The Fairchild A-10 Thunderbolt II was designed for close air support of ground troops and . . . that’s it. It’s slow, it’s ugly (they call it the ‘warthog’) and it’s a devastatingly effective way to silence enemy ground forces.
To that end the jet’s nose is equipped with General Electric Aircraft Armament Subsystem A/A49E-6: a 30mm gatling gun mechanism, double-ended linkless ammunition feed, storage assembly and a hydraulic drive system.
Shooting some 3,900 rounds of armor shredding depleted uranium rounds each minute, the mini-gun’s characteristic brrraaapppp sound means that someone somewhere is in a heap of trouble. Now, though, plane itself is in peril. The Air Force is looking to cut all their A-10s from the fleet. Meanwhile, this flying gun’s getting it done.
Rule #1 of Air Force procurement:If the troops like it,scrap it.
Rule #2:If it costs billions and does nothing for the force ,buy more.
There’s nothing better for close air support that’s currently in operation. A-10s have done remarkable work in Afghanistan.
Rule #3: If it doesn’t have a pointy nose, it’s not a fighter and is an embarrassment.
Rule #4: Stealth…. because it does what modern ECM’s can do at 100 times the cost!
I remember the story of three boys sitting on the front stoop of their apartment bldg in some big city reading magazines. A man walked up and asked the first boy that was reading a car magazine what he wanted to be when he grew up. “I wanna be a race car driver!” The second boy was reading a sports magazine and his response was, “I wanna be a baseball pitcher!” The third boy was reading a nekkid girly magazine. His lament was, “Man, I just wanna grow up!”
Man, I’d like any of those rifles….
Even as a civilian from what I have seen on YT I don’t believe there is a US or allied soldier out there who doesn’t love it when the A-10 comes flying in going BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT.
The plane loses air speed when the gun is fired
How awesome is that?
All planes do. The energy released from firing this gun just happens to be enough to have an extremely noticeable effect.
I think the Warthog is a beautiful plane. Puff the Magic Dragon would literally stall if you didn’t keep the nose down when you pulled the trigger on all those .50s. And the AC-130 will put on a pretty good show too.
I was a crew chief on this plane in the 90’s. If was way over its man hours 20 years ago. Hard to believe it is still flying. It was on honor to work on this beast. I got a stiffy every time I cycled the hydraulics for the gun. I wish they could design another. It makes me get teary eyed thinking about its retiring. I guess that is how the F-4 crew chiefs felt when when it was retired, and they were transferred to A-10 units.
“I guess that is how the F-4 crew chiefs felt when when it was retired…”
Don’t tell any of them what we use F-4s for now.
The article mentions that the Air Force may replace the A10 with the F 35A for close combat support. I don’t see how using a plane that is twice as expensive to fly, and is completely combat unproven in that role will result in any long term savings.
Schumer from NY. Yep. First thing I thought about and looking at the scanned document – there he is from NY. I still remember his hateful comments during the Waco Siege and his comments about Eduardo Saverin taking his money and renouncing US citizenship so he wouldn’t have to pay ridiculous sums of taxes. I remember Schumer’s ridiculous statements on tax evasion for NY billboards.
Schumer on Saverin:
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/92889601-schumer-eduardo-saverin-can-never-set-foot-in-u-s.html
(In other words – lets chase away capalists with money to spend ???!?)
Schumer on Waco:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR8UbTVIhOc
(Basically – US forces annihilating unarmed women and children is not against the law… sure)
Schumer insinuating that flash bang grenades are harmless and not classifed as grenades… event though they are titled “Flash bang … grenade”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaX8CiweU-E
Schumer slips up and actually says “Universal Registration” instead of “universal Background check”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or-wunHCQwY
Ugly?! That’s the prettiest bird ever fielded by our armed forces!
This. Minus the p51. A10s are the coolest bird in the air. I remember being on vacation during the Muskegon air show and two of them came from landside over the beach and split. They were so low and so fast you could see the water split from us on the beach out to 100 feet where they broke. I get chills writing about it.
It seems to me the A-10 finds itself on the chopping block every two or three years, and so far has survived every time. Eventually, I’m sure it will finally be retired, but probably not before an actually good replacement is found, not the “basically adequate” that exists now.
I think someone somewhere has decided it can’t do anything a drone can’t do cheaper. But what that someone doesn’t understand is the shear versatility, durability and psychological impact that plane has (on both the troops and the enemy). Hearing those whining turbines and the brrrrrraaaaapppp! is a text-book example of what “changing hearts and minds” really means.
Slow maybe, ugly no. Give the beauties to the Army and Marines, 30mm and some ASM are devastating no matter what you’re looking to kill. Nothing lasts this long without being terribly effective.
Three fly over my house at least on a monthly basis. F’N awesome sight.
As I read the article, as soon as I got to the word “incumbent” my ipod kicked on the Imperial March….coincidence, luck?
“In my experience there is no such thing as luck” OB1K
The a-10 is being phased out….
That’s good news…. for the bad guys.
Are they also getting rid of spoons in the mess on soup day?
As an engineer who’s been in the Defense-biz for a couple decades, I can tell you that if you want to blame somebody for the decision to replace A-10s with JSF, blame your Congress-critter. THEY decide how the cash is spent, and it’s a zero-sum game. If the Air-Force wants A and B and B could theoretically do A’s job, then Congress will authorize B, and reject A out of hand. Worse yet, lately Congress has developed a nasty habit of raiding the funds for B a couple years into the procurement cycle. This is why the Army can’t seem to replace the M-4, with all it’s warts and issues with sand and dirt.
In the late 70s and early 80s, there was an A-10 training facility not far from my Uncle’s farm in east Texas. He lives right on the Sabine River, and the A-10s would fly over at least twice a day on training missions.
I once almost got run over by a FLYING A-10. They’d come just a few feet above tree top level. I was working on the top of a sand and gravel separator. It got clogged at the top, and I was bent over inside clearing the debris, when suddenly I hear an A-10 approaching. I stand up and look toward the noise, and I’m basically looking into the eyes of the pilot. I’m a few dozen feet off the ground, and I jump off backwards into one of the piles of sand behind me, he pulls up hard.
It seemed he missed me by feet, it had to be farther than that, but when you can FEEL the plane wash over you, it seems really close. He circled to and checked to see if I was OK, then wagged his wings and he was off.
They’d also run mock strafing runs on our trucks. In the beginning of training we could get away, but at the end, never. They’d come over the trees so fast and low, you’d have just seconds before they were on you, and by the time you could react, it was already over. Again, they’d wave and wagged those wings to let you know how you did.
It was awesome to watch.
Great story! Thanks.
Retired Air Force… the Air Farce is run by Fighter Jocks and there ain’t a LESS likely airplane in the world to be FIGHTER JET than the A-10… don’t believe it? Every Chief of Staff since the first one was a Fighter Jock… the First nine was Curt LeMay…, THE Bomber Jock of bomber jocks… We used to joke about Fighter Jocks versus cruise missiles. Cruise missiles were (are) better… they rarely ground abort, NEVER come back and you don’t have to buy them a leather jacket so they fly straight! (Hey, the Navy Jocks got them first…)
In hindsight I wish I’d had the funds to get my 10/22 project off the ground – imo it would certainly have been competitive with the entries above.
Biggest tech hurdle would be modding a carbon fiber barrel to a QD mechanism and mounting an optic – epoxy a picatinny rail to the barrel perhaps? On the other end the other technical challenge, reaming a butler creek folding stock forearm to accept the .920″ barrel might not turn out to be necessary – simply chop it a la marlin papoose. the you have the best of all worlds – a folder AND a takedown. Add a couple BX-25/-50 mags, package with the ruger soft case and it’s good to go!
Tom
The tell in this article is that they’re planning on replacing the A-10 with F-35’s.
The F-35 is a white elephant. It is the F-111 of our time. It will be hugely over-budget, behind schedule, too complicated and will do nothing well at all – just like the F-111.
The USAF knows this right now. But they need to justify the F-35 project, so they’re going to start claiming it is “critical” to have that white elephant to replace weapon systems that actually work – like the A-10.
Unless the incumbent is running against a Gun Grabber running for Congress solely to help push the anti-gun agenda..
http://fox6now.com/2013/10/14/amar-kaleka-to-challenge-paul-ryan-for-1st-cong-dist-seat/
If anyone wants a good read about the A-10, there’s a book called “Warthog: Flying the A-10 in the Gulf War” by William Smallwood. Excellent personal accounts from pilots that flew the A-10.
I was fascinated by these machines as a kid. IIRC The A-10 came about as NATO studied the cost of killing Russian tanks, and discovered that the Soviets could build tanks faster and cheaper than we could build then-current AGM systems to kill them, so the GAU-8 was devised, and the aircraft was designed around the gun.
While technically unarmed in the air combat roll, Warthog pilots during cold war NATO exercises would simply ignore this, use their superior turning radius to out-maneuver faster jets and spray them with simulated 30mm cannon fire, and were able to rack up some impressive “kills” this way.
The only downside to that awesome firepower is the fact that the aircraft can only carry enough ammunition for about 10 seconds worth of fire.
Sounds like yet another rifle made for the enrichment of yet another group of Beltway Bandits.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Ah a cav scout’s best friend… why not just give the A-10 and the rest of the air farce back to the army. They made much better decisions when they were the Army Air corps IMO. The A-10 is the finest close support air craft ever built. She’s able to fly low, slow, and in close to ground troops and tear enemy armor and infantry a new a$$hole and then fly back to base shot all to hell. I’ve seen video and pictures of these things flying with hinks of the wing shot off and engines missing.
Reminds me of a saying: “If it ain’t high, fast, deep, or stealthy, the Air Force doesn’t want it.”
Looks like they are giving Blaine, Missouri’s sesquicentennial a run for its money.
That red fleece jacket: operator as fsck. I think I saw a picture of the guys in DEVGRU wearing jackets just like that while they were fast-roping onto a submarine. (snicker)
Very disturbing
Keene is just gearing up, as they are preparing to secede. They’re building their own private army. It’s not just for the police, it’s for the people of the town. Duh.
Let’s be very logical,
Why not follow the example of Switzerland? They have very few gun related crimes. But as our second amendment intended, every male must serve in the Swiss army. After serving they keep their assault rifle, and are on “Standby duty”. SO every home that has a veteran living in it has a “Locked and loaded” assault rifle. In my opinion that is how it should be in the U.S.A.
How many veterans agree?
Any “Liberals” like to try to debate me on this one? I have “Never” lost a debate when I was on a debate team. And to me gun control is all rounds in the bullseye.
Bama Bill
I would lay odds they were DEA and someone there was an undercover DEA agent, saw similar setup 20 years ago when there was a wedding at our church, the groom was the UA!
OK, OK, hold your frickin’ horses. I let the contest slip yesterday. Mea culpa.
That photo above produced an inordinate number of funny responses. I don’t know what that says about the pic…or our readers. And I’m not going to try to analyze it.
Coffee-spit inducing entries were contributed by LongBeach, SpeleoFool, Moose, Joel, ErantVentureII and MiketheHopsFarmer among others. But the StealthGear ONYX holster goes to Liberty2Alpha. Congrats.
Now here’s an interesting question. If a criminal or terrorist did start harming people, who is most likely to respond first? An armed citizen carrying concealed near the terrorist? Or the guys on the roof who:
(a) are standing around with their hands in their pockets
(b) laid their sniper rifle on the roof below the parapet
(c) do not have a shooting table or surface set up for their rifle, and
(d) do not have appropriate seating ready
Second interesting question. If the guys on the roof take a shot at a criminal/terrorist with their sniper rifle, how likely is the bullet to go through the terrorist and injure/kill an innocent bystander next to the criminal/terrorist?
The more I look at this, the more I like the idea of LOTS of armed citizens carrying openly and/or concealed.
Well, lots of armed citizens is ideal. And to your point: who the hell shoots a .50 BMG into a crowd of people when over-penetration is a huge concern?!
Screw em.
If they don’t like the First Amendment ,they can fly a kite.I will say what is on my mind regarding the topic at hand, and so should we. These hoplophobes don’t deserve further consideration.
Good QC prevents problems from ever leaving the factory bad QC can get you killed with a firearm.
Remington is all about making money compare some of the older ones with a new one and you see a huge difference. I have one of their new overseas rifles; it works and functions OK but that is the best I can say compared to my old 700 it’s a POS.
Customer service after the sale is even more important than actually selling the gun in the first place. Both the people mentioned below returned and purchased several more firearms and they were always those which had repaired or fixed issues with their guns. By contrast those that had bad customer service almost Never purchased a firearm from that company again. Fool me once is fine until you run out of folks to screw over or somebody comes along making better or cheaper products.
I should at lease mention that I was a dealer and often surprised at what happens to firearms in the field that would warrant a whole blog in itself. The firearms I returned to Ruger, Taurus and Browning were all promptly repaired and returned with either zero charge or a very minimal charge considering the condition in which the gun was returned. I returned a Ruger Red Label early model that had the spring defect the customer was a avid bird hunter, bluing was half worn off the receiver, scratches on the barrel and stock from heavy use. Ruger repaired the safety spring, refinished the gun and replaced the stock it looked and felt brand new cost: he was out the cost of shipping the firearm to Ruger.
2nd customer fell down a cliff while hunting his Tarus semi-auto departed the holster and must have hit every boulder on the mountain on its way down: rear sight broke off, both grips cracked/chipped slide and frame had many deep gouges and scratches. 3 weeks later pistol was returned looking brand new I think they charged him $30 total for replacement of the rear sight. So his cost was that plus shipping.
“Should We Delete Comments that Flame Gun Control Advocates?” No. Delete the gun control activists, keep the flames.
This is a culture war, and all culture wars are to the death. One culture lives, the other dies. That’s the way it’s always been.
We don’t have to play nice with fascists. We didn’t start this war. They did. Let them know that they’re in for a hell of a fight with no holds barred.
I approve of this comment.
And to the TTAG Staff, why don’t we have a comment voting feature? Like a like or dislike button for comments? And even after asking that question I find myself pondering whether a feature like that actually provides any real value…
The only value in a comment voting feature is that it (in theory) floats the good comments to the top. I just don’t see that being of value for us, because all our comments are amazing.
My guess is that the Air Force thinks they can achieve the same result with remote controlled drones firing missiles from on high.
While the A-10s are tough, they are not invincible and they must fly within range of ground fire to deliver their support. Drones on the other hand fly at several thousand feet: well beyond the range of ground fire.
More importantly, the Air Force can probably acquire and operate 20 or more drones for the price of one A-10. Remember that ballistic effectiveness isn’t the only important aspect of a weapons system, so is affordability.
Finally, drones do not put human pilots in harms way over an actual battlefield.
I don’t think you should moderate the comments at all, except removing spam.
But then again I’m from 4chan, and that is just not everyone’s cup of tea.
But consider that our opponents will resort to childish insults, distortion, and outright lying before you consider bowdlerizing the site for their tastes. You can’t please them, and you can’t avoid giving them figurative ammunition because they will generate their own if they must. Just let people say what they want in the comments, and make it clear you don’t necessarily endorse what’s in here.
Sounds to me like they are loosing public interest & the argument as a whole, so they need to drum up drama.
If you think the author of a blog, or any content online with a comments section, is responsible for what’s said by others, then let me be the first to welcome you to “the internet”… I will be your guide… sigh
Censorship (no matter how careful) won’t lead to anything good imo.
Well…Let’s see.
They have posted the names and addresses of every gun owner in certain states.
They openly wish violence on gun owners through twitter, facebook and the media in general.
They seek to destroy our god given right to self defense along with our constitutional rights.
They outright lie to suit their agenda.
They shamelessly use the deaths of children and select minority cases to wave the bloody shirt.
They decry our right to have weapons while their media mavens act like we can’t see they have body guards with guns and guns themselves.
Stoop to their level? RF, we haven’t even glanced at their level.
I do not agree with every comment made here but I agree every comment should be able to be made here. The more ridiculous ones are usually ignored or cause an argument. Those at the MDA office seem to be all for polarization, thinking everyone agrees with and thinks whatever is said by a single poster. I think that’s out of the playbook too.
They want us to let our guard down and play nice so the next time they play dirty, which they usually do, they’ll have a larger advantage. They even played dirty by pulling out the sexism card in the first place, seems to be their go-to in an attempt to halt any “discussion” just like the race card (oh, they played that one too?). As if we’re so stupid to be manipulated that way. “Oh no, I hurt your feelings, I guess I should give in to your demands to make up for it”.
Sorry there “moms”, but we’re fighting for everyone to be equal with equal rights, you’re fighting for everyone to be equal with no rights. If only you realized equality through a lack of rights only puts your demographic, the female population, at a great disadvantage. Never mind it opens the door to take away all rights in the future. By no means do I think everyone should or is able to carry a firearm, some people simply cannot handle the responsibility to do so safely or be level-headed enough to employ a firearm properly if needed, but I do think everyone should have the choice. You can tell me what firearm I can and cannot choose to purchase, carry, and own right after I can tell you what to feel, think, and express.
as long as they continue to lie and use propaganda tactics to rally their low intelligence constituents, I say screw’em… case in point:
Robert Farago, a pro-gun blogger at ‘The Truth About Guns,’ has also been on a crusade against MDA because of their focus on domestic violence,
confessing that she was frightened by the sight of hundreds of heavily armed Americans preaching armed revolution
their mindless drones eat that stuff up….
RF,
To answer your question I don’t believe you should delete comments that “flame” the other side, I think the moment we start playing by their rules we open a door where there is no end to their demands, they after all hide behind the First Amendment while attempting to destroy the Second, so in my humble opinion they can all just go pound sand.
Letting anti-gun mothers influence policy here at TTAG is a terrible idea. So what if some anti-gun harpy doesn’t like being called names? Tough shit.
I thought women who went through childbirth were supposed to be badasses who can tolerate a lot of pain, so what’s with these assholes?
Boohoo! An anonymous person on the internet made fun of me!
Deal w/it, biiiiittttchhhheeeeeeeeessss.
U mad?
I’ve dealt with “bad editorial” when running community sites before. TTAG itself should maintain a high water mark itself… (I’m no fan of these “moms” but I did kinda go “eh” at the alpha male comment.)
But as a site admin you can’t really “control the minds of the people on your lawn.” Anti sites will be looking for attack points. This is just one they found. Pointing to commenters is easy and cheap. Allowing comments at all on any site runs the risk of commenters not reflecting how the site would represent itself. But that’s the price of discourse. You pays your money and you takes your chances.
I don’t agree with every comment here. Whether I engage or not depends on whether or not I want to deal with being my “former anti somewhat liberal” self — I get a bit of derision for that; apparently there’s even an archetype of the “liberal except for the 2a” types. (I wasn’t even aware. Oh well.) — (though I was corrected recently that I may actually lean more libertarian.)
Anyhow — the point is , TTAG is actually less of an echo chamber than sites that are generally based on complete alignment. TTAG is about being pro gun rights. Cut and dry. Whereas a lot of “anti” sites actually have a broader set of what they’re really “against”. Look at the mentions: Guns, yes but – racism, misogyny … I don’t see TTAG writers talking about taxes, healthcare or gay marriage. So there’s one unifying factor here, but on the attacking sites, they’re cut more from the same mold between each other.
So, TTAG is actually going to get more variety in commenters. Giving sites looking to do a “hit piece” (editing , paraphrasing and omission is so powerful …) on TTAG are going to have more variety to fish through.
So no. TTAG itself should establish its standards . But let commenters say what they will, (unless it really is just an outright ugly troll or flame) And remind people that this isn’t groupthink here.
Maybe some of these antis should just dive into the fray here, and see what some pro gun people are really about.
Course, that may change their worldview. Gotta be careful there.
This will fall on deaf ears. But, I would like to see written, instead of bashing the opposition, would be to counter points to their argument in a well mannered way. Instead of just being dicks.
Sniper Rifle…Gotta stop those pumpkins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBISN3H65uM
The antis badmouth us, call us violent overcompensating rednecks and worse, censor any criticism on their site(s), advocate abridging our Constitutional rights and then expect US to be “civil” and play by rules they clearly don’t observe?
Pull the other one.
A 12 yr old shooting a handgun with his or her parents is perfectly normal…
A 12 yr old stealing a handgun then shooting his or her classmate and turning the weapon on himself is very abnormal…
There was something seriously wrong wth this situation and this boy, the handgun wasn’t it.
Oh and, background checks nor an AWB wouldn’t have stopped this, but I imagine we’re going to hear about their “necessity” anyways.
I don’t know what the gun-fetish MILFs want here – more laws?
Because, as a former resident of the Sagebrush State, I happen to know the law. Here it is:
NRS 202.300 Use or possession of firearm by child under age of 18 years; unlawful to aid or permit child to commit violation; penalties; child 14 years of age or older authorized to possess firearm under certain circumstances.
1. Except as otherwise provided in this section, a child under the age of 18 years shall not handle or have in his or her possession or under his or her control, except while accompanied by or under the immediate charge of his or her parent or guardian or an adult person authorized by his or her parent or guardian to have control or custody of the child, any firearm of any kind for hunting or target practice or for other purposes. A child who violates this subsection commits a delinquent act and the court may order the detention of the child in the same manner as if the child had committed an act that would have been a felony if committed by an adult.
2. A person who aids or knowingly permits a child to violate subsection 1:
(a) Except as otherwise provided in paragraph (b), for the first offense, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) For a first offense, if the person knows or has reason to know that there is a substantial risk that the child will use the firearm to commit a violent act, is guilty of a category C felony and shall be punished as provided in NRS 193.130.
Right there at the end is the applicable law. Already on the books.
Had one of these swoop right in front of me driving past the Dayton Air Show some years back. I about near wrecked my car. Still worth it.
At the end of the day this is just a very sad event. Two kids injured. A family lost their husband and father, who by all accounts I’ve read was an engaging and committed teacher. Another family is totally wrecked, probably never to understand how their own child could do something like this. Everyone will explore- many for their own gain – why this happened. There will be gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes and at the end of the day it is still just sad.
The parents maybe could have done some things differently, as could have the school, as could have lots of the parties involved. But I know no truer thing than sometimes really bad things happen to really good people. Maybe a shooting on the way to church or a car accident while on their way to Disneyland or a plane crash on their way to visit the grandparents. Shit happens.
There is no true safety, only being more or less safe. That said, complacency is not responsibility. It is always contingent upon us – the people of the gun – to be as responsible as we can, to secure our tools in such a way that prevents kids from getting their hands on them. Yes, they need to be accessible in some way in case of an emergency, but the general principle still stands. Adults have to do things to protect children. It’s what we are for. Teach them properly, whether to never touch a weapon unless we are with them, to fight against bullies, to seek us out if they are in pain, to listen between the words for what they might be saying to us even when we don’t want to hear it.
No law can achieve that. No law can prevent things more that are already illegal. No ban will achieve it because harm is a factor of intent and not device. But this shouldn’t be about law, it should be about doing the right thing. Not because it’s required by law, but because it’s the right freaking thing to do.
Wow, that’s the most posts that I’ve seen in awhile! As they get to use their 1st Amendment rights so should we. In this day and age you better have a thick skin. Just because you think something is vulgar or inappropriate doesn’t mean that others do. Someone saying you use your husband as a doormat is beyond tame, since about the 1950’s. I’m tired of this always PC crap. I say what I want as should others. It just goes to show how these types have too much time on their hands. With all the gun hate don’t they have something better to do? You want me to hurt your feelings old school? When you get done scrubbing my toilet do my dishes and make my dinner! Really, look up sarcasm and joke in a dictionary. If you are really looking to be offended watch an Andrew Dice Clay show or listen to some gangsta rap.
A-10 has always been my favorite plane. And there’s a lot of REALLY cool planes out there, so that really tells you something. Hoping someone is smart enough to pick it up if the AF drops it. Army?
Short answer: No.
The obstructionist gun control lobby has never at any time nor under any circumstance paid any of us the same courtesy when their rabid lap dogs nip at our heels for absolutely no reason whatsoever in their ever-shrinking enclaves of insanity, either. They even go so far as to, more often than not, shut down their public comments completely or even out-right ban anyone and everyone who steps out of line with their perverse fascist group-think.
They openly declare war on us each and every time they even subtly allude to gun control in any way, shape, or form.
They publish the addresses of law-abiding citizens, which subsequently have crimes committed against them — this is a verifiable and immutable fact.
They openly wish death upon us and our families, and call for our arrest and summary execution for crimes we did not commit.
They are guilty of every transgression they accuse us of committing and oh so much more.
They have already made their intentions clear: ban all guns — all of them — and confiscate them. By force if necessary.
Let those comments remain for all to see. “Inflammatory” comments towards the obstructionist gun control lobby, no matter how vile or horrible, are only pointing out the obvious truth.
In conclusion, turn about is fair play.
More here:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=840811
Did you have some sort of IR aiming device on your rifle or do you have a way to co-qitnnes the PVS-14 with your scope?
The Hog the only group of USAF CAS aircraft we trusted. Six tours in the Mid East learned to her