“Many of the advocates of pro-gun legislation repeat the platitude that it is people who kill people, not guns. They are exactly right. I fear the kind of person, the kind of barely-not-a-child-anymore-student, who would want to carry a gun on campus, legally or otherwise. I fear that kid, and I don’t want to be around him. It isn’t his gun that scares me. What scares me is his brain, which controls the hand that controls the gun that can kill.” – Nate Kreuter in On Gun in My Classroom [via insidehighered.com]
Breastfeeding “debate” deleted. Let’s keep it civil folks.
Sigh, yeah cause we were swearing at each other and name calling…
More like keep it positive about our IAGO posts are be deleted. Whatever
Well, because we all know that the school’s approval to carry a gun on campus is all we’re waiting for to start carrying out our massacres. I’ve filed all the proper paperwork and should hear back in 6-8 weeks. Foiled again by those darn “gun free zone” signs.
I second this. I wish the people who share his thoughts (the guy writing the article) would respond to what you just said. It never seems to click with them and it would be nice to understand their thinking.
If someone wants to shoot you, he’s not going to care if there is a law that says he can’t carry a gun.
Are they just assuming that people are going to snap? “You gave me a C on this paper? Well I dont like that, so DIE! *bang bang*”
Unfortunately it does happen.
That’s not the question.
The questions are when it happens again, will anyone be there to end it and how long will it take.
“I fear… I fear… What scares me…” – Nate Kreuter
This is what makes you a willing subject, Nate. Liberty requires courage and self-determination.
Courage comes from FACING fears. Never feeling fear is symptom of mental sickness.
Or an abnormal adrenal response. Fun to experience annoying as hell to live with. Regardless, demanding others change to accommodate your cowardice is dispicable.
Irrational thought.
This article smells of “that time of the month”.
Just wanted to say hi to RF from a long time TTAC visitor back in the day when TTAC wasn’t frequented by retarded children and parasitic elitist liberal scolds.
Also wanted to let people know that today is the 100th anniversary of the federal mafia income tax…Happy Anniversary, Slaves!
“What scares me is his brain…”
In other words Mr. Kreuter is scared that someone is a free thinker and not willing to be a sheep.
And I’d rather all the other students and myself be helpless in the face of the statistical anomaly which chooses to murder everyone in the room despite the rules.
I also think it’s preferable for students to be rapped or subject to other violence than for me to have to address my own irrational anxieties.
I’m brave enough to sacrifice the people in my charge to make myself feel a little better.
/sarcasm.
Well, what about “the kind of barely-not-a-child-anymore-student” who has studied martial arts for years? Are you scared of “his brain, which controls the hand” (and foot) that’s capable of killing or seriously injuring you? Maybe we should also ban anyone who has ever had any martial arts training from the classroom as well.
Threading a vacuum valve and hose to the barrel of my 338 Lapua as we speak. Somebody hold my beer.
Sigh, another obvious liberal/progressive (who I seriously doubt owns a gun let alone actually hunts), being ruled by his irrational fears and these are the people that are teaching our kids.
Why do parents put up with this insanity?
And yes Nate, if you quit because the school starts honoring a G-d given civil right to not be a helpless moving target in a mad man empowerment zone, then you will be doing something silly, again.
He’s saying is that people are quicker to CARRY a gun than they are to LEARN how to use it properly. Unfortunately, I know enough CHP holders who fit this description to understand what he’s talking about.
And why are we all attacking this guy? (oh I know, cuz it’s easy). Why aren’t we all acknowledging that he has a–small–point; that his concern is OUR concern and that we ALL should strive to become better with the guns we rely upon?
Better read the article again daveR, Nate is fearful of a law abiding student losing it and start killing people because of a bad grade, not because the student hasn’t practiced enough with his gun.
“go somewhere that your less comfortable” I already live in a place
Less comfortable. The only worse places I could go is Newark and Trenton, and that’s a death wish.
Here is the clearest video of the Saiga shot gun in the trunk. Notice the first few seconds the LARGE magazine he removes.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Connecticut-Shooting-Gun-Control-Debate-Newtown-183636481.html
Why didn’t the police list this magazine on the press release? Why didn’t they list the Izhmash as AKA Saiga?
http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
Why is there a police officer saying on the radio recordings to look for someone with long rifles and a shotgun? Did he see shell casings in the school?
I want to hear Vance explain this.
We’re arguing with a joker that says his students are too immature to campus carry but he dresses like a 10th grader? Sounds like projection to me.
When I teach college, I dress and arm myself appropriately. Then students know who the prof is, though they don’t know he’s also ready to protect them on the off chance there’s a muderer in the building.
Nice sweater Ryan Long!
Sure, but let ’em drink and then elect to operate an automobile, because you know, that’s a lot safer
Ben Swann is the man.
Danny who? He’s so irrelevant, he does not even register on the relevancy scale.
For blacks in this country, EVERYTHING is all about race. They accuse others of being racist, yet it is THEY who are the ones who are keeping racism alive, They are so pathetic they have become parodies of themselves and don’t even realize it.
Going to the badger vs. iowa game tonight……go badgers! 😉
Why would they bother to photoshop the picture of Obama shooting when it would be so easy to take an actual picture of him shooting an actual shotgun?
Don’t interrupt a good conspiracy with your “logic”!
A photo obviously taken some time ago since it has been freezing and snowing in the DC/VA/MD area. So this helps debunk the inevitable conspiracy theorists.
“…the kind of barely-not-a-child-anymore-student, who would want to carry a gun on campus, legally or otherwise.”
Well, here’s the rub. This is the “fresh out of high school” excuse to disallow campus carry. The problem is, if you’re talking about them carrying legally, in virtually every state that allows concealed carry you have to be 21 to get a permit, which eliminates the “fresh out of high school” group simply based on age. If you’re talking about them carrying “otherwise,” then you have to understand that neither their age nor your “no guns allowed” signs are going to factor in. “Otherwise” is already against the law.
Florida gun laws are generally well-written and sensible with only a couple exceptions: our airport rules and campus carry. The ban on campus carry irks the hell out of me because I feel that as someone who is rapidly approaching their twentieth high school reunion, it’s stupid that I should have to (in theory, anyway) disarm myself because I decide to take a class or two for personal or professional betterment. That doesn’t mean that I approve the ban on people carrying even if they’re only 21. I think the ban is stupid at 21, and it only gets stupider the further you get from the “fresh out of high school” argument.
“When you can’t tell your friends from your enemies, it’s time to go.” – M, Quantum of Solace
Agree with Mr. Kreuter. I am a gun owner and also work at a University. Sure many young adult students are mature people but many are not. Many are impetuous, sometimes mental illness shows up unannounced in this age group. The military observes and TRAINS it’s young adults with weapons- that’s a different story. This issue is never black and white- yes, self defense is important but gun ownership in that context often leads to tragedy. If you don’t take care of your gun in YOUR home it’ s YOUR kid who dies. If you don’t take care of your gun in the classroom it could be MY kid who dies. Not OK. Let’s all stop the fanaticism and talk sense among millions of Americans with different takes on a complicated issue.
Sacrificing anything is a mistake. It is not compromise, it’s surrender. And every time we play the game, it makes it that much harder to stand up with credibility later. Look at what La Pierre is going through now. He used to support some measure being proposed (at least publicly) and now, people are calling him on his current opposition. Credibility. Surrender. Both are bad.
Stand firm. Even if we lose a battle, we can still fight and push back. The current energy will fade as people go back to their reality TV, Twitter, and Facebook.
Awesome. Thanks for being a Sheepdog as all citizens should be. We need more like you.
We urge you and all our elected lawmakers to know your target, which is the criminal misuse of firearms
Sorry, NSSF – that’s not their target, it’s our target. Their target is civilian disarmament.
I have to wonder how this guy feels about those same barely-not-a-child-anymore-students driving on public roads. He must be truly terrified of the brain, which controls the hand that controls the car that can kill. If the thought of college students lawfully carrying on campus scares him so much, then the thought of millions of college and high school students driving unsupervised anywhere they please must give him such terrible nightmares.
Why waste your money making this fool Glover any richer than he already is? Spend your cash on things with greater significance to your life such as condoms, beer, and toilet paper.
Ah, the Holy Trinity of personal care products.
Can someone please ask this pseudo-intillectual punk a question:
If the school required that you have a weapon to attend class, if the school provided you a weapon to put in your backpack while you were on campus, would YOU turn into an unreliable, immoral, unpredictable killer or mass murderer? If the answer is NO! then what makes you think that just because someone carries a legally aquired pistol, and goes through the background checks for that and a CCW, is any different from you? The danger on campus is not legal CCW students, it’s the mentally deranged that know YOU and everyone else will be unarmed.
They listed the AR-15 as having a high cap mag because many of the police officials in the CT have an agenda. Make no mistake about it. It was painfully obvious at the hearings that were had not to long ago.
That and the fact that the rebranding of 30rnd mags as “high capacity” seems to be working.
With respect to #1, the 31.5 number also includes police and citizens shooting people in self-defense. I also believe that it includes U.S. military personnel killed in “war.” I’m not 100% sure of that because I can’t get an straight answer.
All they’re trying to do is increase the cost of gun ownership so that fewer people can afford gun ownership, so that they ultimately decrease gun ownership.
It is an attempt at a functional ban, guns are legal but we’ve made them too administratively expensive to realize in reality. This is the same motivation behind per cartridge ammo taxes, ammo background checks (extra 3-8 bucks), per gun registration fees, etc. Ultimately schemes of this type set up and enforce a class system, screwing the poor, screwing the middle class, and leaving the upper class with their rights functionally intact. Ask David Gregory.