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The National Gun Victims Action Council is just as extreme as the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence – only more so. While both organizations would gladly throw the United States Constitution under the proverbial bus to realize their dream of a disarmed America, Fineman doesn’t hide his intentions. In the petition after the jump, we learn that Fineman would have President Obama declare a state of emergency to impose gun control across the nation and establish a “commission” to create gun control laws (excluding “members of the gun lobbies.” Committee of Public Safety much? Here’s Elliot’s plan . . .

Americans are in the midst of a gun violence epidemic. The National Emergencies Act gives the president the power and responsibility to declare a state of emergency when the government lacks the procedures and capacity to address an unchecked natural or man-made public health epidemic.

How much more must Americans endure? Domestic military installations have been attacked; media members have been murdered on camera. Shootings have recently occurred at church prayer meetings, in movie theaters, restaurants, department stores, offices, factories, schools, colleges, national parks and while driving along major US highways.

We ask that you declare a state of emergency to protect us from the gun violence epidemic now. The public space has become Russian roulette–every place is a potential risk. When the H191 flu hospitalized 20,000 people and killed 1,000, you used your power and declared a state of emergency.

Yearly, The Gun Violence Epidemic Causes: [i]
10,000 homicides, 70,000 wounded, 18,000 suicides,
2,000 accidental deaths

Costs of the Gun Violence Epidemic:
Annual: $229 Billion, Each Homicide = $441,000,
Hospitalization = $583,000

The Government cannot stop the Gun Violence Epidemic without information:
Under existing law, states do not have to report prohibited gun purchasers to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)— In many states 90% of mental health records are missing.[ii]

—Millions of people with mental disabilities have purchased guns. We do not know who they are. Nor do we know who has developed mental illness since buying a gun.

—Guns sold at gun shows, over the internet or through private sales do not require a background check. These represent 40% of the guns sold,[iii] and we do not know if these people should be prohibited purchasers

Countries with strong gun laws and our national statistics show “law- abiding” citizens cause most gun violence.  Only 7% to 8% of US gun homicides are gang based — most mass shooters are legal gun owners. [iv]

Rather than attracting gun crime “gun-free zones” repel it.  That is why courts and the headquarters of all major U.S. corporations (including the NRA) ban guns.

Remedy: Declare a National State of Emergency and, among other things, consider:
  The requirements and standards for people to be carrying guns outside their homes.

2. That parents who own guns be held accountable as accomplices for gun violence their children cause with the parent’s guns.

3. That gun trafficking be made a felony to reduce the gun violence epidemic in the inner cities.

4. Appointing a commission to address this epidemic, such commission to exclude members of the gun lobbies, who profit from the epidemic they’ve caused and do everything they can to keep it going.

Clearly, our government does not have the resources, procedures and data to stop the next Aurora, Charleston and Chattanooga. 

President Obama: Use Your Power Today to Halt the Gun Violence Epidemic. Declare a National State of Emergency!

[ii]  Feasibility Study Size, Scope and Costs of Projects Required to Close Information Gaps In Reporting Events Legally Prohibiting the Ownership and Purchase of Firearms. Prepared for the Illinois State Police November 2, 2009

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  1. I know there is a lot I there, but I’m curious about one particular point – the NRA offices. Is it confirmed that they ban guns there?

    I hated moving to TX, but I had to give them credit for their CHL policy at the Capitol. It was putting their money where their mouth is. I’d hate to think the NRA doesn’t do the same.

    • Ditto. The usual garbage spewing is nothing new, but NRA banning guns, unless they’re in DC proper where the state makes the rules, it just doesn’t sound right. The national conventions allow carrying.

    • “I know there is a lot I there, but I’m curious about one particular point – the NRA offices. Is it confirmed that they ban guns there?”

      I don’t believe that’s true, according to EngineerJustin, who edited the sound for the NRA’s New! Improved! Eddie Eagle cartoon.

      He commented on this in TTAG article in May of this year:

      “I did all the sound effects and mix on this video. Let’s just say I can confirm that the song can get a tad old after hearing it 250 times.

      You might be interested to know, when he sets the backpack down on the bench, it’s the sound of a Sig 1911 in my range bag being set on my desk 🙂

      I wanted it to be accurate!”

    • I walked into the NRA headquarters/museum/basement firing range in Mclean, VA while concealed and carrying. I didn’t see any signs saying otherwise and they didn’t have metal detectors or security guards to check. Granted I didn’t take the elevators to the corporate offices upstairs, but I was there for the museum full of firearms.

      So, like their claim I can buy a firearm off the internet or gunshow without a background check, I say this is downright false.

  2. Obama is a would be tyrant. I emphasize the would be because he also isn’t interested in being the next Salvador Allende. He would have to rely on the Army to enforce it and given a chance the JCS would use it as excuse to depose him. They hate his guts.

    Also, my guess is that you could find the requisite number of Democratic senators to vote to convict him.

    • I wouldn’t count on the last. I can’t think of many Democratic Senators with much respect for the rule of law. Obama could messily devour a screaming baby on live TV, and I wold still be surprised if they could get 2/3 on articles of impeachment. That is, as long as Obama continues to pushing the leftist agenda on the little people and continues to take care of the super-rich like he has.

      • We are seeing subterranean rumbles from Congressional Democrats about the incompetence f this administration. The latest being a liberal congresswoman from Hawaii. You can’t enact a leftist agenda without leftists in Congress and Obama endangering too many leftists reelection chances.

    • “He would have to rely on the Army to enforce it and given a chance the JCS would use it as excuse to depose him.”

      That’s a riot. The military has ignored the part of their oath to defend against both enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC since the beginning. They’re blindly loyal to whoever sits upon the throne and on about half a dozen occasions in the 20th century, they followed their orders to shoot unarmed Americans on US soil. If you put your faith in them because propaganda tells you that they’re “heroes”, you’re going to end up on your knees with a gun to your head.

      • “half a dozen occasions in the 20th century, they followed their orders to shoot unarmed Americans on US soil”

        I’d like to see some references, there. I can think of maybe 2.

        • Let’s see, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Philadelphia, NOLA during Katrina, There is 5 off the top of my head in 3 minutes.

        • Zero of those were the “US military”, which was the claim. Is this ignorance or deliberate lies? Government goons and US military are completely different things, regardless of how morons would like to intermix. I suggest that none of the instances mentioned included anyone who had ever sworn to “foreign or domestic”, also part of the claim. And just to add insult to injury, that was only 4, can’t you count, either?

        • You can Google it yourself, especially since (as your response to the other poster has shown), you’ll defend government violence against it’s citizens to the end. However, the Bonus Army (during the Depression) is my personal favorite because it showed that US soldiers have no problem murdering US veterans simply for peacefully protesting against the government. If they’ll gladly slaughter their own (and yes, it was difficult for commanding officers to get them to STOP after they finally decided enough people were killed), how stupid do you have to be to think that they wouldn’t massacre ordinary citizens with a smile on their face? If you want something more recent, who can forget Kent State? I can’t, seeing as I live in Ohio.

          “Government goons and US military are completely different things”

          Absolutely not. Both are sadistic, low intelligence people who swore an oath to blindly serve the government and both gladly kill anyone who disagrees with the government. There’s absolutely no difference, just what word they call themselves to justify their crimes.

        • Publius,

          Even your own example is false. A brief research of the Bonus Army event reveals two deaths; both at the hands of civil police officers. The supposed slaughter you mention seems to be a fabrication of your imagination.

          Based on your third paragraph, it is obvious you have some deep seated emotional issues with authority, and a complete lack of understanding of military service. Best of luck with your hate campaign.

  3. Seems more like we are in a stupid people epidemic.
    Fineman needs to live in Chicago’s south side…. or at very least come visit it in broad day light to see how well gun control works.
    I don’t like guns…. so I’m trying to take them away from law abiding citizens so only criminals and police will have them. All the rest can just pray they are not caught in the crossfire.

  4. Looking at their requests, what are they asking for exactly. I generally agree with them on point 1-3, but I’m not sure what they mean.

    1) consider the requirements for carrying outside the home? I’d love for some attention there – perhaps national reciprocity.

    2) if parents are leaving their weapons unattended and they are being used in the commission of a crime, of course there is a level of responsibility. There is a question of fact that needs to be determined – were the guns unattended or being stored? If my kids break into our safe and get to the guns, that’s no different than a thief. Does every gun need to be in a safe? No. It’s a totality of the circumstances issue.

    3) actual straw purchases on behalf of known prohibited persons (not gifts legit or sales to legit buyers) should be a felony. There needs to be a standard that looks at the intent of the trafficking. If I bring my gun into NYC for personal use (including letting a friend shoot it), I’m sure they’d love to call it trafficking, but it wouldn’t meet my standard.

    4) this I’m not sure I understand. Anytime you want legitimacy, you need to include all vested parties to a discussion – and that would include both gun mfrs and rights organizations. Although, a commission doesn’t seem necessary. If we provided more mental health treatment and looked at it like a treatable and manageable condition that didn’t carry a burden of impacting other rights, I think we could avoid more problems as people seek treatment. I might even become a possible supporter of some involuntary commitments in that situation.

    • 1) With the exception of the handful of constitutional carry states, you already have to be vetted and found to be in a group that has a violent crime and murder rate that is half of LEOs. If CCW permit holders weren’t so law abiding we wouldn’t have any states with constitutional carry, but public carry has become so much of a non threat that states are forced to consider scrapping the permit process altogether.

      2) In mass shooting events the parents are usually the first to be executed. The parents can be held criminally liable and will be held liable in civil court if Jr. goes on a rampage with Daddy’s gun if they do survive.

      3) ‘Gun trafficking’ is already a federal felony. Not much to say other than they should check their facts before ranting about gun laws.

      4) Another feckless commission isn’t going to accomplish anything. Excluding the ‘gun lobby’ would only succeed in stripping the commission of any legitimacy.

      • 3) ‘Gun trafficking’ is already a federal felony. Not much to say other than they should check their facts before ranting about gun laws.

        Gun trafficking is apparently NOT a federal felony for federal employees under the direction of DOJ. Let’s fix that. Every single individual in the chain of command goes to federal prison for 5 years.

    • Katy:

      “3) actual straw purchases on behalf of known prohibited persons (not gifts legit or sales to legit buyers) should be a felony.”

      “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

      Can you point out to me ANYWHERE in those 27 words where “known prohibited persons” is included, defined or even implied? Can you show me where the Second Amendment includes any possibility for any government agency to determine who is a prohibited person? You cannot, because the Second Amendment is and was intended to be a prohibition against the government doing that very thing.

      • Finally. Someone who actually understands. Well said. To all you FUDDs that think it is all right to deny ANYONE their 2nd, for ANY reason, just remember, it did not affect you, so you did not object. So, when it finally DOES affect you….STFU about them coming for/banning your/making you a felon, etc.

  5. “Countries with strong gun laws and our national statistics show “law- abiding” citizens cause most gun violence. Only 7% to 8% of US gun homicides are gang based — most mass shooters are legal gun owners. [iv]”

    This seems like so much BS to me.

    • It looks like they added up the two gang related murder circumstances entries from the 2013 spreadsheet and just ignored all other crimes.
      For their interpretation to be true we would have to assume that if someone isn’t law abiding then they must be in a gang. Which obviously isn’t true.
      Also, the numbers are murders. Not shootings. From my city days shootings among these people were an hourly occurrence but an actual death as a result of any shooting was uncommon making the gang problem represented as murders seem quite small.

      They pick the numbers they want. Frame it how they want. Then present the picture they want knowing full well most people are too stupid or lazy to question the findings.

      • Yup:

        Total 12,253

        included as categories and sub-categories of that total:

        Other-not specified 614
        Other arguments 2,889
        Other-not specified 1,766
        Unknown 4,440

        So, out of all known homicides, not even just homicides by gun, over half of them are not even classified in any meaningful way. Many of the classifications that ARE there probably occur due to gang activity, but just couldn’t be proven to be related to gang killings, or couldn’t be successfully prosecuted as such.

        If they want to take this report as truth, then only about 110 of those murders fall under sub-categories that are obviously not likely to be gang related (has there ever been an incidence of a gang related baby sitter killing a child as payback to a rival gang, that would muddle things a bit.) About another 100 homicides can be thrown in the either way category, and then some unknown number of “other arguments” and “Unknown” would be in there as well, but since a domestic homicide or mass murder is pretty easy to give a cause of homicide to, I bet those unspecified categories fall more into the “we pinned the murder on a person but do not have a clear determination of motive,” realm.

        So what I still gleam from the report, despite their 8% claim, is that it is still the people who are already bad things to happen are the people committing homicides.

    • Highly skeptical of those low numbers for gangs. David Kennedy doesn’t use the term “gangs” (he calls them “drug groups” or something like that), but his research has shown in city after city that half to two-thirds of homicides are between groups dealing in illegal drugs. Further evidence that most murders are gang related is the fact that most murder victims have arrest records (one city Kennedy worked with, the average murder victim had been arrested ten times).

    • Loons on the far left (on this and other issues) have been calling for their great messiah to assume dictatorial powers ever since he took office. I haven’t worried too much. However, at this stage in his Presidency, and with him lately making it clear he has absolutely no grasp of reality, I am getting a bit concerned.

      • It’s just liberal/progressives acting out their suicide death cult fantasies.

        If they actually got “The one” to do this, they would get their subconscious wish of self-immolation in a paroxysm of mass death, chaos and destruction as those “authorized” state enforcers used their arms to try to enslave those that only wish to be free.

        And for those of us that wish to remain free? We will he showm very personally what our founders came to know, that Freedom is not free.

  6. Glaringly absent from the above is the fact that even if they did prevent the next Aurora/Newtown/Ft Hood the numbers they list will still be 9900 homicides 70,000 wounded 18,000 suicides and 2,000 accidental deaths. Where are all the groups asking Obama to send the national guard into all the gang war-zones? I won’t hold my breath waiting.

    • He is more likely to send the gangs against the National Guard. If he had a son …

    • –Where are all the groups asking Obama to send the national guard into all the gang war-zones? I won’t hold my breath waiting.—

      That would be illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act – Federal military troops can’t be used in domestic law enforcement. (The State Governors could call out their individual National Guards for this, but Obama can’t.

      • And I am sure that all those Rebuplican governors would cooperate. /sarc

        Fineman is calling for civil war and he is to stupid to realize it.

  7. Clearly the lunatic fringe of what is generally a collection of barking moonbats to start with. They cite that “40% unchecked sales” figure–and as support, cite an article which says that the statement is at best half-true (and is being flagrantly generous at that). How clever is that?

  8. Good thing we don’t have a Reichstag for these idiots to set ablaze. They’re begging for a boot on the neck, just as long as they ‘feel’ safe.

  9. I think he is mentally ill. He is certainly historically ignorant, and obviously out of touch with what the current crop of liberals and their general pro-Islam ant-Semitic positions.

    Crazy to think a Jew would be cheering for more fascism. Is that part of the whole Jewish self loathing thing?

    • More like the liberal/regressive self loathing thing. Most jews are progressives.

      Most regressives are such because they either sub-consciously loath themselves for being powerless, helpless and dependant and hate the fact they want other people to control them, “for their own good”, or they are are the “elite” that loath the progressives that are powerless, helpless and dependant and support laws that tell those people how they should live, “for their own good”.

      Liberal/regressives- The party of those that want to be abused by their “betters”, and those “elites” that are happy to oblige.

      Or more like a S and M relationship, of a dominatrix and her slave

    • I find the general Progressivism of Jews baffling as well. Were I Jewish I hope I would have the sense to vehemently oppose expansive Govt. Based on literally thousands of years and innumerable examples alone.

      Seems like a while back someone on here linked to an article explaining the Liberalism of American Jewry. I remember it was a well-written article…..unfortunately I can’t recall the specifics.

      • It’s like the Torah, (old testament) says, the Jews (and all other human beings) are a stiff necked bunch. Human beings can’t seem to get the idea that when they ignore the laws of the universe, The laws of G-d, they inevitably self-destruct.

        We are seeing, again, this at work. The liberal/progressives and thier self-destructive and suicidal society destroying actions has happened so many times before.

        There is nothing new under the sun.

        But according to that same bible, we might be in the time when this cycle of endless rebellion is finally coming to a close. We will see.

  10. 90% of mental health records are missing.

    Probably wouldn’t be if progressives hadn’t pushed to shut down state mental health institutions.

    We do not know who they are.

    Partially, see response above. For the other part, not knowing who may have developed a mental illness after purchasing a gun, none of your gorram business.

    These represent 40% of the guns sold,[iii] and we do not know if these people should be prohibited purchasers

    Please, for the love of Mike, avowed crusaders for a cause are NOT a valid, objective source for factual information about that cause. Citing Bloomberg means absolutely dick in this argument.

    That aside, how in the hell do you come up with ANY estimate of the number of gun show/internet/private sales that don’t require a background check? By your own admission there isn’t a record of the sale. It’s awful hard to draw statistics out of a population of 0.

    “law- abiding” citizens cause most gun violence.

    Actual citation needed. The FBI crime report says sweet fuck all about the perpetrators, only that the crime happened.

    Rather than attracting gun crime “gun-free zones” repel it

    Fort Hood.
    Viginia Tech.
    Sandy Hook.
    Aurora Theater.
    Anders Breivik.
    Charlie Hebdo.
    Most all of France, while we’re at it.

    Hell, how about ALL of Chicago and New York City?

    “Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.” – Mark Twain

    • “We do not know who they are.”

      You can damn sure bet they would *love* to create and populate that database, especially deciding the criteria on what behaviors qualify to be included on that list…

      Get into a heated argument with someone at work? You can’t control your temper, your’e on the list. Better safe than sorry, you know…

  11. This is an unusually well thought out and written proposal

    Of course many of the facts are wrong or misrepresented. As such there convulsions are wrong

    The public Heath attack continues to be a major flaw in their argument. The antis are trying to make guns seem like the carrier of a disease. If a legal gun carrier walks into a crowded room of people with a concealed weapon nothing will happen. Statistics support this. If a person walks into the same room with a virulent flu it is very likely to spread to other people in they room.

    Most of us understand the simple truth that a gun is an inanimate object……a tool. It can not act on its own. If there is a violence issue its because of the people choosing to be violent, not because of the tools they use in acts of violence.

    • And quite aside from the fact that the firearm itself is not the virus or bacteria the disease vector, he totally ignores the actual definition of “epidemic.”

      1. affecting or tending to affect a disproportionately large number of individuals within a population, community, or region at the same time
      2. a : excessively prevalent
      b : contagious
      3. characterized by very widespread growth or extent : of, relating to, or constituting an epidemic

  12. We’re in the middle of a gun violence epidemic! QUICK! Send men with guns to forcibly confiscate guns from the guys screaming MOLON LABE and Liberty or death!

    The double think is strong with this group.

  13. Lord in heaven , do we ever need Teddy Cruz in the oval office for 8 years . We must do this . He is a real constitutional scholar and patriot and defender of the oath he will take , sworn proudly upon a Christian bible , to faithfully execute the office of the President and ” preserve , protect and defend the constitution of the U. S.” .
    There is nothing in the oath about the economy , protecting the global climate or taking over every facet of the lives of each and every citizen or controlling guns . There is however , in the constitution , a very strong indication , that those who penned the document , wanted the individual states to be strong and independent entities and not adjudicated from Washington , DC.
    Please support Cruz .
    Iowa , the date is drawing near for your voices to possibly change the coarse of the history of the World .

    • I like Cruz, but he is a puppet and has sold his soul to the GOPe. Only candidate that MIGHT be able to help us is Trump.

      • Ryan ,
        If you truly believe Cruz is a puppet of the GOP then why do the old Republican guard detest him and pull out all the stops to discredit and destroy him ?
        Just google comments made about him from John McCain to Lindsey Graham to Mitch McConnell to John Boehner to Karl Rove and the rest of the old guard .
        Please know that Trump is a agent of the left .
        I don’t know if you remember Ross Perot but history is being repeated .
        Trump will eventually grow impatient with the Republican base when Rubio or Cruz take Iowa and New Hampshire and declare his candidacy as an independent and we will see another Clinton in the White House , pushing the progressive NWO agenda , taking on the constitution and chipping deeper into our rights and replacing them with government protocols . If you support Trump , you are electing Hillary Clinton . PEROID .

  14. Countries with strong gun laws and our national statistics show “law- abiding” citizens cause most gun violence. Only 7% to 8% of US gun homicides are gang based — most mass shooters are legal gun owners.

    It is more like 70% to 80% of U.S. homicides are gang based, whether or not they used a firearm for the murder weapon.

    As for “mass shooters” — assuming that “mass shooters” refers to spree killers (like Umpqua Community College, Aurora movie theater, and Sandy Hook Elementary School) — then yes most of them were “legal gun owners” until they set out to murder a bunch of people.

    It is a fool’s errand to think that government can prevent spree killers from obtaining firearms. Even if some magic enabled government to correctly predict who would be a spree killer and prevent them from purchasing firearms, government cannot stop such people from purchasing firearms illegally, stealing firearms, or making their own. We need look no further than Paris, France to see proof of that.

    If you are so concerned about spree killers, then arm yourself so that YOU can stop the spree killer. Bonus: if you are armed and able to stop a spree killer, you will also have a really good chance at stopping garden-variety thugs who endeavor to take your money, your daughter/mother/sister/wife, and your life. In other words STOP WHINING AND DO SOMETHING YOURSELF.

    Source that criminal gangs are responsible for about 80% of all crime in the United States:

  15. Of course gun-control advocates hate the U.S. Constitution. Such people worship government as the be-all, end-all … the Almighty. How dare a written document limit their Almighty government: utopia is just around the corner and will only happen when Almighty government finally has no limits.

    The fact that such governments exist and never even came close to achieving utopia doesn’t matter. It will work this time. Because.

  16. In New York, the Progressives made a law that requires citizens to register AR style guns. Out of the estimated million or so AR style guns owned by New Yorker’s, only 50K were ultimately registered. In Los Angeles, out of the hundreds of thousands of people who have standard capacity magazines, exactly zero people turned them in after they outlawed them. Why in the world do these anti-second amendment people believe if they outlaw the 2nd amendment that We The People will comply?

  17. Wow!

    There are so many lies and exaggerations in CSGAV’s statement that it’s almost comical.

    First of all, the claim that the NRA does not allow guns in their office is an outright lie. Not only do they allow guns, but they even have a gun range there, as an employee perk.

    Secondly, they’re citing Nanny Bloomberg and Motherf***ing Jones as sources. Need I say more?

  18. He’s right, the “gun violence epidemic” and the swine flu epidemic are the same thing: government-and-media-generated nonsense. Both are so far below the threshold of “epidemic” that it’s laughable.

  19. How would you know that 90% of anything is missing? I can only create a percentage comparison when I have two known quantities. That is as much logical BS as I have ever seen. But I’m just an engineer who took calculus and avoided statistics, so maybe there is some mathemagic I am unaware of

  20. Epidemic. Gun crime has been declining for the past few decades. Coincidentally as states, starting with Florida if I recall correctly, shifted to more liberal CCW laws allowing more folks to carry and have the effective means to defend themselves.

  21. I especially like how he thinks gun control laws will stop suicides. If a person is suicidal, they’ll kill themselves using any means they can. Hell, I’ve read and heard stories about gun owners who tried to, or did, kill themselves, but didn’t use any of their guns to do so.

  22. I did a bit of fact checking here, they used a a source, [iii]

    Checking that source.

    “The best information on the informal gun market is based on a survey and is about 15 years old (the data used in the survey is almost 20 years old). There’s no question that many guns are bought with no background check, but there’s not sufficient current evidence to say that the proportion is 40 percent of all sales.

    Bloomberg’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out that important detail: Half True.”

    Considering that they used one source that claims something other than they stated in the article, I would take everything else with a grain of salt

  23. Man, they’d almost have a point if every claim they made wasn’t demonstrably false.

    Actually, they did make one correct point, that courts ban civilian firearms. That might be useful to their argument if every school, theater, or place of worship had metal detectors and armed guards. But, they don’t. So even that doesn’t support their claim.

  24. The “gun violence epidemic” is this thing that cruises around and causes all kinds of stuff…… Like all the other bogeymen of the progressive retardoverse, like “the inflation” and “the unemployment”; and the mother of them all, “the system.”

    Reagan used to say “Fellow Americans, blah blah some senile crap that admittedly sounded kind of cool coming from him…” That term is now deprecated. There is simply no possible fellowship at all with idiots like this. No commonality, aside from the misfortune of being stuck on the same continent as them. All that is good for them, is bad for us, and vice versa. Their friends are our enemies. Their joys, are our suffering. With absolutely nothing shared, what purpose does it serve to pretend we are some sort of “Nation?” If “they” are America, we should secede and form something else, better, just to no longer have to share anything, even if only pro forma, with them.

  25. EVERY “fact” (not some of them, all of them) presented in that diatribe is a complete lie. Even the footnoted documentation of some facts are lies. EVERY ONE.

    President Obama, you go ahead and declare an emergency to justify firearms confiscation. And you will start the next Revolutionary War. You, sir, will be one of the first people with your back against the wall, come the revolution.

    P.S. Legal gun owners bought more firearms during one day (Black Friday) than the US Marine Corp has. If the military and police ever have to resist a revolution in this country, they will quickly learn that they are out-numbered and out-armed.

    • Well said Sir. And don’t it just tickle a sweet spot knowing that Black Friday was a record all around? Hehehe.

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