Yesterday every single gun control amendment failed in the Senate, which prompted a Presidential hissy fit. Today, the Senate is slated to continue debating the remaining amendments and the actual gun control bill itself. Right now, Harry Reid is doing his level best to guilt trip the Senate into enacting useless and painful new laws, using that same 90% statistic that people keep throwing around and saying that the fight isn’t over. We’ll keep you in the loop via this post as to what’s going on in the Senate [watch live here], so keep refreshing the page for the latest news.
[12:44] Senate in recess for lunch until 2:00 PM, at which time they will discuss judicial nominees. Sounds like gun control debate is done for the day.
[12:44] Harkin amendment PASSES – 95/2
[12:43] Senators Lee and Paul voted against this amendment, probably because it spends more money.
[12:34] When there’s no opposition speaker for a proposal, the conclusion is pretty clear.
[12:26] Harkin amendment up for two minutes of debate on either side. Would improve mental health in schools and universities, supported by Dems and Republicans alike.
[12:26] Barrasso Amendment PASSES – 67/30
[12:03] Voting has begun, and the clerk calling the roll seems to have left her cell phone on since I can hear it vibrating through the podium . . .
[12:02] Leahy (D-VT) can’t string two coherent sentences together to describe why he’s against protecting people’s privacy, but he sure looks peeved.
[12:00] Barrasso’s amendment is now up for 2 minutes of debate from each side. The amendment would protect gun owner information and stop New York style outing of gun owners.
[11:57] Nothing says C-SPAN like some classical music while the watching the Senate sit around doing nothing.
[11:47] Blumenthal (D-CT): “We must act before the next election.” Sounds like he may have recognized how screwed they are once the people get to vote them out.
[11:44] Senator Blumenthal (D-CT): “Yesterday was demoralizing and discouraging. […] The only way to keep a bicycle moving is to move forward.” So if we stop them form passing any legislation, will they fall over and stop?
[11:39] Senator Blumenthal (D-CT) has now brought a picture of one of the Newtown victims and is attempting to guilt trip the Senate into passing gun control. Says Senate “turned its back” on the families of Newtown and other shootings. Literally using the victims of Newtown as a prop.
[10:57] And now we’re talking about national diaphragmatic hernia month, I guess…
[10:53] I love my senator. John Cornyn (R-TX) is systematically tearing apart the gun control advocate’s position and showing how reasonable the Republican-backed proposal the Democrats voted down yesterday was.
[10:40] John Cornyn: “I watched the president say it was a shameful day on television, and I agree for different reasons. When reasonable people have a reasonable discussion, the president should not accuse them of having no coherent argument and caving to the gun lobby […] I am accountable to them [Texans] and no one else. […] Its false to say it came down as politics, as he said.”
[9:50] Apparently the vote is scheduled for noon today, when they will be voting on two amendments. I’m not sure if the bill itself will be brought up today or if Reid will back off and try to get more support through back room deals. But if these amendments fail as well, there would appear to be no hope for the bill proper.
Converting to Semi-Auto?
My Ass.
He didn’t say “when” they were going to be converted to semi. That sort of thing takes time. Years even…
I’m sure the gun grabbers hate that we have a couple huge tragedies that are not allowing them to get full attention on their guilt trips/hissy fits.
When you have a terrorist bombing and an industrial accident where neither involve firearms your whining rings hollow.
I still can’t believe Obama bumped an FBI presser to pitch a fit yesterday. Disgraceful.
So, every amendment failed yesterday, and we got Obama and double barrel sad face pouting in the rose garden. Where exactly is the upside for anyone to change their mind at this stage? You arn’t going to effectively club the Republicans with attack ads the way voted, and they’ve already cast the die yesterday with their votes. Voting yes today isn’t gonna make those ads go away come election season. The only upside is to continue to vote this down and give the civilian disarmament crowd ulcers.
what’s in the bill? I must say I’m having trouble keeping up to date on everything
“In that case, Ramsey said, he’d do everything possible to assure
that the thief gets time in a federal prison – even though he wasn’t
quite sure what criminal statute would be applicable.”
Does anybody else have a problem with the fact that a chief of
police has stated he has no idea what the law is, but he will find
something and make it stick?
Talk to a cop and you will find that’s their standard operating procedure. Arrest now and charge later (usually). That’s what they do.
It’s impossible to memorize the entire list of statutes… You’re talking thousands of laws. Most will only know the common offenses. That seems pretty obvious to me..
All that is needed for a legal arrest is probable cause that you have committed a crime… It doesn’t matter if you are charged with a crime at the time, so no. You shouldn’t resist because an officer is unsure of the exact article of law you are in violation of. Good luck arguing that in court.
I was lucky enough to get invited to that very same range and fire the P90, SCAR light and SCAR heavy, SAW, Five-Seven and other handguns. Great firearms, superb people and plenty of ammo. That’s also a darn impressive facility where they store those guns- I felt like a child in Santa’s workshop! Was the range officer that day Jim the former Marine? That man was great! Never cracked a smile, very polite , hollering instructions in a Northeast accent and punctuating his pauses with ” Ya, ya?”
so what do you think about that senators? Obama is calling you a bunch of pu$$#$@.
If they can save kids by taking guns they would be happy. Saving kids by allowing guns was laughable to them. They should really think twice about the civil war that they want to start. BTW, they apparently got the ricin guy & have pictures of the cooker guys, where are the leads & arrests of the FPS Russia’s manager killer? Guess a gun man wasn’t high priority, Randy
There is, it appears, no emotional por.n.graphy that the administration will refuse to distribute in the pursuit of its agenda.
Ultimate smackdown of Obama waving the bloody shirts.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/345762/don%E2%80%99t-let-logic-ruin-good-law
Well I certainly hope they’re converting them to semi-auto, the police have no business brandishing fully auto assault weapons, especially in a crowded city like Philadelphia.
If they were smart they’d either stash them away at local NG armories just in case the North Koreans (or Cubans) invaded to be handed out to the public. If they were really smart they’d convert them to semi-auto and sell them as military surplus.
Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC’s resident fascist, says the NRA is helping the Boston bomber(s).
I can’t make this up. From Weekly Standard.
http://wr2a.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/msnbc-the-nra-is-helping-bombers/
yeah but…
Where’s the ammo???
Does anybody really believe these people don’t know exactly what they are doing?
That what they are doing is simply a bunch of mistakes?
That they should be given another chance?
That’s exactly what they are trying to buy with their lies.
They know exactly what they are doing and they meant to do it.
Yeah I hear slow joe will be back tues with advice for the pres on how to proceed with this crap. Thats like mike tyson giving sensitivity lessons. This is a train wreck that they think is a real winner for them, Randy
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GET IT DONE! Despite what your straw polls say, the majority of REAL Americans who work and pay taxes and live in this land SUPPORT the 2nd ammendment. Go back to Canada or GB and leave us alone…
Philly cops don’t need that many FA guns, I can’t even imagine a situation where they’d need more than a few dozen simultaneously. Any situation where you need more FA’s than a few dozen can’t be solved by the police, lol.
Mumbai…
I absolutely detest Obama and the rest of his ilk using the term “the gun lobby” as if the only ones with a vested interest in firearms are gun industry CEOs, and at the same time calling the NRA a bully and a “special interest group”. The NRA is an organization to represent its millions of members, and the “gun lobby” are the tens of millions of gun owners across this country. “Special Interest Group” does not apply to keepers of the 2nd amendment.
A wonderful and brilliantly reasoned response to the Democrat gun hatred. I wish I would have written this. But I didn’t. Enjoy.
http://wr2a.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/this-says-it-all-a-reasoned-response-to-the-democrat-emotionalism-of-gun-hatred/
Why do the Philly cops have a whole bunch of FA M-16s? Well, wouldn’t you if you could? I would.
It may just be me, but I have never in my 40+ years of shooting a pistol had a problem with short stroking the trigger.
It seems like when you try to find the reset point you are conditioning yourself to actually create a potential failure during a stressful situation.
Finger all the way forward every time solves this….no?
Kind of a mixed bag to me: If you carry one pistol all the time, then yes by all means put some muscle memory into that trigger reset position, it will increase your accuracy and follow up shot speed. If you rotate guns, or just carry whatever you feel like at the time…the trigger reset memory may be a hinderance.
I was just pondering that myself. My carry guns are all Glocks, which have a similar reset (and a damn fast one at that). My 340PD is DAO, and both my Smith 4006’s have a very noticeable reset. I’ve short-stroked triggers, but only in practice scenarios.
Pigmy, that’s the same process we all have to go through. You broke no laws giving a nephew that shotgun. Essentially what this bill would do is make private sales illegal. Where as if I posted a firearm for sale online, met up to do the transaction with a private individual, it’d have to be done through an FFL with a NICS. Same as if I wanted to sell my buddy a firearm. No more him handing me cash and me handing him a gun. We’d have to go somewhere to do a background check.
Just a question for debate, would you oppose the bill if you could do the NICS check on your own?
Per you scenario above, ” if I wanted to sell my buddy a firearm.” What if all you had to do was run a check that required your permit and his permit to clear? (A system we had here in CT, and which was free until the new crap came down on us in CT and now we are screwed) Would you be opposed to that too? And, if passing that check, you are now removed from liability if you buddy then murders someone? Would you still be opposed?
I woukd take a month of Sundays of talk about National Diaphramic Hernia Awareness Arbitrary Period rather than a single anti gun bill pass.
If I had a Colt Mustang, I would like it a whole lot more than the Ruger LCP/LC380/LC9 series. But dang if that son-of-a-gun didn’t go overboard last visit to the beach.
If I ever decide to get a .380, it would probably be a PPK. Buy this would be a close second.
99% of US demands gay marriage, amnesty for illegals, 4 oz. sodas and gun bans.
Keep smoking that stuff Mayor Scumberg.
An aside.
TTAG seems to be widely read these days: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/breaking-news-anonymous-t_b_3059852.html
FOAD you old SOB.
“Today’s vote is an exemplar of the rule that the ideas of one man, no matter how much money he’s willing to throw at it, do not trump the will of the people.”
It’s a wonder he can take the time to write this piece while going down on Obama and Biden.
What a pathetic waste of oxygen
Yeah, her cell phone vibrating.
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Not her cell phone. Thats the magic bullet she uses during lunch or when the Senate is just standing around!
He does have a point – 2014 will be a big test.
By the way gentlemen, who cares if any of the amendments pass. We do NOT want the bill itself to pass.
Barrasso passes!!! Woot!
Bloomberg is, to put it mildly, is an enemy of the Constitution. nuff said.
Another aside, so my apologies, but I think it’s really worth it.
A most interesting poll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/18/majority-of-americans-say-guns-make-homes-safer/
These Senators have to worry about reelection… If they honestly thought that “90% bullshit” was true… Wouldn’t politics sway them to vote for tighter gun control? Thank goodness some of them smartened up and realized a CNN poll was probably biased. Saying this is a “political choice persuaded by the gun lobbyists” is ignorant.
The rules of parliamentary procedure don’t permit it, but I’d love to sit in the gallery at things like Blumenthal’s speech and every time he mentions Newtown (or something like it), I’d either say out loud or hold up a sign that says “…which this law would have done nothing to prevent.” If it was a sign, I’m sure my arm would get tired.
You mean to tell me that only 10% of people are pro-self defense? Where is this statistic from? Surveying ten of your friends doesn’t count…
nobody needs a soda the size of their head
I find his indictment of ideological purity most amusing. After all, when it comes to protecting and preserving our natural, inalienable, and constitutionally guaranteed rights, how could a rational man settle for less?
I wonder if if Mr. Bloomberg would have accused a certain Mr. Henry of such a thing when he told the Virginia House of Burgesses, “give me liberty, or give me death!”
Bring it Bloomie, f_cking bring it.
, “by preserving their ability to buy guns illegally at gun shows and online and keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed”
Even gun show sales go through a background check.
I wonder why we heard nothing from Bloomie when the Justice Department was “keeping the illegal trafficking market well-fed”.
Are there any amendments today that make the main bill not a total disaster? If I remember correctly, the existing text is vile.
Hey, Mayor Bloomb1tch, shut your cheeky little mouth, stop stamping your dainty feet and go back to the Rotten Apple where you can bully New Yorkers to your heart’s content — especially the black ones. You bought Colorado, but in the end, you don’t have enough money to buy America.
I call all of them “Triple L’s” Liberal Leftist Liars.
I was just browsing around looking up information on the Barrasso amendment and stumbled onto his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/johnbarrasso. I don’t know how many other pages look similar to this right now for some of our representatives, but it would probably be good to try to get more pro gun support out there to combat all the bloody shirt waving hate.
He displays more emotion after the vote in the Senate, than he did during his press conference after the bombings in Boston.
kapo bloomberg getting the credit he deserves. Who could hear about stop and frisk and put any trust in kapo bloomberg?
Now is not the time to gloat nor dance in glee about our victory. Let us be thankful that we came together and that we are showing the country what it means to be united and free.
Do not be hurtful to those who have differing opinions unless they physically harm you. We have taken the first small step to bring our country back from the brink of disaster. We cannot afford to rest. Let us continue our fight of “gentle” persuasion and continue our demands that this great country return to and honor its most basic roots, our constitution.
We can be sure that the subversive forces that oppose this idea will continue their fight to corrupt our way of life. We MUST not allow it. The alternative is horrendous.
Thank you my good fellows.
As if Napoleon Bloomberg and his Felonious and Dead Mayors aren’t a “special interest.”
If he tries I really believe people will come out in masses demanding impeachment. This is not a gun issue. It is about his arrogance and lack of respect to and for our Country and it’s Constitution.
This should push the ammo shortage well into next year…