I’ve heard some stupid sh*t in my life, but this is truly amazing. I know: I should be a bit more decorous leading into this post, so that readers of a more gentleĀ disposition than your humble correspondentĀ can watch Mr. Uygur hoist himself by his own rhetorical petard. But The Young Turks host’s “thought experiment” on guns is all but completely incoherent. He asks us to imagine someone in a room with three guns. And . . . that’s it. In his opinion, that person is in more danger than he would be if he was in the room with no guns. Which tells us Ā . . .
That Mr. Uygur is batsh*t crazy. Clearly, he believes that guns have some kind of magical, evil property. (Lord of the Rings much?) That they can shoot themselves or somehow seduce non-violent folks into going crazy shooting themselves or someone else. Not to go all anecdotal, but I’ve been alone in a room with dozens of guns and walked away without injuring myself or anyone else. Same goes for a closet filled with poisonous cleaning materials. And a Ferrari Enzo.
After listening to his experimental protocol, Mr. Uygur’s fellow panelist rushes to his aid, trying to make sense out of nonsense. He suggests that it’s crazy to be in a room with three guns because it’s crazy to think someone might come into that room and shoot you. It’s a borderline rational thought. Of which Mr. Uygur’s having none. He clings to his original assertion: it’s “almost inescapable” that guns are more dangerous than no-guns. Unless, as his pal suggests, you need a gun.
Mr. Uygur’s insanity will not be denied. He insists that a pro-gun person alone in a hermetically sealed room with one gun would feel safer if there were three guns in the room. No mention of the “one is none, two is one and three is two” philosophy of tacticool operators operating. They just would.
Now I could go on about the female panelists’ condescending conclusion that average people are incapable of using a gun defensively – despite estimates of tens of thousands of successful defensive gun uses per year. And the fact that the bearded one completely contradicts her in the guise of agreeing with her. But in the land of the blind Cenk Uygur is king.
“If they’re four of us, there’s probably three guns in the room already,” Mr. Uygur opines, returning to his thought experiment like a paranoid schizophrenic returning to his delusion. “And the fourth guy is thinking, I’ve got to get one,” Uygur says. Weird isn’t it? His “analogy” has no context whatsoever. None. We don’t know who’s in the room or what they’re doing. Just a room, four guys and three guns.
In some ways, this “gun room” thought experiment is the perfect representation of Uygur’s views on firearms. There’s no rhyme or reason for its existence. The only point it makes: there isn’t any point. Despite the assumption that something bad’s going to happen, that something is going to happen, nothing does. It’s Beckett’s Waiting for Godot – with guns!
And then the girl completely contradicts herself again, calling non-gun owners paranoid, proving herself wrong without any help. What do you expect in a fact-free zone (kinda like that Uygur’s metaphorical room) where the host can say that the overwhelming majority of NRA members support [expanded] background checks without fear of contradiction. And his pal can say that both Fort Hood shooters are dead.
Like so many gun control advocates, Mr. Uygur lives and works in an echo chamber. More than that, his “room”Ā is completely sealed from outside influence. As a result, his voice is now so important to him, so loud, that the echo is doubling back on itself, driving him nuts. And I don’t mean metaphorically.
There’s only one cure: range time!Ā Cenk you’re invited. Ping [email protected]. Question: is it OK if we bring more than one gun? ‘Cause then you won’t have to beware. It’s a gun joke, we’ll explain it later.
When you notice that in almost every Hollywood action movie or TV show the Bad Guys NEVER have a problem getting enough guns and ammunition, even full-auto, and the good guys never comment on it or wonder where or how they got them.
When you watch TV/movie gun battles and always do the mental calculation as to hundreds of rounds fired vs. number of actual injuries sustained.
I’d choose a Five-seveN just for novelty, a Mauser C96 for rarity… maybe a Ruger Vaquero just because they look good… actually maybe a Nambu instead of the Mauser…
we should ask these young turks if the Armenians had weapons would they have been genocided?
Fitting that Cenk is Turkish and is an Armenian Genocide denier. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks#Armenian_Genocide_shiftiness
Fitting that the “Young Turks” is also the name of the regime that carried out the genocide.
And what a shock that Uygur also has his head deep up the rectum of Obama and Hillary.
Lt. Cook, I’d follow you into Hell with a water gun.
Mr. Uygur lives and works in an echo chamber.
Negative. He lives and works in a lunatic asylum known as Al Jazeera. He used to live and work in another lunatic asylum known as MSNBC, but something ran down Chris Matthews’ leg, so the Turk got a visit from the turk and was replaced by the Fat Rat, Al Sharpton.
So there you have it — from Al Sharpton to Al Jazeera in one easy lesson.
Don’t you mean Al-Gore-zeera? š
Exactly. How do you forget you’re carrying if your gonna fly?
Only two of my guns have likely killed some people. And those people were Nazis.
I have four guns in my room with me currently.
If I were to walk into a room with three guns, I’d keep them pointed in a safe direction, then remove each of the magazines, rack the slide to eject any rounds in the chamber, and then lock the slide back. Fairly simple.
And since we’re in “imagination-land” I’d be happy at increasing my gun collection by three.
Everything depends on context. Unanswered is the question of WHY there are three “guns” in the room. What, if anything, is there purpose for being there?
Beyond that, and assuming there was no immediate threat that required the presence of those guns, I agree with your plan of action – unload and check each of the weapons before proceeding, with the proviso that the Ruger on my hip remain loaded and functional at all times.
Thank you 1LT Cook. Of course you realize your career is over, not right away but in time.
You broke the military rule: Cooperate and graduate. I wouldn’t give you 2 cents for most Colonels and fewer Admirals/Generals (their rank is just another name for politician).
I give you a heck of a lot of credit, Mr. Farago. I couldn’t last more than one minute of that video before my head starting to really hurt from the idiocy.
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I somehow made it past the 2 minute mark.
Ironic his show is called “the young turks”.
Anyway his dumbass “three guns vs no guns” argument is… dumb. We are also safer with no pool vs having a pool. BAN POOLS
This story seems familiar…
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What’s the point of being detained for 24 hours in Israel? I get detention, but why the specificity of time?
It’s like you can fight for this country, but you cannot vote? What the hell, Carr a gun in war, but wait a minute you can’t wear one here!
If I were ever in a hermetically sealed room, I’d definitely feel much safer knowing I had some means of poking a few ventilation holes.
What was sound signature like for the ghost protocol; the design looks like it would disperse the gases/noise more uniformly around the brake. Thanks for the review.
“Stripped of my God-given Right to arm myself, the only defensive posture I had left was to lie prostrate on the ground, and wait to die.”
There were FOURTEEN SOLDIERS in that room and all you could do was lie there and wait to die???
You, an officer, should have been organizing a takedown, not passively awaiting your fate.
Does this Turkish Twink even have a real job? I just wiki’ed him as I was clueless on what it did. Not much. Another failure of our immigration policies.
More like a ‘thought-less experiment’, I would say…
That’s how these Liberals think: ‘in a vacuum’, ‘in a perfect world’ — without any context of reality.
That’s why they come up with these wonderful pie in the sky ideas that just don’t work in the real world.
Like Socialism.
All those stupid variables like wind, landmasses, and solar radiation are making it so hard for them to prove anthropomorphic global warming. Its just so embarrassing that they can’t make a single working model that can predict the warming they’ve been preaching about.
Guns are the same way, if people were just mindless psycho killing machines like they’ve been saying and predicting this whole disarmament thing would be done already.
Progressives don’t deal with the real world, they are always gazing towards their theoretical Utopia. Its not the system thats wrong, it would work if all these people didn’t keep fighting them.
Well said Sir!
Free citizens will never give up our weapons, God bless our Consitution!
Others have already discussed the courage and integrity shown by Lt. Cook in making his statement publicly, so I will skip to the next point that jumped out at me.
Twenty minutes? They were doing CPR on him for twenty minutes? I don’t think a wounded man would wait that long in the middle of Baghdad for a medevac. As tragic as the whole situation is, it could only be made worse if SFC Ferguson could have been saved by a response time even as good as local city police and fire.
Please stop recommending dial calipers. It is a disservice to folks who have no need to learn the obsolescent skill of reading a dial caliper. A Harbor Freight digital caliper is a superior choice for anyone who doesn’t already own precision calipers.
And you can automatically do center-to-center measurements with a digital caliper:
1) Close the caliper completely
2) Zero the caliper (to make sure you are starting at zero when the caliper is closed; you should basically develop a habit of re-zeroing a digital caliper often to make sure that your measurements are accurate and not impacted by an accidental re-zeroing)
3) Open it to your bullet size (reading it directly in inches or millimeters; most digital calipers will do both)
4) Zero the caliper again without moving it from your bullet diameter setting (thereby creating a negative offset the diameter of your bullet)
5) Measure directly outside to outside across your group getting an accurate center-to-center distance
One of the many digital caliper tricks…
Not everything needs to be digital and require a battery. Simple math and a good analog caliper still gets the job done.
Thank you. Please know your death will serve a purpose. It will feed the agenda of those who want to undermine the Constitution.
Oddly enough, I patterned some 00 Buck today.
I hadn’t done it in awhile, figured it was time to reconfirm the spread of the ol’ 12 gauge at various ranges with my HD ammo.
This may be THE most frustrating conservation I have ever listened to. Assuming that these guys have a liberal arts background, it seems that they skipped class on logical fallacy day.
So who are these extremely stupid people?
When you aren’t actively using the windex bottle you keep your trigger finger nicely along the nozzle, off the trigger.
Can you put me in a room with 3,000 rounds of .22lr instead?
I can only infer that Uygur had been obsessing on three gun. “Should I or shouldn’t I? Would it give me options? Would it improve my skills?” Well, of course it would. A 1911 in 38 Super, an AR target gun with a light trigger, and a Benelli M4 would do.
You see, this is exactly the wretched reality a guy like Uygur faces with three gun: Yes Uygar, you can only use three guns, one for each role. You have to make up your mind. At first that limitation is upsetting, but once you do you’ll be safer, less stressed. So pick three already.
thinking of lord of the rings Narrator voice :One 1911 to rule them all, one 1911 to find them,
One 1911 to bring them all and in the darkness bind them MWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
Yes, but how do I convert to cubits?
If you are measuring your groups in cubits you need a bit more practice before measuring accuracy is an issue.
Alternatively, you could just pray to Yahweh for help hitting what you aim at, then group size is not an issue.
Since cubits are a rather imprecise measurement standard (from your elbow to your fingertip), there is no need to convert it. A good guess should be close enough in cubits.
“hermetically sealed room”. I guess you would soon die of aspxiation if you don’t shoot your way out.
/sarc
The NRA is a terrorist organization. Supporters of the NRA support that terrorist organization. Thankfull here no one was killed by a gun since there was no gun to do the killing.
No threat to see here, move along people. Lion was probably just upset the gate was being closed even though he was only 20 minutes late for his tee time.
When you are walking around with a strap of a bag in your hand and realize you have your index finger extended out of sheer habit.
OMG! The TSA agent is making a “gun sign” with his gloved hand.
OR!!–
Just because my 10 year plan can include only ONE…
S&W model 29 6 inches?
This is my neck of the woods. I have never seen a Mtn Lion, but I have seen black bears & bob cats.
Sad to say, but that “open letter”, has now most likely ended his military career.
Growing up just outside of town in semi-rural Northern California, we’d hear about possible mountain lion attacks every once in awhile. I always wondered what I was supposed to do if I came upon one/one came upon me. I think that was one of the few situations that made my vaguely anti-gun parents ponder their stance.
‘Course, I was more likely to get run over by cows than attacked by a mountain lion.
Shrimp Boy pulled an Al Sharpton once before and snitched. He will do it again. Leland is gonna screw up and miss out on the deal
Just read “Beast in the Garden” by David Baron on the kindle.
Great read.
http://www.beastinthegarden.com/Home.html
I won’t spoil it for you, other than to say, if it WAS a mountain lion,
then I think CDFG is wrong on this incident “not being an imminent threat to public safety”. There’s not a lot of detail on that Ammoland link, and I dont have time to dig deeper.
A month ago, a homeless person in Perris, on the other side of the hill from Palm Springs, was pretty chewed up, and CDFG set out traps and so forth:
http://www.ammoland.com/2014/02/california-man-attacked-by-mountain-lion/#axzz2yRmugrQd
The only difference I can see is the worker got behind a gate before the charging cat got him. Its always possible it was another animal…per the link CDFG “found no sign”. Odd.
The Lahti and Solothurn 20mm have got the history but Anzio has been building modern 20mm guns. Even suppressors for more fun !
http://www.anzioironworks.com/index.html
Wait, you have to register DOGS? I thought that was only for the Westchester Kennel Club.
The guy gives beards a bad name. Ugh.
When you are listening to a song you like, that a friend told you about, and you hear a gun related LIE. You replay the last few seconds many many times just to confirm and get pissed. Every time you listening to the song after you just get irritated by the ignorance and get shook out of the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIICfPI3MDI
at about 0:40
Just be done with it and make SBR’s legal. As for the SIG pistol brace AR in the mean time, do you really want to get pulled over with that jammed under your seat and explain how it is legally a pistol?
This would be a great question for Shannon Watts to ask her pim. . . I mean boss…
“If guns are bad and signs work, why do your goons carry guns? Why not declare everything gun free and be done with it?”
Unfortunately, it takes awhile for some to get out of “the life”.
Another college student that lacks critical thinking skills. The school system is still failing at its job.
I hope they win.
No way I can make it out there. Is there any way to donate to the Bundy family?
It’s your money, but you may want to acquire some facts first before you become another “low information donor.” Read ropingdown’s comments from a few days ago.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/04/robert-farago/incendiary-image-of-the-day-bureau-of-land-management-sharpshooters-edition/
For all the people pointing out that his career will take a hit because of this:
I know you mean well and are genuinely supportive of this Officer. But youāve missed the mark completely by even mentioning it.
This man is trying to save peopleās lives. Literally.
That we would casually, repeatedly mention how much money or how many promotions that might cost him is a sign of why so few in our society are willing to stand up when it counts.
I don’t mean you guys specifically, but just how much importance we place on those things and/or the general fear of losing them that is part of our mindset as a society.
May God bless Lt. Cook and may He give more of us the courage and wisdom to stand up for what’s important, no matter the sacrifice.
the shooter will skate.
Tyler, that translation is, “de mis manos muertas y frias”
I think the zip-ties can be a good idea. You don’t want that guy you just ordered to the ground to be back in the fight as soon as his buddy distracts you.
Or be like this Spokane guy….
“Jury selection began today in the controversial manslaughter trial of Spokane plumber Gail Gerlach, who shot and killed a 25-year-old man in March of 2013 as the man drove away in Gerlach’s stolen SUV. Prosecutors considered the shooting a case of excessive vigilantism while Gerlach’s supporters argue a right to defend his life and property. ”
http://www.inlander.com/Bloglander/archives/2014/03/31/divisive-gerlach-trial-starts-over-fatal-2013-vehicle-theft-shooting
Obama has the military disarmed for one of two possible reasons : he’s stupid, or his policy deliberately intends these outcomes. We know he’s not stupid, so….