fanny pack or purse that takes 30 seconds to present isn’t really much of a threat to most armed conservatives BUT you reap what you sow.
        “Please don’t shoot me”.
        Let me think about it – boom.
        Get Karen or Biffs gun, ammo and gold.

  22. Civil War 2.0 would be the bloodiest in human history. It isntbsomething to wish for, for sure. Peaceful separation between left and right is what I advocate for.

    • How are you going to achieve that? The Leftists believe it is perfectly fine to shoot anyone who stands in their way. Are you going to give them the Left Coast and the North East? Do you think they won’t tax you into oblivion and take your home when you can’t pay? They are already remaking the schools you pay for into re-education camps teaching Critical Race Theory, and teaching your kids to turn you in for not clicking your heels and saluting the New American Flag.

      Peaceful isn’t what we will get from the New Socialists!

        • That’s a good article, but it doesn’t say anything about how a separation could work. In fact, I think it says separation isn’t the way to go at all.

          The side of this conflict that actually improves life for the large, mushy middle is likely to win. Both sides of this existential question claim to be about improving life for Americans — but only one side can win. And although the other side has historically had Middle America eating out of its hand, and still has a huge communication advantage, the truth is that they’re making everyone but themselves miserable and that the more power they get, the worse life is for most Americans.

          The author makes a great point in that ours is the only side in this ideological conflict that actually *can* make life in America better for everyone, and that it’s the key to victory.

          As the lunatic left continues to go bonkers and spread hatred and unrest, it may be that all we on the American “not-left” (conservatives, libertarians, whatever we call ourselves) have to do to win is to position ourselves as the most reasonable alternative to the destruction. We don’t destroy anyone’s comfort or prosperity. We’re the ones who will help normal Americans prosper through the fruit of their own labor (as most people want to do), and if (when?) that becomes apparent, the left’s fate is sealed.

      • “The Leftists believe it is perfectly fine to shoot anyone who stands in their way.”

        Believing and doing are two different things. So far we have had no organized, sanctioned shootings from the officials on the left. Lots of crime and maybe you can argue that, but it’s not coordinated in any real way.

    • There wouldn’t be an easy divorce. There would be a fight over resources. There aren’t really red states and blue states. There are mostly just large blue cites, smaller red cities, and red rural areas.

  23. I fully expect the pearl clutching to begin when white people waving rainbow flags and throwing fire bombs get shot.

    • You know that YOU are the liberal right? The way you equate the phony “Libertarian” party with real libertarian philosophy. You are a big government-lover cheering for tyranny. Boot-licker. Read a book once in your life for fuck’s sake. I guarantee that I’m not the only one sick of your constant, ignorant, and repetitive idiocy polluting this website.

      • Eh… Chris T. does have a bit of an irrational grudge against libertarians, but he’s not entirely wrong about them. I would say “us,” but I usually avoid the label because I won’t associate with the large number (possibly the majority) of so-called libertarians who are merely mush-brained hedonists.

        Any libertarian worth his salt fully believes that looters should be shot in the face, and no one who supports liberty in any way would ever voluntarily associate with the repellent American left — which means that at least half of the people who call themselves libertarians aren’t what they claim to be, and are worthy only of derision. And on that I’m in full agreement with him.

        • to Ing, Congratulations!
          You have become a moderating influence on me. Yes there are some Libertarians who actually believe in Freedom and the responsibility that goes with it. When I see your comments I try to remind myself of that. Before I start typing about something about the Libertarians that bothers me.

          As far as I’m concerned the year 2020 was a very disappointing one for Libertarians and their libertarian philosophy. They seem to have flushed down the toilet the teachings of Ludwig Von Mises and the Austrian School of Economics education. I have not read much of Mises work. But I think I have read enough to know that his thinking was the right way to go. For a better world.

          What made the early United States so different from the rest of the world was the idea of individual property rights for the Common Man. That way of thinking seems to have been lost by so many in this country.

        • “Any libertarian worth his salt fully believes that looters should be shot in the face, and no one who supports liberty in any way would ever voluntarily associate with the repellent American left — which means that at least half of the people who call themselves libertarians aren’t what they claim to be”

          Well said, sir! This is a great time to be alive if you truly value truth! It’s pretty easy to find if you have the fortitude to do so and, love him or hate him, Trump ripped the mask off so many pretenders on all sides…

        • Most self proclaimed “libertarians” are as much libertarian as someone claiming to be a vegan who eats cheesy steak and eggs every morning. The mistake Chris T and many others make when they spit on the ideology is essentially a straw man. It’s a philosophy, not a party platform, and a fairly absolutist one at that. If you claim to be a libertarian but only support some malum prohibitum laws, or you don’t support private property or violent defense of self/property, you’re not one. Period, full stop

        • I’m glad to hear it, Chris. 🙂 You had a role in making me think harder about whether libertarianism really was what it claimed to be (and whether I could accurately call myself one), so it goes both ways.

          As Red in CO says, most people who claim the name have mistaken a party platform and personal comfort for the philosophy, and don’t have the slightest understanding of the principles it entails. It’s too bad, because a credible (real) libertarian movement could contribute to more freedom, liberty, and prosperity for everybody.

      • Wasting your time trying to explain it to Chris. He is one of those self hating Repuicans who honestly does not realize he is the problem. He also has some tendencies to the gay side which somewhat explains his self hatred.

    • You are soft and plump like a baby doe, right? It’s easy to tell from all your blustering bullshit. The government is always telling you just the tip? You are statist liberal scum.

    • You are soft and plump like a baby doe, right? It’s easy to tell from all your blustering bullshit. The government is always telling you just the tip? Statist liberal scum.

  24. I would not say it is a civil war that some people are preparing for. It is not a geographic area against another geographic area, such as North vs South. It more like our Revolutionary War. You do not know the person that is on your side and no clear geographic lines of support. That is what our Revolutionary War was like. It will be more like a Revolutionary War not knowing who the enemy is until the shooting starts because the enemy will be shooting at you.

  25. I do not believe this country will fall into a full civil war, but we will see continued riots sparked by BLM/Antifa/Leftists egged on by leftistist Democrats who will continue to divert LE funding to whatever communist inspired project they think will buy them more votes. There will be some outflow from cities responding to the riots and the massive crime spikes delivered by local district attornies looking for some Soros money by turning criminals lose with no bail, but the crime will mostly stay confined to the large cities unless we have a full on currency collapse.

    • WHEN our economy collapses the dollar will be useless.
      It is being propped up now with what HW Bush called voodoo economics.
      There is NO safety net, it’s not like the feds can cut the prime rate.
      It will take one horrible day of a selloff in the stock market to start a collapse.
      Within a week the economy will collapse. Be prepared.

      • We just blew through more money than we spent on WW1 & 2 combined with nothing to show for it other than inflation, supply issues, and a worker shortage. So what’s the plan going ahead? More crazy spending like we’ve never seen in the history of the world! 🤪 Sooner or later, the bill always comes due.

  26. Last night I had a discussion on the phone with a friend who moved to another state in 1999.
    I asked him if he ever heard of PMC X-TAC.
    I told him I was scoring 1000 rounds @ 46 cents shipped.
    He asked where and do they have .308?
    He also asked what happened to my Federal stash of 5.56 and .308?
    I told him I still have 90% of it but you have to get out and practice (train).
    I have 1000 rounds of this X-Tac coming along with another 200 rounds of HSTs.
    Inside of 300 yards the 5.56, past that .308 and for close encounters handguns.
    We have a bug out property set up pretty well in a different state.
    I have a Jeep XJ with a Chevy small block and some reinforcements to it.
    It has a 30 gallon fuel tank and some door and lift gate plating.
    We started planning this when Obama got “elected”.

    • I have a Jeep XJ with a Chevy small block and some reinforcements to it.
      It has a 30 gallon fuel tank and some door and lift gate plating.

      Mine is a “stolen recovery” H2 with Cummins diesel, 6-speed and lots of internal plating w two 30 gal tanks, cage, run flat/flotation tires, a relocated radiator and “stuff”

      • My only problem would be landmines, It was a bitch to get the XJ to run at high speeds with the “stuff” up front. Do you have a snorkel?

        • Do you have a snorkel?

          Yep (intake and exhaust), built mine for torque It’ll run 60 on the open road but burns fuel like a Semi at speed, low RPM big grunt, it will climb a wall till it rolls over on it’s roof and can pull over two tons…

        • “Awesome that you both recognize that you need the ability to go where other vehicles can’t.”

          Give a serious look a a *quality* mountain bike with (highly) puncture-resistant tires.

          The tires cost about 50-60 dollars each, but won’t leave you walking it home with a flat…

        • Give a serious look a a *quality* mountain bike….

          My mountain bike is an old Sportster with a built engine, an extended swing arm, knobbies and a 5 1/2 gal fuel tank… My pedaling days went away a long time ago with my hips and my back…

        • I’ve got my Lambourfeetie, no gas, no tires, 4 feetie drive, tail winch, able to climb trees, mountains and cross raging rivers.

    • “Inside of 300 yards the 5.56, past that .308 and for close encounters handguns.”

      You and I think alike, friend, though I also have a cheap pump shotgun for the close encounters.

    • I live on my bug-out property way back in the woods where nobody goes without damn good reason. With my family all within five miles, I could start tomorrow and never need a thing from now on. Everything we need, we can grow it, shoot it, build it, eat it, skin it, hook it, filet it, trap it, snatch it, hatch it, catch it, pick it, smoke it, burn it, bury it, store it, dig it up, raise it, name it.
      A country boy can survive.

        • Salt? Sugar? Shoes?

          Of the three SALT is the only thing you actually need and it occurs naturally in the ground, track a deer long enough and you’ll find a natural Sodium Chloride deposit (animals require it too) and you can use the deer hide to make those SHOES….

        • WELL aware that Hank Jr did a tune expounding on the survival skills of the “Country Boy” but simply knowing HOW to survive does not color the complete picture… Not only CAN I do all that stuff (born in the 40s on a farm in Ky) TO survive, I WILL survive…

  27. I don’t fear a civil war. Why? WWIII is already here with world governments in collusion with one another to take down the world population through plandemics and poisonous rape needles. It’s the governments to fear, not the common every day folks. The 2nd Amendment is the only thing that is giving them pause now to fully execute their ultimate plan. Our Constitutional Republic is all but gone now, since the fix is in with the lost of credible elections. Elections are held now just to make you believe that you are still in control. You are not. It will not be a civil war where two sides of citizens square off against each other. It will be everyone on their own losing their humanity fighting one another to try and stay alive. This is why people are buying guns and hoarding ammo.

  28. One of the problems with the Libertarians Liberals in the Left is that they’re always looking for a “Monster”. And they believed they found “a monster” in Ferguson Missouri. But “hands up don’t shoot” didn’t happen. And to this day they still blame an innocent white police officer, for the self-defense shooting of Micheal Brown.

    Now Years later “hands up don’t shoot” protest signs are sprinkle all over Antifa and other Anti police protests.
    And what’s interesting is that those same people who believe cops are evil. Don’t want private property owners to shoot to kill, to protect what they have.

    Michael Brown was a shoplifter. Just like the shoplifters in San Francisco. Who were enabled by the Libertarians Liberals and the Left who supported proposition 47 in California. That raised the amount of money to be considered a misdemeanor theft to $950.

    The Libertarians Liberals and the Left beginning setting the stage for civil unrest in the United States years ago.

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      The Libertarians Liberals and the Left began setting the stage for civil unrest in the United States years ago.