Opposition to New York SAFE Act Grows

1. I’m not sure if that law will be able to be enforced in NY, not a whole lot of white left on that map.

   • Except for the white you see downstate. The population in those 8 counties far exceeds all the others you see colored in.

     • Upstate New York needs to secede from NYC

       • Not a bad idea. Time to make city states that can screw themselves into oblivion with stupid freedom killing laws. Looks at the state of Jefferson in California and Oregon. I’m sure we can get to 57 states that way.

       • Give the seven downstate counties to NJ

2. I’m waiting and hoping that New York splits on gun rights the way West Virginia split off on slavery.

   • Okay, but how are we going to fit 51 stars on the flag without it looking sloppy?

     • Maybe 52 would work better. Just get most of Illinois to kick Cook county out and rejoin the USA.

       • Really, California should probably break into 4 states.

     • Make that 2 stars. The UP of Michigan has always claimed sovereignty as the state of Superior.

       • I spent a week with the Yoopers a couple years ago and was impressed at that fact. The pasties at Crossroads in Marquette were divine but having had them it kinda sucks because Phoenix isn’t exactly a mecca for authentic pasties.

       • Well if we do New York, Illinois, and Michigan, then northern California is going to get in on the act. If they go, then Washington and Oregon could separate from the Seattle and Portland metro areas. That would give Colorado the momentum to separate from Boulder/Denver.

         So we end up with…oh now hold on a second: 57 States??

     • I have a much better solution. Make New York City a District like the District of Columbia. Then we don’t have to add any stars to the flag. Bonus: we take away their population contribution towards Congress!

       • Maybe , dig out the Stars & Bars?

     • We may end up with one flag for Obamastan and one for The Confederation of American States.

     • Merge the Dakota’s, then split NY 😛

     • 6 rows of 8 and 7 stars alternating.

   • Serious question (not trying to be snarky). Can Upstate afford to lose the $6 billion in tax money that NYC sends up to Albany and doesn’t receive in state aid?

     • Sure, if they lower the taxes. There a ways to make it work, it’s called prioritizing your budget.

       • How will lowering taxes help Upstate make up for a six billion dollar loss?

   • I’ve been hoping Maryland does the same. Western, Northern, Eastern and Southern Maryland should secede to West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Delaware. Although Delaware is looking shaky being in “Warning Shot” Joe’s son’s hands now. They can have the yuppie and ghetto infested 95-corridor, including Bodymore.

3. Any politician that signs off on a bill he/she hasn’t read, especially one concerning a Constitutional right should be removed from office immediately. Doing so shows complete and total disregard for their oath of office and any semblance of competence.

   • Couldn’t agree more. However, there is such an abundance of these ass-clowns nationally that if you did such a thing, at least 50% of the state and Federal representatives would be packing their bags.

     • Failing to see the problem there.

   • absolutly right.

4. horse barn door gone

   • Well, yes and then maybe not. I don’t know about NY, but according to the PA constitution,Sheriffs have upreme authority within counties, and can determine if law, including constitutional law , has bakeeen violated. Yes, technically they can arrest state and local police, as well as legislators. Would take nads and strong popular support. Wonder about NY.

5. I’m all for it! Finally the NYC and surrounding sycophantic bedroom communities could raise their own bonds to finish MTA projects. I often work in NYC but I live on the Southern Teir. We are closer to Harrisburg physically and culturally than Albany. Coantonize NYC and go after their laws the way Chicago is getting targeted now.

6. I’m thinking that we need to come up with some sort of legal solution to mega-cities that have drastically different political views than the rest of the state which result in the majority of the state (land / county-wise) having their votes ignored. It’s ridiculous that NYC gets to rule NY and that Chicago gets to rule IL.

   • Denver is the same way as well.

     • electoral college on a state level?

7. The people are starting upset about the bad taste in their mouths from the laws being rammed down their throat. This is the type of stuff that we need to get out into the media.

   • And which media would you suggest? Most of the mainstream ones certainly won’t do much with a story like this besides bury it. The ones that would consider it are considered “radical” and “right wing” (I’m looking at you, here Fox News).

8. St. Lawrence County has passed resolution opposing parts of Safe Act —

   link here —

   http://www.ogd.com/article/20130226/OGD01/702269810

   tim

9. So, here’s my question. I’m a NY legislator and the Gov hands me a bill, gives me 20 minutes to read it and wants me to vote. Unless the NY State political system is very different from every other state, I think that I have the choice to say Yay, Nay, or abstain. If I have not had a chance to read it thoroughly, I could always abstain from voting. If most of the reps from the counties in the map above did that, the law might have technically passed, but without a quorum, it would have been a lot easier to fight in court later.

   Alternatively, since I’m a cranky old SOB, I probably would have told the party officials ramming this down my throat that either I get time to read and consider it or I will vote “No”.

   Unfortunately in the end, it comes down to the same party politics that we have at the National level. Although many of these counties may be against gun restrictions, the simple fact is that these people have elected representatives who are of the same party as the governor. As such, they will most certainly fall in line with their party’s wishes, and pretty much anything that Cuomo wants to ram down the voter’s throats gets done.

   If upstate New Yorkers want things to change, then they need to start electing more non-Democrats to the state legislature. The population disparity will almost always ensure that New York City’s population gets to choose the Governor, but my guess is that the sheer number of other counties might give people of different viewpoints a numerical advantage in at least one house of the legislature. That is all that would be needed to block crap like the SAFE act.

   • If you’re going by the common sense standard, then you’re exactly right. If you’re going by a media standard, then you’re exactly wrong. Days and weeks later, when everyone has had a chance to read it, the stories on the news will be about the legislators who didn’t even care enough to take a stand for the safety of children. That’s why these laws get such catchy names.

     If governing was about charting the most responsible course to the future consistent with the wishes of the electorate and with the Constitution, we would have a balanced budget and little to no national debt. Not to mention far fewer government employees, agencies, and programs. Unfortunately, governing is really about politics and power nowadays.

10. Offer made to NYPD for a gun buyback – Guns for Beyonce’ concert tickets!

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-buyback-proposal-trade-firearms-beyonc%C3%A9-tickets-195308327.html

    • Unless Beyonce is also gonna throw a freebie screw in, I don’t see many Glocks getting turned in.

11. The simple fact is that NY’ers outside of the “8 commie central” don’t give a flying EFF what Cuobama passed. An uncon law is not a law and I don’t know a damned soul that is complying.

12. I wrote a blog on the topic of all of the firearms companies refusing to sell to NY authorities:
    ATTENTION NEW YORK: My latest blog
    http://djstucrew.livejournal.com/17317.html

13. That is a horribly confusing/confused graphic.

    You don’t state the premise in white and then have counties opposed to the premise also in white. To make matters worse you have two other variables labels proposed and passed…what? Did they propose and pass “anti-gun laws” – the only premise that has been indicated.
    This graphic appears to dispute the entire article on first viewing.

    • One is called a title, the other is called a key. Granted, the key is missing the white “key”, but one might be able to gather that they either support the act or have no resolution in process.

      Sometimes reading between the lines can illuminate the picture for you, other times, it takes someone holding your hand. So let me help you.

      GREEN= PASSED
      YELLOW = Proposed/Pending vote
      WHITE= Not Opposed or Have no plans for a resolution opposing.

      • Saratoga County has a resolution pending according to the text. But it’s white on the map. Other than the NYC armpit, I suspect there are no other white counties. Maybe Albany.

        • Again, the title is not the key. Title is in white and underlined. The key is missing the “white key” . Process of elimination gives you remaining counties that have done nothing, have not responded, have not proposed, or are for the act etc etc.

        • @ Jim. According to the article text, below the map and above the comments, Saratoga County has a resolution pending, which is correct. On the map they are white, indicating that they ” have done nothing, have not responded, have not proposed, or are for the act etc etc.”
          Saratoga county has a resolution pending.
          The map doesn’t completely agree with the text that follows it.

        • A click on the map reveals an updated version–graphics and text. Less white counties now.

14. Stand up and be heard, my brothers and sisters in arms!

15. Franklin County reporting in. You can add us to the “pending” list. An official resolution will be out around March 7.

16. I find this graphic to be both uplifting and disappointing at the same time and in some cases very surprising. I am dissapointed in the Upstate counties that border VT and Canada that have yet to issue a resolution on this law. I find it strange that parts of the state so commonly associated with hunting and known for being more likely to issue a concealed carry permit haven’t voiced their opposition. I am also equally surprised that Rockland and Putnam counties have issued resolutions condemning this law, as I have family in both those areas and they are literally infested with “city people” and very lefty in general. I had assumed that anywhere that Metro-North runs or is within commuting distance was a lost cause, but this makes me hopeful.

17. It’s the NYS County Clerks Association, which has represented all 62 elected or appointed County Clerks within the State. So, they represent all 62 County Clerks. It’s not just one county clerk…(hey, I’ll take what I can get!)

18. While I ABSOLUTELY agree with the concept, unfortunately, it’s not necessarily representative of the population centers–which is a problem for more rural areas.

    As a comparison, consider this map of the 2012 Presidential election results by county.

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