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Gun range owner Jan Morgan (courtesy Facebook.com)

I just got off the phone with gun range owner Jan Morgan [above]. She reckons this move – banning Muslims from The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range – will lose her her business. “It will cost me everything I have to fight for this.” Fight for what, against whom? “For the safety and security of my patrons against The Department of Justice, EEOC or someone who’ll file a lawsuit against me.” Here’s Ms. Morgan’s official statement:

I officially declare my business, The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range, a MUSLIM FREE ZONE . . .

1) The Koran, which I have read and studied thoroughly and (which all muslims align themselves with), contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam. Read those verses of violence here.

2) My life has been threatened repeatedly by muslims who are angry that I have studied their koran and have, over the past two years, been exposing the vileness of the Koran and its murderous directives.

3) * The barbaric act of beheading an innocent American in Oklahoma by a muslim
* the Boston bombings(by muslims)
* the Fort Hood mass shooting (by a muslim) that killed 13 people and injured over 30 people
* and the murder of 3000 innocent people (by muslims) on 9/11

This is more than enough loss of life on my home soil at the hands of muslims to substantiate my position that muslims can and will follow the directives in their Koran and kill here at home.

4) Because the nature of my business involves firearms and shooting firearms in an enclosed environment, my patrons are not comfortable being around muslims who align themselves with a religion that clearly commands hate, murder, and violence against all non muslims. Therefore many of my patrons are uncomfortable around Muslims with guns. (can you blame them?)

5) My range rents and sells guns to my patrons. Why would I want to rent or sell a gun and hand ammunition to someone who aligns himself with a religion that commands him to kill me?

6) * Muslims, who belong to and, or, support ISIS, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
* Muslims, who belong to or support AL Qaeda, are threatening to kill innocent Americans.
* Muslims who belong to or support HAMAS are threatening to kill innocent Americans.

See a common thread here?

7) I not only have the right to refuse service but a RESPONSIBILITY to provide a safe environment for people to shoot and train on firearms. I can and have turned people away if I sense they are under the influence of alcohol or mind altering drugs. I have a federal firearms license…

The ATF informed us when we received the license that if we feel any reason for concern about selling someone a firearm, even sense that something is not right about an individual, or we are concerned about that persons mental state, even if they pass a background check, we do not have to sell that person a gun.

In other words, a federal agency has given us this kind of discretion for service based on the nature of the business. I can and have turned people away if I sense an issue with their mental state. So… its difficult to imagine how the DOJ could have issues with this when ATF gave us this discretion.

8) I have no way of looking at Islam other than as a theocracy, not a religion. Islam is undoubtedly the union of political, legal, and religious ideologies. In other words law, religion and state are forged together to form what Muslims refer to as “The Nation of Islam.” Once again it is given the sovereign qualities of a nation with clerics in the governing body and Sharia law all in one. This is a Theocracy, not a religion.

The US Constitution does not protect a theocracy. The 1st Amendment is very specific about protecting the rights of individuals from the government, as it concerns the practice of religions, not theocracies. It clearly differentiates between government and religion. Again protecting the individual’s religious beliefs and practices from (the state) government. In Islam religion and state are one.

We are a Nation governed by laws, or the law of the land the U.S. Constitution. We are not a Nation that is governed by religion, politicians or clerics.

How then, can anyone say that, the practice of Islam is protected by the U.S. Constitution?

The muslim brotherhood has a documented plan for the destruction of America from within, discovered by our own government during a raid of MB operatives in America. In addition, I am very cognizant of the civilization jihad under way in my country by American muslims. In a number of states Muslims, through our legal system, are trying to force us to accept Sharia Law over Constitutional law. I do not wish to do business with people who stand against the Constitution and are fighting to replace it.

9) Islam allows Muslims to kill their own children, (honor killing) if the behavior of those children embarrasses or dishonors the family name. ( did you know that dating outside of the faith is justification for murdering their daughters and this has already occurred on American soil?) Why would I want people (who believe its okay to murder their own children), be in the presence of other children? My patrons often bring their kids to the range to teach them to shoot. I am responsible for providing a safe environment for those children to learn gun safety and shooting sports.

10) In the 14 hundred year history of Islam, muslims have murdered over 270 million people. Not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists in the world right now are muslim. Since you can’t determine by visual assessment, which ones will kill you and which ones will not, I am going to go with the line of thought that ANY HUMAN BEING who would either knowingly or unknowingly support a “religion” that commands the murder of all people who refuse to submit or convert to that religion, is not someone I want to know or do business with. I hold adults accountable for the religion they align themselves with.

In summary, I not only have the right, but a responsibility to provide a safe environment for my customers. I do not believe my decision is religious discrimination because I do not classify islam as a religion.. It is a theocracy/terrorist organization that hides behind the mask of religion in order to achieve its mission of world domination.

People who shoot at my range come from all religious backgrounds… some are atheists… I do not care about their religious beliefs. I care about the safety of my customers who come to shoot here. The government allows businesses to ban me from entering their business with my gun because the property owner feels uncomfortable or wants to provide a “safe” environment for their patrons which is in clear violation of my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, so… I should be ale to deny service to people on the same premise. Can my government really force me to invite someone who had threatened to kill me, into my home or business?

I will do whatever is necessary to provide a safe environment for my customers, even at the cost of the increased threats and legal problems this decision will likely provoke.

Jan Morgan- owner / The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range
1225 Blacksnake Road
Hot Springs, Arkansas
(501) 767-9944

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    • My local ‘Victoria’s Secret’ has asked SD3 to never return. I try to not take it personally, but whatevs…

      • While I might agree that there are people who practice a version of Islam (one that does not hold the goal of all the world submitting to Islam) capable of peaceful co-existence with other creeds, I have to point out that Islam is not a race.

        • “Islam is not a race.”

          Exactly. How much do you want to bet that a caucasian muslim could waltz right into the range without Ms. Morgan batting an eye. On the other hand, if a punjabi sikh walked in, she’d probably pee in her pants.

          It wouldn’t surprise me if the business is already deeply in the red due to the owner’s stupidity and incompetence, and this is just a ruse so she can blame the gubment for shutting things down.

        • Until the government stops bullying nuns into paying for abortions and attempting to amend the 1st to protect only who they say it protects I will be unable to fill a thimble’s worth of the f***’s I give for their interpretation of freedom of speech and religion. This lady can do what she wants, its supposedly a free country. And I agree with her.

        • …and in order to show how wrong it is to pick on those nuns, you’ll rail against ISLAM until people see the light!

          but hey, why let just one lady make sound bytes that will be used to bash gun owners over and over. surely it’ll help if people co-sign her.

        • Yeah, Islam isn’t a race. How can one really tell who is a Muslim and who isn’t? There are Caucasian Muslims, just as there are Arab and Middle Eastern Christians……

        • I worked in the UAE for 6 years. Islam is not a race, however to be a Muslim one must have a Muslim name whether you are brown, white or blue. If you are a convert, a true convert must change their legal name otherwise they are not ‘truly’ a Muslim anyway. To participate at any gun center a person needs to show photo ID. So they will be going on a person’s name not what someone looks like.

          • You must have a Muslim name (just as Christians get a Christian name when they get baptized), but it doesn’t have to be on your ID. Many European converts to Islam don’t legally change their name, they just start using the new one in all contexts other than official paperwork.

        • By her logic, Catholics should be banned from her shooting range because they are all a bunch of pedophiles. And anyone with a Hispanic name should be banned from her shooting range because they are all a bunch of illegal immigrants. Heck, maybe even ban everyone who says they hate the Federal Government… because as the Oklahoma City Bombing taught us, they are all a bunch of terrorists. See where this is going? It’s bigotry, plain and simple. We live in a nation that judges each person as an individual. Let’s keep it that way.

            • Hahahaha you have got to be kidding!

              I guess all those murders of blacks by bigots in our nation’s history never happened! All those countless other cases of people being targeted specifically because they were a certain way, those didn’t happen either! Oh Uncle Sam, when are you going to stop pulling one over on us?!?!??!?

        • Bigots can be terrorists, as it happens. Could even be regarded as dormant terrorists. Soon as the climate changes in their favor terrorism ensues from their radical beliefs.

          But again… is it really so difficult to be neither a bigot NOR a terrorist?

        • Dustin, it is a lot easier to teach a bigot that his beliefs were wrong because his bigotry is not based on sacred texts openly taught by spiritual leaders and backed by millions of supporters.
          We make fun of bigots…Archie Bunker, George Jefferson… and nobody gets hurt.
          Try making fun of Muhammad.

        • Why would I want to make fun of Muhammad? And even if I did, I highly doubt there’s going to be a line of Muslims ready to behead me. They might not like me very much, or respect me. And I would deserve to lose their respect if I did that.

          There is, of course, a minority of Muslims who believe the way you are suggesting. And yes, it is a SIGNIFICANT minority at this time. But the Christian bible is filled with hate, violence, and blatant misogyny. And there has been significant minorities at various points in history of Christians absolutely playing the role of the terrorists, claiming they are just following the Bible. And yes, a lot of the hate/violence/misogyny bits are in the Old Testament, which is why it requires more than just a quick read through and extremely bare understanding of the Bible to understand what it truly says. The same goes for Islamic holy texts. Many of the referenced “violence” verses in the Koran are paired with verses that specifically dictate that if your enemy desires peace, you cannot kill him. Just like when the Bible says that a woman’s body belongs to her husband, it also says that a husband’s body belongs to his wife.

          One of the biggest red flags I look for when evaluating a provocative or antagonistic idea or philosophy, is whether or not the logic is too simple. The world is not black and white. It’s not even a gray scale. It’s full color. And if an idea is black and white (“Muslims are bad, mkay?”) or even gray scale (“a bunch of Muslims are bad, and this lady said she read the Koran… so even though there might be some good people who are Muslims, better ban them all just to be sure.”) then it there is a very VERY good chance that the idea is not a particularly well thought out one.

          • Waaaaaay too long of a reply to my obvious statement. The truth is much simpler than that. I didn’t even read your rant. Obfuscators like you can’t answer a yes or no question in one word.

        • Rant: speak or shout at length in a wild, impassioned way.
          I was neither wild, nor impassioned.

          Obfuscate: render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
          If three paragraphs is enough to do that to you… my word dude… that’s messed up. I wasn’t exactly using big words or anything.

          Also: you didn’t ask a yes or no question… in fact… you didn’t ask a question.

          As to your “obvious statement”, bigotry OFTEN comes from holy texts. So… nope.

          But seriously… 3 paragraphs? My reply was roughly 1/4 the length of the original article (by word count). How’d you make it through the article itself?!

        • Sorry, I used more than 2 or 3 sentences again so I’ll try a simplified answer:

          Just because terrorism is worse than bigotry, doesn’t mean it’s okay to be a bigot.

        • Dustin
          I never said that. All I am saying is, don’t criticize bigots by defending terrorists. The comparison I gave is similar to: Would you rather eat dog shit or eat cyanide? I never claimed that bigotry is acceptable. I was trying to put everything in context but apparently, most people are incapable of critical thinking. To say “why do either?” is to disengage from the conversation and overt the issue.

        • What “context” justifies what you said exactly? And your secondary analogy is still absurd. I’d still rather not eat dog shit OR cyanide.

          If someone was holding a gun to my head and told me to choose, sure… that would be a legitimate choice. As it happens, NOBODY is forcing ANYBODY to be a bigot. That’s very much a personal choice, and a choice that doesn’t actually NEED to be made.

          A person can actually choose to be neither a terrorist, nor a bigot. There is no represented context here that makes the option between the two anything but absurd.

      • I am sorry, but try to walk into, or even on the sidewalk in front of certain mosques if you are not a muslim…Try the nice one in Minneapolis…I hear they are very accepting of everyone.

    • I don’t see a problem. I saw a documentary on the Muslim comunity in England and there were radical Muslims calling for the police and England to “go to hell” and there were these moderate Muslims that said “those calling for jihad are not part of the Muslim community. Islam is a religion of peace so they do not belong.” Oh I get it now! Islam is not violent. It is peaceful. So peaceful in fact that the moderate or true Muslims won’t oppose them. So declare a gun range Muslim free because the true Muslims don’t shoot guns so if any Muslim is offended by the ban then he is not a true Muslim. He is just a terrorist hiding behind Islam.

      • So…what I’m understanding from this is….the Christians who have killed, bombed, enslaved, racial profiled, killed thousands of innocent African Americans, support the KKK are NOT all terrorist and don’t associate them selves with these terrorist acts BUT “all” Muslims are terrorist?! ……..LOL. I hope she is not allowed to open any business that infringes on the rights of Americans of any religious affiliation.

        • Elisabeth, I am replying to you because your reply was under my first comment. Your reply, however, seems to be directed at Jan Morgan but I will have a go at it anyway.
          Short answer is, the Christian faith has evolved and is always striving to better it’s followers. Christians today do not condone evil actions of the past. The most outspoken group against slavery in America were the Christians. To compare Christianity to Islam is a diversion to the problem the world faces today with a large group…millions…of those claiming to be Muslim that are not adhering to American values of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Rather than bring up a group of Christians…hundreds…that did deplorable acts centuries ago, try to be creative in a way to stop millions of one sect, Muslim, Islamist, that is committing, promoting, harboring, ignoring terrorism as we speak.

    • God. If anything, it’s these racist bastards that really set me off. She’s taking this from the stereotype that all Muslims are terrorist murderers, and adding to the stereotype that gun owners are evil white-supremacists. Some of my best friends are Muslim, and they’re all sickened by the terrible acts the jihad commits. Muslims aren’t trying to “take over the world” with sheer violence. Has she ever read the Old Testament? Or heard of the Crusades? This is how segregation started! I hope she goes homeless trying to rebel against the Muslim “theocracy”. Sickening.

      • Her platform is based on personal study of facts…that’s not stereotyping. You are verbally regurgitating what those friends have told you. Have you converted yet? (Insert eye roll)

        • Based upon her logic, all followers of Abrahamic should be precluded from possessing firearms on her property due to #10. The Middle East has birthed the three large religions and murders of ‘non-believers’ or ‘infidels’ have been committed by all three.

        • They should know better than she does. She thinks that all Muslims are middle-eastern, radical murderers. And that is, guess what? A stereotype. Like Americans are cowboys and Mexicans are drug dealers and French wear fancy berets, she is basing her racism off of “known” cultural standards proposed by other cultures. Yes, the jihad are sick, but that’s the jihad. Why would American Muslims want to kill Americans? The reason the jihad do what they do is because of teachings of Islam interpreted violently by devout youths under severe cultural tension. Ya can’t find much of that here in America, can you?
          (Insert only talk about stuff you know about eye roll here)

        • Why would American Muslims want to kill Americans? The reason the jihad do what they do is because of teachings of Islam interpreted violently by devout youths under severe cultural tension.

          Are you really this obtuse? You deny that there are American Muslims who want to kill other Americans? Not as a matter of trend, or majority, but as an absolute?

          Ya can’t find much of that here in America, can you?

          I would file such sentiment under “dangerously naive.”

        • I very much doubt that. All her points sound like they’re taken verbatim from Fox News. I’m pretty certain that she didn’t actually study the Koran, for one, because then she’d know of the context for those “hundreds of quotes”, and the rules by which ones supersede the other, and the overall interpretation in mainstream Islam (which, by the way, varies from school to school).

        • One quote from the Koran is enough for me: Surah 8, verse 12: ” When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.”. Hard to “misinterpret” that as NOT violent… And if you are wondering what the context was, the verses just before were talking about how Allah had sent “angels” to help them in battle. Unlike in the Torah, there is no language that limits the justification for violence anywhere near the verse calling for violence. As well, verse 17 says that Allah is the one doing the killing, and that combat is a “test” for the believers… That does not sound like a religion I want promoted.

        • Trish, what do gun advocates always say? Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. You want to defend this shop owner on some flimsy research? I suggest you read the bible over a bit. An ignorant person, such as the one featured, could make the same case for banning all Christians.

          Religions, by themselves, are not violent. Violent men wrote violent passages and violent people follow those passages. Violent people are the problem.

          I other words, religions don’t kill people, people kill people.

        • Chase: One quote from the Bible is enough for me:

          Deuteronomy 22:
          28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

          Now don’t talk to me about WHERE in the Bible it is or the need to properly understand and rightly divide. We are taking single quotes and negating context here so… your religion seems suggest the punishment for rape is about 50 silver and a promise to never let the woman escape… er… leave… i mean… something like that.

      • Ah, the old “you did it so we can do it” argument. I love this. I’m thinking of renting a car and going down there this weekend just to support her. It’s always the ballsy ones who get the heat. Man show me even one muslim country’s leader or people who have publicly opposed the “radical” side of this religion. Hello?

        • Meansmealone- thank you. Finally someone who might be a true American. Go there and support her. This is amazing and like I said before, it is us who have made it easy for terrorists to enter our country and kill us because all we want to do is be way to political. We need to turn this thing around and end this ASAP. Keep supporting and keep spreading the hate for Islam.

        • If you watch And listen to the right of the right you won’t see or hear of any Muslim opposing the Islamic Death Mongers.
          Sadly we have Christians here who would like a theocracy and keep trying to stack the deck politically in that direction. It’s different when they do it
          Then you have the white supremacists who are Christians that would love to be able to do what The Muslim Death Mongers are doing but know they will get caught.

          • Sadly we have Christians here who would like a theocracy and keep trying tostado [sic] the deck politically in that direction. It’s different when they do it

            [citation needed]

            Then you have the white supremacists who are Christians that would love to be able to do what The Muslim Death Mongers are doing but know they will get caught.

            The primary difference there being: when such people attempt to co-opt Christianity, they are immediately, resoundingly, and universally rejected by mainstream Christians (and just as easily and readily refuted by Christian doctrine). And such people are more likely to get caught because mainstream Christians help bring them to justice, instead of excusing, harboring, or even merely ignoring them.

      • Yes, I’ve read the Old Testament. And the New Testament. There are stark differences between the violence in the Old Testament and the drivel that is the Koran. One big difference, Christians (Jews really, Christians following more of the New Testament, in which the violence of the Old Testament is repudiated) aren’t running around every corner of the Earth re-enacting that same violence. I can’t say the same for muslims.

      • Or heard of the Crusades?

        You mean, the Crusades where Europeans attempted to defend themselves against marauding, murdering, pillaging Muslims who were trying to conquer them? Those Crusades?

        (Maybe you think that the Moors originated in Andalusia?)

        • I think he meant the crusades where the Muslims opened up Jerusalem as a city for all religions, and then the Christians decided that wasn’t enough so they went a killing.

          • “crusades where the Muslims opened up Jerusalem as a city for all religions,” Really? You mean how they opened Jerusalem to all religions after sacking the city, forcing all the people there to convert to islam and killing all who refused? That “crusades where the Muslims opened up Jerusalem as a city for all religions,”? Is that the one you are talking about?

        • Yes… the ones where it was constantly changing hands and nobody was innocent in the matter, but at least somebody tried to end the violence.

          The biggest takeaway I had from reading history was that every civilization that I felt bad for being sacked, had previously sacked the prior inhabitants.

      • You are a stupid stupid man. There is no hiding that we as Americans need to stay true and protect us from this pure evil. Let me tell you this pal- if it was a family member or a friend of yours and their head that was taken off here on our home front you would be signing a different tune. Her gun business should grow in the fastest way possible because we as Americans are going to continue to support our constitutional rights and fight to end this terror of Islam.

        • Some of you people are just out of your mind. Support America and keep your stupid comments to yourself and get the hell out of the country if this bothers you. Every single one of you would wish you had a gun on you if a terrorist was attacking you or someone around you. This is all bull shit when you people don’t agree with her and her business. I have seen across this country Americans not serve other Americans for no shoes or no shirts. Grow up and smarten up folks. Stay true to your fellow Americans. We are the reasons that it is so easy for terrorists to enter our country and attack us.

        • I’ll support America by trying to keep it a free country with liberty and justice for all, and that means not letting panicked fascist bigots like you anywhere near the helm.

      • Why do people use such inaccurate junk when attempting something as ludicrous as comparing modern Christianity to Islam? Okay, let’s break this down a bit: The old testament, unlike the koran, wasn’t written for christians AT ALL , let alone for Christians to follow. It was included in what we know as the bible merely to offer a historic perspective to some of the new testament writings. The NEW testament is what Christians are commanded to obey and NOWHERE in that part will you find orders to christians to kill ANYONE. The crusades happened literally hundreds of years ago and were for the same threats that we face NOW by radical islam: convert or die. Not justifying what they did, but it wasn’t QUITE the attack on peaceful non provoking muslims that it’s made out to be. Regardless, let’s come up with new material instead of ancient history, or lone non muslim individuals so sparse in occurence that we can remember their name without google.

      • You bring up the crusades, which would be valid if it was going on right now. Yes Christians and Catholics did horrible things during that time but it was during that time not something that is happening now. It’s like saying don’t let the Germans in too for what the Nazis did or don’t let the Japanese for what they did in WW2.

      • Pure islamofascist apologia. Your views could not possibly be more naive, reckless, nor dangerously ignorant of the obvious.

      • What was?

        To me, this reeks of ignorance or a publicity stunt.

        There is no way she can really enforce this other than if people declare themselves Muslim or she just ejects people based on how they look.

        She can also get the pants sued off her… the whole thing just seems stupid to me.

        It would have been far more practical (if she was serious) to just ask all known Muslims to leave without saying why. But that was not her intention with this, was it? She is using her business as a pulpit for social commentary.

        • It’s people like you that make it easy for terrorists to enter our country and attack us. What she is doing is brilliant and we all should Lear from her. Go shove your head up your ass you ignorant fool. If one of your family members head got cut off you would be signing a different tune. Smarten up pal.

        • I spent 6 months in Afghanistan as an infantry soldier.

          Go pound sand, internet commando.

          After you do that, very carefully reread what I said. Put on your thinkin’ cap, and try to figure out why I might have said what I said.

          Think really hard. Maybe factor in there that I’m a business major and know a bit about what business owners can be sued for.

          After all that, feel free to apologize for coming off like an enormous douche bag.

    • She has the legal right to refuse service to anyone of her choosing , hers is a private business , I disagree with the government telling small private business owners who they can or cannot do business with , I also disagree that Islam is considered a religion , I consider it a theocracy , which does not deserve respect of being called a religion . Be prepared and ready . Keep your powder dry .

      • Sorry, you might want to check your facts. Once she became a business (privately owned or not) she became bound by law. Which includes non-discrimination laws, and religion is a protected class under those laws.

        Since, you know, all the xtians who claimed to be discriminated against wanted to ensure they were allowed to “practice their faith”.

        So be sure to thank your local religious institution who pushed for laws that forbid you to discriminate against a person based on that person’s “deeply held” religious convictions…

        Thank you, Hobby Lobby.

        Thank you, Chick-Fil-A.

        Thank you, Rick Santorum.

        • By using your logic a business can’t deny me carrying a gun either than since they are bound to the laws of the Constitution. I can go all lawyer on you as well, and say that denying an armed American citizen in a private business is discrimination based on that individual’s Nation of Origin. It is a written and customary law to be armed in America especially where I was raised. We take care of our own and tolerate others, until realized that they aren’t our countrymen.

        • Jason, I would suggest actually reading the laws in question. They have a specific list of things which you can’t discriminate against. They do not include carrying a gun, but they do include religion.

    • mike, liberals have been giving us a bad name over guns for a long time, who do you think wants to disarm us, stop pandering to liberals, its time for americans with principals to stand up against liberalism, the disease that has just about destroyed this country

    • The comments under this article too. -sigh-

      Everyone is just letting the ignorance hang out on this one.

      After spending a few months of my life with nightly mortar attacks by the Taliban, intelligent people could probably figure out where my sympathies lie… or don’t lie.

      However, this is a right way, a wrong way, and a stupid way to do things. The publicity stunt mentioned in the article is firmly on the “stupid” side.

      This business owner is using her business as a soapbox. Ok fine, whatever she wants to do. The problem with this is it not only lumps gun owners into a certain camp in the eyes of many, it also gives progressives a medium to be /activists/.

      If I have to list all the ways this is a bad idea to someone, it would probably be falling on deaf ears anyway.

    • No, Mike. It reflects on one LGS/range owner. How many are there across the country, again?

      She is entitled to her opinion, and how to run her store. I am sure the DOJ will be on her like a ton of bricks, however, just like the bakers who didnt want to serve their goods at gay weddings for religious reasons.

      Not equating gay rights with Islam, either- just the totalitarian nature of the political correctness run rife in this last 6 years in particular, and having 100% leftwing activists being hired in the DOJ Civil Rights division, this is what its come to…Travon Martin, Ferguson, and I suppose this will be the cause celebre for CAIR to hyperventilate hysterically to distract from what ISIL and other prominent examples of the Religion of Peace do to those who disagree.

      Makes declining to serve some deemed dangerous rather pale, in comparison, eh?

      • @ Publius

        You are looking at this through the prism of logic, though.

        We have established time and again that anti gunners don’t use logic in their decision making/opinion creation process.

        Reality sucks. We all need to deal with it.

    • There are tons of gun ranges where I would be welcomed as a paying patron. Why would I go into this bigot’s range anyways. People like her don’t know a thing about what’s going on in the world yet they choose to act like they are being patriotic by discriminating. In fact, that is the most un-American thing they could do.

      My brother is a US Air Force veteran and my cousin’s husband was a Pakistani Army veteran until he was butchered by the Taliban. I was only discharged from the US Air Force because of a fractured spine. Yet we are proud to be Muslim and won’t shy away from it any day.

      A 50 year old white Republican friend of mine invited me to his farm for shooting practice yesterday. So ha, in your bigoted face lady!

      • Thank you, for that bit of common sense. No one HAS to go to her store if they dont like it. And no threats or fatwas just because she has an opinion.

    • I’ve been born on american soil, taught both american and muslim values. Never had a problem until I faced public education in which my interest in the military and firearms were very restricted. Had to go to the office 5 times until something changed, (The principal got fired, etc). I made it okay to wear NRA shirts at school, bring books regarding firearms (Handloading manuals, Guns illustrated etc) and now I wear a shirt showing firearms without fearing of school intervention where everyone else didn’t want to assist. Did I make it in NRA news? No. Am I muslim? Yes. So now on the ninth of september I waltz onto the internet and I see this. Like what the hell, really?

      • If you haven’t realized yet that USA is full of bigots who hate others on account of their race, religion, sexual orientation and other such things, consider it a rude but long overdue awakening. It’s better to know that Joe the friendly guy at the range would actually spit in your face if he found out you’re a Muslim, don’t you think?

    • 497 Responses to “I officially declare my business, The Gun Cave Indoor Shooting Range, a Muslim Free Zone”

      3 more comments to break 500! Come on guys we can do it!

      My final comment is, We can clearly see from the near 500 comments who will fight to save this Nation…this world, and who will allow the fight to begin in the first place.

    • I wonder if LEOs will be prohibited from frequenting this place while on-duty and/or in uniform since frequenting such a place would not look good for the departments. How would fellow LEOs respond if an off-duty officer is turned away due to this policy? Would this place be boycotted by law enforcement?

  1. Mapquest says it’s only a 5 hour drive from DFW to her range. I might have to make a road trip just to show my support.

        • The only thing most of us have in common on this site is that we own guns and talk to others who are aligned with our hobby. Just because we occupy the same metaphysical plane does not mean we live in the same worlds. I don’t associate with liberals or other peoples I find as undesirable characters, such is my free choice.

    • Why? If there is one thing that seems to be a unifying thread among the POTG, it is their belief in personal responsibility. Judging a religious group for the actions of a few crazies is antithetical to personal responsibility. Discriminating against your clientele based on their religion is unamerican. It really violated the fundamental principles of our nation. This woman isn’t a hero, she is a disgrace.

      • Be prepared for your well thought out and reasoned response to be shouted down with cries of “BUT AMERICA!” in 3… 2… 1…

        • I hope so. “All of the Muslims are bad because of terrorists” sounds just like Shannon Watt’s claim that “gun owners are bad because of Newton”. So many people on this blog that are fighting for their rights in our society are awful quick to support denying them to others as soon as they don’t like the group.

        • What did Newton ever do to Shannon Watts, beyond providing some clarification of the rate at which bullets drop?

      • You may want to check your definition of a few. There are
        approximately 1.5 billion muslims in the world. The number
        I keep hearing for those who strictly support fundamental
        islam (aka those that are okay with open jihad) is 400
        million. Also the number of those who follow the
        fundamentalists and while not necessarily agreeing with
        jihad but do nothing to stop it is around 400-500 million.
        So right of the bat we’ve got over 50% who see zero
        issue with all us infidels getting killed. For some more
        perspective the number of muslims who who support
        and/or ingage in jihad outnumber the USA’s entire
        population.

        • Chuck,

          400 million terrorist sounds completely made up. What are your sources for these numbers?

          If your claim is that Islam is bad because there are Islamic terrorists, why aren’t gun owners bad because there are bad gun owners? You might be comfortable judging a group by the actions of a few members, but that isn’t what this country is about. People should be judged by their actions and not the actions of people that claim to share a religion.

        • The largest sources would be Gallup and the book by
          John L. Esposito and Dalia Mogahed.
          http://www.gallup.com/press/104209/who-speaks-islam-
          what-billion-muslims-really-think.aspx
          Wikipedia has a decent overview. While wiki does not
          bring its own conclusion they do present statistics
          from the Institute for Economics and Peace and the
          Pew Research Center. Both of these sources back up
          my numbers. Daniel Pipes also does a pretty good
          break down of numbers.
          http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/65537

          Never once to I condemn Muslims based on others,
          nor did I support them. I simply pointed out that while
          an overall percentage may (or may not) be small real
          world numbers show that even best case numbers for
          a minority still present a significant threat. I do not judge
          a group based on a few, but I will when based on the
          whole. I stick to Edmund Burke’s quote “the only thing
          necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
          nothing”. Here at TTAG we do not sit idly by for morons.
          Instead we call them out, usually with an IGOTD award.
          Many here feel that by calling out the idiots we can
          separate ourselves. I view moderate muslims in a similar
          manner. Do moderate muslims exist; of course they do.
          But how many openly speak out against radicalism? If the
          moderates outnumber the radicals, then drown them out
          with disapproval. Remove hardline pols and Imams, who
          support open jihad, from office. Start an actual push
          toward reformation, not simply state that your religion is
          misunderstood. In short I believe those that say nothing
          deserve even more animosity than the radicals because
          they lack the courage to even stand up for what they state
          they believe.

        • The number of honest to god, actual jihadists and people that support them is less than 400 million. If you are equating the number of muslims that live in fundamentalist countries to the number of muslims supporting terrorists then you aren’t accurately representing your numbers. Those aren’t the same thing.

          I have seen a bunch of posts (which, as far as I can tell, yours falls into) that claim we should go after the muslims because some of them want to kill us. Who cares! All of the terrorist in the world can’t destroy us or our way of life. But they can trick us into doing it for them. I don’t really care if some moron in Arkansas wants to declare her business muslim free. The civil court will solve that problem and this is just a publicity stunt anyways. But I am dumbfounded by the number of people on this board who proclaim out of one side of their mouth that they are for personal freedom and equal opportunity, and from the other side, we should stick it to the muslims because of terrorists. It is exactly the same argument that the anti-2A people use against us. Are they really that short sighted? Can they not see that their collectivist approach is ridiculous and unamerican? It is exactly counter to the values that we claim to support.

          Lets kill the terrorists and respect the rights of everyone else. Its not rocket science.

          • “number of muslims that live in fundamentalist countries to the number of muslims supporting terrorists”

            Really, sweety? Then why are the not hunting down and killing the terrorists? Oh, yea, they are too busy crawling on their knees and giving them money. You dumb f**k.

        • Let me try again without getting moderated!

          2hotel9, It is hard to respond to your comment as your statement is so totally devoid of intelligent thought. Is your position that we should disregard our founding principals and Constitution because the Muslim world does not fight terrorism as much as you would like. To call that ridiculous would be an insult to ideas that are ridiculous. If you actually have something to say, I’d love to hear it. If not, then maybe you should step away from your keyboard before everyone realizes how little intellectual prowess you really have.

          • Really? Your big plan is to crawl on knees begging muslims to not hurt and kill you? How has that worked in the past?

            Again, islam is the worship of death. That is not a religion, it is a mental disorder/disease. Until you grasp that fact you are lost.

      • “Discriminating against your clientele based on their religion is” rampant in ANY Muslim controlled country. *there fixed that for you.

        Oh but I’m sure YOUR Muslim friends would never turn on you…no especially with all of the wonderful examples of tolerance shown by Muslim’s towards the persecuted, minorities (Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Animists, Gays, Women, etc.). Yes the outrage and demand for human rights shown by Muslims worldwide towards all others is just deafening. Yes outrage that would be drown out by the chirping of a cricket.

        • You might be ready to throw out the Constitution and the founding principles of our nation because you don’t like the group being discussed, but I think that is wrong. If individual freedom and equal opportunity are principle that you hold, backing this woman is hypocritical and unamerican.

          “Oh but I’m sure YOUR Muslim friends would never turn on you” What a ridiculous statement. I’ve never had a “Muslim” friend turn on me. What an idiot. You sound like a nine year old. What’s next? Will we be kissing in a tree? If you have a point to make, please make it. If you are going to sound off like a child, please let the big boys and girls argue and go play.

        • Personally, I think she should not discriminate against Muslims. However, if she finds a Muslim who wants a lesson in how to transition from a handgun to a really long knife, it might be prudent to give the FBI a heads-up.

      • “Discriminating against your clientele based on their religion is” rampant and accepted in ANY Muslim controlled country. There fixed that for you.

        Oh but I’m sure YOUR Muslim friends would never turn on me or harm my family and friends…no especially with all of the wonderful examples of tolerance shown by Muslim’s towards their persecuted minorities (Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, Animists, LGBT, Women, etc.). Yes the outrage and demand for human rights shown by Muslims worldwide towards all others is just deafening. If only that cricket outside would stop chirping, I might hear those calls for tolerance from the people and their “religion of peace.”

        • Obviously a double post but I’ll leave you with this to consider Einstien, Hitler was Catholic. Are all Christians genocidal monsters because of Hitler?

    • I was going to say that it is an hour drive from LIT and being a pilot why don’t you fly there. Then I noticed the name of the airport. Bill and Hillary Clinton National Airport. Yeah…just take the 5 hour drive.

    • Every time I see an story about a Sorry Sack O’ Poo like this woman, I wish I was a regular at there establishment just so i could never spend a penny with them again.

      As far as the evil Muslim bit goes, just remember this: Nazi Germany was a Christian nation to the point that they murdered a few million people that didn’t fit in to what the Bible wants you to be or you might have been descended from someone that might have had hand in killing Jesus a couple of thousand years ago. And We, as the American people, flew the flag of Christianizing the savage Redman as justification for mass genocide. And both of those examples come from the last 150 years. Any time you resort to using your faith as justification to kill, things get really bad, really fast.

      The more I read comment like the ones supporting this woman, I feel the urge to destroy my guns, burn my NRA membership and start donating money to Bloomberg’s anti-gun lobby. If these people are the armed definers of our nation, safety and way of life, I want no part.

      • Nazi Germany was a Christian nation…

        Utterly false. Perhaps you’re confusing Christianity with Christian Identity? (Hint: they’re not even remotely the same thing.)

        • We, not to go if on a long tangent, but yes, Nazi Germany was a Christian nation. When a nation uses the Iron Cross as its emblem, the Nazi party symbol of a swastika was in part chosen for its ancient Germanic use as a Christian symbol, and Hitler orchestrated the removal and execution of non-Christians, its a Christian nation, even if the Nazi Elite didn’t give themselves a religious title.

          • Are people not taught history anymore?

            We, not to go if on a long tangent, but yes, Nazi Germany was a Christian nation.

            No, it most certainly was not. The German people were predominantly Christian, but the Nazi party was covertly and overtly hostile to all religion, and Christianity in particular. Hitler used elements of Christianity to placate the masses (including the introduction of Positive Christianity – I misspoke earlier, and referred to it as Christian Identity), but the party ideology always maintained itself as a secular ideology, that could not exist with religion in the long run.

            The Nazis put all churches under control of the state, executed clergy by the thousands, attempted to force the replacement of the Bible with Mein Kampf inside churches, and tried to adulterate Christianity with the introduction of many pagan beliefs and symbols, including the swastika.

            Hitler himself, according to Goebbels, as well as many historians, rejected the Catholicism of his youth, and was an atheist.

            Such ignorance of history is alarming.

      • “I feel the urge to destroy my guns, burn my NRA membership and start donating money to Bloomberg’s anti-gun lobby. If these people are the armed definers of our nation, safety and way of life, I want no part”

        I do not own guns for social status, or to be in any club, or political beliefs, or because my friends have guns, I have guns to protect myself an my family. When things go bump in the night and your responsible to protect your children you rely on the best tools to get the job done and the best tools is a gun. There is nothing a fellow gun owner can say to sway me from my firm grip on my gun, hell the anti gunners already call me a small peckered, racist, inbreed, obese, insecure, firearm screwing loon….if that hasn’t caused my to “burn all my guns” then why would I do so for a fellow firearm owner I may disagree with. Your logic is flawed, you being a gun owner does not equal you representing me, your ideas concern me, but still there is no way that would ever cause me to contemplate burning my guns. As the saying goes…”only from my cold dead hands”

      • >> The more I read comment like the ones supporting this woman, I feel the urge to destroy my guns, burn my NRA membership and start donating money to Bloomberg’s anti-gun lobby. If these people are the armed definers of our nation, safety and way of life, I want no part.

        Jon, you’re thinking about it from a wrong angle. If these people are so many, and they are armed, think about what happens when they go full retard. And you know what still holds true? “Only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. And don’t count on the military, either – a lot of posters here are vets.

        So it up to people like you and me to provide a sane, armed counterbalance to fascists with guns. And vote, of course, so long as it’s still an option.

        • Jon, you’re thinking about it from a wrong angle. If these people are so many, and they are armed, think about what happens when they go full retard.

          You imply that people who are alert to the inherent danger of Muslim extremism are more dangerous than actual Muslim extremists? Well, you certainly do know all about going full retard.

          So it up to people like you and me to provide a sane, armed counterbalance to fascists with guns.

          It doesn’t surprise me that you’re an elitist. You’re smarter than them; you’re more moral than them. It’s like you walked right out of the pages of Thomas Sowell’s The Vision of the Anointed.

          You have more in common with Bloomberg and his acolytes than you might think.

          • The actual Muslim extremists are mostly in places like Iraq right now. The amount of them in US is so tiny as to be negligible. The amount of Christian extremists is, unfortunately, much bigger, and they’re quite heavily armed, so they present a more credible threat to me and mine.

            And yeah, I’m fairly confident that I’m more moral than you. This is not a credit to myself – it doesn’t take much, just being a decent human being.

            • The actual Muslim extremists are mostly in places like Iraq right now. The amount of them in US is so tiny as to be negligible.

              And what amount above “negligible” constitutes the threshold at which we should start taking note? A highway sniper, a SUV driver plowing through pedestrians, an army base massacre, an honor killing, and a beheading here or there – all still just “negligible”, and not worthy of note or concern, right?

              The amount of Christian extremists is, unfortunately, much bigger, and they’re quite heavily armed, so they present a more credible threat to me and mine.

              And what specific threat, exactly, do these so-called “Christian extremists” pose to you and yours? Or is your rhetoric merely specious paranoia?

              And yeah, I’m fairly confident that I’m more moral than you. This is not a credit to myself – it doesn’t take much, just being a decent human being.

              The great thing about being a Christian is: the belief that we’re all inherently immoral and imperfect without the work of Jesus Christ in our lives leads to a rather liberating sense of humility. Because of that, I really couldn’t care less what you think about my being a “decent human being” – unless and until you start calling me an extremist, and implying that you sense the need to use your firearms against me.

              Maybe you should see a professional about that specious paranoia you harbor.

              • Negligible means negligible. You know, how every time the antis start talking about how guns cause massacres, and people here rightly note that it’s nothing compared to deaths caused by swimming pools and stairs?

                Well, turns out that Muslim extremists are to guns like guns are to swimming pools, in terms of danger level, if you look at the number of people killed by them in the USA.

                So yeah. I’m not going to be concerned about it at all.

                I’ll call you an extremist because you clearly are. Because you are an extremist, and an armed one at that, I do feel the need to be similarly armed to protect yourself in case your paranoid mind decides that it’s time to go after Muslims, militant atheists etc, ad maiorem Dei gloriam.

              • I’ll call you an extremist because you clearly are.

                …this is known as begging the question.

                Because you are an extremist, and an armed one at that, I do feel the need to be similarly armed to protect yourself in case your paranoid mind decides that it’s time to go after Muslims, militant atheists etc, ad maiorem Dei gloriam.

                To be clear: of the two of us, the only one threatening the use of arms is… you.

                Seek professional help.

              • I’m not threatening the use of arms. It’s not a threat to say that you will use the means at your disposal to protect yourself against violent attacks.

            • “in US is so tiny as to be negligible” And yet they have already caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people. You are a f**king retard. And the very reason the enemies of the human race are winning.

    • I’m not sure if what she did is right. I have mixed feelings, personally. But I agree 100% that we have to shake off our fear of the PC police. If we do not, Americanism, by which I mean individual liberty, free markets (voluntary and honest exchange of value between free people), and true equality (equality of opportunity, not the unnatural standard of equality of outcome), will surely perish. The two other dominant ideologies in the world right now, authoritarian collectivism and militant Islam, will each never quit until we are all subjugated.

      • When we say that we are tired of PC, do we mean that we should go back to calling African Americans, niggers; Jews, kikes; Asians, slants or chinks or japs; homosexuals, faggots? Do we really want to go back to intolerant, exclusionary language? Does it really weaken the US to not call people names?

  2. As much as I’m no fan of muslims, I don’t think it’s appropriate, or fair, to paint them all with the brush of “would-be terrorist”.

    I think her stance is as distasteful and ugly as if she said it was a “no black person” zone, or a “no Jew zone” or a “no homosexual zone”.

    Fair disclosure: I don’t have any friends who are muslims.

    John

    • Then maybe it is time for the moderate mulsims to stand up and be heard publicly denouncing the extremists…….ECHOES OF SILENCE!

      Until we hear that change, PROFOUNDLY, WGAF what some extremist religious nutjobs think eh!

      • Like all the muslim organizations and countries that decried 9/11? (there were many – go read up if you don’t believe me).

        This kind of attitude does a disservice to all the muslims who fight extremism.

      • They won’t do it. The moderates are sheep. They get beheaded more often than Christians or Jews but take the pacifist approach. They truly believe that Islam is a peaceful religion to a fault.

        • I’d also like to know what percentage really believe in separation between their church and state. On the one hand, I believe the first amendment protects their right to believe in imposing Sharia on everyone else, as long as they don’t actually try to do it. Messed up, but how else can their be true freedom of speech? But anyway, how do you know how many believe in separation of church and state in a religion that condones, even encourages lying in the service of spreading that religion? All too often you see Islamists as great proponents of minority rights, right up until the time they get a majority.