Just Discovered! James Madison’s Original Version of the Second Amendment Gun Nation by Dan Zimmerman | Jan 28, 2015 | 41 comments facebook twitter linkedin email This changes everything. comments davidx says: January 28, 2015 at 17:06 Yah, I’m pretty sure that’s how it really went down. I’ll be turning in all my stuff now, ’cause I’m too old to hunt. Sad thing here is that millions actually believe this and act accordingly. Reply joecr says: January 29, 2015 at 22:10 I’m glad Crowder is a supporter of the second amendment. He does satirical videos all the time. Reply davidx says: January 29, 2015 at 22:17 I had a good laugh and I’ll be subbing to his Tube channel for a while accordingly. It gets tiring some days seeing the blather and b.s. out there about the 2A so some humor is sorely appreciated when it comes along. This site does a pretty good job on that score. Reply Jamie in North Dakota says: January 28, 2015 at 17:13 LOL! That video is a Democrats wet dream. Reply David P. says: January 28, 2015 at 17:15 Huh. I was wrong all these years. He was probably writing this when his wife was starting her own business- Ashley Madison. Making all the guys who could protect her very happy. Reply Noishkel says: January 28, 2015 at 17:25 Well don’t tell that Dan idiot. Reply Noishkel says: January 28, 2015 at 17:26 Oh wait, more than one guy named Dan here… well never mind. Reply Dan Zimmerman says: January 28, 2015 at 17:36 I resemble that remark. Reply Dan Idiot says: January 28, 2015 at 21:01 Why you gotta steal my thunder?? SouthernPatriot says: January 28, 2015 at 17:28 How could I have been so wrong? (and I love those Dolly Madison cakes, particularly while hunting!) I am going out and purchasing a smelter and melting down all my gun barrels and making plows, both one blade and two blade ones, and I am preparing the stocks to burn to keep me warm through this global warming winter! Reply Gunr says: January 28, 2015 at 17:42 Be careful there bud! Before you make up those plows, be sure you don’t live in a “One blade only” per farm, instead of a “two blade” per farm county! Reply Geoff PR says: January 28, 2015 at 19:58 “I am going out and purchasing a smelter and melting down all my gun barrels and making plows,” No, no, don’t melt them! Pound them into plowshares… Heat them in a furnace, pound them flat, fold it onto its self, lather, rinse, repeat about a hundred times… And have a bad-ass Damascus steel plow. 🙂 Reply RockOnHellChild says: January 28, 2015 at 17:30 I saw this the other day, and I’m like totally super for cereal, you guys… Reply Taylor TX says: January 28, 2015 at 17:34 I almost thought he was going the shoulder thingy that goes up route for a minute there, guess well just have to settle for vertical grips. Reply Taylor TX says: January 28, 2015 at 17:33 Its good there were no drinks near me while watching this video, I might need a new keyboard. Seriously though, the antis hate will keep this guy warm all winter 🙂 Reply Tom in Oregon says: January 28, 2015 at 17:39 OMG. Like fer sher, fer sher… Like I totally get it now. Reply Joe R. says: January 28, 2015 at 17:45 Guns are only for hunting. R U Game? Like you got a choice [safer to assume it’s only a rhetorical question, I can only assume the same in return (loosely paraphrased, TERMS, J.M. Thomas R., 2012)]. Reply test says: January 28, 2015 at 17:45 HAHA! Reply Broken 3ight says: January 28, 2015 at 17:47 Oh my goodness, oh my dayum. That’s just great. Reply Sixpack70 says: January 28, 2015 at 17:56 I love the dig on MDA! Reply Jeremy S says: January 28, 2015 at 17:59 My favorite argument is that the right to bear arms only applies when you’re in a government-recognized “militia.” Yes, yes. Of course. In this “Bill of Rights,” which was created to codify the rights that the government can never strip from its citizens — rights that all people naturally have at birth. that are “god given” and inalienable — you are only allowed to exercise some of these rights with permission from the government. Yup. Makes sense. Just like the first amendment only allows you to speak or publish things or redress grievances with governmental approval first, and only if you are a member of a government-recognized, legitimate “media” publication. And if that sounds far-fetched, it isn’t. Feinstein — yes, the same one we know and love for her crusade against the 2nd Amendment — attempted to define “journalists” in a strict manner by forcing a certain level of time and achievement working for a recognized publication. Only those people would be protected under the proposed Media Shield Law. Apparently the first amendment doesn’t protect you as strongly if you’re just a normal citizen and not a government-recognized, bona fide member of the press. And, naturally, the “militia” thing not only confounds the meaning of that clause (it has nothing to do with actively serving in a militia!) but it blatantly ignores the fact that the U.S. government defined the militia as all able-bodied males between ages like 16 to 65 or something, and then expanded the definition even further in the 1940’s or some decade +/- a couple around then. “A well regulated militia” literally meant a citizenry practiced and familiar with arms, as “regulated” meant not controlled, but effective, trained, practiced, and functional. Additionally, the collective rights argument is preposterous, as the first 9 amendments were all clearly and specifically individual rights, using “the people” to mean all individual U.S. citizens. Somehow the anti-gun side is capable of bringing themselves to argue that, nope, for some weird reason the 2nd Amendment is the only out outlier in the first nine despite being in a group of individual rights and having the same language. What more, the 2nd Amendment says nothing of firearms. It says arms. What is protected in these amendments is not specific objects or technology, it is ideas and general actions. The first amendment does not say “moving type printing presses,” because it’s the idea of free speech and freedom of the press, not the way in which the ideas are disseminated. This is why the first amendment applies to radio, TV, and the internet. Things that the Founders could not have imagined. For the same reason, the 2nd Amendment does NOT only apply to firearms technology of the era. Nor does it apply only to firearms as, again, the text just says “arms” and that includes many things (I’d say single-man-portable weapons that are capable of being used/aimed against an individual target… e.g. not a grenade or anything indiscriminate, but certainly swords, bow & arrow, tasers, etc). To take it a step further, we would believe that the 2nd Amendment was most importantly to protect the people against the government and the government’s standing army and, therefore, the people SHOULD be able to own arms with parity to what government soldiers carry. Indeed, when people say we should be limited to muskets and such of the era, that literally was the cutting edge of military technology and it was the exact same thing that the best soldiers on earth from the most advanced countries on earth carried into battle. THAT’s what’s supposed to be in our homes. Not a specific “arm,” but whatever is on par w/ the arms carried by gov’t soldiers. …example of “arms” not meaning firearms: “The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of these elements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues, and tends to permit uprising. Therefore, the heads of provinces, official agents, and deputies are ordered to collect all the weapons mentioned above and turn them over to the government.” — Toyotomi Hideyoshi (1536-1598) Japanese Chancellor of the Realm, preeminent daimyo, warrior, general and politician of the Sengoku period Reply RockOnHellChild says: January 28, 2015 at 19:24 You were just waiting to let that out, weren’t you? Reply Jeremy S says: January 28, 2015 at 20:10 I didn’t really figure anyone would actually read it all so, yeah, I guess you could say it was just “getting it out” haha Reply Kstan says: January 29, 2015 at 00:37 Nice post/manifesto ..totally stealing the Japanese bit btw tdiinva says: January 29, 2015 at 06:37 The Militia is an agency of the Government defined in Article I Section 8, paragraph 16. This explains the preparatory clause of the Second Amendment. It has nothing to do with Militia itself which already has been authorized. Here is the real original version of Second Amendment from the Virginia Bill of Rights (Article I section 13 of the Virginia Constitution. “Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power. That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” James Madison et al. discovered while they were opposed to a standing Army, the War of 1812 demonstrated that Militia couldn’t cut it and so reluctantly they created a small force of regulars. Note the fear was of what became known as Bonapartism and not the administrative state. Reply IdahoPete says: January 29, 2015 at 11:54 Next time you get into this level of analysis, don’t forget to add the context for the 2nd Amendment: The only DUTY mentioned in the Declaration of Independence. Reply rosignol says: January 29, 2015 at 19:23 My favorite argument is that the right to bear arms only applies when you’re in a government-recognized “militia.” I have good news. Google “10 U.S. Code § 311”. Welcome to the government-recognized militia. 🙂 Reply Shane in Chandler says: January 28, 2015 at 18:05 Outstanding! Reply Paul G says: January 28, 2015 at 18:28 Whew, I am so glad that the Constitution is a “living document” and that I can interpret it any way I please. Reply Former Water Walker says: January 28, 2015 at 18:45 I chuckled out loud. Has this guy gotten any Islamic death threats? Reply Kyle says: January 28, 2015 at 19:02 The thing is, they had guns around back then that were way more advanced than the standard muzzle-loading musket. They had breach-loaders, there was the Cookson repeating rifle (which had two 6-shot magazines for a total of 12 straight shots), and the Girondoni air rifle which could fire over 20 straight shots silently, then be quickly reloaded via a speed loader, and fired again. I think you needed to put about 60 shots through it before it would begin running out of pressure. Reply ValleyForge77 says: January 28, 2015 at 19:08 Nice! I think I’m going to form a Hunting Militia! We can all kit up in full gear and go all out Tactical on those damn Tyrant Deer! Reply MAC][ says: January 28, 2015 at 19:23 That was Legen…wait for it…dary! You know that you can actually find 83% of this early draft in the Federalist Papers? True Story. Reply Last Marine OUT ! says: January 28, 2015 at 19:32 and reading the anti-federalist papers they wanted less government, and also some states would not join until the Bill of Rights….We almost did NOT GET a United States… Because of the Federalist view of a stronger Federal government…It was a real battle for years…. Reply Curtis in IL says: January 28, 2015 at 20:30 228 years and counting. Reply Mack Bolan says: January 28, 2015 at 19:48 It just needs a voice over at the end that says “My name is Dan Baum and I approve this message.” Reply Gearmoe says: January 28, 2015 at 20:33 Humor is excellent method to promote a positive image. Good job and thank-you. You’re on the right track to taking the negative spin away from anti-2A adverts. Stay with it! Reply soccerdad says: January 29, 2015 at 00:49 ugh! I want my one minute back. why would you even post this shit? Reply Morgan Y. says: January 29, 2015 at 05:33 He didn’t even include the “may issue” thing. I mean, it’s the state and government that decides even if I’m allowed to carry and how to own a gun. Reply Mike says: January 29, 2015 at 07:31 Definitely a game changer! Lol. Reply PeterK says: January 29, 2015 at 07:41 Yeah, that crap is hilarious. Me gusta. Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.