“As I’ve written before, as a nation we seemed to be consumed by this romanticized narrative of reaching for a gun to defend home and hearth from a bad guy. The reality is, an armed society is a dangerous society — to itself, above all others. Homicide, suicide, accidental shootings — is that an acceptable social cost for the rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue a hobby? – Scott Martelle, For women, guns in the home prove especially deadly [at latimes.com]
More people are killed in car crashes every year but you never hear these bleeding hearts ask if their lives are worth the “car enthusiasts” hobby. Leave it to a liberal to equate a Constitutional right with a “hobby.”
Car ownership doesn’t threaten the statists’ control over the masses, or give the masses a way to throw off Tyranny. Gun Ownership DOES. its not about saving lives, or making others safer. never was, never will be. its the LIE they tell to confuse simple minds and to try to sell their cause to low information and low education people, to pursue their Statist agenda.
That isn’t true at all. Mobility is the enemy of the state. It allows you freedom of movement, i.e., a way out of their controlled urban environment. The Progressive seeks to disarm, immobilize and impovrish the population and force people into very high density urban environments where they can create a society based on dependency with social discipline enforced by criminal elements.
He has a particle of truth in his statement–otherwise it wouldn’t be so deceptive. For many of us it is indeed a hobby. It’s one thing to own a tool, it’s quite another to collect different samples of it and spend a lot of time thinking about using it and more time actually using it. Unless that’s directly related to your job (security, military, police), it IS a hobby.
That doesn’t change the fact that it is also a specifically-enumerated right to own and keep with us the tools of that hobby (as there is a right (though unenumerated) to procure, own, and use power tools for the workshop), and of course for others to keep them as well even if their interest in them is much less than ours. That’s the fact he is covering up with his emphasis on the “hobby” aspect, as of course many people have pointed out. I just quibble with those who seem to think it isn’t also a hobby.
Now the car analogy is one they’ve heard before and they “demolish” it by simply pointing out that the car’s primary purpose is not to cause injury or death to others. So you’d best already have the response to this ready for them, it will be needed if you make the car analogy.
I beg to differ, sir.
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Also, a rather large person wrote a few years back “Earth in the Balance” in which he seriously suggested banning internal combustion engines while NOT suggesting a viable alternative power source.
So now civil rights are a hobby?
All part of the narrative my friend.
As a nation we seem to forget all about our history.
The real question, did he get them back yet after they dropped the charges?
The exercise of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is not a “hobby” and it is not negotiable.
Just shot my Nightmare for the first time. Loved it but sure hope trigger will improve with use. It was terrible. No malfunctions with 25 Fiocchi 92 grs.expansion mono-blocks.
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I had my Brother-in-law refer to his and my Rights were a Hobby one day. I about wanted to slap the liberal mindset right out of him. Had he not been on the other end of a phone, I probably would have.
“The Right to Keep in Bear Arms, as a fundamental need for liberty, is no less important than the need to breathe is to Living.” Was my repsonse.
He has not used the term again, atleast in my presence.
Interesting story regarding this. Last year shortly after the CCW law was passed, I closed a deal on Gunbroker that required me to mail a certified check. As I was at the bank getting the draft made up to the out of state gun store, the SMOKING HOT bank teller noticed why I was getting the check and whispered, “I just got my FOID and me and my Dad will be picking out my first gun”.
I smiled and said welcome to the club. 🙂
Silent Majority.
I’ve heard from the people in the feminist movement that women are just as capable as a man in taking on the world; cool, level headed, able to multi task better then a man, better able to work together in a group. Run a business, be a fire fighter, cop, soldier, mother and have a career.
But when it comes to a gun and self-defense; they say a woman completely disintegrates; emotionally unstable, angry, murderous and will shoot a man for simply looking in a way she feels is even slightly threatening; that the solution to being raped is not to pull a gun to defend themselves, but to pee, vomit, defecate on themselves to try stop the attacker.
So it sounds to me that the feminists think a woman is capable as a man; except when it come to self-defense with a gun; then she should just completely debase and humiliate herself rather than carry a weapon for self-defense.
Like I’ve said before; statist/liberal/ progressives really hate themselves; and as a consequence, everyone else. They have such contempt for all human beings that they can’t even imagine what a mature responsible adult actually looks like beyond being some pitiful and pathetic retch that needs to be controlled by themselves; the “intellectual elite”.
You are pretty much right. Of course,the leaders of that movement have a vested interested in women being victimized.
The more broken women out there, the more the ranks of the shrill cat lady harpies will swell.
“Homicide, suicide, accidental shootings — is that an acceptable social cost for the rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue a hobby?”
So. much. fail.
Accidental deaths have been steadily falling forever, literally. Accidental deaths last year were around or less than 600. And drowning is a leading cause of death for children. Shall we ban buckets, pools, ponds, lakes, and rivers?
Suicides? Anyone who is serious about suicide will succeed. Japan is as gun-free as any nation could ever be and their suicide rate is higher than the U.S.
Homicides? Criminals by their very nature operate outside of the law. They illegally acquire money from banks, convenience stores, and individuals and they will illegally acquire firearms no matter what laws we pass.
Apparently, Mr. Martelle is too cowardly to protect his own life or his family’s lives and seeks to put the rest of us at the same disadvantage that he chooses for his life. FLAME DELETED I am not willing to sacrifice our wives and daughters to rapists to assuage your fear of firearms. I am not willing to sacrifice our fellow citizens to violent criminals who are more than happy to kill someone for their designer athletic shoes.
We are NOT lemmings. If civilian disarmament advocates like Mr. Martelle want to follow his kind over a cliff, that is his choice. When Mr. Martelle insists that I follow him over the cliff, he is the same as a violent criminal who kills someone to steal their shoes.
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The stoopud here is so strong here
I agree with his point that an armed society is a dangerous society. However, this danger is aimed at robbers, rapists, tyrants, and other such miscreants. That is the whole point of the second amendment.
I just don’t get this fixation with assuming guns somehow making you more likely to kill somebody in a non defensive situation. Again, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. If you want somebody dead for no reason, you will find a way gun or no gun. As pointed out before, kitchen knives, budda statues, heck even your bare hands are pretty efficient at depriving others of life.
The following may be hard to understand for the rural American with a Glock on his hip from dawn to nightfall.
In big cities , there are no four legged work animals, no livestock , and no outdoors to speak of. Just parking tickets, oppressive taxes, and traffic. The city resident wakes up, travels to work in a train or a bus with thousands of strangers, works in an anonymous building with thousands of different strangers, and repeats the process going home.A man alone in the field working with his hands knows he’s the final agent in his own self defense. The city dweller , on the flip side, knows their survival depends on the whims of strangers.If even half the folks on an El line decide to ‘go native’, the other half are in for an unpleasent time . It makes for a paranoid way of life, one few rural folks thankfully ever experience. In the country , one can leave their car running in the driveway in minus ten weather. In the city you cant trust anything. Not the government, not your neighbor, not even the pizza man.
That paranoia creates the problems we see with cities passing dumb laws. “OMG, if everyone on the Red Line had a gun…The train would turn into a shooting gallery!!!Must ban guns on trains!!!”. City dweller paranoia.
It also creates a byproduct- the intellectuals think the way out of this sense of collective fear is to ban everything, everywhere. If Montanans can’t get guns, the LA resident can go about their day unafraid of being shot- theoretically. Hence the authors tract about stats and safety.
It also cycles back to why leftists always classify the RKBA as a trivial hobby. In the city, you can’t exactly walk out the front door Hickock45 style and start blasting.There’s no animals to hunt, and the police presence is oppressive and thick . As an aside when I returned to Chicago, I once counted six police cars from five different agencies on one 30 minute drive through three suburbs -on the SAME street!.A free man calls that a problem. A paranoid city dweller welcomes the Survelliance State.
Not exactly an environment which makes it easy to justify owning a firearm to a paranoid resident. Since fear usually trumps logic in the uninitiated,here we stand.
See, scott’s the kind of guy that would check for a loaded gun by looking down the barrel & pulling the trigger. So therefore everyone else must be inept too, certainly no one could be more intelligent than he. Thousands of people in Wis. didn’t have a gun hobby, they’re all dead now.
Did he try to directly contradict the great Robert Heinlein? Sacrilege! Blasphemy! Heresy! Boo, Hiss.
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I hope these reporters never are exposed to a 3-gun match….they’d probably stroke out.
I take more ammo on a short range trip than he had, they’d be shocked if I’m going to spend an entire day at the range!
Wait, did he just equate my ability, or lack thereof, to defend/protect myself and my family to a hobby?
“The reality is, an armed society is a dangerous society — to itself, above all others. Homicide, suicide, accidental shootings — is that an acceptable social cost for the rights of gun enthusiasts to pursue a hobby?”
It isn’t acceptable, but neither is oppression, corruption, and fear mongering. Ask all the other people in other countries that can’t persue this hobby if all these things still happen.
Just saying that he’ll follow the laws and not just sit on permits is a step in the right direction. Yes I know this all looks bad and wrong and evil, but consider the status quo. 10 million people in LA and a handful of CCWs (likely all issued to very wealthy or well-connected people) The guy that’s there now? You could jump over all the hurdles, pass all their tests, do everything exactly right and by the book and they’re STILL going to say no. This guy is at least saying “If you meet the requirements, YOU WILL GET ONE.” Remains to be seen if he actually does it, but I still say it’s a positive sign.
Screw all that legal mumbojumbo… just be an illegal alien and/or a gang member (or both!) and you got yourself a gun without the red tape. Laws are for the law abiding. /s
“…will still undergo a county-sanctioned application process including background checks, department interviews, firearm qualifications, education training and a mental health evaluation.”
Sounds like ‘get in line early and don’t hold your breath’.
I’ll take my chances with having guns in the house. Properly secured of course. And when my children get old enough they will be going to the range with dad
Mr. Lutze, a sheriff and a supporter of Mr. Tanaka, says “the issuance of Concealed Carry Permits throughout California is not an issue of a privilege but of a right” …
Yet, to exercise this “right” ordinary people must be treated like a criminal, a mental patient and a job applicant all in one.
I think you do not understand the concept of a “right” Mr. Lutze, nor do you, Mr. Tanaka.
Rachel Madow Has A New Look!
Letter from Der Staat: “Your application wasn’t postmarked before January 1, 2014; Your property is hereby forfeited.”
Letter dated January 2, 2014.
Really?
Anyone want to bet the CT gun owners will roll when push comes to shove?
Isn’t it amazing how fast registration has turned into confiscation. Were the government and were here to help you!
It will never happen here! LOLLOLLOLOLOL .Keep on voting, slaves!
…and why does the Police need a separate department dedicated to “Public Protection”?….
I know….. Warren….. but still……..
are they sending these out to people who tried to register during the “amnesty” period?
Gun banners have been racists going clear back to before the Civil War.
They’re just getting in tune with the whole modern propaganda drive to avoid being racist to blacks. So now they’re racists against whites.
The letter is bogus.
Anyone even notice the date of the letter?
It’s dated 1/2/2014.
So for this to be a real letter a couple of things had to happen:
1) The addressee would have had to mailed the letter 1/2/2014.
2) CT Police would have to receive the letter 1/2/2014.
3) Lt Cooke would have to write the above letter 1/2/2014.
None of that happened because that would require government to move at warp speed. And we know the Post Office and the Police don’t move that fast.
Also a buddy of mine called CT and spoke to Lt Cooke. He is a real person.
Not sure if they are racists or not, but for sure they are a hate group. I don’t see how advocating for removing somebody’s constitutional rights is not seen like that.
The question I would like to ask MDA is if it is white racists with guns are a problem then why are African-Americans responsible for a disproportionate share of [mostly black-on-black] homicides? Are they saying that only Caucasian-Americans can be responsible with firearms?
Ok, I’m confused. The article says these images were re-labeled; what does that mean? Is this like that image (the domestic violence one where the woman is walking on a trail in a forest with crosshairs on the back of her head) that a POTG changed to say that this is why women should be armed?
In things like this, where an image from MDA has been changed, the article really should have a link to the original image, so that we can see what’s been changed. And if the images and stuff haven’t been changed at all, then I fail to see the point. Is it supposed to be that only white people own guns, and somehow white people only own guns because minorities don’t own guns?
Furridom (I don’t know the official collective word for it) is not always sexual in nature (although it almost always has anthropomorphic sexual undertones). Just thought I would point that out.
Weirdos!!!
well done
Wow…like many others, apparently, I leaped before I looked. Had no idea about the ratios. ..I definitely will be doing more research to make sure my money goes where it does the most good…I wonder what Trace and Gary would have to say about these facts….do they get paid to sponsor? Just curious…thanks again for the info and thanks to ALL the brave men and women who served our great country!!!
MDA is a culture hate group.
Allowing parents to keep their guns in their vehicle while in a school parking lot is sensible.
One example I’ve heard involves a mother who has a CCW, drops her child off at school in the morning, stays out all day, and then returns to pick up her child.
If she’s exercising her right to carry a concealed handgun it isn’t sensible to create a law that requires her to drive home, drop her gun off at home, and then immediately leave their to pick up her child because of the 1,000 foot rule.
This allows parents to lawfully carry their gun throughout the day, pick up their kid from school, and then go about their day without a law that makes it impractical to carry a pistol in the first place.
PIers who???
Agreed…here in Washington (SEAHAWKS baby, not Redskins) the clerical support staff at the PD couldn’t have been nicer. Even changed their office hours to accommodate me. A few weeks later? Voila. CPL
And for the most part LEOs are pretty CCW-friendly. Heck I help teach with one and he has me carrying two pistols now instead of one. Far from being uncomfy with civilian carry he’s got me carrying a support side BUG.
Hmmm…a poster on Calguns said he called the 21st of Feb, and his “interview” (which is not part of the process listed in the law) was set for the 28th of Feb…just a week…either they are handing random dates or he was mistaken or they had a huge flood this week
Stupidly CA law sets a maximum on the initial training (16 hrs) but no minimum (rumors had one sheriff had accept hunter’s safety as good enough). But it sets a minimum (4hrs) on renewal, but no maximum! In anycase, many counties have 8 hrs rather than 16.
Anyhow, I smell another lawsuit
FWIW, CA penal code is very clear on one point
26205. The licensing authority shall give written notice to the applicant indicating if the license under this article is approved or denied. The licensing authority shall give this notice within 90 days of the initial application for a new license or a license renewal, or 30 days after receipt of the applicant’s criminal background check from the Department of Justice, whichever is later. If the license is denied, the notice shall state which requirement
was not satisfied.
While the DOJ could delay it this way, it isn’t the culprit this time. The sheriffs are making up a separate stage (interview) and basically claim the clock only starts then. Which is nonsense.
Love my 220. It’s a German frame 2007 model I bought new. The Siglites are getting dimmer and she has a few nicks but it’s my favorite pistol. I have the DAK model and love it. Probably 3-4K rounds through it and hasn’t had 1 problem. Not to many pistols run like a Sig.