‘Rap Back’ or Rip-Off – Hawaii Gun Owners Sue for Disclosure of Information

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NRA-ILA has previously written about the FBI’s “Rap Back” service, a law enforcement tool allowing authorized agencies to receive automatic criminal history updates about particular individuals – a person under criminal investigation or subject to probation or parole, or for non-criminal purposes, to monitor an employment applicant or person in a position of public trust, to ensure that they are  not engaging in criminal conduct that would disqualify them from that employment.

Under Rap Back, an authorized agency submits the fingerprints of the person to be monitored for retention into Rap Back. “This will result in an ongoing review or continuous evaluation of the criminal history status of each individual” for “as long as the individuals are appropriately subscribed to the Rap Back Service” (subject to general time limits). During that subscription timeframe, the service reports back to the authorized agency with ongoing notifications regarding arrests, warrants, or some other criminal activity being flagged in relation to that individual.

In Hawaii, state law imposes a registration requirement on almost all firearms. Under a bill signed into law in June 2016, Hawaii became the first state to couple this registration requirement to the Rap Back service. Anyone who applied to register a firearm (or renew a registration) and provided fingerprints as part of that process was to be entered into the FBI’s Rap Back service database.

According to the state government, firearm registration applicants must sign a “consent and notification” form to allow the use of their information in Rap Back, with increased fees following the bill’s enactment. The Rap Back services “began retaining fingerprints for all new firearms on December 4, 2016,” and registration is denied for anyone who refuses to provide this consent.

Signing the bill into law, Governor David Ige asserted its community and public safety justification:

“This system will better enable our law enforcement agencies to ensure the security of all Hawaii residents and visitors to our islands. This bill has undergone a rigorous legal review process by our Attorney General’s office and we have determined that it is our responsibility to approve this measure for the sake of our children and families.”

In hindsight, the governor’s confidence in this measure may have been misplaced. The Hawaii Firearms Coalition (HIFICO), a gun rights advocacy group, is questioning whether any of the state’s firearm owners have actually been enrolled in the Rap Back service database in the years since the bill took effect.

In an effort to determine the extent of the state’s participation in Rap Back under the 2016 law, HIFICO had submitted a request to the FBI under the federal Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), seeking copies of all documents and communications between the FBI and the State of Hawaii regarding or relating to firearm owners in the state and Rap Back, to specifically include records on payments from the state to the FBI related to firearm owner registration in the Rap Back service.

The group anticipates that production of these records will disclose (among other things) whether the FBI is denying the state the use of the Rap Back service and whether this is due to the potential impact on privacy rights and gun rights.

According to a lawsuit that has since been filed by HIFICO against the FBI, the FBI has failed to respond to the FOIA request. The suit asks the court to order the FBI to search for and produce the appropriate records in response to the outstanding FOIA request.

This is a developing story, with many questions about how this Rap Back program has been implemented following the enactment of the 2016 law.

In the meantime, this raises the unfortunate possibility that Hawaii’s law falls within the kind of “window dressing” legislation much favored by gun control advocates, where any infringement on the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun owners is acceptable, regardless of whether the promised tradeoffs in “public safety” are actually likely to result.


  1. avatar GS650G says:

    Never trust democrats on any law or legal issue. There is always an ulterior motive.

    1. avatar Tarzan says:

      Republicans either. Just look at the patriot act that was passed after 9/11. Basically overrode parts of the constitution. All to keep us safe.

      1. avatar Thixotropic says:

        This was ONE of the main purposes for the 9/11 False Flag.

    2. avatar Garrison Hall says:

      The problem is statism. It doesn’t much matter whether someone is a Democrat or Republican, if they believe in the various forms of the administrative state then they can be assumed to against an armed citizenry.

      1. The same for Massachusetts and New Jersey I believe….(re: Authoritarianism.)

    3. avatar GS650G says:

      Yeah but the democrats are reliable consistent in their disdain for out rights.

      1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

        I can see this being another secret list like the feds. no fly list.

  2. avatar Bob Jones says:

    “For the sake of our children” well, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Dahlmer, Gacy, BinLaden, et al were children once………we know how they turned out.

  3. avatar Ralph says:

    “The Honolulu City Council unanimously approved a $550,000 settlement payment to a 32-year veteran police officer who alleged in a 2009 lawsuit that Honolulu Police Chief Susan Ballard, then a major, tampered with test scores for recruits.”

    Government is hypocrisy in action. Democratic Party government is a criminal conspiracy, and police are their street-level enforcers.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      But so many aay the republicans are just as bad! As if they are any way near as corrupt.

  4. avatar Texheim says:

    My employer uses this for all employees. Used to, you got in trouble you had to self report or if someone got pissed at you that knew they’d rat you out. Now, Rat Back is on every single active employee. HR was very pleased with the new reporting.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      I’d find another job.

    2. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      Curious – What kind of a company do you work for?

      1. avatar Texheim says:

        I work for a government (not THE government “A”).

  5. avatar Widdler says:

    Welcome to Hawaii, a whole lot of corruption going on here. I’m sure it’s the same everywhere, but hawaii is typically off the radar in the houses eyes. “When the cat’s away, the mice will play” their running my name right now, I’m in the middle of a mandatory 2 week waiting period for a handgun I bought beginning of the month. Bring it home this friday😊

    1. avatar AlanInFL says:

      There is an old local saying: “who is more corrupt: the mob or the police?”

      1. avatar Widdler says:

        Trick question, we all know their the same people.

  6. avatar Andrew Lias says:

    If this proves that they’re not paying for rap back they should request the feds open an embezzlement investigation.

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      God I hope so, Hawaii will nickel and dime you into bankruptcy. You need this sticker for this and this card for that, $20 here $40 there. Try and get a building permit, HOLY $#/+!!!

      1. avatar AlanInFL says:

        That’s the cost of living in a Democratic Hell hole paradise. I hate to leave my home state. It started to go down hill in the late 70’s.

        1. avatar Widdler says:

          My plans are to leave soon as the obligations are up, I’m thinking I’ll sell my gear since it’s all registered and rebuy the ones I like in an invisible state.

        2. avatar GS650G says:

          Good idea. If you’ve nothing rare or sentimental it’s better to go that route.

  7. avatar possum, destroyer of arachnids says:

    shark sacrifice’s

  8. avatar Hannibal says:

    All those increased fees are going SOMEWHERE. I wonder where.

    1. avatar Widdler says:

      Well, i know for fact that top government officials on my island gave themselves 5 digit pay raises last year(ish).

  9. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    Yeah, SUE!!! Isn’t that the same kind of crap Hitler and Chavez in Venezuela fed their people about various forms of gun control, “You’ll be safer”? To paraphrase, “those who surrender a little freedom for safety neither have or deserve either”.

  10. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    So an innocent citizen is going to have a dossier created, a permanent record to use the language of my high school counselor, then be monitored for an amount of time just in case at some point in the future they commit a crime?

    What am I not understanding? Why are there not more politicians getting turned out at election time?

  11. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    Um, guns don’t have fingerprints; people do.

    Another word for this “monitoring” is ” surveilance.”

    Something you are compelled to sign isn’t consent. A trade-off, maybe.

    What is notification aboug other activities? There’s a standard (-ish) for arrest or conviction. Now we’re tracking made up kompromat? We have congress for that.

    Doesn’t Hawaii squawk about seceding from gime to time? We should let them.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      …..a vision of the future?…..

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