The First Amendment protects all speech, especially speech we don’t like. While the First Amendment prohibits the U.S. Government from taking down publications like the neo-Nazi Stormfront website, it doesn’t stop the hosting providers from pulling the plug themselves. The Giffords gun control group reckons that might work for guns. From The AP:
A gun control group founded by former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords asked two web hosting companies on Friday to shut down websites selling parts and machines that help make untraceable homemade firearms known as “ghost guns.”
The Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence asked the providers that host GhostGunner.net and GhostGuns.com to disable the websites for violating the hosting companies’ terms of service.
Again, Constitutional protections only dictate what the government can or cannot do; private citizens are free to provide or deny their services to whomever they choose. In theory. Unless it’s a gay couple asking for a wedding cake, apparently.
But the cut ’em off at the server tactic has worked in the past to take down “hate speech” websites, making “progress” where the government has been unable or unwilling to venture.
Giffords’ argument: the sites providing materials and instructions for people to manufacture their own firearms at home violate the terms of service of the hosting providers.
After reading both the Terms of Service and the Acceptable Use Policy for DreamHost, there’s nothing prohibiting these sites from conducting business. The only clause in the ToS that is applicable is a statement that customers can be terminated at any time for any reason.
Giffords thinks that “the sort of products that have already caused scores of senseless deaths — and are likely to cause many more, unless taken off the market.” Forcibly in this case.
But the same argument could be made of Home Depot selling hammers on their website, which have killed far more people this year than all the Ghost Gun related murders.
The fact remains that these sites are legal and comply with all applicable terms and agreements. Giffords is hoping that liberal lobbying will create enough public pressure to have them taken down anyway, due process be damned.
Smith and Wesson Shield Shield
Non safety model
Good solid choice, very popular here on Everyday carry
About $300 for a reliable polymer striker fired gun
I want one!
True that there are some great deals out there. But why do you think people are buying firearms. It’s not because just the good deals. Because they have a feeling for what is coming. People are sick of being victims and they believe bad things are ahead for America. It is good that people are finally waking up.
Ms. Giffords will never know the true amount of ‘ghost guns’ that are already out there just waiting for the cutting tool to drill out the fire control box. Besides, there are more and more 3D printers being purchased and squirreled away for those dystopian times some are predicting. CNC machines will have to be confiscated to prevent those industrious tinkerers from turning blocks of raw aluminum into, OH MY!, ‘ghost gun’ lower receivers! Hang it up Giffords, your beating a dead horse…
She is the dead above the ears Nag that was beaten. Just doesn’t know it.
She’s trying to stay pertinent, useful and important, all of which she no longer is. At one time however, she was all of those things. A woman with power and influence.
Now she’s the face of manipulation, a puppet on a string, an unpopular paid mouth. If James Brady wasn’t effectively juiced, he would have preceded Gabby in that unpopular quest. Fortunately his brains were rearranged just enough to render him a wheelchair drool monster.
We are brave and bold Gabby. We are brave and bold because we stand in the way of your goal. We will ignore you and your idealistic one-sided nonsensical talking points .
Gabby, you’re nothing but a flashing button on a control panel. Someone pushes that flashing button and you begins your tiresome rhetoric. Perhaps in your mind, that’s better than being forgotten with little else to do than scrubbing toilets and cleaning Captain Kelley’s space cadet Underoos.
Wasn’t Cobra Buckles the government agent in Lilo and Stitch?
Replace the word “guns” with “your rights” and you’ll get a much clearer picture of what all of these discussions and regulations are really about. That’s why gun control is such a touchy subject. People want to keep their guns of course but in reality they are experiencing attempts on taking their rights away. That’s why it makes them so angry.
I grew up in Europe where technically nobody owned a gun, now as a citizen of US, I enjoy target shooting and also the belief that I can protect my family against armed burglars but I still think that firearms are tools for specific job and are not necessary. But it doesn’t mean that they should be outlawed and people’s rights taken away by controlling politicians who own mass media and manipulate half of the population.
I think that religion is more dangerous than firearms but I don’t think it should be illegal or heavily regulated either.
Was Giffords born a delusional psychotic?
Or did she become this way, as a result of,
getting a bullet through the brain??
I guess it’s 6 one way, and a half a dozen the other.
Crazy is as crazy does.
Poor Gabby, prostituted out by her husband…I would feel sorry for her, but she was a douchebag before the shooting
“Giffords Demands Hosting Companies Censor “Ghost Gun” Providers”
Sorry, it doesn’t work that way…
My response to Giffords: …”oh, I’m afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational by the time your friends arrive…” -insert ugly grin here-
Well. I used to like him.
Jim who?
Flare guns are an important safety device, but we don’t need to stop you from sucking on the end of one.
One doesn’t need to be funnny to be a comedian. Demented yeah. Like watching major portions of SNL…
Look… Most of these people are too dumb to live with. Take their EBT cards away for a day, they will riot in the streets. Take them away for two months, they will die in the streets.
Which is fine with me.
There was a time when people carried .22 cal. revolvers tucked in their waistbands, no permits no regulations. That was not in socialist territories then, just as now. Big cities want to make laws for the entire country, they are not content with being the only sources of easy prey.
My Sunday, or “Sunday best” carry is
1- M&P 40Pro 5″
1-M&P 40c
2- 15rd backup mags
1- Benchmade SOCP
1-Benchmade 808 (Loco)
I
A heavy yo-yo with 150 lb test braided fishing line , and a butterfly knife.
It is amazing to me that she seems to believe that slaves did not want to kill their masters. She should go to a library and read up on the long history of slave rebellions.
I must have missed the announcement that the NRA now has wildlife scientists employed.
As long as you’re including the Ruger LCR in your Top 10 List, why not mention that it is available in .327 Federal Magnum as well as .38 Special?
The Fed-Mag cylinder offers the opportunity to carry a load of 6 cartridges instead of 5; and some seniors might find that to be a worthy consideration.
Edit to add: OK, so uncommon_sense beat me to posting this idea by about 17 minutes. . . .
Atibal puts out a solid product been waiting for this to come out to give it a try on my 300 blackout I’ve seen a few of their products on rifles in classes never a problem
Nine out of ten wildlife biologists recommend bear spray as an effective deterrent against bear attacks.
(The 10th biologist could not be contacted.)
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@2Asux — If you want real socialism, go to the failed socialist state of Somalia, which collapsed right along with the Soviet Union — another socialist paradise. Or how about the civil rights black hole that is China? Why you don’t you go try to eek out a living in Venezuela? THAT is the end-result of socialism.
No, no it doesn’t work. It never, ever has and it never, ever will. It’s not even arguable at this point.
Why is Somalia “real socialism”, but the happy nations of northern Europe not so? Somalia is not a “real” country, how can you make the an example of “real” socialism?
Because Somalia was, in fact, a failed socialist satellite of the Soviet Union. Several leaders of Scandinavian countries, as well as the denizens therein that elected them, have rebuked economic illiterates like Bernout after he called them socialist. They are still very much market economies, wholly unlike any faithfully-implemented socialist state which absolutely necessitates absolute government control of the means of production to meet even the most basic definition of the same.
But, according to you, overwhelmingly brown countries can’t even be “real” countries, let alone socialist, apparently.
If you send your loved ones off and it’s an aloha snackbar situation where body count is the goal you may have diverted the gunman/men’s attention to them by their movement.
Do not send them to cover. Escort them to cover. And keep yourself between them and the threat until the threat is over.
You can play Rambo when you’re alone.
Over a quarter of a million for a shotgun. Unbefuckinglievable. Props to who ever is making and selling them however, you sir are the greatest salesman in history. Clearly whoever is paying that much doesn’t deserve the money and it’s better off in your hands.
Anyone notice that the person who signed the article “the gift of a gun” was a guest of Barry O at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg Oregon a week after a shooting there.
She’s a soldier in the army of the insane.
I think they very well what they are doing, it takes a lot of work to look this stupid even for them.
At time 1:40 Adam speaks about the exact thing, how they mix match terms to confused the stupid public.
https://www.full30.com/video/611facd9eb7a7a69bb80c20154bb06e7?utm_source=system&utm_medium=email&utm_content=theguncollective&utm_campaign=subscribers
I was suspicious he was a Chicago politician. Nuff said.
That Bloomberg cash must be awfully good.
Mr Webster has to ignore a whole slew of facts about President Obama to come to this incorrect conclusion. When Obama ran for State Senate he stated he supported a total ban on nearly all fire arms. What has alaways be alarming to me is that they keep claiming others acted against the president only for reasons baised on bigotry, yet the anti gun movement very commonly makes bigoted statements about gun owners as a whole.
OK.
Where the fuck is the guy who posted the list, so I don’t have to watch this lame-ass video?
Plus:
You wanna teach an oldster about guns? Easy. Start screaming at them like their D.I. used to:
Me: WHAT MAKES THE GRASS GROW?
Grandpa: BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD!
Me: WHY DOES GOD LOVE YOU?
Grandpa: BECAUSE I FEED HIM!
Me: WHAT DO YOU FEED HIM?!
Grandpa: BLOOD! BLOOD! BLOOD!
See? The training is still there, you just gotta wake it up.
No guns of any kind. I did however buy 5 cases of ammunition and 2 Pmags.
“No video” he said with relief.
First you beat the sh*to out of it, it’s ugly, blocky, looks like a Hi Point, finger grooves are terrible.. Then you back hand praise it, make up your mind. I have one, 400 rounds in, not one ftf or fte , all kinds of ammo. Snappy, not for me. Heavy? A little more weight in that slide than its brethren in class, but that in fact helps mitigate recoil. Solid build, solid reputation, great price, better rebate than the Shields. 6 round mag is useless to me, 7 rounder is my reload, I love 8 plus 1 is nine, in CT 10 Rounds max is the law. You don’t like the grip, you’ve got little girl hands, when I grip it my middle finger covers the P on the logo, and by the way the mags in backwards,
“National Reciprocity Bill Sponsor On the Coming Full House Vote – Will American gun owners’ post-Trump dream-come-true?”
One can only hope…and IF it happens, it will not be without incidents, watch for those that will challenge at every turn, from ignorant LE to ignorant gun owner…
Patience is a Virtue…
I’ll be more than happy to replace the trigger on my early 1990’s model 700 7mag. The trigger pull is so firm it’s difficult to stay on target, unless you carry out a concentrated, slow-motion, time consuming squeeze. One evening my hunting partner and I counted to three to fire simultaneously at a group of hogs. I of course pulled the shot and put a whole through the leg of the feeder.
Any government big enough to do that is also big enough to hand power right back over to said tech giants. Two words: regulatory capture.