As predicted by, well, anyone with any knowledge of gun politics and the Congressional sausage making process, House Speaker Paul Ryan announced that he’s pulled the SHARE Act — a measure that would have greatly de-regulated suppressors — off the table.
From cnbc.com:
House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday said Republicans have no scheduled plan to vote on a bill that would ease rules on gun silencers, in the wake of the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.
Reports had suggested the House could vote on the National Rifle Association-backed legislation, known as the SHARE Act, soon.
“That bill is not scheduled now,” Ryan told reporters. “I don’t know when it’s going to be scheduled.”
If you’ll remember, the Hearing Protection Act was scheduled come before a House committee on June 15. However, on the 14th, James Hodgkinson opened fire on a group of GOP legislators practicing for the annual Congressional baseball game. The HPA was then shelved.
The momentum behind the already controversial firearms bill appeared to sag after the deadly shooting. A hearing on the bill was previously delayed this summer when a shooter opened fire at a congressional baseball practice, severely wounding House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.
Ryan on Tuesday said the House’s immediate priority is passing its fiscal 2018 budget.
The SHARE Act, cast as a bill to help hunters, includes provisions to ease restrictions on buying silencers and making it harder for regulators to classify some types of ammunition as “armor-piercing.” Gun control advocates have opposed the bill.
And so it goes.
More data mining? Will said data mining be used to determine who can or can’t own a gun? I can see it now…. “If you regularly post in the comment sections of more than 2 gun websites in a given week, then you are an extremist and the Confiscation Storm Troopers will be….” And then your freaking front door blows off the hinges
Kinda like losing a cup of blood every day. Soon, there will be nothing left and the body dies.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” – ben franklin
So all the DNC has to do to push their agenda is to have one of their pet psychos commit an act of domestic terrorism? Way to give that wacko berniebro nut job exactly what he wanted.
The liberal retards that interviewed his press secretary were told time and time again that any discussion on GUN CONTROL NOW was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! So any BS rumors, allegations and such are strictly the false creation of the media! Nothing is to be believed or taken with a grain of salt!
Are you kidding?? -.-
“Silencers” God I hate Journalists….
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
And here i thought he came into office as an anti-government Tea Party candidate Seems he was just a politician after all. People should bombard his office with emails in protest. Not that it would do any good, mind you, but hopefully he’d get the message. I don’t thkn the NRA is going to do anything.
This massacre had NOTHING to do with silencers, and the shooter having a silencer would have changed NOTHING. The attack, as always and as expected, s being manipulated to enact anti-gun laws that have no relevance to the incident in question except for “the optics.”
But of course we carve out a nice fat exemption for law enforcement, right? They are better than the average citizen right? Then who protects us from corrupt LEO’s? Trust you, you say? Hahahaaa
What a f#cking idiot. Sadly at least half of the folks we send to Capitol Hill would say the same thing.
No obvious political ties? Like when someone doesn’t have a big online social media presence, and the press can’t label them within a couple of hours? Is there a timeframe or other criteria used to determine whether political ties are obvious? Inquiring minds want to know! It’s pretty early for those kind of pronouncements, even from a has-been sports reporter.
These guys should be thanking God daily that they are full of crap. If they weren’t full of crap, the people they hate would have killed them a long time ago.
“Let me preface what I’m about to say, so the civil libertarians understand what I’m saying, I believe the number one civil right is to be free from harm.”
I agree, Mr. Commissioner.
The ‘Boston Marathon’ bombers learned how to make their bomb from the terrorist magazine PDF named ‘Inspire’ they found on the internet.
If the police were aware a terrorist instruction manual was “in the wrong hands”, the 3 people killed, and 16 people maimed for life with arms or legs BLOWN OFF forever.
Remember, Mr. Commissioner, “the number one civil right is to be free from harm.”.
If the police were provided a list of every web page, every IP address of EVERY American on a regular basis, that tragedy may never of happened. LIVES would be saved. People would still have their arms and legs today!
After all, if you’re not doing anything *wrong* online, you have nothing to worry about, RIGHT?
Tell us when your representative will introduce the “Keep Americans Safe Act of 2017” please?
According to congress.gov, H.R.3688 only has five co-sponsors.
Between Trump the New York Liberal and Ryan, people who believe in the Bill Of Rights as worded need to seriously consider voting Libertarian. This bill was on a 2nd Amendment wish list for over a year, the Republicans had nine months of majority rule and now we have nothing.
That should be BARSONY.
I’ve got one similar for a 38 snubbie. It is comfy.
Good stuff at a very affordable price.
It’s just like the BS we’re spoon fed about not taking a machete to the ANTIFA and BLM terrorists because we “HAVE TO support the First Amendment ESPECIALLY when someone says something we don’t agree with”.
ALL the MF’s out there have to support the SECOND AMENDMENT
E S P E C I A L L Y
when some stupid MF abuses their right.
Tracing guns used in crimes IS very helpful to police. They can actually connect a gun used in one crime to a gun used in another crime, evidence that the criminal is a criminal. Police can trace a gun owned by a suspect to a crime the suspect thought he/she was too clever to get caught doing. Police can then use that information to connect the suspect and family members to murders for hire, or extortion, or drugs. Saw it all on television about police and prosecutors. Can’t put anything on television that is not true. FCC says so.
To B the bull crapper
Quote———————-Really? Lobbing subsonic .223 and .308 600 yards (stopping every few minutes to swap super heated silencers between rifles) would have caused more deaths compared to his hour of raining unimpeded supersonic rounds? That’s absolutely ridiculous and shows how little you know of sustained fire.————————
I have used silencers with real machine guns not bump fired guns. And yes they get hot as I have used them with full power rounds also. And I have fired them with high capacity magazines. The nut case had multiple weapons there and even if one did overheat he simply had to grab another one and keep on firing. He could have easily fired off a 60 rounds with a silencer even if he only would have had just one gun and considering the fact that the ammo he used was probably full metal jacketed those 60 rounds could have penetrated more than one person with each shot causing well over 100 casualties. There are a lot of other variables as well such as outside air temperature which if cooler would have enabled him to fire off even more than 60 rounds. With just two weapons we double the amount of ammo down range but remember the last report I heard he had something like 17 weapons in the room with him.
The article states that the ATF is actively contacting departments and asking them to submit traces that the departments don’t seem to be important.
IMHO this move negates any credibility of future claims that an increase translates into an increase in gun crime.
On the bright side if they’re too busy tracing guns they don’t have time to think up the next fast and furious or a sting using mentally challenged people.
And if I happen to state my disagreement with this policy on social media? Well then I guess I have to give up that freedom also, cause it’s that time. What a lovely little tin pot fascist POS.
Within 6 minutes people in floor below were reporting shooter on 32 floor, no suppressor would reduced a supersonic round enough to miss that. Where were the police/armed security for the next hour that could have stopped this? Reminds me of the delays at the Pulse. Should have ended within 20 minutes, if he had been robbing the casino he would have been dropped in 5 minutes
Considering Keith Olbermann lives in NY, he just broke the “New York Defamation Law”. NRA needs to press charges, then take it to a civil court.
His statement shouldn’t fall under the “Privileges and Defenses” section.
I’m not sure how any of what he proposed would help except for looking at social media. And frankly, you’re putting it up on social media, and not restricting it, then you’ve made it public and therefore I don’t get what sort of violation it would be. The Israelis have been using social media to develop profiles of potential attackers that has allowed them to intervene before attacks. If its out there in public doma8n, why shouldn’t we do the same.
…which is exactly why certain organizations will not deal with the media. They aren’t necessarily going to tell the whole story/truth regardless of what you show them. And you may just give them enough material to stab you in the back.
Let them whine. You can’t stop the signal. Humans have a seemingly innate ability to invent workarounds every time you tell them you can’t do something.
“… the number one civil right is to be free from harm.” But when the victim of a violent crime defends himself against his assailant, Safir and his minions try their best to punish him for injuring his assailant. Such hypocrisy.
JUST watched the CBS report. Fair enough. Very short retort from RF…”range toy” and “not practical”. Pretty even handed for hack media…
Saw it. Comments disappear. Fix your SITE!!!
Some might argue that my combined experience and education regarding the mentally ill would prove my expertise very relevant. Vetting the documented-mentally ill is morally reprehensible given its potential to not only strip those who are undeserving of their second amendment rights being revoked, but the mere fact that it I should one more way for big brother to take your number My state in particular submitted the names of over 100,000 individuals who’s involuntary commitments ranged from a few days to months. Statistically, those who suffer from a mental illness are not really anymore of a threat to society than anybody else. Of course you don’t need to hand a 44 caliber over to the derelict yelling at his reflection in the store window.. but so many young adults face identity crisis end up getting committed from parents who are at their wits end. While some states have a way of restoring rights, the odds that you will ever get your rights back are slim to none. What society should be looking out for is the sociopath, the individual with no record and often times ruthlessly successful, while many are not feelings devoid humans, they go undetected. Also those who adhere to radical cults as well… the main point being is that the second amendment shall not be infringed, either above or under the table. Those of us who represent and work in the mental health field have nothing to do with the pure evil carried out by these idiots. Mental illness does not equate to psychopath, you can thank Hollywood for that nonsense.
Indeed.
Sociopaths are specially dangerous because they can, and have, slipped through the drag nets of psyche evals of all kinds, administered by seasoned doctors. They can get good at it and can go on to do it for years-on-end. You may never know you’ve encountered one until he or she walks up and smile-kills you, or is one day adjudicated by a court for doing that to someone else. They wouldn’t need any real reason, either, and often feel little or no remorse afterward. That is probably why the most successful serial killers are often sociopaths of one variety or another.
Of course, this is not to say that all sociopaths are proto-murderers-in-waiting. Far from it. Just that successful killers tend to have that trait.
wealthy retiree, grand-father and recreational gambler with no criminal history and no known political or religious affiliations all-of-a-sudden decides to go on a mass killing spree……killing perfect strangers who’v never done him the slightest harm….yeh, right! ????
if you believe that crap, then, i got this big, coat-hangar-shaped bridge in Sydney that i can sell you… cheap !
(check Michael Savage/Savage Nation radio excerpt on YouTube….interviews Paddock’s former neighbour… ex-USMC….says its almost inconceivable that he could’v done this)
I’ve already written off bump stocks as yet another thing I won’t be able to buy in the next few years. This video will certainly gain public support for banning them. I know no compromise is acceptable but if they go after bump stocks and not the actual rifles then it will be the best outcome I could realistically hope for. That said, I see some of the truth in Jeremy saying the worst 5 seconds of what came out of RFs mouth is probably better than what they would have shown alternatively.
It was OK! Better than I expected. Oh and I’m too poor to buy this stock and waste 100’s of rounds just for sh#ts and giggles…
A majority have decided which side they are on, the remaing will be forced to soon.
There will be mass civil unrest/war before Trump’s term is over.
I’ve never seen so much anti gun rhetoric.
Is it only a matter of time elections or mass shootings before we go the way of Australia?
Hooray! For the second amendment! Ok…now who’s next! (sarcasm here)
If all they do is ban bump stocks, we would get off very easy.
I guess my question is, why would you need to defend Bump Fire Stocks? I mean, ATF signed off on them, they don’t point the gun by themselves, they don’t fire by themselves, they don’t (to the best of my knowledge) possess some Svengali like power to force the owner to commit homicide, so again, why would you even suggest that a “defense” is necessary?
I propose a test, or a link to an existing test, or someone to just tell us: how fast can someone mag dump a 30rd AR in semi-auto…vs. that same someone mag dumping a 30rd AR using a bump stock?
Maybe the answer is already “almost twice as fast”, which would be VERY hard to defend to your average Joe on the street. But what’s “the truth”? Are bump stocks THAT much faster than finger-fired semi-auto?
Been saying it for years & this is just another example that proves it… Can’t count on cops for anything, especially not protecting anyone. They’re nothing more than overpaid revenue collectors.
Get over it the Bump fire stock is a political scapegoat and it soon is to be gone with Republicans and Democrats agreeing they have to do something to calm all the rightful anger of an outraged public about neither side ever doing anything in Congress as the dead body count gets higher and higher. Soon Congress will have to climb over piles dead bodies from mass murders just to get to work.
Tonight as I type these words Nancy Pelosi said she is working behind the scenes with Republicans for a universal background check that may legally be extended to a 72 hour wait and judging the emotions of the hour its not inconceivable that the Republicans may go along with it. I personally think the current Brady Bill works well in its instant check form and see no need for a 72 hour wait unless the person being vetted has some problems with his prior records which is the way the current Brady Bill works. Extending the Brady Bill to cover all gun purchases is way long overdue. It takes no ones guns and would prevent 10 times the number of felons and nut cases from getting guns as opposed just to checking only new gun sales. Only a nut case would argue against this.
No law is fool proof but the bulk of gun owners would obey such a new law and to argue that it would not stop tens of thousands of illegal sales is again to be the ranting’s of a nut case.
Yes there will be illegal guns for sale but again its the fault of Congress for letting people keep guns and not have a bill requiring the use of a safe and a security alarm system. When criminals can simply walk in a home or even a gun store and load up their vehicle to the ceiling in a few minutes with stolen guns then its Congress’s fault for not correcting the situation by requiring such measures. Again only nut cases would argue this also would not keep tens of thousands of guns from being stolen.
Going another step mandatory mental health examinations for the issue of a gun owners purchase card would probably have prevented the last big massacre at Los Angles as anyone as wacked out as Paddock was would not have been difficult to diagnose even by a Psychiatrist who was only in his first year of study at school and a slam dunk for a trained professional.
Of Couse all this is way over the head of Jethro Bodine who screams “do nothing” and to do nothing will result in a public so outraged Jethro will end up having all of his guns confiscated and melted down but Jethro can never see the forest for the trees and believes that doing nothing will not result in him losing everything. Darwinism will then take its course resulting in the complete extinction of gun ownership by the working man. An Australian style melt down is not as improbable as the far right seems to believe.
I was wondering how long it would wait they already did. 3D Printed BFS. LMAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwIuMywfdww
“But I also believe that we cannot punish our way out of these problems.”
What do we get when we don’t hold people responsible for their actions?
We get our current society.
What do we get when we don’t hold politicians responsible for their actions? (e.g. violating their oath of office)
Tyranny.