The, uh, friendly missives that the NYPD recently sent to owners of the wrong kinds of guns has caused something of a stir. In the wake of our post, though, some doubts were raised about the letters’ authenticity. You know…Photoshop and all. Surely that can’t be real, right? Some dug around in authoritative sources like forum posts and then dismissed the whole kerfuffle as a hoax. Well, we have this to say about that. First, don’t call us Shirley. Second, foxnews.com has now confirmed the story . . .
An estimated 500 recipients of the notices, which were mailed on Nov. 18, were given the options to surrender their gun, permanently move the gun out of city jurisdiction or employ a licensed gunsmith to modify the weapon to get into compliance with the law. Rifles and shotguns with a capacity of five or more rounds are affected.
The letters aren’t directly related to New York’s egregious new SAFE Act. But the Orwellian-monikered statute that was rammed through the Assembly may have emboldened particularly anti-2A jurisdictions like New York City to step up their enforcement efforts.
“These letters appear to be another example of the Nanny State,” (New York State Assemblyman James) Tedisco said. “Hypothetically, it can start with a letter, and then that can lead to someone knocking on your door saying, ‘I want to see your gun.'”
What could possibly go wrong?
You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
I wouldn’t because of ammo cost, lack of facilities permitted to use FA anywhere around me, and no particular hunting purpose for a tool like that. But in the event we run out of other people’s money this might be handy to have.
I’ve been looking into this, and a found a comment on ar15.com that sounds logical and makes sense. In part, it read:
So it appears they may be hitting a bunch of people that have mag caps >5 “on paper” and then making them prove that they’re legal. It still ain’t pretty.
Pretty sure 99% of ATF thugs are criminals too.
See, we can make crap up too.
Big surprise Obama got another mindless drone installed.
It is truely a blast of realization when you think high power high capacity pistols is the target of the SAFE act but then you see a AR-7 survival .22 designated as a risk to public safety, all, even non-shooters must realize that something is going horribly horribly wrong.
many non shooters neither know nor care about caliber. A gun is a gun is a gun. Try explaining the distinction to any of those nitwits who attend the Moms Demand Action and you will be left with blank stares and claims that you were trying to “intimidate” them by talking about guns.
We need mountain lions in New Zealand. The deer, tahr and goats are running rampant, and there are too many hippie tramper tourists roaming the countryside. The lions could reduce the possum and rabbit overpopulation, and increase the fitness of the local humans (fleeing in terror). There are runors of a black panther in Canterbury (same in NSW in OZ) but otherwise game parks are the only place you can see the big kitties. We would get more interesting (bloodcurdling) news stories.
If there were no NFA regs and no import restrictions I would buy an M240, an M249 and an M4A1, along with an MP5SD..why? because I can
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I guess that affirmative action is working.
Because any black person had to have gotten their job via affirmative action…………………
No, it was the Affirmative Action mentality that enabled this brokedick to get the job. Same thing happened with Obama. Twice.
We also hire the (mentally) handicapped.
Blackpowder weapons have been used in the commission of crime – even as far back as the ‘original car jacking’ – stagecoach bandits. Maybe not a 7-11, maybe not in the last 150 years, but blackpowder guns have been used for crime. A gun is a gun. A bad person using a gun is still a bad person. A good person using a gun is a good person. Doesn’t matter what century the gun was made in. And modern production replicas are even better than the originals.
Clearing malfunctions on one is a full time job in itself
November statistics:
NYPD confiscation letters: 500
Obamacare signups: 1
Zing!
Funny, I have recently been considering a handgun for big game. My trusty Remington 700 chambered in .30-06 has been my go to, but a handgun would offer much more of a challenge. I’m not too fond of single shots like the T/C series, perhaps a big bore revolver would do the trick. ..460 S&W hand cannon anybody?
This is the first pistol I ever purchased approx. 17 years ago in .308 caliber for under $400. At the time rifle hunting for big game was a no go where I lived, but throw that rifle round in a 10″ barrel and you were good. It was very fussy with .308 rounds due to hard military primers in some ammo, however a quick throw of the cocking lever and you were back in business. The gun is still very accurate however the recoil seems to get worse the older I get (must be more powerful ammo).
“Could the ATF do a sequel, F&F II accidentally on purpose?”
I thought I saw it reported a few weeks ago, that is exactly what they’re doing. It was something like because of F&F, they’re now so ‘afraid’ of getting in trouble that they’ve effectively stopped trying to do their job on the southern border, and are just looking the other way altogether.
Red to Red (AK) get it.
Black to Black (where’s the AR)
Bravo!
I think the 454 and 500 s&W did them in. but if you must go rifle cartridge, there is always the BFR.
launching a 350 grain bullet at 1800 fps from a 10 in barrell in 450 marlin. just bracing I’m sure
well, i feel so much better that no one is coming for my guns.
I’ve lived in the St. Louis area most of my life. This mess in Herky, as it’s known, isn’t something new; it’s some 30 years old. This story is NOT a case of the government interfering with private business.
The EPA didn’t stick its nose in, the residents had to fight to get any help. Doe Run has a long history of bad practice; up to dumping raw waste. Most of the kids are showing lead poisoning. The company ended up buying and bulldozing more than 100 homes because of contamination around the plant. They have inflicted tangible harm to the residents and their property and continued to do so, unrepentantly IMHO. Missouri has gone out of their way to work with them over the decades, to little avail.
Put simply, Doe Run Company does have it’s rights, but those rights end where they infringe on the inalienable rights of others.
My question is why are they talking about going to China? Doesn’t Doe Run also have a smelter in Peru? And there are a lot of other sources for lead, as well.
I’ve seen several stories on this from ammo manufacturers. They all note that this is not going to affect their business. In truth, this story is a few years old, so they’ve had plenty of time for impact analysis. There isn’t a compelling reason to *not* believe them.
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People say/believe what they need to say/believe to make them feel more comfortable.
“My 17rd glock will protect me better than a 5shot steel revolver that weighs the same weight”
“My 5 shot revolver is more likely to work reliably at all times than a 17rd glock”
“I’d rather buy a 65″ LCD tv this year than replace my .25acp raven POS that my uncle gave me, since just having a gun is good enough”
The author seems to dismiss equipment outright, while I think it’s important to consider all elements as being important. That being said, just do the best you can. I was able to procure the funds for a 9mm pocket pistol that I now can practice with at every range outing, as opposed to my old .380, that was expensive and difficult to keep fed. Would I dissuade someone from carrying a 25acp pistol if that’s all they could afford? No… but I wouldn’t tell them that they’re set for life either.
Ultimately we’re not cops, choosing the wrong equipment largely falls on your own head. You carry what you want, it makes no difference to me. Just don’t tell me that my 11+rd magazines are overkill and useless, and that a 10rd limit won’t affect us citizens since we don’t need a high capacity combat weapon. After all, grandpa’s 5rd smith and wesson worked just fine for him, why don’t you surrender your glock…for the children.
Hyperbole is one of those things we see all too often on the internet. It’s always all or nothing, and if we can hurl an insult or exaggeration or two at our chosen boogyman while we are at it, all the better.
Thousands spent on training, classes every month? Nah, but $450.00 spent for a two day Fighting Pistol class is money very well spent. First hours of class being taught to avoid avoid avoid confrontation as much as possible and the legal ramifications of shooting someone explained in detail. The next hours spent on a 360 degree range learning practical ways of shooting a bad guy, reloading, clearing weapons malfunctions? Priceless. No “operators” in this class. No “ninjas,” whatever that means. Just plain good information and excellent training for the everyday defensive shooting man or woman.
Tons of tacticool gear on my duty belt? Nah. A spare mag or two on my belt? A good knife? YES, PLEASE. Anyone who has actually been in an armed confrontation always says the same thing: “I wish I had more bullets.”
And if defensive shooters really can’t see the value of taking a big step to the right or left when facing an armed adversary (getting off the X) than we have a bigger problem here. Back to school, kids.
The best gun is the one you have with you? YES. The best training is the training you go and take.
Holy badass patriarch, batman! Would that we all could have such great people in our lives as your family.
I’d like me some belt fed full auto fun for sure if all the fiscal and legal planets aligned, but in my estimation there’s only a few machine guns that qualify as artwork you can shoot and none are a Minimi. I’m thinking Vickers Gun, German/Finnish/Russian Maxims, Browning M1917/1919, Lewis Gun etc. There’s just something about the heft and steady controllable ROF of a WWI machine gun that really speaks to me.
On the cheaper/cost effective/greater mobility end of the spectrum, can’t go wrong with the trusty PKM and a crate full of 7.62 x 54R. Or a BAR and .30-06 if I were inclined to Buy American.
I feel pretty close to your friend. I don’t have $100 at the end of the month, but I’m still socking away $20 for the gun of my choice when the right gun and me having the money come into alignment.
I feel like this sums up my feeling on defensive guns better than anything else: you carry to give you options.
I think a guy going out and getting a gun to carry is perfectly legit. I don’t believe that you need a certain amount of training to carry. Sam Colt made men equal because point and squeeze are about as easy as it gets in a fight. So for the most part we agree.
My issue comes in with stuff like “social norms” and “realistic threats” that you talk about.
First: The industry caters to mall ninjas b/c it sells. Plain and simple. I think most of that crap is hilarious and entirely superfluous. But if it’s useful to you go for it.
Second: Realistically none of us is in any threat. Crime is falling. the likelihood of being in a fight where you need a gun is incredibly rare. So your advocating ‘this carry’ but not ‘that carry’ seems a little backward. It’s the same logic that’s used to justify not carrying at all.
It will take me a long time to save up for and find any decent training probably, but I want to be as capable as possible in as many situation as possible. Yes the gun you carry is better than nothing, but if you have gone to the effort and inherent liability that it is to carry a gun, why would you settle for something that is going to give you less options for no clear benefit? Familiarity is a benefit. If all you got is a snubbie, carry it proud, but if you CAN carry reasonably a snubbie or a glock, wouldn’t you take the glock? The whole idea of the gun is “just in case.” There is only a really small chance you’ll ever draw the thing, so carrying at all is unncessary, right? But you do it. Or advocate it at least, because you want the option. So why deride others who are only out to provide more options.
Just my thoughts.
How short is the barrel?
Looks like an AR pistol mated with a Machine gun.
Can I have one with a SIG pistol arm brace for the Rambo look