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From the Associated Press . . .

A panel of lawmakers introduced legislation that would strengthen Idaho’s “stand your ground” law by requiring counties to reimburse anyone charged in a slaying if a judge or jury concludes they acted in self-defense.

Sen. Christy Zito, a Republican from Hammett, said the proposal is needed to protect people like Kyle Rittenhouse, who used an AR-15 rifle to shoot three people during a street protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in 2020. Rittenhouse killed Anthony Huber and Joseph Rosenbaum and wounded Gaige Grosskreutz, but he said he acted in self-defense. A jury last year acquitted him of multiple charges including homicide.

“The way our political world is looking more and more every day, we need to make sure that our citizens are protected beyond any shadow of a doubt so if they do indeed take human life, they’re protected from that,” Zito said told the House State Affairs Committee.

Zito, who is sponsoring the proposal along with Rep. Priscilla Giddings, a Republican from White Bird, said the bill includes “immunity and reimbursement for justifiable homicide.”

The immunity and reimbursement wouldn’t apply if the person knew or reasonably should have known that the person they are using force against is a police officer, Zito said.

If enacted, the legislation would require the county or prosecuting state agency where the person was charged with a crime to reimburse the defendant for “all reasonable costs” if they are found not guilty by reason of self-defense. Reasonable costs would include lost wages, the costs of any lost business opportunities and legal costs including bail, expert witness fees, attorney’s bills and other expenses.

The bill also includes a “safety net” to protect defendants if they are sued by victim in a self-defense case, she said.

The proposal was introduced on a unanimous vote.

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    • So, if you have another legit defense (necessity, duress, privileged entry etc etc) and don’t even use force, or if you’re just wrongly accused because they eyewitness-ID the wrong person, you don’t get reimbursed after acquittal. You have to go violently ballistic, or else you pay your own way.
      And you don’t get reimbursed for acquittal after self-defense against a cop. You pay your own way if you stop a cop from committing rape or murder on you.
      Yeah, why do people think these rural conservatives are mean and stupid? Just prejudice, I guess.

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  1. Good idea, and to back up my statement here is a “statistic” which took me a lifetime of 30 seconds to find:
    According to the Small Arms Survey of 2017:
    The American population of 326,474,000 (at the time of the survey) had 393,347,000 in civilian possession. 1,073,743 of which were registered. 392,273,257 of which were unregistered.

    So why not have laws that protect the gun owners of America? Insurance companies protect drivers do they not?

    • Arch Stanton…In the end you turned out to be nothing but a box of bones. Other than that one great movie with the help of a great director.

      • You have a good memory. Sergio Leone was one of the greats. Still, I like the name. I was gonna be Tuco Ramirez but that would be too obvious.

      • Good catch, Debbie. That name made wheels turn in my head while I was reading his post, but your reply helped me locate the memory. Good flick, for sure.

  2. While this sounds great on paper, I would be worried that the prosecution would use this new law to sway a juror “on the fence.” They will certainly paint the picture that “if you acquit, this horrible monster will be getting PAID for his CRIME!!” Etc, etc, etc…

    If you get a juror who starts out wishy-washy on the whole concept of self-defense, this could push them over the edge to convict, simply because they wouldn’t want the accused to “profit” from their “crime.”

  3. What about the case of a non-lethal self defense shooting? Suppose the perp doesn’t die but ends up in a wheelchair?

    • The legitimate use of self defense does hold the victim libel for the perp’s wheelchair, funeral expenses, etc. In a legitimate self defense situation generally what happens to the perp is much less than what the perp intended to do to the victim. Do the crime do the time…wheelchair included.

        • I am,of course, willing to be wrong about this but with the exception of certain states being declared innocent in a defensive shoot doesn’t protect from a civil suit.

        • Johna, an example of protection from civil suit would be Colorado. It is also implied in the Idaho bill.

          Colorado 18-1-704.5 Use Of Deadly Physical Force Against An Intruder (“Make My Day Law”)
          4. Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.

  4. “The immunity and reimbursement wouldn’t apply if the person knew or reasonably should have known that the person they are using force against is a police officer, Zito said.“

    Wow…Isn’t it the position of most police that if you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t fear a search? If you don’t deserve to be shot, why are you afraid of a jury returning innocent verdicts left and right?

    Basically they’re saying that people who shoot someone with a badge justifiably should be out a whole lot of money no matter WHAT the perp was doing. Where is the exception for aggravated rape? Where is the exception for attempted murder?

    Bootlickers forever

    • RE: “The immunity and reimbursement wouldn’t apply if the person knew or reasonably should have known that the person they are using force against is a police officer, Zito said.“

      RE: “Basically they’re saying that people who shoot someone with a badge justifiably should be out a whole lot of money no matter WHAT the perp was doing. Where is the exception for aggravated rape? Where is the exception for attempted murder? Bootlickers forever”

      Read the top quote slowly…Basically the bill does not cover haphazard morons who say they did not know the person they used force against was law enforcement when anyone with a shread of common sense could see the person was law enforcement.

    • First thing that stood out to me in the text. Get rid of this carve out for goons and the bill is pure gold.

      I think I will go to work today and try to do what I can in the cold rain. Moving to Idaho won’t pay for itself!

  5. That’s a little something.
    In the end the state has essentially unlimited resources to go after you and for how long they jam you up depends entirely on judges who are just biased and flawed human beings in cultish robes.

  6. Great Idea, hope it passes.
    I’m a believer of loser pays laws when it comes to court cases. Or frivolous cases of any kind.

  7. OHIO ABOUT TO DESCEND INTO COMPLETE MADNESS AND CHAOS DUE TO FAR RIGHT LUNATIC REPUBLICANS.

    Hundreds of Ohioans (including at least 30 residents of Stark and adjacent counties) have testified in House and Senate hearings against various versions of permitless carry. The Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police, Fraternal Order of Police of Ohio, Ohio Mayors Alliance, and the Catholic Conference of Ohio all oppose this bill. Reliable polling shows that 82% to 90% of Ohioans support background checks, including 79% of gun owners.

    The second bill, HB 455, undermines the rights of private business owners, schools, and hospitals to keep guns out of their buildings. CCW licensees will be able to carry a “deadly weapon” into these buildings even if there is a “No Guns Allowed” sign posted and they won’t be charged with a crime unless they refuse to leave if asked to do so by an employee. So, we will expect store clerks, food servers and nurses to confront people carrying concealed loaded guns.

    Time is short. Call or email your state representative and tell them to vote no on SB 215 and HB 455. You can go to ohiohouse.gov to find your representative and their contact info. Then call Gov. Mike DeWine and tell him to veto these dangerous bills.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/letter-to-the-editor-ohio-house-planning-to-pass-dangerous-gun-bills/ar-AAUhTGf?li=BBnb7Kz

    • Lil D KNOWS “Madness” and “Lunatic”

      20+ states have already proven that idiot progs in Ohio (and you) are full of crap. There have been no wave of shootings in Constitutional Carry states (obviously)

      “private business owners, schools, and hospitals to keep guns out of their buildings. CCW licensees will be able to carry a “deadly weapon” into these buildings even if there is a “No Guns Allowed” sign posted” – GOOD. YOU do not get to arbitrarily revoke a citizens’ 2nd Amendment rights.

    • Wow. I”m totally convinced and swayed by your knowledge of gun violence (and statistical prowess). I was gonna purchase another polymer-80 kit but I thought what the hell? I ordered 3. 2 for me and one for my nephew – in Compton.

      Keep up the good work. I admire your intellectual demeanor.

    • dacian, the DUNDERHEAD. “Reliable?” Oh Please. Give us a break. None, that is NOT ANY of your studies, polls etc are reliable in any way shape or form. All of your studies start out with a predetermined conclusion. All of your polls have the questions skewed to get the result that you want. You anti-gun radicals are liars 1st degree.

      As to the second bill, what part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, don’t you and your antigun radicals understand? Is English your second language?

      I love it when you use your Leftist propaganda “fake news” media as your “sources”.

  8. Good start. Now how about some civil rights charges against the corrupt, power tripping cops who falsely arrested and imprisoned the law abiding gun owner, too?

  9. This sounds like an excellent idea. In a time when openly partisan prosecutions are becoming more and more of an issue the people need a counter balance to prevent unwarranted prosecution.

  10. Where oh where is pretend attorney and real life wife abuser Lamp the Fool to give us analysis of this legislation? Stop tossing Geoff’s salad and give us the goods, yo!

  11. A similar law was passed in Washington State many years ago, before the lefties in Puget Sound flooded the legislature. If found innocent due to self-defense, the defendants legal fees are paid AND he/she is immune from civil suits (wrongful death, etc.) stemming from the incident.

  12. That’s the law here in Washington and I know of several times it’s been used. Once when Gerlach shot a person driving away in his car. It was a one in a million lucky shot from a distance, through the back window and nailed the guy in the head. He claimed self-defense and won…which even I was surprised about. I never thought the jury would find him not guilty. Anyway Washington State law is such that if a person puts on a self defense case and wins, the county has to pay reasonable defense costs and they did.
    https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/apr/11/gerlach-acquitted-in-shooting-death-of-fleeing/

    I’ve searched for it several times but I’m thinking that Wisconsin has no such law, at least that I can find.

    • If you legitimately defend yourself against a peon, good for you.
      If you legitimately defend yourself against the only ones, we need to bankrupt you for that.

      At least that’s what I think the legislation is saying.

      If the bill is only about legitimate self defense, it needs no further qualifiers IMO.

  13. So, this proposal would saddle the county taxpayers with paying for the often over-zealous prosecution by a progressive DA or CA. I’m not in favor of that.

    In the mean time- what about all the frivolous lawsuits brought in civil court by the family of known thugs and felons when their “loved one’s” career is stopped short by a perfectly legal and especially, logical DGU? That’s where the real money and dangers lie.

    Far better to enact tort reform and also to make the losing party responsible for incurred cost in civil filings.

    I still find it difficult to believe that Rittenhouse has yet to become entangled in the civil lawsuit jungle, or to somehow be charged with some sort of violation of his “victims’” civil rights.

    It’s still early and we’re I him, I’d hang onto my lawyers and keep a very low profile. If nothing else, learn something from George Zimmerman.

  14. ——————————–
    … the proposal is needed to protect people like Kyle Rittenhouse, who used an AR-15 rifle to shoot three people … but he said he acted in self-defense.
    ——————————–

    AP bias spotted. They’re still implying that he committed murder.

    This is one of the reasons why a law like this is needed to make prosecutors think twice before engaging in malicious prosecution, like Binger did. Not to mention that slander laws need to be changed to prevent lying about the innocent, as AP continues to do.

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