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A new Pew poll finds that support for the NRA has rapidly consolidated along party lines in recent years,”’s latest email blast claims, “tilting each side of the gun safety debate to a more extreme point of view. Just 13 percent of Republicans now think the NRA has too much influence, down significantly from 2000, when one in three Republicans thought the NRA held too much sway. By contrast, 68 percent of Democrats believe the NRA has too much influence, up from 57 percent 15 years ago.” I certainly don’t recall seeing any Democratic speakers at the last NRA convention. On one hand . . .

Democrats and Democratic Party supporters man the civilian disarmament industrial complex. The Democratic party platform includes gun control (“We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation”). To defend and extend Americans’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, the NRA must oppose the Democratic Party’s power.

One the other hand, the more Americans who favor gun rights the safer those rights are. By aligning itself so closely with the Republican Party, the NRA is alienating possible support amongst Democrats. Is there anything they can do to “reach out across the aisle”? Maybe start by pulling away from the Republican establishment? Or should the NRA keep on keeping on until and unless Democrats come to their senses on gun control?

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  1. Not really. While the Republican/conservative base seems to be in open revolt against party “leaders” Dems seem to be sucking deep on that government koolaid without any signs of stopping or thinking. You can’t really change the mind of someone like that.

        • >> Then pro-gun Dems need to bend his ear and remind him of where he comes from.

          Yes. We’re working on it. The nice thing about Bernie is that he’s actually more likely to listen to his supporters.

    • How can you teach people who are this dumb? Being a gun owner and voting for the party of the NFA, GCA, Hughes Amendment, AWB is like a Jew voting for the Nazi Party.

      • What an ignorant ass you must be. Do you think gun rights are the only things in either the Dems or Rethugs campaigns? I carry daily and my wife carries daily, and we are both Democrats. Why? Because the Republicans are anti-women, anti-black, anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, or any other religion other than Southern Baptist. The Republicans are trying to kill off the poor, and trying to annihilate the middle class. They are all for giving our tax monies to corporations that take their profits offshore so that they never have to pay taxes themselves. These are some of the reasons we vote Democrat. As far as gun rights go, Second Amendment rights are getting better all over the country, for everyone, and I don’t see any dangers lurking about . Those idiots that are yelling “Obummer is a-comin’ fer ya guns!” are just a bunch of ignorant hillbillies sitting on the porch with their hound dogs, spitting tobacco juice.

        • John J. Jones,

          I agree with everything you say about the Republicans.

          I thought the Democrats had given up on their gun owner control agenda a couple of years ago, but 2013 proved me wrong. Democrats view gun ownership as a deviant activity that needs to be eliminated — the same way that, say, Republicans view homosexuality — instead of a right to be protected and exercised.

          And it’s not like the Democrats give a crap about consumers and workers and the middle class. Oh, they definitely talk a good game. But if the Republicans are the pimps of unlimited corporate power, the Democrats are whores.

        • +1. Too often knee-jerk reactions rather than thoughtful solutions. “War On Drugs” yet we’re spending billions on a criminal justice system that fails to deliver results.

        • @ John J. Jones – ** What an ignorant ass you must be. Do you think gun rights are the only things in either the DemoKKKlansman or Rethugs campaigns? DemoKKKrats are anti-women, anti-black, anti-Hispanic, anti-Muslim, or any other religion other than State-is-God. The DemoKKKrats are trying to create more poor, by trying to annihilate the middle class. They are all for giving our tax monies to corporations that take their profits offshore so that they never have to pay taxes themselves.

          Fixed that for you, Scooter.

          And if you honestly don’t see any dangers lurking about, then you are — for an incontrovertible fact — every bit as ignorant as you knowingly falsely claim that anybody else here is. You clearly don’t read this blog, and you clearly haven’t been keeping up with current events. Oh, and those “idiots” and “ignorant hillbillies” you hear yelling about Obama coming for our guns? They’re fucking right.

          Fmr. President William J. Clinton does.

          “And we should — then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them.”

          “When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans …And so a lot of people say there’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it. That’s what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the public housing projects, about how we’re going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make people safer in their communities.” – MTV’s “Enough is Enough!”, 22 March, 1994

          “We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans to own firearms … that we unable to think about reality.” – USA Today, 11 March, 1993, pg. 2A

          “If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.” – 12 August, 1993

          “You know the one thing that’s wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say.” – From his speech in Philadelphia PA City Hall Courtyard, 28 May, 1993

          “There is no reason for anyone in this country – anyone except a police officer or military person – to buy, to own, to have, to use a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns.” – While signing The Brady Bill, 1993

          “The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people.” – MTV, 1993

          “I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think – I also associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it’s the beginning. It’s not the end of the process by any means.” – 11 August, 1993

          Senator Dianne Feinstein (D – CA) does.

          “Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe.” – Associated Press, 18 November, 1993.

          “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them; “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here.” – 60 Minutes on CBS, 5 February, 1995.

          “The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.”

          Senator Frank Launtenberg (D – NJ) did.

          “We have other legislation that all of you are aware that I have been so active on, with my colleagues here, and that is to shut down the gun shows.”

          He died in 2013.

          Fmr. Senator Howard Metzenbaum (D – OH) did.

          “No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.” – Constitution Subcommittee, 2 February, 1989

          “I don’t care about crime, I just want to get the guns.”

          “What good does it do to ban some guns. All guns should be banned.”

          He died in 2008.

          Fmr. Representative Charles Pashayan (R – CA) does.

          “All of this has to be understood as part of a process leading ultimately to a treaty
          that will give an international body power over our domestic laws.”
          – United Nations Small Arms Conference, 2001

          Fmr. Senator H. John Chafee (R – RI) did.

          “I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!” – Minneapolis Star Tribune pg. 31A, 15 June, 1992

          “Mr. President, what is going on in this country? Does going to school mean exposure to handguns and to death? As you know, my position is we should ban all handguns, get rid of them, no manufacture, no sale, no importation, no transportation, no possession of a handgun. There are 66 million handguns in the United States of America today, with 2 million being added every year.” – 11 June, 1992

          He died in 1999.

          Then-Senator (now Vice President) Joe “Buckshot” Biden (D – DE) does.

          “Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.” – Associated Press, 18 November, 1993

          Representative Jan Schakowski (D – IL) does.

          “I believe…..this is my final word……I believe that I’m supporting the Constitution of the United States which does not give the right for any individual to own a handgun….” – Recorded 25 June, 2000 by Matt Beauchamp

          “We want everything on the table. This is a moment of opportunity. There’s no question about it…We’re on a roll now, and I think we’ve got to take the–you know, we’re gonna push as hard as we can and as far as we can.” – The Global Dispatch, 12 March, 2013.

 – Interview by Jason Mattera

          Fmr. Representative Major Owens (D – NY) did.

          “We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.”

          “Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the Public Health and Safety Act of 1993 on behalf of myself and nine of my colleagues: Mel Reynolds, Bill Clay, Jerry Nadler, Eleanor Holmes Norton, John Lewis, Nydia Velazquez, Ron Dellums, Carrie Meek, and Alcee Hastings. This legislation, first introduced in the Senate by Senator John Chafee, would prohibit the transfer or possession of handguns and handgun ammunition, except in limited circumstances. It would go a long way toward protecting our citizens from violent crime.

          The need for a ban on handguns cannot be overstated. Unlike rifles and shotguns, handguns are easily concealable. Consequently, they are the weapons of choice in most murders, accounting for the deaths of 25,000 Americans in 1991.

          A 6-month grace period would be established during which time handguns could be turned in to any law enforcement agency with impunity and for reimbursement at the greater of $25 or the fair market value of the handgun . After the grace period’s expiration, handguns could be turned in voluntarily with impunity from criminal prosecution, but a civil fine of $500 would be imposed.

          Exemptions from the handgun ban would be permitted for Federal, State, or local government agencies, including military and law enforcement; collectors of antique firearms; federally licensed handgun sporting clubs; federally licensed professional security guard services; and federally licensed dealers, importers, or manufacturers.

          The Public Health and Safety Act of 1993 represents a moderate, middle-of-the-road approach to handgun control which deserves the support of all members of Congress who want to stop gun murders now.” – Congressional Record, 10 November, 1993

          He died in 2013.

          Representative Bobby Rush (D – IL) does.

          “My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation.”

          Fmr. Representative Craig Anthony Washington (D – TX) does.

          “This is not all we will have in future Congresses, but this is a crack in the door. There are too many handguns in the hands of citizens. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with the Brady Bill.” – Mark-up hearing on The Brady Bill, 10 April, 1991

          Fmr. Massachusetts State Governor and State House Representative Michael Dukakis (D) does.

          “I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state.”

          Fmr. Representative Henry Waxman (D – CA) does.

          “If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all.”

          Fmr. Representative William Lacy Clay, Sr. (D – MO) does.

          “The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take…we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases.” – St. Louis Dispatch, 6 May, 1991

          Senator Charles Ellis Schumer (D – NY) does.

          “We’re here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true! … We’re going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy. We’re going to beat guns into submission!” – NBC Nightly News, 30 November, 1993

          Representative Shiela Jackson Lee (D – TX) does.

          “I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns.”

          Fmr. Representative Mel Reynolds (D – IL) does.

          “If it were up to me, We’d ban them all.” – CNN Crossfire, 9 December, 1993

          Fun Fact: Mel Reynolds resigned from Congress in 1995 after a conviction of statutory rape.

          Fmr Representative Stehphen J Solars (D – NY) did.

          “Mr. speaker, we must take swift and strong action if we are to rescue the next generation from the rising of tide armed violence. That is why today I am introducing the Handgun Control Act of 1992. This legislation would outlaw the possession, importation, transfer or manufacture of a handgun except for use by public agencies, individuals who can demonstrate to their local police chief that they need a gun because of threat to their life or the life of a family member, licensed guard services, licensed pistol clubs which keep the weapons securely on premises, licensed manufacturers and licensed gun dealers.” – 12 August, 1992

          He died in 2010

          Fmr. U.S. Senator and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton (D – NY) does.

          “I’m personally all for taxing guns to pay for health care coverage.”

          “The first step is to take weapons off the streets and to put more police on them. The Brady Bill, which my husband signed into law in 1995, imposes a 5-day waiting period for gun purchases, time enough for authorities to check out a buyer’s record and for the buyer to cool down about any conflict he might have intended the gun to resolve. Since it was enacted, more than 40,000 people with criminal records have been prevented from buying guns. The 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act banned 19 types of military-style assault weapons whose only purpose is to kill people.”

          Fun Fact: There is no evidence, empirical or otherwise, that suggests that the federal “Assault Weapons” Ban had any effect on crime whatsoever. It’s been suggested that the extremely low prosecution and conviction rates (0.05% and 0.017% respectively for 2010) of background check failures actually speaks to an extremely high (93%) false positive rate. SOURCE: Enforcing The Brady Act 2010.

          “If you own a gun… make sure it’s locked up and stored without the ammunition. In fact, make it stored where the ammunition is stored separately. We’ve made some progress in the last several years with the Brady Bill and some of the bans on assault weapons, but we have a lot of work to do.” – “Good Morning America”, ABC, 4 June, 1999

          “We have to do everything possible to keep guns out of the hands of children, and we need to stand firm on behalf of the sensible gun control legislation that passed the Senate and then was watered down in the House. It does not make sense for us at this point in our history to turn our backs on the reality that there are too many guns and too many children have access to those guns-and we have to act to prevent that.” – National Education Association in Orlando, 5 July 1999

          “We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it. It is really important for each of you [kids] to make sure you stay away from guns. If you have guns in your home, tell your parents to keep them away from you and your friends and your little brothers and sisters.” – South Side Middle School Forum, Nassau County, 15 July, 1999

          “I stand in support of this common-sense legislation to license everyone who wishes to purchase a gun. I also believe that every new handgun sale or transfer should be registered in a national registry, such as Chuck is proposing.” –, 2 June, 2000

          “We need to stand firm on behalf of sensible gun control legislation. We have to enact laws that will keep guns out of the hand of children and criminals and mentally unbalanced persons. Congress should have acted before our children started going back to school. I realize the NRA is a formidable political group; but I believe the American people are ready to come together as a nation and do whatever it takes to keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them.”, “Gun Safety”, 9 Sepmtember, 2000

          “A month after the Columbine shootings, Bill & I went to Littleton Colorado to visit with the families of victims & survivors. The Columbine tragedy was not the first, nor the last, episode involving gun violence at an American high school. But it ignited a call for more federal action to keep guns out of the hands of the violent, troubled and young–a lethal combination. Bill and I announced a proposal to raise the legal age of handgun ownership to 21, and limit purchases of handguns to one per month.” – Living History by Hillary Rodham Clinton, p. 503-504, 1 November, 2003

          “He had been involuntarily committed as a threat to himself & others. And, yet, he could walk in and buy a gun.” While Seung-hui Cho did have a court-documented history of mental illness that should have made him a ‘prohibited person’ because he was found to present “an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness“ in a ruling dated 14 December, 2005, the judge did not check a box that would have declared Cho ”an imminent danger to others.“ Additionally, the judge declined to involuntarily commit Cho and instead sent him to out-patient counseling. – FactCheck, 2007 South Carolina Democratic Debate, 26 April, 2007

          “I am against illegal guns, and illegal guns are the cause of so much death and injury in our country. I also am a political realist and I understand that the political winds are very powerful against doing enough to try to get guns off the street, get them out of the hands of young people. I don’t want the federal government preempting states and cities like New York that have very specific problems. We need to have a registry that really works with good information about people who are felons, people who have been committed to mental institutions. We need to make sure that that information is in a timely manner, both collected and presented. We do need to crack down on illegal gun dealers. This is something that I would like to see more of. We need to enforce the laws that we have on the books. I would also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We now have, once again, police deaths going up around the country, and in large measure because bad guys now have assault weapons again.” – 2008 Democratic Debate, Las Vegas, NV

          Fun Fact: The death of police officers in the line of duty have been steadily going down along with violent crime rates since the 1990s, and so-called “assault weapons” – which do not even exist – account for less than 1% of all homicides and an equally small percentage of officer deaths.

          “I will be a good partner, for cities like Philadelphia, as president. Because I will bring back the so-called COPS program, where we had 100,000 police on the street, which really helped drive down the crime rate and also helped create better community relations. I will also work to reinstate the assault weapons ban. We had it during the 1990s. It really was an aid to our police officers, who are now once again, because it has lapsed–the Republicans will not reinstate it–are being outgunned on our streets by these military-style weapons. I will also work to make sure that police departments get access to the federal information that will enable them to track illegal guns, because the numbers are astounding. Probably 80% of the guns used in gun crimes got there illegally. And under the Republicans, that information was kept from local law enforcement.” – Philidelphia primary debate, 16 April, 2008

          Fun Fact: The police have unfettered access to machine guns and explosives. Under the Department of Defense’s 1033 program, even city morges get fully-automatic M4s, burst-fire M16s, and even grenade launchers. Whether or not they even want them, and many don’t, is irrelevant as there isn’t any echanism to refuse receipt of or return any of it. Contrast this with the 9MM and .380 ACP handguns that make up the vast majority of “crime” guns, according to BATFE E-Trace data. Said E-Trace is also never “kept secret” for law enforcement, either. Tracing a gun is also useless becaue 1.) it can’t and won’t tell you where it’s been, how it got there, and how long it was there and 2.) there is no difference between a so-called “crime” gun and general “trace data”. That data is also never purged. Once a gun is entered into the E-Trace system, it stays there forever.

          A note on so-called “assault weapons”: they don’t exist. It’s a media buzz-word cointed by none other than the late Sarah Brady, former head of what was Handgun Control Inc.. It was and still is used exclusively by those who don’t know what they’re even talking about to confuse low-information voters. Like, Hillary Rodham Clinton, for instance.

          “We’ve got to rein in what has become an almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime, and I don’t believe that is in the best interest of the vast majority of people.” Citing a number of shootings that arose from minor arguments over loud music or texting, she drew a comparison: “That’s what happens in the countries I’ve visited where there is no rule of law and no self-control. That is something that we cannot just let go without paying attention.” – “Anywhere, Anytime Gun Culture”, Wall Street Journal, 6 May, 2014.

          “I believe that we need a more thoughtful conversation. We cannot let a minority of people—and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people—hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people.” – “Hillary Clinton Equates Gun Control Opponents With Terrorists”,, 18 June, 2014

          Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson (D) does.

          “We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.”

          Colorado State Senator (and Majority Leader) John Morse (D) does.

          “People who own guns are essentially a sickness in our souls who must be cleansed.”

          New Jersey State Senators Loretta Weinberg, Sandra Cunningham, and Linda Greenstein all do.

          “We needed a bill that was going to confiscate, confiscate, confiscate… They don’t care about the bad guys. All they want to do is have their little guns and do whatever they want with them.”

          Fmr. California State Senator Leland Yee (D) does.

          “It is extremely important that individuals in the state of California do not own assault weapons. I mean that is just so crystal clear, there is no debate, no discussion.” – CBS San Francisco, 20 May, 2012, before he was arrested for, charged with, and plead guilty to: gun-trafficking, taking bribes, money laundering, and official corruption on 24 March, 2014.

          He has since plead guilty to all of those charges, and he is schedule to be sentenced ca. 21 October, 2015.

          Fmr. United States Attorney General Eric B. Holder does.

          “[We have to have] as part of the gun initiative, though, an informational campaign to really change the hearts and minds of people in Washington, D.C., and in particular our young people. They are saturated with guns in media and entertainment, [and] by the entertainment industry with violence, and I think too many of our young people, in particular our young men are fascinated with violence and in particular with guns. And what we need to do is change the way people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that’s not acceptable, that’s not hip, to carry a gun anymore.

          In the way we changed out attitudes about cigarettes, y’know, when I was growing up people smoked all the time. I mean, both my parents did. But, over time we changed the way people thought about smoking, and so now why have people who cower outside of buildings and kinda’ smoke in private and don’t want to admit it. And I think that’s what we need to do with guns.

          … One thing that I think is clear with young people, and with adults as well, is that we jut have to be repetitive about this. It’s not enough to simply have a catchy ad on a Monday and then only do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week, and really just brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.” – C-SPAN2, 1995

          Fmr. United States Attorney General Janet “Waco” Reno does.

          “Gun registration is not enough.” – On ABC’s “Good Morning America”, 10 December, 1993

          “Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.”

          Fmr. U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark does.

          “Denouncing defensive gun ownership as “anarchy, not order under law–a jungle where each relies on himself for survival,” and an insult to government, for “[a] state in which a citizen needs a gun to protect himself from crime has failed to perform its first purpose. “ – Crime In America, 107, 1970

          Fmr. Director of the ATF John Magaw does.

          “The truth is, [handguns] are used to assassinate people, to kill people, because they are very easily concealed, you can drop them in any pocket.” – When interviewed by ABC’s Day One correspondent John McKenzie.

          Boston Police Commissioner William Evans does.

          “Having long guns – rifles and shotguns – especially here in the city of Boston, I think we should have, as the local authority, some say in the matter. For the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun. Nobody needs a rifle.” – Boston Public Radio, 23 July, 2013

          Fmr. Chief of Police for Los Angeles, California Bernard Parks does.

          “We would get rid of assault weapons. There would not be an assault weapon in the United States, whether it’s for show or someone having it in a collection.” – Reuters, 9 June, 2000

          Fmr. New York City Police Commissioner Patrick V. Murphy did.

          “We are beyond the stage of restrictive licensing and uniform laws. We are at the point in time and terror when nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons.” – 7 December, 1970

          “We are at the point in time and terror where nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police, and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons. And I would look forward to the day when it would not be necessary for the policeman to carry a sidearm.” – Testimony before the National Association of Citizen Crime Commissions.

          He died in 2011.

          Fmr. Deputy Comm. of the Florida State Dept. of Health, Joyner Sims, does.

          “The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take [one] step at a time and go for limited access first.” – Chicago Tribune, 7 November, 1993

          Fmr. San Jose Police Chief Joseph McNamara does.

          “My experience as a street cop suggests that most merchants should not have guns. But I feel even stronger about the average person having them…most homeowners…simply have no need to own guns.”

          East Palo Alto Police Detective Rod Tuason does.

          “Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night. Should’ve pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!”

          He is currently being investigated for ethics violations.

          Branford, Connecticut Police Officer Joseph Peterson does.

          “I [would] give my left nut to bang down your door and come for your gun.” Those are his exact words to a long-time “friend” of his . . .

          Connecticut Superior Court Judge Robert C. Brunetti does.

          “No one in this country should have guns. I never return guns.”

          Connecticut Superior Court Judge Edward Mullarkey does, too.

          “Those who support the Second Amendment should be ashamed.”

          New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) does.

          “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.” – New York Times, 21 December, 2012

          Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel does.

          “We’re bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of guns.”

          Fmr. Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley does.

          “If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own hand guns… “ – Federal Gun Legislation Press Conferenece in Washingto, D.C., 13 November, 1998

          Fmr. Stockton, CA Mayor Barbara Fass does.

          “I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um, people have woken up, quote, to what’s happened, it’s gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the banning of semi-assault military weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step.”

          Deborah Prothrow-Stith, Office of Government and Community Programs and the Community Violence Prevention Project at the Harvard School of Public Health, does.

          “My own view on gun control is simple: I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anybody would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned.”

          Chester M. Pierce, Fmr. Harvard psychiatrist, does.

          “Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a separate entity. It’s up to you as teachers to make all these sick children well by creating the international child of the future.” – Speaking as an “expert” in public education, 1973 International Education Seminar

          Fmr. Chancellor of Boston University John Silber did.

          “I don’t believe anybody has a right to own any kind of a firearm. I believe in order to obtain a permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn’t count!”

          He died in 2012.

          Sarah Brady, fmr. Chairman of Handgun Control Inc. (now The Brady Campaign) did.

          “…I don’t believe gun owners have rights.” – Hearst Newspapers, October 1997

          “The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I’m just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough.” – 1 July, 1988

          “We must get rid of all the guns.” – Speaking on behalf of HCI, with Sheriff Jay Printz (of Printz v. U.S. fame no less!), “The Phil Donahue Show”, September, 1994

          “The only reason for guns in civilian hands is for sporting purposes.” – “Keepig The Battle Alive”, Tampa Tribune, 21 October, 1993

          She died in 2015.

          James Brady, husband of Sarah Brady, did.

          “For target shooting, that’s okay. Get a license and go to the range. For defense of the home, that’s why we have police departments.” – Parade Magazine, 26 June, 1994

          He died in 2014.

          Nelson T. “Pete” Shields, Sarah Brady’s predecessor at HCI, does.

          “Our ultimate goal – total control of handguns in the United States – is going to take time…The first problem is to slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced…The second problem is to get handguns registered. And the final problem is to make the possession of handguns and all handgun ammunition –except for the military, policemen, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors– totally illegal.” – The New Yorker Magazine, 26 July, 1976, pg. 53F

          Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director of the Violence Policy Center, does.

          “Americans are ready to hate somebody, and it’s going to be the gun industry.” – Newsweek Magazine, 16 May, 1994

          “The word ‘hate’ is a very carefully chosen word. There’s got to be a real sense of revulsion and disgust. People are looking for someone to blame, someone who’s the cause of their problems, and it should be the gun industry. These guys are the living embodiment of the slogan, ‘Guns don’t kill people-people kill people’. They’re complete mercenaries.” – The New American Magazine, 13 June, 1994

          “A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls … and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act … [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns.”

          “We need to ratchet down the firepower in civilian hands. We need to get assault weapons off our streets and off the gun store shelves … We should ban handguns.” – “NRA’s “really big problem”: Why it’s dependent on a dwindling fringe”,, 13 June, 2014.

          Michael K. Beard, Fmr President of The Coalition To Stop Gun Violence, does.

          “Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun. In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and regulation.” – The Washington Times, 9 December, 1993

          Shannon Watts, head of Moms Demand Action, does.

          “I’ll be pretty clear on this. @MikeBloomberg and I want guns gone. Period. It doesn’t matter what it takes.” – From Twitter, 10 June, 2014

          “Banning assault weapons. If you ban the assault weapons listed in the (Sen. Dianne) Feinstein bill, you would still have 2,000 firearms to choose from.”

          The League of Women Voters of Illinois does.

          “The League supports legislative controls to stop the proliferation of private ownership of handguns and their irresponsible use. The League advocates restricting access to semi-automatic assault type weapons.” – 2001 – 2003 Positions-in-Brief

          Time Magazine does.

          “As you probably know by now, Time’s editors, in the April 13 issue, took a strong position in support of an outright ban on handguns for private use.” – Letter to the NRA, 24 April, 1981

          The New York Times does.

          “The only way to discourage the gun culture is to remove the guns from the hands and shoulders of people who are not in the law enforcement business.” – Unsigned editorial, 24 September, 1975

          The Washington Post does.

          “No presidential candidate has yet come out for the most effective proposal to check the terror of gunfire: a ban on the general sale, manufacture and ownership of handguns as well as assault-style weapons.” – “Guns Along the Campaign Trail”, 19 July, 1999, pg. A18

          “The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned…We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them.” – “Legal Guns Kill Too”, 5 November, 1999

          The Star-Ledger Editorial Board does.

          “So do all the voluntary gun buybacks you want. But until they are mandatory, and our society can see past its hysteria over “gun confiscation,” don’t expect it to make much difference.” – “What N.J. really needs is mandatory gun buybacks: Editorial”, 19 September, 2014

          The L.A. Times does.

          “Under our plan individuals could own sporting weapons only if they had submitted to a background check and passed a firearms safety course. Other special, closely monitored exceptions could be made, such as for serious collectors.” – “Taming the Gun Monster: The Guns Among Us” (Editorial), 10 December, 1993

          “Recommending that federal law limit ordinary citizens to “ownership [only] of sporting and hunting weapons,” – “Taming the Gun Monster: How Far to Go” (Editorial), 22 October, 1996

          The Philidelhpia Inquirer does.

          “Wills has also written “Every civilized society must disarm its citizens against each other. Those who do not trust their own people become predators upon their own people. The sick thing is that haters of fellow Americans often think of themselves as patriots.” – “Or Worldwide Gun Control?”, 17 May, 1981

          Michael Gartner, Fmr. President of NBC News, does.

          “There is no reason for anyone in this country, for anyone except a police officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution.” – USA Today, “Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?”, 16 January, 1992

          Charles Krauthammer, a nationally syndicated columnist, does.

          “In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.” – From “Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet.”, The Washington Post, 5 April, 1996

          “I have no problem in principle with gun control. Congress enacted (and I supported) an assault weapons ban in 1994. The problem was: It didn’t work. (So concluded a University of Pennsylvania study commissioned by the Justice Department.) The reason is simple. Unless you are prepared to confiscate all existing firearms, disarm the citizenry and repeal the Second Amendment, it’s almost impossible to craft a law that will be effective.” – From “The root of mass-murder.”, The Washington Post, 20 December, 2012

          Molly Ivan, another nationally syndicated columnist, does.

          “Ban the damn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog.” – 19 July, 1994

          Gerald Ensely, of the Tallahassee Democrat, does.

          “How is it that the supposed greatest nation on earth refuses to stop the unholy availability of guns? I’m not talking about gun control. I’m not talking about waiting periods and background checks. I’m talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I’m talking about repealing or amending the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Gun freaks say if you take away their guns only outlaws will have guns. That’s a chance worth taking. Because if we ban guns, eventually the tide will turn. It might take 10 years or 20 years. Hell, it might take 50 years. But if we make it illegal to own a handgun, eventually there will be no handguns.

          Those of us who think widespread handgun ownership is insane need to keep speaking up. We need to teach our children handguns are wrong. We need to support any measure that limits their availability — and work to repeal the Second Amendment. We need to keep marching forward until someday this nation becomes civilized enough to ban guns. One of the frequent refrains of gun freaks about President Obama is “He’s coming for our guns.” Obama never said such a thing. But I will:

          We’re coming for your guns. And someday, we’ll take them.” – In “Stop the insanity: Ban guns”, 23 Bovember, 2014

          Garry Willis, “historian” and writer, does.

          “Mutual protection should be the aim of citizens, not individual self-protection. Until we are willing to outlaw, the very existence or manufacture of civilian handguns we have no right to call ourselves citizens or consider our behavior even minimally civil.” – “John Lennon’s War”, Chicago Sun times, 12 December, 1980

          “Professor” Dean Morris, Director of the Law Enforcement Assistance Association does.

          “I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers…No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun.”

          J. Elliot Corbett, Secretary of the National Council for Responsible Firearms Policy, does.

          “We are now supporting the President’s bill which provides stringent restrictions on rifles and shotguns. We shall also get behind the bill which provides for national registration and licensing. I personally believe handguns should be outlawed.” – 17 June, 1968

          “Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation passed.” – Interviewed for the Washington Evening Star, 19 September, 1969

          Rosie O’Donnell does.

          “I think there should be a law — and I know this is extreme — that no one can have a gun in the U.S. If you have a gun, you go to jail. Only the police should have guns.” – Ottawa Sun, 29 April, 1999

          “I don’t care if you want to hunt, I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, sorry, you are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.” – The Rosie O’Donnell Show, 19 April, 1999.

          The American Civil “Liberties” Union does.

          “We urge passage of federal legislation … to prohibit … the private ownership and possession of handguns.” – National ACLU Policy #47, adopted by its Board of Directors in Semptember, 1976

          The United Nations does.

          “Tighten controls on the gun trade in the United States and other member nations.” – UN Disarmament Commission

          Poughkeepsie, NY Mayor John Tkayik (R) knows the truth.

          “I’m no longer a member of MAIG. Why? It did not take long to realize that MAIG’s agenda was much more than ridding felons of illegal guns; that under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens.”

          He is currently running for New York State Senator, 41st District.

          Sioux City, MO Mayor Bob Scott knows the truth, too.

          “I was never an active member. They’re not just against illegal guns, they’re against all guns.”

          So does Madeira Beach, FL Mayor Patricia Shontz.

          “I am withdrawing because I believe the MAIG is attempting to erode all gun ownership, not just illegal guns. Additionally, I have learned that the MAIG may be working on issues which conflict with legal gun ownership. It appears the MAIG has misrepresented itself to the Mayors of America and its citizens. This is gun control, not crime prevention.”

          Nashua, NH Mayor Donnalee Lozeau knows.

          “I simply cannot be part of an organization that chooses this course of action instead of cooperatively working with those that have proven over a lifetime of work their true intentions.”

          Edgewood, KY Mayor John D. Link found out.

          “Sometime ago, I attended a meeting with many city officials from throughout the United States. At this meeting there was a table with the title “Mayors Against Illegal Guns.” Not wanting illegal guns, I signed the form not knowing what kind of spin would ensue. As it turned out, I was against the 2nd amendment, etc. I have since been removed from the “Mayors Against Illegal Guns” movement. On our city website I have a letter to all stating my position. I’m not against the NRA, guns, or hunting, and never will be.”

          Oldmans Township, NJ Mayor Harry Moore knows better now.

          “It is simply unconscionable that this coalition, under your [Michael Bloomberg’s] leadership, would call for a repeal of the Shelby/Tiahrt amendment that helps to safeguard criminal investigations and the lives of law enforcement officers, witnesses, and others by restricting access to firearms trace data solely to law enforcement. How anyone, least of all a public official, could be willing to sacrifice such a law enforcement lifeline in order to gain an edge in suing an industry they have political differences with is repugnant to me. The fact that your campaign against this protective language consisted of overheated rhetoric, deception, and falsehoods is disturbing.”

          I could go on literally for days and days, listing pages upon pages of people saying exactly how and why they’re coming for our guns. Not a single bit of it could ever be supported, defended, or refuted by them, either.

        • Hit the nail on the head. You don’t have to be a senseless redneck and citizen-hating superpatriot to own or at least respect firearms. Plenty of normal Americans own firearms and the Republicans are drawing from a base that is anything but normal.

          When Bobbie Jindal says that your party is getting to be the party of the loons (or the stupid, or whatever that famous comment was) then you know that Republican insanity is pretty bad.

        • @god — And you don’t have to be a condescending dirtbag and citizen-hating Statist with a wholly unearned sense of moral and intellectual superiority, either, but you are. Plenty of normal Americans do own guns, and it’s the DemoKKKrats that are drawing from a base that is anything but normal.

          When Malcolm-X warned everyone to stop voting for DemoKKKrats, then you know that DemoKKKratik insanity is every bit as bad as they like to pretend Republican insanity is — and this was many, many years ago.

        • Oh, wow, now who looks like an “ignorant ass”. Without the NRA, SAF and Republicans the only thing you’d be carrying is your dick. “we are both Democrats. Why?” Because you like feeding on the work of others then bashing them as if they didn’t do the work.

        • Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
          Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws while Republicans fought them.
          Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
          Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
          Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
          Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
          Democrats fought against Republican’s anti-lynching laws.
          Democrats filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
          Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
          Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
          Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
          Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
          Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
          Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
          Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
          Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
          Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
          Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
          Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
          Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
          Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox “brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
          Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
          Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
          Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
          Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
          Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
          Democrat President Bill Clinton’s mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
          Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
          Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
          Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
          Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
          Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

          Democrats opposed:

          The Emancipation Proclamation
          The 13th Amendment
          The 14th Amendment
          The 15th Amendment
          The Reconstruction Act of 1867
          The Civil Rights of 1866
          The Enforcement Act of 1870
          The Forced Act of 1871
          The Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
          The Civil Rights Act of 1875
          The Freeman Bureau
          The Civil Rights Act of 1957
          The Civil Rights Act of 1960
          The United State Civil Rights Commission

          Republicans gave strong bi-partisan support and sponsorship for the following

          The Civil Rights Act of 1964
          The Voting Rights Act of 1965
          The 1968 Civil Rights Acts
          The Equal Opportunity Act of 1972
          Goals and Timetables for Affirmative Action Programs
          Comprehensive Employment Training Act of 1973
          Voting Rights Act of Amendment of 1982
          Civil Rights Act of 1983
          Federal Contract Compliance and Workforce Development Act of 1988

          The Republicans:

          Republicans enacted civil rights laws in the 1950’s and 1960’s, over the objection of Democrats.
          Republicans founded the HBCU’s (Historical Black College’s and Universities) and started the NAACP to counter the racist practices of the Democrats.
          Republicans pushed through much of the ground-breaking civil rights legislation in Congress.
          Republicans fought slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote.
          Republicans pushed through much of the groundbreaking civil rights legislation from the 1860s through the 1960s.
          Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sent troops into the South to desegregate the schools.
          Republican President Eisenhower appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
          Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, was the one who pushed through the civil rights laws of the 1960’s.
          Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois wrote the language for the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
          Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing.
          Republican and black American, A. Phillip Randolph, organized the 1963 March by Dr. King on Washington.

          The 1964 Civil Rights Act Roll Call Vote: In the House, only 64 percent of the Democrats (153 yes, 91 no), but 80 percent of the Republicans (136 yes, 35 no), voted for it. In the Senate, while only 68 percent of the Democrats endorsed the bill (46 yes, 21 no), 82 percent of the Republicans voted to enact it (27 yes, 6 no).

          Thaddeus Stevens, a Radical Republican that introduced legislation to give African Americans the so-called 40 acres and a mule and Democrats overwhelmingly voted against the bill.

          During the Senate debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871, it was revealed that members of the Democratic Party formed many terrorist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan to murder and intimidate African Americans voters. The Ku Klux Klan Act was a bill introduced by a Republican Congress to stop Klan Activities.

          History reveals that Democrats lynched, burned, mutilated and murdered thousands of blacks and completely destroyed entire towns and communities occupied by middle class Blacks, including Rosewood, Florida, the Greenwood District in Tulsa Oklahoma, and Wilmington, North Carolina to name a few.

          History reveals that it was Abolitionists and Republicans such as Henry L. Morehouse and General Oliver Howard that started many of the traditional Black colleges, while Democrats fought to keep them closed. Many of our traditional Black colleges are named after white Republicans.

          After exclusively giving the Democrats their votes for the past 25 years, the average African American cannot point to one piece of civil rights legislation sponsored solely by the Democratic Party that was specifically designed to eradicate the unique problems that African Americans face today.

          As of 2004, the Democrat Party had never elected a black man to the United States Senate, the Republicans had elected three.

        • You can go back to cheering in the streets for the nutball who shot at George Zimmerman in traffic now, with all the other idiot leftists.

          As a gun owning liberal your opinion on gun rights literally doesn’t matter. At all.

          Best case, you waste range time/ammo for the people actually supporting the hobby. Worst case, you fly off the handle and try to kill somebody for social justice or some muslims over a parking space. At the end of the day, you will still vote for the people who use the ‘racist’ police to kill the citizens who will not disarm. On top of that, you will bow to any calls for registration or confiscation.

          Just sell your firearms now and donate the cash to MDA, or turn them in at the next police event. You’re wasting everyone’s time, including your own, claiming to support gun rights as a democrat. If the democrat party theme changes from “all gun owners are murderers,” maybe things can get better, but good luck with that.

          Have a wonderful day.

        • I’m registered as a Democrat, but voting that way is another matter. Living in an an overwhelmingly Democratic area, my party affiliation gets me in to meetings where I’d otherwise be excluded. And I get to influence (while often holding my nose).

          Am I a 5th Columnist for gun rights? Absolutely, but let’s just make this our little secret.

        • @CSNick: Wow. Just wow. What a leap of logic. From someone being a Democrat to “fly[ing] off the handle and try to kill somebody for social justice or some muslims over a parking space.” You sound just like the antis. Can’t trust the “wrong” people with guns.

          Troll, perhaps?

        • Sir, you seem to be the ignorant ASS. Not all people sit on their porch and chant the government is coming after your guns. Our President with his smirky distasteful look has said. he is going to change everything, and use gun control. Everywhere we have the government control rules in place, is where we experience the most problems. THAT SIR IS A FACT. You cannot deny that. Well you can, but you are just being idiotic.
          Also, any one who does not understand that the gun itself is not the problem is also in need of mental help.
          In every mass shooting case, every single one, the shooter has been proven psychotic. PSYCHOTIC, just in case you missed that word. You your wife and sane people are not a problem.
          However, these ranting,chanting professional politicians are indicating they do not just want gun sales curbed, and gun free zones they are screaming ” NO MORE GUNS ALLOWED IN THE UNITED STATES”
          This is what upsets and well should the law abiding public.They don’t appear to me that they can tolerate any gun ownership at all. This is what they are preaching. They are not open to any compromise. Good law abiding responsible gun owners like you are open to reasonable laws. We and you I would assume, are not open to the unreasonable or impracticable rules that are unenforceable.
          The mundane, stupid idea that a psychotic killer is going to stop and think ,”Hey I’ve got to register my guns, and or apply for a permit, therefore, I will not go out and kill anybody.” This type of belief is more insane than the insane killer. This type of gun control is what the Politicians are telling us. My God, they are nuts. It is my opinion that this type of rhetoric is very dangerous and is not accomplishing anything.
          I have never heard any gun control advocate EVER say Hey NRA and members, what do you think if anything can be done to prevent mass murder by a psychotic that is directly related to the sale and ownership of guns?
          I don’t think there is an answer that the government can dictate or control. If the prohibition of selling, owning, and or manufacturing of guns in this nation would stop this type of killing then give us a way to believe that.
          I really think that people, not necessarily citizens, in this country who want guns can get them illegally. Just as the criminals and nuts buy them today. Normally criminals don’t apply for permission to buy guns. I would also doubt they bother to register them. You know at some point, we have to get real about things. Although, politicians do not believe in anything real or honest. Think about it. When is the last time you heard something a politician say something that you didn’t have to think, “now is that the truth or not?”
          I’ve not believed anything a politician has said since Ronald Reagan.
          Now, back down to earth. the gun control areas set up today by our government does not work PERIOD. So, what is next?


      The problem is not just with our suck-A_ _ president and all of your stupid (D) head neighbors needing jobs, the problem is evident right here. We have met the enemy and there is no ‘we’ it it, it’s YOU.

      Bernie Sanders is ~ ok??? HOLY SH_T YOU GOTTA BE FREEKIN KIDDING ME.


      This blog is TTAG – “The Truth About Guns” and there might not be enough in the ‘gun’ world going on day-to-day to give you these 4-5 new posts a day to comment on if we leave out the political crap. But most of the political crap is about what the EVIL BLUE HOUSE OF LIBERAL (D) BAGS are doing to take away your guns and what the (so far nearly worthless) Republicans have done to beat them back (they have a wet turd approach to things that fails to fool most of us into thinking that they too believe all the (D) B.S. is not just a foregone conclusion).

      If we can just all agree to sh_t-can the 2nd Amendment, then we can move along to chucking the rest, and I’ll devote a little more of my personal attention to making you wish you had done otherwise.

  2. What needs to happen is that more guys like Jim Webb need to come out and tell it like it is. Too bad he’ll be ignored as he’s the only sane Democrat.

    Gun ownership should be like free speech. There should be no disagreement between the parties about how precious it is, maybe then we can focus on the more important things, like going to Mars, or not letting Taurus make guns.

    • If Jim Webb had been your senator, you might think differently about his sanity. I’m glad he is gone but he was replaced by a senator that is even less sane.

    • “Gun ownership should be like free speech. There should be no disagreement between the parties about how precious it is, maybe then we can focus on the more important things, like going to Mars, or not letting Taurus make guns.”

      Agreed, this should be a sacrosanct issue. The only people single-issue about gun control are transnational capitalists like Bush, plutocrats like Bloomberg and sheltered, gated community critters like Shannon Watts.

    • What’s the matter with Taurus? They are now an American corporation bringing jobs to the USA. I own three, the TCP 738, the PT111 G2, and a PT 840C. All are extremely accurate, have had few misfires, and that was the ammo, they all have lifetime warranties, and they are all $400-$600 cheaper than most of the European knockoffs. If it can save my butt in a self-defense situation at a far cheaper price than some pretty showoff piece, I’m all for it.

    • And what are you going to do when they decline your request to fuck-off or die, make them? How do you hope to make that happen? You think your measly ammo supply can effect your desired outcome for for every Democrat in this country? Maybe little less bravado and a little more answering the question asked, please?

      • Sure I know I won’t be able to deal with all the Demokrauts but I will get all I can….. hence the ammo stockpile…. but seriously democrats with guns don’t stay democrats they become independent or libertarian

        All you need to know
        Dnc = god hating, gun hating, baby slayers

      • Jeez, dude…pretty sure his point was that there really isn’t anything the NRA can do to appeal to democrats, not that he wanted them to FOAD.

        If I’m wrong…my bad 🙂

      • I think you misunderstood Chip. He’s not saying HE wants the NRA to FOAD, he’s saying the Democrats want it to.

      • Maybe try a bit more (or less) coffee before reading/replying?

        And what are you going to do when they decline your request to fuck-off or die, make them?

        What would I, personally, do? Cheer NRA on, and send them more money.

        How do you hope to make that happen?

        I, personally, don’t hope to make NRA FOAD. I’m a member, and a fan. Perhaps you should ask your questions of the people who wish for NRA to FOAD? Because I’m not one such person.

        You think your measly ammo supply can effect your desired outcome for for every Democrat in this country?

        This question makes absolutely no sense. What does my ammo supply have to do with democrats wishing NRA would FOAD?

        Maybe little less bravado and a little more answering the question asked, please?

        Maybe a little more reading comprehension first?

        • You seem like one of those people who argue just to argue. I think I’ll just leave you to spin in your swivel-chair of wisdom to contemplate the next Civil War or something. Bye.

        • Notice, how when the election starts looming, POS(D)’s (we could call you “worthless” except you’re slightly more deleterious) come out of the woodwork to claim both parties are the same, and none are better than the other.

    • You’re the face of the guy that every anti-gunner sees in his mind while deciding to vote for gun control, or not. The in your face, wearing cross bandoleers of .50 Cal ammo, with a Confederate flag on one bicep, and a Nazi flag on the other. I’ve been reafding a few of your posts and the only reason I remember them is that I think, this is the kind of person that really makes it hard to convince people that gun carriers are just ordinary Americans. You, and your kind, have done more to hurt gun rights than any other single cause.

      • You’re the face of the guy that every anti-gunner sees in his mind while deciding to vote for gun control, or not. The in your face, wearing cross bandoleers of .50 Cal ammo, with a Confederate flag on one bicep, and a Nazi flag on the other.

        You don’t know me.

        No wonder you’re a democrat. You know absolutely nothing about me, and yet you’re admonishing some ridiculous caricature of me you’ve invented in your own mind.

        I’m not “in your face” with anyone. I don’t own, much less wear, bandoleers or .50 cal ammo. I have no tattoos of any sort, and have never owned or flown a confederate flag. As for the Nazi BS: you left-wingers get to own them. National Socialists, and all.

        I’ve been reafding a few of your posts and the only reason I remember them is that I think, this is the kind of person that really makes it hard to convince people that gun carriers are just ordinary Americans.

        You mad, bro?

        You, and your kind, have done more to hurt gun rights than any other single cause.

        And what, exactly, is my kind? And what, exactly, have I done? Please be specific, so that all of your projected bigotry shows itself for what it is.

        • Chip, you presume to know a lot, but you don’t know everything.

          A 100% true statement, and one I’ve never attempted to refute. But what is its relevance here?

        • Sorry Chip, but I don’t see advocacy regarding fundamental rights as FOAD, especially when demographic shifts demand that 2A outreach expands rather than contract to a narrowing demographic. We need more Colion Noirs and Pink Pistols to push advocacy on all fronts and withing all groups, even the hated Democrats. It’s as simple as that.

        • Thanks. In addition to shooting events, our local Pink Pistols is gearing up to offer the NRA “Refuse To Be A Victim” class to be rolled out to neighborhood groups, women’s groups, seniors, etc., plus holding workshops such disassembly and cleaning, and fun events such as zombie shoots.

          The idea is to encourage more to enjoy our sport and dispel negative stereotypes.

          Our chapter is LGBT-friendly, but not a LGBT group.

        • You still seem to be missing my point. Nowhere did I suggest that NRA should not reach out across the aisle. My comment regarded the anticipated *reception* to that outreach.

  3. I hope that anyone who completely writes-off the ideal of attracting Democrats understand that that long-term demographic shifts favor Democrats.

    We’re going to have to wedge off enough pro-gun Democrats to staunch anti legislation or more big cities and states will creep toward the anti camp.

    The corporate masters on the Democratic plantation will work hard to keep people bamboozled, so we got our work cut out for us.

    • Your point is cogent, but it’s not going to happen. The modern Democratic Party is effectively controlled by radical leftist totalitarians. Statism:right to keep and bear arms::Rosie O’Donnell:erections.

      • Most white Republicans are in rural or small town America, a swiftly vanishing demographic. Large cities, and the surrounding areas, are just getting larger because that is where commerce, and the jobs are. The Hispanic population is the fastest growing in the country, and it won’t slow anytime soon. Blacks are becoming a larger portion also. The only demographic shrinking is rural whites. Most people in large cities tend to vote Democrat, as do most blacks and Hispanics. Many women now tend to vote Democratic since the Republicans have renewed their anti-woman stance. That leaves only a few white hillbillies, with their wives, who will be voting for the right. Given their choices between the Klown Trump, Ben Carson, and Jeb Bush I don’t see anyone from the GOP in the White House any time soon. Congress has done nothing since the voters put the Tea Party in. They were supposed to shake things up, but succeeded in only dividing Republicans even more, so some of those seats will be going back to the left.

        • I agree with the content of your assessment. A lot of Republicans have already decided the 2A is a partisan wedge issue, which is only convenient as long as they hold a demographic grip on larger southern states and can effectively use 2A a wedge issue among exurban and rural whites. I don’t think it is a strictly partisan issue and that support for gun-control among Democrats–particularly among Latinos and blacks–is very soft and rife for conversion. Some compartmentalization will be necessary to make this happen and that some POTG will have to refrain from 2nd civil-war rhetoric long enough to get the message across.

        • John J. Jones,

          Once again, I agree with most of your analysis, except “Republicans have renewed their anti-woman stance“. It wasn’t the Republicans in the Colorado State Senate who told a rape victim to fuck off and die to her face.

          We Support A Woman’s Right To Choose ™, Unless We Disagree With Her Choice. This message brought to you by the Democrat Party“.

          Republicans don’t hate women. They just hate anybody who isn’t rich.

        • Kool-Aid drinker, The long term demographics that the democrats keep promising to end conservative voters is meant to dissuade conservatives from voting. They have been saying the same thing since 1980. You do realize that if the same percentage of white men that voted in 2010 and 2014 for republicans Obama loses in 2012 correct? Obama won because conservatives failed to show. Secondly ideas matter. As more women, minorities and others gain more success in the economic free market it is quite likely that they will notice how much they actually pay in taxes. Most of their education comes from the indoctrination that now is called “college.” Getting into the real world wakes people up to the facts of life. You act as if everyone here is a bunch of “hillbillies” and uneducated “white guys.” Your understanding displays ignorance of this site, the thousands of educated and successful professionals that read this site and thirdly your posts display ignorance of believers in the freedom of mankind. You act as though what you say is guaranteed to come to fruition. History often reminds us that the unexpected is the only thing to be expected.

        • @John J. Jones — Blacks haven’t been a larger percentage of the population that they are now since the 1960s, and that’s not about to change, either. You can thank Margaret Sanger’s eugenics program for that. The only reason why Hispanics are a growing population at all is because of illegal immigration, which is something that the DemoKKKrats aren’t at all interested in stopping or even slowing down because it will only bolster their voter base if and when amnesty is ever passed. They are not now, have never been, and shall never be anything other than pawns to them. Full stop, end of story. Period. Most people in large cities tend to vote DemoKKKrat because they’ve been successfully fooled into actually believing that only the coercive force of the State can bring about solutions to societal problems. In all reality, nothing can possibly be further from the truth, and then they wonder why their lives aren’t getting any better even after they’ve been voting so hard for more of the same for a half century. And the definition of insanity is what, again? Women tend to vote DemoKKKrat because they’ve been fooled in exactly the same way, and exactly for the same reasons. Given the choices between a criminal-in-waiting like KKKlinton who has exactly zero discernible accomplishents to her name regardless of the office she’d been elected to in her entire political career, not to ention being a lying hypocrite just in general in anyway, and the rest of the complete non-starters like Sanders who wants to finish taxing us into the ground for which we’ll still have less than absolutely nothing to show for, it’s doubtful we’ll be seeing a DemoKKKrat in the White House any time soon. Congress has done nothing since voters rightly took corntrol of it from the DemoKKKrats. You expect Sanders to shake things up? He’ll do more damage to the DemoKKKratik Party than you like to pretend the Tea Party ever actually did to the GOP — and that’s saying something.

        • @whatever — A lot of DemoKKKrats have already made it a partisan wedge issue as well, which is actually only convenient for them until their constituents finally begin to realize what a crock it is and always was. They can effectively wedge it between wealthy, lilly white suburbanites and poor blacks against wealthy and poor rural blue collar whites alike. Historians like Clayton E. Cramer and David Kopel have written a copious number of papers covering this amongst the racist roots of gun control — and gun control supporters. Recent polls show that your assessment of the spongy consistency of the support for gun control, particularly among blacks and especially black women, is correct. It’s fallen by as much as 25% among that demographic in the last five years, as we’ve been predicting for a while now. Civil War 2 rhetoric isn’t nearly as rampant as one thinks, it’s just been selectively targeted and magnified over a thousand-fold by leftists and FUDDs that are equally apt to use it as a wedge issue.

        • @Excedrine

          No one has time or the energy to read an overwhelming wall of cut-and-paste rant on a web board. Please learn to make your expressions more concise. If that isn’t possible, please use links.

    • @whatever
      “I hope that anyone who completely writes-off the ideal of attracting Democrats understand that that long-term demographic shifts favor Democrats. ”

      -You are betting that people will just give away their children’s future, and willingly incorporate their country into a socialist third world. Gun sales are proof that some see our society as under attack by foreign and domestic enemies.

      -Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t out to get minorities; they are just exhausted with them. They are exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless complaints, and the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity. The elites explain everything with “racism,” and refuse to believe that white frustration could soon reach the boiling point.

      • Look, I know lots of hard-core partisan Republicans see themselves in an existential battle against the islamo-communist forces of godless evil, but I don’t buy that narrative, and no amount of grandstanding and paranoid ranting on your part is going to make me buy such a simplistic, black-and-white narrative.

        I consider these black-and-white, us-versus-them narratives fodder for sheep and these kind of rantings don’t impress me, I just fell pity as long as the likes of Bush and Trump support the same “common-sense gun control” and pro-police state polices that Clinton does.

        The fact is that support for gun control is soft inside the Democratic caucus and few voters are impressed by single-issue wedges, so I kindly request that you secure your hot dog containment device when I’m attempting to persuade people on this side of the aisle that freedom matters and the Clinton Class aren’t the end-all and be-all of the party.

        • The reason they boil it down to black-vs-white is that nuance and context is harder to digest and don’t make good sound bites.

        • “…hard-core partisan Republicans…”

          The GOP officially supports right to keep and bear arms, and therefore are the pragmatic choice if one supports gun rights. But I think you’ll find that many people who recognize what has happened to the DNC will recognize much of the same rot in the establishment GOP. The DNC vs. GOP dichotomy matters far less than the Progressive vs. American dichotomy.

        • @Grindstone:

          Of course the world isn’t black and white. People may be allies on one issue, opponents on others. And often both sides of an issue can have solid points. However, there are some polar opposite, mutually exclusive belief systems. Individualism (broadly speaking, Americanism) and collectivist authoritarianism (modern leftism) are fundamentally incompatible.

        • Each and every Republican support each and every official position of the Republican Party. /s

      • “You are betting that people will just give away their children’s future, and willingly incorporate their country into a socialist third world.”

        Isn’t that pretty much what America has been doing for the last fifty years or so?

        • Yes, but it actually goes back at least to the early 1900’s, arguably the late 1800’s. But certainly as far back as Woodrow Wilson.

        • Ben, you do know most of Woodrow Wilson’s fellow travelers–pro-segregation Southern Democrats–flipped over to the Republican party, right? I know some people keep trying to re-write history, but that’s the simple truth. You better keep working on tackling authoritarians, statists and grabbers in your own crew before you have another Bush telling you you can’t buy an AR.

        • @whatever: The GOP isn’t my crew, but you are correct that the GOP has far too many statists in the ranks.

        • @whatever – You do know that the “Great Party Switch” is a myth, right? I know people buy into rewritten history because they don’t know any better, but, that’s the simple truth. You better take your own advice and handle your own crew before you have some DemoKKKratik scumbag actually send people to your door to physically take your AR from you.

          And don’t even bother telling me “it can’t happen here.” It can. It has. It IS. It will. Deal with it.

      • You whine about minorities complaints of racial bias is unfounded, while making derogatory statements about minorities, effectively validating the complaints. How tone-deaf can you get?

        • Like environments, there are two types of 2A supporters: those who believe in 2A as a universal right that transcends politics and those who believe that 2A as part of a existentialist cultural war under the banner of partisan politics. They view anyone who doesn’t vote exactly the way they vote as an enemy a traitor and worthy of hanging. I don’t take the second group seriously any more than I take people who view all human development as evil.

        • He’s complaining about complaints he considers unfounded.

          What we have is a vicious cycle of “minorities think they are oppressed so they complain” -> “majority gets tired of hearing the minorities complain, so they get angry with the minorities” -> “minorities notice the anger and…they think they are oppressed so they complain”, round and round and round. I’m not going to pretend to guess where it started, and it probably differs by case anyway, but it doesn’t help when one side reflexively assumes the other side’s actions are *invariably* due to innate racism OR due to bad culture OR whatever. Some whites really are just sick of the complaining, and the counter-productive lashing out (burning your own neighborhood down before even knowing (or caring) whether the cop-on-resident shooting was justified being one example).

          Or another way to look at it: Walk around with a chip on your shoulder, people will notice, and behave in exactly the way that you will feel justifies your walking around with a chip on your shoulder. That applies to both sides.

          Morgan Freeman thought the best way to end racial strife in this country was to stop talking about it. Blacks should realize that not every surly white guy behind the counter at the store is being surly to them because they are black–but maybe because he didn’t get laid last night or his boss just chewed him out for doing exactly what the boss told him to do or something like that. AND VICE VERSA. Reflexively assuming every single slight is due to racism is doing no one any favors.

        • You know who also walks around with a chip on their shoulder? People who refuse to believe that systematic discrimination actually exists and have a psychic meltdown whenever the topic is brought up. I swear to God they throw out the race card faster and with higher velocity than the BLM crowd ever could.

        • It’s not uncommon in Silicon Valley tech for whites to be minorities. We work together, live in comparable communities, and often recreate together with other races and cultures. I feel much more in common with non-white co-worksers than say white blue-collar employees. The bonding is along shared interests and socioeconomic status than race.

    • “long-term demographic shifts favor Democrats.”

      Secure the border
      Deport the illegals
      End Birthright ciztenship
      Cap immigration at 200,000 per year and limit it to skilled or wealth persons…

      That shift becomes a non issue…

      “But Hispanics will vote the dems of we did not give them “free stuff”” They will not vote for us any ways. We avoid it by not passing Amnesty that way they can not vote, if they cant vote they can not vote against us. Its not the hard to understand guys.

      • Henry, have you counted the number of fully-documented and legal Latinos in the population? Have you also looked at birth rates? Are you so sure those band-aids are going to work?

      • None of these will help you. Millennials are much more likely to be either liberal or libertarian than anything resembling the social conservative GOP core that the party has been betting on for the past two decades. And this is regardless of their race and national origin.

    • Actually it favors Libertarians.

      And really, we’ve seen this stuff before. Remember when the Republicans thought the Democrat party was dead? I do. These things go in cycles.

      • When some party is declared “dead”, it’s usually for a good reason, though. Sure, they may come back, but they won’t come back in the same shape.

        That said, I don’t think that position on gun control would change in the upcoming inevitable GOP reboot. It’s one thing that does unite conservatives and libertarians, so even as the latter gain more clout, this particular plank won’t be affected.

    • The NRA can try to attract all the Dems it wants to, but until those particular would-be converts are a large enough force within their own political party to remove gun-control as a central tenant of the Democratic National Platform, the Democratic Party and the NRA will continue to be sworn enemies – whether pro-gun Dems like it or not.

      • The fracture of a great bolder can begin with a small fissure. I see two promising fissures.

        First, Blacks are beginning to wake-up to the idea of self-defense. Thanks to the leadership of a few people, notably the Chief of Detroit’s Police and Milwaukee County’s sheriff. Blacks are fully aware that the gun murder problem is essentially a Black-on-Black problem. They are also aware that they are victimized by Black assailants who rob and assault them. They need not tell-tales-outside-of-school to be self-aware of their own vulnerability. They don’t need anyone to tell them about police response times. As they arm-up they will widen the fissure of the Democrats’ Anti-gun platform.

        Second, women are beginning to wake-up to the idea of self-defense. Statistically, non-Black women don’t suffer the same victimization rates as Blacks; nevertheless, they are concerned about their own safety and that of their children. Word gets around in the “old-girl network”; as one women buys a gun or gets a CWP she tells 2 friends and we know where the story leads.

        We are seeing growth rates in CWPs issued to Blacks and women in the double-digits. At a 10% growth rate, the number of Blacks and Women with CWPs doubles in 7 years. At a 15% growth rate it doubles in 4.7 years (per the rule of 70). The campaign to resuscitate the Right-to-Carry took 30 years. In another 30 years the rate of growth in gun ownership for self-defense from these two groups could completely fragment the Democrat base’s appetite for gun-control.

        If the Democrats want to repeal the 2A they need to be in a really big hurry. If they don’t succeed soon it may be too late for them.

    • I AM one of them thar liberals with guns, and I’ve been preaching diplomacy and now more forceful tactics to get the truth to the hoplophobes. I pains me every time I see myself lumped in with the “libtards” and rabid MDA types. Today I wrote about hardcore grassroots efforts to organize an overwhelming legislator-contact strategy that has historically been effective when applied. Well received so far. Try considering a diplomatic approach; it works in business – why not consider this a business challenge?

  4. The NRA has compromised for years. The Communists………er uh, Democrats should already be NRA members. It was the compromising NRA that backed the 1968 Gun Control Act and the Brady bill.
    Right now the Dems should be bowing at Cornyn’s feet for attempting to fasten the next link in our chain of regulatory serfdom.
    But they wont. They’ll never be satisfied until their utopia of government as God is achieved. The only thing they understand, respect and worship is the power of the state.
    I say to hell with them all.

  5. So how does the NRA make itself more appealing to liberal anti-gun Democrats? Sorry, but I just don’t see it happening anytime soon. The NRA can not even hope to talk to Sen. Chuck Schumer, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Sen Feinstein, little Mikey Bloomberg, etc. And they are the power brokers in the democratic party.

    • But if we can appeal to less liberal, more middle of the road Democrats isn’t it possible that eventually they’ll remove that plank from their platform?

  6. “Is there anything they can do to “reach out across the aisle”? Maybe start by pulling away from the Republican establishment?”

    The Republican establishment is – by no means – any friend of the 2A. If anything, PotG ought to withdraw support from the Republican establishment that is NOT doing anything apart from paying lip-service to the 2A. Our only support to the GOP ought to be to support 2A-supporters who will – generally – be Republicans.

    It makes sense to be nonpartisan. Few, if any, Democrat legislators will stand-up and support the 2A. Yet, some Democrats will stand-aside; i.e., not vote or not be present when it comes time to vote on anti-gun legislation. PotG ought to seriously consider voting for a Democrat who will stand-aside rather than vote for the Republican who has stabbed us in the back.

    Individual voters decide who will win a given legislative seat and what legislation the winner will support or ignore. Ultimately, its far more important to neutralize the gun issue among liberal and Democrat voters. When a Democrat legislator realizes that he won’t win an election based on taking a gun-control stance then he simply disappears from the legislative attack on the 2A. That is all that is necessary for 2A supportive legislators to prevail.

    Very few gun-controllers are passionate; most are merely sympathetic to the gun-control issue. Far more gun-rights voters are passionate. Therefore, we win by:
    – attracting every voter possible to the merits of self-defense;
    – defusing the gun-issue for every non-gun-owning voter.

    • “The Republican establishment is – by no means – any friend of the 2A. If anything, PotG ought to withdraw support from the Republican establishment that is NOT doing anything apart from paying lip-service to the 2A. Our only support to the GOP ought to be to support 2A-supporters who will – generally – be Republicans.”

      People keep forgetting anti-gun, big city Republicans exist. They’re laying-low for now but they will happily engineer another grab if partisans play dumb and vote them in without vetting.

      • “. . . anti-gun, big city Republicans exist.” Are these [establishment] Republicans really anti-gun? Or, are they more or less indifferent to guns and are trading their votes for other votes?

        I can see why a Democrat could genuinely be anti-gun. When you have a Utopia to build you expect to break some eggs. You don’t want the chicks inside shooting at you when you crack their shells.

        I don’t think the establishment GOP crowd is building any Utopia; I think they are simply available for sale to the highest bidder. They have a lot of contributors demanding pork and they have to bring-home the bacon. That takes trading their own votes for other votes. If someone else needs an AWB-bill to pass they will figure out whether they can vote for it; or, see to it that they have something else to do when the bill comes up for a vote. So, the AWB bill gets passed and some military contract gets included in a Defense Department bill later in that session.

        If I’m correct – i.e., that a Republican pro-2A vote – is available for sale, then there is nothing ideological about it. There is only one thing that will influence such a Republican legislator: deny his re-election. We have to threaten him in the primary; and if unsuccessful, vote for his Democrat opponent in the General. If we can threaten to take his seat – and therefore his seniority – his heart and mind will follow.

        If a freshman or sophomore legislator can tell his leadership that he must vote and must vote pro-2A to keep his seat then his leadership can’t “whip” him into compliance with the Democrat agenda to pass Anti-gun legislation.

  7. Over the July 4th weekend this year, I met a cool cat name Jim, a Vietnam Veteran, who blew me away telling me he was a Democrat!…. I had NO idea there was such a People, a Dem. who loves his guns!???
    I told him, He had better stop voting Democratic IF he wanted to keep his guns, he looked at me like I had 3 heads. LOL

    • Big shock, but everyone is single-issue pro-gun voters. Making gun-control a partisan issue only helps Bloomberg and the Clinton Class. If he can’t warm to the likes of Ted Cruz then maybe he could consider Bernie Sanders.

      • Look, Whatever – I actually agree with a lot of what you’re saying… And maybe a year or so ago a lot of commenters on TTAG would have thought so too… It’s been a bit since I’ve been eviscerated online so I might as well:

        In the last few months, after seeing the comment-cloud’s reaction to the gay marriage decision, and after that some other partistan/political issues, it seems to me that TTAG has swerved hard hard ideological right (on non-gun issues) to appease their “viewers” (readers).

        Coming here and seeing commentary about abortion and gay wedding cakes has made this into less of a gun blog, and more of yet another run of the mill right wing political ideology blog. And that’s a shame.

        It’s the same old trope of the “package deal” “you can’t be this unless you’re also that” / “you’re either with us on everything or you’re against us” ideologues. I’m guessing that this gets more revenue and growth which, for sure, a site’s got a prerogative to do, but I’m not so sure it’s great for the 2A advocacy situation.

        I’ve described myself as a “socially liberal pro-2a” person, but you’ll see, for the most part, swagger-filled comments of “HAH! DOESNT EXIST!” when it comes to that… “No atheists own guns”, etc, and pretty much the commentary has become a river of chairborne rangers screaming “God damn the gayfaigs, mooz-lims, durt worshippers n’ foreign’rs, God Bless Texas! NO F***OTS, NO WHIMPS, NO WHINERS! I EAT NAILS AND KILLED A MAN JUST TO WATCH HIM DIE!” in the last little while. Some commentary has echoed eerily close to claptrap from Stormfront.

        I’m still unequivocally pro-2A, however as a gay non-religious brownish person the message I’ve gotten lately at TTAG specifically is GTFO. At least “below the article”, and a little bit above, too, with some non-gun controversy-baiting (and I’m presuming, view/click baiting) writing. So I’m continuing to read for updates but trying really hard not to comment. So I’ve taken (most) of my missives elsewhere, where young (and even not so young people) who are on the fence may be willing to learn that guns aren’t the spooky thing that certain political bodies have stigmatized them into being.

        The future of gun ownership and the 2A isn’t strictly with camo-wearing OFWGs with a fetish for flaming skulls who make jokes about shooting guys who wear hipster glasses. But it seems that’s where the revenue is, so your argument is likely falling on deaf ears here, for the moment.

        Again, I think it’s a shame, because I think TTAG really was broadening the tent up until very recently. And I think the “WE DON’T NEED EM, KILL ‘EM ALL, FOAD” attitude is … not helping anyone’s cause at all, but serves as some kind of embiggening back-patting. (Talk about “feelings”, seems like a lot of people in the comments here get really uptight “in the feels” if you don’t match their demographic, archetype, phenotype and stereotype.)

        Echo chambers NEVER serve to help the cause. Echo chambers signal that outward growth has stopped.

        I’m trying to see if I have the count right; we’re at “ALL gays, ALL muslims, ALL atheists” at this point being “the enemy”, unequivocally… I’m guessing in the next few months more “ALL” categories will slide in until the only possible way you can be a “real” or “true” 2A supporter is if you look like one guy named Jed; and everyone else is a socialist pinko reptilian.

        I’m sticking around to see if there’s a shift back to a more inclusive attitude (even though that may be ‘for p***ies’); yeah, it actually IS good for everyone if the hipster vegan dude with fancy pants is on board with the 2A issues, even if you can’t stand being in the same room as him due to his *other* ideals.

        I’m really tired of this assertion that “If you don’t agree with me on this other, non-gun related stuff, you need to FOAD because we don’t need you.” – This is how otherwise-allies get alienated, and this is how the wrong people get voted in and the wrong laws get passed. Educate the “other side” about what’s really what, at least those who at first are willing to listen (and they are out there) and you end up having the “other side” being held accountable on this issue. Other battles are for other battlefields.

        And. Yes. It IS possible. I’ve seen it repeatedly with my own eyes and with myself. Be inclusive about the, well, truth about guns and gun ownership, and people will investigate your way of thinking; even if at first they’re instinctually repelled due to what they’ve been told. And once they find out a truth, it’s very hard to “unbelieve” that and go back.

        Sure there are some minds you can’t change. But, hell, I’d take getting *some* on board, rather than making sure they’re staunchly against us just because they’ve been solidly alienated when they so much as *tried* to understand our point of view.

        • I’m right there with you, Michelle. I only de-lurked to keep this post from becoming another session of The Two Minutes Hate where nothing that advances the 2A issue is actually posted. Thanks for your hard work and keep fighting the good fight!

        • Understand that TTAG comments are what TTAG readers make them; they do not necessarily represent the political views of the others of the blog.

          And yes, the audience here is fairly far to the right on average. This is not really surprising, because the editorial position on stuff that has to do with guns is generally about rather absolutist reading of 2A, and that is far more common among more extreme right-wingers than it is among moderates, much less lefties. So you basically get your Tea Party crowd, and then of course any other issue is going to show that partisan bias in the comments.

        • Michelle, very well put. I don’t see what we get out of bashing a fellow 2A supporter because of some other issue. I may agree with you on a few other issues and disagree on everything else. And yet, if we are both supporters of the 2A I’ll join ranks with you on that issue; perhaps I’ll try to persuade you to my viewpoint on some other issue where we disagree.

          It seems to me that when a person supports the 2A then that person is apt to be well-grounded on the principle that sovereignty vests in the the body of the people themselves. That the power-to-govern can’t be found outside of the individuals who compose the constituency of a nation. The delegated power to govern can’t be entrusted to any government that would disarm the sovereignty. Down that path lies genocide, or more generally, democide.

          This 2A cornerstone is a pretty strong foundation upon which to rally. Perhaps we will agree to a greater or lesser extent on policy matters such as taxation or whether to go to war. Such policy agreements can be resolved through the process of a republican form-of-government.

          To forego the 2A is to delegate irrevocable power to a tyranny.

    • Why are you surprised? I have yet to meet a Democrat (and oddly most of my friends & family are Democrats) that couldn’t be shown to be voting against their own self-interests. They vote for intent, not for outcome – for feels and not facts.

      Case in point: I spent a long and patient evening with a friend talking about minimum wage and how it actually harmed more people than it purported to help – helping only those right at the min-wage line, who are actually few in number. For a second I saw a light of realization go on, as if he understood my point, and then he said to me, “well, even if it only helps a few, then its the right thing to do.” *facepalm*

  8. They already do appeal to many. Unfortunately, just like moderate Muslims are afraid to take a stand against the loonies in their ranks, gun toting Dem’s are just as afraid of the crazies in their ranks too. So in the closet they stay, we win enough to not require them to take action.

      • I wouldn’t say so much “excommunicated” as “muzzled.” The last thing the media wants is to admit that it is possible to support issues on the left and care about the natural right of self-defense.

    • No, we’re not “afraid”, it’s just that you can’t reason with the unreasonable. I can’t wholesale shift all of my ideologies to match that of a 70 year old white male Southerner, so I’m kind of SOL.

      I worked to make the recalls happen here, and am really upset that the Colorado 2AA is MIA, and we’re back to RMGO and Dudley who couldn’t give two poops about actual gun rights, so long as his ego is sated.

      So no, I won’t support an anti, but I also can’t support crazies on the other side. You do understand, that if I went to a meeting or townhall with one of these candidates, even though I’m mostly “on their side” with a lot of issues, if I were to try to correct them on firearm issues, they’d just call me a republican plant and throw me out.

      So it’s not about fear. But if it becomes worthless to expend energy against those who you can’t change, but those working for widespread pro-gun issues won’t take you onboard because you don’t “check every box” on *other* non-gun issues, that becomes a complete non-starter too.

      • There are few politicians who will actually listen to their voters, from either party and on any level. It should be noted, though, that Sanders seem to be more likely to be the kind that listens. As a pro-gun leftie, that’s where I’d stake our bets, and try to reach out to him and see if his gun policy (which right now is very vague – he doesn’t have anything definitive in his official platform, so it’s basically compiled from various things he said in interviews etc) is reasonable, and not the usual “common sense gun control, like banning all semi-autos” stuff.

        • Sanders claims to have voted against more gun control laws due to his constituency. Fair enough. But that says little to how he will view it on the national level, and even then, still comes off as a, I support the 2a, but….

  9. If a Bloomberg funded anti-civil rights propaganda outlet like thetrace says 68 percent of demonrats have a dim view of the NRA, then it must be true. In addition, all 5 million NRA members must be republicrats. Aargle, bargle, moorble whoosh.

    Single issue voters who support the right to keep and bear arms are not slaves to our two party, or one party with two branches, system. Aspiring statist politicians who run on a gun control platform are going to get slaughtered in the 2016 elections.

    • A lot of them got slaughtered in the last midterm, but the plutocrats money don’t sleep. Pro-gun Dems should confront Bernie Sanders and force him to maintain his anti position through the primaries and the gener. It sure beats having the debate dictated solely by Clinton and her bestie Bloomberg.

      • I don’t like his lip-service to an AWB lately. I wish he’d realize that the people who are hot for a new AWB aren’t going to vote for him anyways, and those who aren’t, might, if he’d make an affirmative statement about “”assault weapons”” not being a real problem our country faces.

        • Write to him about it! Explain that you share a lot of positions with him, but that as far as guns go, AWB is ridiculous, and not just because it goes counter to 2A, but because it plain doesn’t work. Explain how the definition of “assault weapon” itself is based on pointless feature differentiation. Reference this presentation:

        • int19h: Ok, good go — you inspired me to do that right now, so I will.. Funny, I use to educate a lot of antis I meet and know… Just never figured a politician would bother. Granted it’ll likely be received by a staffer, but there’s certainly a chance he’ll end up seeing that presentation.

  10. For starters they could stop inviting nut-cases like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to speak at the national annual meeting. Replace them with pro-gun Democrats.

  11. They have lobbyists, they have check books. A few contributions in the right places with larger ones going to those who actually act pro 2a in the face of leadership. That’s how Washington works, no surprise, they are all at least for rent. Expediency is the name of the game. Politicians stand by their honor the same way prostitutes stand by their virtue.

  12. I think a lot of you missed the point, which is a good one. Support for gun rights actually splits more along urban vs non-urban populations, than party lines. There’s no way to appeal to anti-gun Liberals and Democrats. But, within the nation, there are many whose values are mostly Liberal, but are fervently pro-gun. We all need to acknowledge them and the NRA, in particular, should reach out to them.

    • +1. And proselytize to urban areas too. Hunters rarely get credit for environmental advocacy for example. We allow ourselves to be branded as psychopaths. Seems like a charm offensive is warranted.

    • Support for gun rights actually splits more along urban vs non-urban populations, than party lines

      Half Of The United States Lives In These Counties

      Walter Hickey and Joe Weisenthal
      Sep. 4, 2013, 5:48 PM

      Using Census data, we’ve figured out that half of the United States population is clustered in just the 146 biggest counties out of over 3000.

      Here’s the map, with said counties shaded in. Below the map is the list of all the counties, so you can see if you live in one of them.

      go to the article at to see the map

    • This is absolutely true. And those city centers tend to dictate rules for the rest of the countryside. Lately it’s been a whole lot of “Well, you agree with me on guns, but you don’t agree with everything The Donald says? Then you aren’t REALLY an American!”

      I wager to say that this isn’t helping matters.

  13. ““We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation”
    If that is the Democrat’s platform on gun ownership, then I would have to say they are already in line with the NRA.

    Negotiating Rights Away- Is not a concept that only democrats are indoctrinated with.

    It is no longer DvsR, but it is statist vs. Americans.

    • Not everyone who “isn’t conservative” agrees with the entirety of the DNC’s platform statement.

      This would say that the entirety of the country boils down to two rigid party platform statements. Red armband or blue armband? Bullshit, no armband.

  14. Pro gun civil rights democrats will have to work within their own party to change things. Outsiders are not going to force a change. You have your work cut out for you . It took black people about 170 years to effect change in the democrat party.

    • It’s also going to take more people who aren’t the cultivated political class, running for office. And losing, probably, for a while. But they’ve got to run.

      And that can be a sacrifice for some, since to many, those with the most nuanced and sensible ideas loathe the concept of becoming a politician.

  15. They should get more involved in states like NY or NJ. Start in more conservative areas, maybe try to sponsor events or classes for kids or parent / kid combo. Something light, like target shooting with .22LR rifles (or maybe even air rifles to start, whatever works). Try to get schools to offer a class along those lines, with a ton of safety training. Success won’t come overnight, but eventually non-gunners (and maybe anti-gunners too) would feel more comfortable with guns in their communities.

    But, of course, the NRA took the easy route and pretty much abandoned the blue states, which is something I don’t get. They have plenty of money, but they won’t spend / invest it in places that could use it the most. Yet they have no problem asking for donations from folks stuck behind enemy lines.

    Yeah I get it, it’s always risky spending money on gun-related projects in blue states. But without the risk, there won’t be any rewards. The only voices heard will be those of rabid anti-gun commie Dems running for office, spreading fear, lies and paranoia. So thanks NRA for not offering any alternative to that sort of thinking in the blue states.

      • That’s right, let’s not do anything. That way, the ‘lost cause’ states will get even worse, and when ‘blue’ people move about the country, they’ll vote for more anti-gun legislation because when they were growing up the only experience they had with guns was complete nonsense propagated by career leftist politicians who never had to worry about any opposition from the biggest players in the gun rights community. NRA could sponsor classes or events for kids and parents, provide the equipment and ammo (since most ‘blue’ folks don’t own any) and promote safety training at the same time. Like I said, this won’t win anybody overnight, but it would be a start. A small one, but a start. And the NRA could certainly afford it. But yeah, your approach is much better, I’m just an idiot for not seeing it before.

        • Hey dipshit, spending a million dollars isn’t going to change the minds of Democrats in the lost cause blue states, WTF don’t you understand about that? SMH