The Senate Judiciary Committee met today to mark-up the various civilian disarmament bills before the Senate, including Senator Feinstein’s “Assault Weapons Ban.” Senator John Coryn proposed an amendment that would have allowed veterans to continue to purchase “assault weapons” just like retired cops. [Click here to view Coryn’s proposal.] “Members and veterans of the Armed Forces are the most highly-trained and qualified individuals to own these weapons for self-defense purposes,” the Texas Republican told the Committee. “We should think long and hard before disarming these heroes, preventing them from protecting their families and communities.” Senator Feinstein opposed the amendment (which didn’t pass) on the basis that veterans have PTSD and can’t be trusted with guns. Here are her exact words:
The problem with expanding this is that, you know, with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transfer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member or veteran and there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
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I think we have to – if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally, don’t have access to this kind of weapon.
Here’s how I interpret that statement. First, she believes that PTSD is a new phenomenon that has only begun since the Iraq wars instead of the same condition we’ve seen since war began and therefore she doesn’t understand PTSD. Second, because she doesn’t understand PTSD she believes that everyone who has been diagnosed with it is insane and incapable of rational thought. And third, that the prevalence of PTSD in the military is so high in her mind and so dangerous that she would require screening for it BEFORE requiring mental health screenings for LEOs or civilians.
Therefore, it appears that she has this idea in her mind, a stereotype if you will, that veterans and people in the military are psychos that need mental health screenings.
These are the same veterans we hand machine guns to on a regular basis and send into battle. Feinstein considers them too crazy to own an AR-style rifle back home in the United States. Imagine that.
[The original title for this article implied that Feinstein believed ALL veterans to have PTSD. That was based on initial reports of her testimony and has proven to be inaccurate. We have amended the text to reflect her actual statements.]
I love my tlr1s for my guns. I have a 160 and 300 and both are amazing lights. Friend has the HL and likes it. It’s stupid bright.
Empty SKS with bayonet….
Feinstein’s bodyguards shouldn’t be allowed to carry weapons because they all have PTSD from having to deal with her.
They have to have something messed in the head to be a bodyguard for that
B!yatch in the first place.
They’re probably all veterans. How does she explain that one???
Not to one up the original writer’s letter, but since the late 1980’s, that has been the situation in California.
Welcome to the party.
Citation? Not denying she’d say something like that, just curious what context could possible make such a generalization seem reasonable.
I didn’t see it directly, but I have multiple sources confirming that the amendment was proposed, and her argument against it was the idea that veterans have PTSD and therefore can’t be trusted.
She shouldn’t be allowed to own a brain either…..oh wait, sorry she doesn’t own one.
I still think she looks like an old version of Linda Lovelace giving oral to an elephant!!!
Dear god, man, bleach does not work on the mind’s eye! He careful with such images!
Oh boy, she just doesn’t know when to shut up and give it a rest does she? I have a very bad feeling so bad shtuff is about to go down……
All the other senators are chickenshit of standing up to her and tell her she’s full of shit. I’m Embarrassed that she’s a senator from my state. Why do we keep electing her? I thought she’s be shot already.
Most pro-gunners in CA, like me, believe in the judicial and democratic process. That is, defeating these bullshit laws in court, and voting antis out of office, in order to preserve our rights. Violence is only a last resort, if corruption or something blocks our legal pathways. But desperate times do call for desperate measures, so I’m not surprised that she has bodyguards.
She’s part of the reason why I left my beloved CA for Oregon. I miss CA, and want to go back so bad, but I can’t because I own guns… I don’t want to have to give up my guns to the morons in Sac…
Not to mention that the DHS and other agencies consider veterans, especially returning vets, to be one of the biggest threats to national security.
Why do people keep thinking it’s a good idea to piss veterans off? If we all have PTSD, which is a nonsense statement, this makes pissing us off even more ill advised. Plus, we tend to vote and like gun owners we tend to remember these insults.
Not too loud!
You’ll trash the narrative!
Has there been any announcement from Kimber about their presence in New York?
What about micro-stamping? I thought Remington was threatening to leave NY over that one. Now it seems we get nothing from but crickets from them.
PCLL
She is 80 some, and needs a nursing home. She is getting senile.
Getting?!
I hem and haw about this topic a lot. Two neighbors are ex-military, one is certainly well equipped. Two other neighbors don’t own guns but have the right attitude for something like a revolver. Another neighbor is an avid hunter and is well enough equipped for SHTF. But no one really seems that interested in considering worst case scenario and even with six of us we wouldn’t be able to hold our neighborhood from roving looters. If it gets ugly I’ll bug out with what I can and share with them the useful things I can’t take with me. Maybe they’ll keep an eye on my house while I’m gone but also they’ll be understanding that there won’t be much useful left in it to loot anyways.
I’ve got the opposite problem. I live in the country on a dead-end road and all my neighbors shoot. Unfortunately, whenever a “townie” comes out to the house and takes a look around they invariably mention something about “how they know where they’re coming when the zombie apocalypse hits…”. Unfortunately, because they’re “townies”, they won’t bring any food, water, fuel, shelter, guns or ammo with them. Bunch of useless gits, actually. While I’d have no problem arming and helping out the neighbors, I don’t plan on harboring any townies unless they’re Marines, have backwoods training or can’t skin a deer/turkey/rabbit. Let ’em eat their own…
So the Brady bunch was right – guns DO kill people? Crap. Guess I have ta go turn in all my guns now, before my shotgun shoots me with my AR. They’re right next to each other in the safe.
Just two questions. Pardon my ignorance, but I have not handled a lever gun since my Marlin 30-30 in 1975.
1. Is it possible to “short stroke” a lever action?
2. Does anyone make a lever action with a removable box magazine?
Okay, #3, can you get a lever action in 7.62 or 5.56 NATO?
I would say that lever guns are among the least favorable choices for total newbs. If it’s not something you’ve ever done before, trying to reload a lever gun, especially one that hasn’t had at least a few hundred rounds put through, under pressure could turn into a big snafu. My lever guns are chambered in .45-70, .44 and thutty-thutty, none of which are particularly light in recoil given that my ’94 is a trapper.
Personally I think NEF handi rifles and shotguns are the best options for arming neighbors. Not only are they (almost) idiot proof, but they also don’t cost a whole bunch. I wouldn’t be all too enthusiastic about putting one of my $1500 AR’s into anyone’s hands unless they are close friends or family.
We really need a video or transcript. I won’t post about it until I can quote her verbatim.
I have been around combat veterans since I was born. If Iraqi and Afghan war veterans have PTSD what about the “Greatest Generation?” Not to offend our current crop of veterans but the WWII and Korean War vets faced a far higher intensity of sustained combat against forces who could put out the same or higher levels of combat power. I never felt threatened by any of my uncles even though one of them got mustered out in 1944 because he had such a severe case of shell shock.
I think a lot of Second Amendment supporters are letting her run her mouth because she does damages to the gun control cause.
Not to get into a semantic argument about generational gaps and amounts of sustained combat, I know that’s not what your post was about. However, I heard estimates that about 6% of WWII vets were combat vets, leaving 94% to be involved in support roles (not saying anything disparaging about those individuals). We were only involved in WWII for 4 years, as opposed to the 11+ years of combat in Afghanistan/Iraq and while there is definitely no arguing the body counts between the two (I would attribute many to battlefield care) I do not agree about the combat intensity. We have soldiers (many found in the SOF communities) that are approaching their 15 combat deployment, multiple deployments a year, and they are in combat situations almost daily. You would be hard pressed to find any GI’s from WWII that encountered that type of operational tempo without large periods rest.
I understand what you are saying and I agree in spirit, but I wanted to give my opinion on the differences of this comparison. There’s no doubt that WWII and Korean vets saw some of the most intense action ever witnessed in the history of warfare but the sustained effects of prolonged exposure to high-intensity situations is what makes many of our returning vets at greater danger. Somewhere around .5% of the population has been involved in this decade long war as opposed to the 11.5% of the American population that served in the 4 years of WWII.
While I agree that not every vet has PTSD, there still are many that lose their fight to it everyday. Saying if this generation has PTSD imagine the “greatest generation”, to downplay the effects of sustained combat by disparaging members of this current conflict, is inaccurate.
This seems like an incredibly stupid thing to say for a career minded politician such as herself. Granted, she probably feels as though her seat is safe – and given that the major urban centers of California is all she really needs, that is likely the case – but it shows a rather callous disregard for the significant number of men and women in uniform who call California their home. Seriously… the state is home to multiple installations for each branch of the military. I haven’t looked up the numbers, but i wouldn’t be surprised if California housed more military installations than any other state.
That speaks volumes about the mentality of most Californians. We really should give that entire state back to Mexico and put up an electric fence around its borders. Common sense in the country would go up over night and then we can focus on what to do with NYC.
She doesn’t want veterans owning firearms, especially sporting rifles, because she knows they are trained and willing to use them to spoil her tyranny party.
The gun trafficking bill was voted on already and passed.
*Touching* a gun isn’t a the problem. It’s once you *stop* touching your gun that threats find an opportunity.
FOAD, Madam Senator.
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A ‘crazy’ veteran.
Ive done the same, as have EVERYBODY i know that shares how they vote. Shes in there for a reason, from “up high” in the corruption dept.
My county had actually entertained the idea of secession from the rest of ca because we are comprised of MOSTLY “republicans” and libertarian types and the states agenda was not serving everything from Orange County southward for the most part.
Her only concern is disarming those who are a threat from their training, and those citizens who have weapons that enable them to defend themselves more effectively than their training would allow with another weapon.
An AR or AK in the hands of an unskilled user is far more effective than say a Mosin Nagant in those same hands. Thats not what she wants. “mr and ms america turn em all in” is her mantra.
Cant think of anything more disrespectful to our troops that have risked much, some all for our nation. Liberal Pig .. shame on you
I’m lucky that my wife makes it her mission to make sure we are on friendly terms with neighbors, even in “chilly” CT. Also lucky that one of my immediate neighbors is, like me, former Canadian Army (though older, so an FN-FAL guy) and his wife was on the rifle team in high school. Once the weather warms up we’ll be taking them out for a range day to get them familiar on modern arms. Another neighbor is a former Marine who served during the transition from M-14 to -16, and still has rifles and shotguns. With my wife and me that’s five adults who I know can shoot and who I know would kill to protect their kids. That’s a decent start.
she needs to lie down and just die already
I believe “FOAD” is the term you’re looking for. 🙂
What a tragedy for both the officers and the dogs.
Just last night I met a BART police officer and his german shepherd dog, and complimented him on his beautiful dog. It was a german bloodlines working dog.
While admittedly some dogs are psychos (just like some people), I hate to see the dogs of either citizens or of cops get killed.
We just had a policeman’s house get broken into in the Bay Area, CA. The crooks stole his guns guns poisoned the dogs. Hope the bastards get what they deserve.
Though I am sure the SAF is aware of the situation, I sent them an email expressing my concerns over the level of experience Mr. Tresmond, as well as the fact that to the best of my knowledge there is another lawsuit under way where, even worse, the plaintiffs are representing themselves. I concluded by stating that I hope the SAF can help them out in some way, and hopefully avoid the situation where they lose and bad legal precedent is set.
The Truth About Guns, “Dyspeptic”, is doing what they should, posting the truth. The truth here is simple:
The Tresmond firm is a small, family-run legal firm.
The Holtz case is extremely strong.
An injunction will be granted on April 29th unless NY State can prove the assault weapons ban in the SAFE Act to be Constitutional (yeah, good luck with that).
The case is striking quickly as its an Article 78 proceeding.
Gun owners across the entire US will benefit tremendously.
It’s rather sickening that big bottom-dollar corporations and law firms are running underground smear campaigns to try and harm their efforts by discrediting a small firm through media sites and forums. It’s only going to hurt the pro-gun cause in the long run.
A couple of comments on TAGG expressing my concern is hardly an “underground smear campaign.”
Perhaps the existence of PTSD provides the necessary self-serving justification for keeping an experienced,possible opposition segment of our population from having access to firearms.My guess is that armed combat veterans taking a stand against tyrants or progressives (interchangeable) is a source of great concern.
Were any officers bit? No? Sounds like they weren’t “fight off three pit-bulls” so much as they were “executing some pit-bulls because they know they can get away with it and feel like bad-asses”. As with most cases of puppy-cide, I seriously doubt these cops were in any danger from these dogs. They just wanted to shoot something. At least this one ended sorta happily with one of the murderous pigs getting shot as well.
You have to love the American people unlike our politicians they speak clearly and plainly, Americans have a way of letting you know exactly where they stand and what makes sense
The Junkyard Dog is THE MAN.
That is ludicrous. Everytime I want to buy ammo I’d have to take an anger management course. LMAO. Does anyone know if she escaped a mental institution?
Thanks for telling it like it is. The people in this nation are pathetic cowards, unworthy of this nation’s legacy.
Thanks for sharing Bill. As a whole I agree with you, but would revise the end. You state:
“Until any of you have a real plan that addresses the cause of violence in this Country, I suggest you put a sock in it, stand quietly in the corner, and think about it for more than a microsecond. ”
The underlying argument here is, I believe an unintended strawman – this could be restated by the libtards as “once we have a plan to end all violence in the country then we can take away the people’s guns and they’re ok with it. Protection from violence is the only legitimate reason to own a gun and now that we have a plan to remove all violence there is no legitimate reason to own guns, so we’re taking them away.”
The fact is, the 2nd amendment protects our right to gun ownership, even if the United States were a utopia with zero crime. Period. No justification is required to why I own my guns, it’s just my right.
As this is a very dangerous time for gun rights, it’s important that we be careful how we frame our view, as the liberals will take anything to strip us of our rights. The liberal media spin machine is good at twisting terms, even I was talking about “high capacity” mags, but now I have “standard capacity” 17 round mags in my Glock 17 – because they are standard, that is what police and military use, so its standard. Anything less is a 2A infringing artificially restricted cap mag.
Anyway, a minor point and thanks again for sharing your story Bill. As gun owners, we must stick together.
A gunsmith living in CA has damned well earned the “dyspeptic” feeling.
We’ve seen the “Diane Gets a Gun” show. And the LA Riots show. The only reason gun-grabbers are two faced is because three faces won’t fit on their head. DiFi should just upgrade her armory and call it a day.
Attaboy Bill!
Dear veterans this is BS that she can come out publicly and berate you and your service to this country. She is just trying to push her political agenda and try to disarm you. Spread the word. And again thank you for your service!
Forget the AR the Asian chick is hotter!!!!!
OMG love this guy NRA where are you hire him
This is BS and we know it just the gov wanting to play control
and raise the Damn price on ammo for us law abiding citizens
big joke on us money/power hungry is the way I see it ..
Again taking gun rights away from us law abiding people
will leave guns in the hands of the lowest of low lifes !!!!!!!!!
My daughter is 4. Now we don’t necessarily have ‘toy’ guns at home, since we have two girls, they’re more akin to Barbies and other stuff. My handguns are stored in a GunVault, and my daughter knows that daddy has guns, and they are in the gunvalut by the bed. I discovered this one day when she came and got me and asked whats in the box. I countered with you know whats in there, and she said, “Your gun!”. I think she wants one because I have one. Standard kid psychology. There was a week there where she figured out what it meant to be married, and that mommy was married to daddy so she wanted to marry me. Makes sense I have a gun, I carry it, so she wants to have one and carry it. Needless to say set the example. Properly. In a holster. I take her to the gun store and she bravely says, “Daddy, those guns over there are big. Those are daddy guns. These ones are small, my guns. I want a pink one.” Now obviously I know she wants one to have one like me. I don’t ask her why she wants one, its cuz she wants to shoot it. And I know that she’d probably play with it, she’s 4. Kids are kids, and are bound to play with EVERYTHING. Even their food. So don’t let your kids play with your guns. If you’re gonna have a gun in the house, do it right. Home carry, or GunVault. The under the pillow nonsense is exactly the type of thing which gets kids killed. Thats why we are parents.
She also wants a red sportbike. I’m gonna be a busy dad when she grows up.
There is absolutely no evidence cited by the author that the color of a gun found by a child unattended in the home has ever or will ever influence the probability that the child will play with the gun. The one incident cited where a pink gun was involved is inconclusive of the hypothesis, as there is nothing to suggest the children would not have played with the gun regardless of its color.
Seems to me that this is a fairly easy controlled experiment to conduct.
Maybe combat veterans should sue her for slander…
I’ve got a .22LR revolver and a single shot 20 gauge I could loan, in a civil defense situation, to someone, every other gun is going to be in use by me or my wife. I might relinquish the Marlin 60, but only in a pinch. That being said, I’m nowhere near “done” are far as getting the guns I want, so I expect to have a few extra within a year or so. And if things were really that bad, I would load up and drive across town to my inlaws, the FIL is a rifle range instructor with a much nicer collection of rifles.
I know I definitely stick out. Mostly for being the youngest guy there.
Usually can tell once they open their mouth (if at a gun shop, sporting goods section of walmart, etc.). As far as on the street, or in a crowded public place, can’t really tell, but isn’t that the point??
I don’t own a piece of camouflage, which is camouflage out in public
This is Maryland. If i can spot a gun owner (and its not at the range or hunting) then its likely a criminal. And: in Maryland, outside your home, you have a duty to
be a victimretreat.if i owned a gun store i would not sell any toy colored guns, and i would buy them and strip the paint and refinish them to look like real guns.
I think it’s high time we stop confusing kids by making them think that guns with colors are toys. Stop pitting stupid orange tips on guns.
I wonder when criminals are ging to start painting orange on their guns to make the cops hesitate.
Just because something is stupid doesn’t mean it needs to be regulated. A concept which seems to elude our lawmakers.
Sooooooo. Unfortunately until I retire next year it is against the law for me to speak with contempt against the President, Vice President, Governors or Senators (oddly enough I can be contemptuous of Representitives), so I can’t write what I’m thinking.
Apparently the good Senator thinks a useful recruiting tool will be “join the military, defend the Constitution, give up your Constitutional rights for the rest of your life, because obviously your service has rendered you nucking futs.”
Out of one corner of their mouths our elected officials bemoan the high rate of unemployment among veterans. Out of the other corner they publicly state we’re all PTSD riddled extremists who are one cup of coffee away from shooting up the office. Gee, does that make the job search easier?
Incidentally, and this is anecdotal, based on the people and units I have served with, more than half of the folks I know with PTSD rarely if ever left the FOB and only did one tour.
In my neighborhood (in lovely Williamson County Texas, or as I call it, God’s Country) I won’t need to arm too many of my neighbors. A good three quarters already own guns, and a third are active or retired military or law enforcement.
Where’s the link for the Ruger LC380?
Hope she show knows that she set her self up for a massive number of liable suites by stereotyping Veterans. The Vietnam Veterans had to deal with decades of stereotypes and these troops coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan should not have to deal with that because of that woman.
Thanks! Already entered a few. Makes me angry this world revolves around facebook, I absoloutley refuse to go back to it. Still that case of 5.56 is sooo tempting
What bothers me is how they let her get the silicone sacks at such a young age.
As far as the missing guns – I wouldn’t be surprised at all if it was found that Rich was actually behind the “break in”. If you look up the word slimeball in the dictionary there’s a picture of Mr. Wyatt.
PTSD is what you get after you see DiFi in a homemade porno.
really PTSD is not just a vet thing and just because you have it doesent make you crazy but making statements like that makes you a idiot. please save are youth and dont open you mouth for the fear you might influance them. are education system is having a hard enough time as it is and dont need you dirupting it even more.
I cant help but imagine a piano and gosepel choir gently playing in the background.
I still remember the gay in Cedar Park Tx wearing a LaRue Tatical Shirt and I could clearly see his 1911 through his shirt, walking into Target.
It was one of those
“Should I tell him he’s printing?”
I know that it’s called a carrying handle and I understand your confusion, but could you not hold the weapon like that please. At least we know how to maintain positive control of a firearm.
This woman gets more batshit crazy with each and ever passing day. She has long surpassed her expiration date and needs to be euthanized.
Gun guys blend. Liberals pretending to be gun guys stick out like a sore thumb. Wearing a gun makes you a gun guy like a large belt buckle makes you a texan.
I do have concerns about brightly colored firearms being mistaken for toys. That doesn’t mean they should be regulated in any way, but those individuals who choose to own them need to make sure they’re extra vigilant about proper storage and making sure that a young child won’t find it and confuse it for a toy.
I saw this 50 ounce limit in the circulated gun control proposal by the governor of Connecticut. I wonder where they all get these ideas.
i fail to understand the legality of making you register an illegal firearm. Dont you have a right against self incrimination? so confusing.
That’s Chicago for ya. If the law applies to you, its because you’re poor.
I don’t really like it when vets get lumped into a special category over anyone else. We chose to serve. We signed up and we did what he had to do, like so many before us. To imply that the wars fought in this day and age were worse than the wars fought prior, under the premise of disarmament is absurd fallacy of thought at best, and diabolical sinister genius at worst. Either way, it is unacceptable rhetoric from public office, and should be looked at under great scrutiny.
PTSD is real. Any traumatic experience can cause it in some way shape or form. In some it is debilitating, and those who suffer from it badly DO need help. For most vets though, it’s just one of those things. Veterans aren’t crazy. Most vets are humble, good hardworking people, who take pride in this country and care about others. Veterans were the backbone of this country after WWII, because they were given the tools and the love needed to follow their hearts after getting back to society. These days they are coddled, told they can’t do X because of what they saw, they need help, they need entitlements, etc.. It’s a load of BS.
I can’t help but feel that the powers that be know something is coming, and is coming soon. Something dire. Something this country never imagined could happen. I don’t know what it is, but I do know that since 2008 hit, there has been a kind of insipid malaise in the air, that feels a lot like impending doom to me.
I hope I’m wrong.
how to you all like shooting that inexpensive 9mm ammo now? I’ll stick with my 45.
my father peter Hernandez has 100% ptsd 24th infantry . he owns a m1 grand same rifle he shot and fired in Korea , two purple heats and two bronze star with valor .
ssg pablo Hernandez, 3 tours , last tour 100 wia, 17 kia, i own rifles but none of your buisness fienstien of what kind , and yes i have 70 % of none of your buisness . we earned our right in this country we were not appointed .we swore to a oath to protect against enemy’s foreign and domestic.
is she really serious. they want to raise the age for a permit to 21, but you can go to war at 18. then when you get home, you may not own a weapon, because we have destroyed you and do not take care of you when you get home. sad, but for the most part true. Some do get help, some do have very bad ptsd. But she is way out of hand. she must of heard how our military is on the side of the constitution, the bill of rights and the American people!
I think there is a misconception about soldiers that performed their duties on the FOBs. I have multiple MOS’s some of which are combat arms. My only deployment saw me stuck on a FOB. I had boobie traps set for me at my work location on the perimeter fence. I was subject to rocket attacks, mortar attacks, and small arms fire. In only one instance was I in a position to protect myself. There is alot to be said for being able to return fire, in both a physiological and mental scence. You feel like you actually have some chance of defending your self. I also had additional task of searching wounded LN’s for IED’s before they were allowed on base. So, just try and look at how the soldiers on the bases had to face the enemy. Most of the soldiers I served with would have preferred being able to get off base, and not feeling like a stationary target.
PTSD Is new from the Iraq war? She owes me new shoes because I just stepped in her bullshit. PTSD has existed as long as War has. It was first recognized during WWI when the booming of French artillery shells echoed throughout underground German fortifications and cause some soldiers to develop anxiety, shakes, and other symptoms of PTSD. Of course, back then it was known as “shell shock.”
Sorry, but liking guns, shooting guns, carrying open and concealed guns, and writing about that experience, does not make one a “gun guy” or anything of the sort. It only means you like guns. Maybe, for all the wrong reasons? After reading The Atlantic article, I’ve got him down as a guy who likes guns. Why? He asks/talks about the emotional aspect as though that was the main reason why “gun guys” are gun guys. Now there’s a trick. Liberal metrosexuals telling us what they know about guns and gun guys. Well, that’s just funny. Of many things, funny it ain’t.
For people like me, and nearly everyone I know or shoot with, who grew up with guns, guns are merely tools for doing a particular job, in this case, self defense. Mr. Baum briefly mentions playing the sheepdog role, then asks us if he should run to the sound of the shooting. A true sheepdog already knows the answer to that question, before he decided to carry a firearm. Does Dan know the answer to that question? If you carry, I believe that your response should be an automatic, woof! Personal, or situational liabilities notwithstanding, are you willing to put yourself in harms way…for complete strangers? Would you, would Dan? Given my life experiences, I think I would. I’m sure there are people here who already know.
The whole Kerouacian road trip makes for an interesting premise, in a limited NYT Sunday Edition; On the Road with Charles Keralt sort of way, but is Dan the road map to a better understanding between liberals and conservatives on the topic of guns, “gun guys,” or the ass-ault weapons elected to Congress now attacking our gun rights? From the tone of The Atlantic article, the book has a lot off ground to cover before I can decide if Dan is really here to help. I have a big problem with his passive/aggressive routine when his cadre of liberal hipster’s s**t on gun owners.
I mean, who lets their friends s**t on them like that, and still chooses to associate with them? Anyone here…..anyone…anyone…?
The Atlantic interview strengthens my opinion that liberal’s lives are full of contradictions. I just don’t see the daily contradictions in non-liberals.
I just come here to read the articles, honest…………My, my, she do have a pretty gun…..
[Insert obligatory Joe Biden shotgun joke here….]
I’m fine with the law being repealed and Cuomo going to jail for treason.
Skip the jail. I’m sure there are plenty of handy walls in NY.
looking at difi gives me PTSD. people like her working for this country makes me
wont to move to another country. the way some of elected demos think is BS.
Show we can kill this in court. pump action shotguns and I still think AR-15s dont make a dangerous and unusual clause in Heller so NY AWB may be struck down as unconstitutional.
Actually, yes, I am looking at a 5-round Garand clip right now.
I got mine from Brownells. I’m sure the other similar companies carry them. The thing is, I bet most people will have no clue what an en bloc clip is.
im surprised no one has gone lee harvey on her ass yet, alot of real crazies out there
its how it begins…”common sense” regulations so ‘bad people’ dont get guns. then the govt starts deciding who is and is not bad. first limit the type of weapon. then regulate who can get. and wahhhhlahhh the 2nd is no more and its greeted with thunderous applause by the people who have just given themselves over to slavery for ‘safety’. and the so called patriots who would fight politicians who said they wanted to cancel the 2nd outright, now are rendered servants who dont want to be rude and still want to be law abiding. “well vote them out later or reverse the law later because we are better than them and dont need to resort to breaking the law or violence” later never comes need proof, i got 6 million from germany for starters…
Guns that look like toys are a bad idea around small people whose brains are works in progress. Humans are visually cued, and like it or not, we have conventions in our society for what a toy looks like. It’s the same reason we don’t package insecticides or rat poison in ways which could be confused with tasty treats.
Similarly, there is danger in giving kids toys which are not visually distinguishable from real firearms. I have concerns that one of the very realistic looking airsoft rifles in my house could be mistaken for the real thing and get one of my kids shot. I don’t go so far as to require my kids to only have clear or fluorescent colored pellet guns, but I sure do understand why people buy them.
The term PTSD started after the Vietnam war, not Iraq. Before Vietnam, it was termed Shell Shock and not as widely addressed as it is today. PTSD is very manageable, but when bafoons like Feinstein are definite triggers for it.
Is this woman the most stupid politician alive!!?? PTSD has been documented as far back as the Civil War! How dare she say it started with the Iraq War! This woman is disgusting and appalling and shame on any of you that voted for her!
Gee, I wonder where the model for Colorado’s legislation came from? RMGO’s been saying for weeks that Bloomberg is funding the coup in CO.
Sounds like a great place for a multi-million dollar law suit. Any PTSD suffering JAG Officers out there up for the challenge?
Come on, you guys! you’re just a bunch of OFWG lusting after the pretty teenager hiding behind being offended prudes. At least be honest. I thought she was very sexy even though I’ll be 70 my next birthday, I still like to look and appreciate beauty. Eye candy is eye candy.
Face it guys and gals, we are expendable! Send them to do our dirty work, to protect our nation, our Constitution and our way of life. And if they don’t die in combat, we’ll just take their rights away when they get home. Never give up your fire-arms because you empower idiots like her and we already know she is crazy and capable of some pretty stupid and evil stuff! God bless America in spite of the idiots leading HER! Post Script; I am a two time war Veteran and am proud to have fought for HER!
PTSD was noted and called Soldier’s Heart during the Civil War. This woman is utterly clueless.
If I get a real gun that looks like a bright orange blaster, do you think I could open carry it in Los Angeles without scaring the soccer moms?
Good stuff Nick, thanks, Randy
So when is she going to introduce legislation to place all her political opponents in re-education camps? The progressive/socialist path cannot be infringed.
She’s not saying that veterans all have PTSD, shes saying that if the amendment is to be passed, there needs to be a way to CHECK for PTSD. Please read the quote and try to understand it. No where does she say that Veterans all have PTSD. THIS article, quoting her, is saying that.
She wants to prevent incidents like this: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2005/01/mode-j15.html
She never says all veterans have PTSD.
Ptsd has been around as long as conflict, just under other names such as shell shock. And I do not recall when I was honorably discharged in 2010 after serving 12 years, saying I would no longer be under oath “to defend the constitution of the United States of America from ALL enemies foreign or domestic”. The very document that is under attack by our own government. By targeting veterans they are attacking “us” the sworn defenders of the rights of this country as a whole. We need to stand up and vote for removal of liberals that dont care who has fought for their country, paid the price (physicaly, or mentally), and will not hide when faced with a difficult task. Remove them and employ veterans ” true defenders and patriots” to run this country and continue to defend.
Here are some more gems from Baum:
Sarah Brady has Second Amendment rights too: the right to have the militia –– the community of armed citizens –– well regulated. Why is she –– and the rest of the country that wants tighter restrictions on guns –– not making a Second Amendment case?
There may be some dark “real” reason that I like guns lurking under there –– something about my pen1s, perhaps, or a latent desire to dominate others by force.
Had to use pen1s to defeat the filter.
To paraphras the Supreme Court decision,
“I don’t think the word regulate means what she thinks it means…”
Need I point out that for all these liberals the answer to every problem seems to be more government “regulation”? Not exactly what the purpose of the 2A was intended to be.
Rustoleum has lots of colors.
Definitely fake, but interesting idea. Probably would be implementable with a much smaller lighter weapon and it would not be anywhere near as accurate or reliable. Definitely wouldn’t want it flying near me lol. But I could see the current level of consumer quadcopters advancing to getting nearer to this and being able to carry higher payloads in a few years.
Will you also pursue charges against Cuomo for his drastic overreach of power, failure to uphold his oath, etc?
This is all part of the Holder Doctrine to “really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way”.
I see no reason to use my Second Amendment rights to defend the First Amendment if the result is MSNBC.
Agree, but also add the Communist News Network to that list.
I wish she would have been taught like the “rest of the military” the check and clear the weapons before picking them up…… Because that one is NOT ON SAFE. Perfect example of a politician getting into the working mans TOOLS.
Fights your wars on paper, while the REAL Americans use these “Death TOOLS” to ensure your FREEDOM and make sure your sleeping safe at night.
Who, or more importantly how, will this bull shit be enforced? As a full time peace officer (county sheriff), my Department doesn’t have the money to issue me a cell phone. What standing will that agency have to issue a warrant, if no one has been in my home. Where will they find the “individuals” who will accept those duties anyhow? Oath and affirmation will always, hopefully be the cornerstone of our warrant process. You run the risk of losing your guns if you live a disordered life, and law enforcement has reason/cause to enter your home under exigent circumstance. Stay temperate my friends.
Can we send Piers Morgan, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, well actually everyone from MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN down to Chihuahua to report?
Now that I’m within a month or two of having a suppressor in my hands, I think I need to add a Nagant revolver to the collection also. Get it threaded for the suppressor :-)… but… my timing sucks and they seem to be out of stock at all of the places that used to have them for around a hundred bucks…
Anyone have good leads on one?
It wasn’t the cop’s fault that the gun just went off. A mean one will do that.
SRO’s, and no disrespect intended, usually seem to be the officers who are either at the business end of retiring or a beat cop who is too worn out to run patrols or walk the streets, etc. Like I said no disrespect intended but that seems to be the case in a lot of the schools I have seen.
Most of the LEO’s in our area are good guys and do their jobs fairly well. But hiring officers to replace the SRO’s is costly. The average LEO here makes between $30-$40,000 a year. When you pull an officer off of street duty/patrol then you have to, or should, replace them thus doubling the cost of the Dept’s budget.
The cost of training, a weapon and ammo for a year for a volunteer SRO(former military, retired police, etc) would average between $1500 – $2000 per person for the first year and around $1200 per person per year after the first year. LEO’s: $30,000 + per year every year not counting raises, vacation, benefits etc.
Train the volunteers by putting them through the Reserve Officers training requirements and when they Successfully graduate swear them in as Reserve Officers with jurisdiction only in the Schools during school hours or at school events unless called into duty by the sheriff during an actual emergency!!
The Joyce Foundation paid for it, so we know the “results” of the “study” before it’s published.
The Joyce Foundation is the mushroom of American politics. It grows in the dark on piles of dung, and it’s poisonous.
I believe in the restoration of our 2nd Amendment, I was convicted of a possession charge of less than .25 of a gram 17 years ago. Texas Penal Code 46.04 states I can possess a gun in my home. Im a married law abiding citizen that hasn’t even had a traffic violation since 2005. I have a group of guys from my Sunday school class at church that like to goto the shooting range. One who is a good friend that is active military! Federal law prohibits me to do so. All my rights with the exception of serving on a jury and my 2nd were automatically restored when I served my time. I can vote, I passed a background check when I went to work for the Cable Company. But I can’t goto the shooting range with my church buddies, or go hunting with my wife, who by the way is getting her CCW this summer. So to say “once a felon always a felon” like some on here are stereotypes with discrimination issues!
You can always spot those who are not former military. Just watch how they handle the weapon and fire it.
When “they” went to Canada I reported. Best training money can buy. Never handled a weapon till they called number. Been a gun guy ever since.
For the younger crowd the “they” are those who dodged the draft and the deserters who went to Canada. The ones Jimmy Carter gave unconditional pardons to on Jan 21, 1977 on his first day in office.
sell the news bro. It’s like clockwork. It just happens.
anyway, 26% of the floated shares are sold short, i’d bet a paycheck that Wedbush is in on some of that.
A company with a 36% gross margin, low PE ratio, 300% growth in earnings, 1 year backlog, and the hottest commodity on the market? Wedbush gives them a ‘neutral’ rating and negative outlook? Which side of the trade are they on?
Don’t hate the player, just play the game.
To use Becks favorite phrase “it makes blood shoot from my eyes ! ” Keynote speaker Beckster for the 3rd time is nuts.
How about :
Allan West
Susana Martinez
Bobby Jindal
Michelle Malkin
Michael Bane
Ted Nugent (yeah I said the Nuge)
Doug Giles
Joe Pags
Ben Shapiro
etc. etc. etc.
Glenn Beck is the last person I’d want as a gun rights spokesperson. He’s crazy as a loon! Let’s do better NRA. Get Robert Farago as a speaker. At least nobody thinks he’s nuts (yet) and he appreciates beautiful women.
Glad I only signed up for that single year NRA membership. Can’t imagine throwing money their way again. Who is the public relations representative for the NRA anyway?
It is very easy to spot the commenters on here that have never heard or actually seen anything Glen Beck has done. They are the ones spewing the senseless, uninformed, vitriolic hatred. It is this same brain-dead mentality that is largely responsible for the condition of this country. People too lazy to actually put the time in, listen and form their own opinions are swayed by the politically correct liberal media they claim to abhor, thereby playing directly into the hands of those who would love to do away with America as it was formed. This is a slam dunk win for the progressives. I have come to the conclusion that all who are not willing to put the time in, seeking the truth truly deserve the Amerika we are rapidly becoming. Congrats. At least you can bask in the self righteous, warm fuzzy feeling you get for believing the liberal lies and agreeing with them. Ignorance is winning.
I love my Nagant revolver. I’ve heard that that PPU is on par with weak loaded .32 auto but I don’t know for sure. Aimsurplus.com has a lot of the Russian army loads, 14 to a pack @ $4.75 its steel jacketed and Berdan primed though. I need to get another couple of boxes.
Another side note is that the Nagant m1895 is one of the very few revolvers that can be silenced. There is also a lot of information online about different ways to reload similarly to the original 7.62x38R.
One more thought to add to my prior post. Remington does not get to make the decisions.
They are owned by Freedom group. So guess what? They are stuck. So all of your talk of “boycotting” Remington, ends up, in the final analysis, hurting everyday honest hardworking, pro gun families .
Good Work!!! I am so proud of all the holier than thou pri$ks on this site. Sleep well.
Now he’s saying this from his facebook, effin’ liar ” Looks like the judiciary committee will vote on background checks next week. I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a 45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don’t have possession yet but I’ll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do. Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet. We really need to close the gun show and private seller loop hole.” lol way to back peddle.
closet full of lake city 5.56mm m855 (green tip)
cabinet full of federal 9mm 147gr hydra-shok and another case of 147gr jrn pills for reloads
a few more kegs of leverevolution powder and cases of .30cal hornady pills for my 1894
a few more spam cans of cyrillic 7.62x54R
“you can’t have enough ammo.. or training, and there is always too much darkness.”
or “.. because a mosin nagant is a mediocre spear at best”
This guy showed class, resolve and the epitome of the American spirit.
1. You missed the point of the vid.
2. “Correct shot placement” is a myth. Looks great on the range, and even better in gun magazine, but when someone is trying to kill you, they are moving, you are moving and you are under the extreme stress of a life-threatening attack, you will be lucky to hit the body, never mind make a hit with “correct shot placement.” Go to the range and try a shooting a moving target, from a concealed draw when you are moving. Then do it under a million times the stress level. Then we will talk.
3. Sound and fireball counts for squat when defending your life. The larger the fireball the more energy is wasted. I won’t depend on “sheer surprise” to save my life.
4. When you are under attack, you won’t have time for a proper aim and an even squeeze of the trigger. Your hit ratio at 25 yards when someone is trying to kill you, they are moving, you are moving and you are under the extreme stress of a life-threatening attack will be close to zero. BIG difference between shooting and gun fighting.
A Kahr 9mm or similar is nearly the same size and offer a far better ammo choice.
What will it take? Maybe an entire family being massacred in a raid by the ATF.
My little non-guaranteed predictions:
Note: I’m not advocating for civil war. If one were to break out, I’ll most likely mind my own damn business and sit on a beach with a glass filled with an alcoholic beverage. and wait and see how things pan out. I’m just stating the situation right now as I see it.
We’re now in March, 2013. By mid-late 2015, if elections at the state level don’t go the other way, and if all of those new politicians roll back most/all of these asinine laws, we’re going to see the beginnings of all-out civil war in this nation.
There were approximately 300,000 casualties on both sides during the last civil war, which lasted 4 years. There are going to be casualties in the millions if it breaks out again, it will last for more than 4 years, and it’ll be 1000X more vicious than the last time.
ie: We killed 1/3rd of of a million people with muzzle-loaded muskets/rifles. How many more do you think will be killed by semi-automatic AR-15s?
If I were to put it into another term, I’d say were in the equivalent of the late 1850s or so. Everyone knows there are two different sections that are separating, and sooner or later something is bound to give.
I made a bet with a family member that the next civil war would be over abortion. Give it a few more years, and I’m afraid that I’ll have to pay up if things don’t change…
I don’t want to see another civil war, not at all. I have this thing about about Death, it’s not me (Shameless Spaceballs quote…).
But the federal, and the state governments seem intent on treading upon the rattle snakes…
There are enough people out there with the guns, ammo, and the training to start taking well-aimed shots at various government agents. After 10 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan there are a LOT of guys who have experience in combat, who love their guns, and who take “from my cold dead hands” literally.
Just go ahead and Google “director [X]” and insert “FBI” “ATF” “CIA” “NSA” etc. etc. and you’ll find out the names of those respective people.
http://www.atf.gov/about/executive-staff/
And that’s just one example.
If I, by no means a computer expert, can find out the name of a director of the ATF, someone else out there with more computer skills than I can surely find out the address of the same guy, and publish that data, for all the world to see. If not just that guy, but the names and addresses of agents in the field as well, not to mention state politicians…
I predict we’re going to see a lot of federal agents, as well as state senators and state representatives ending up shot and killed if we don’t change course soon.
Considering the state of journalism, I can’t take this at face value. They are either lying, severely misrepresented, or fictional. To find that many gross outliers would take more effort looking that would be worth.
Dave is a good guy and runs a good shop. His staff are friendly and helpful. They had a part-time employee who had previously been convicted of financial crimes against the U.S.Govt. who stole approx. 34 guns. Had he been appropriately prosecuted by the U.S.Govt. for the >$130,000K that he stole in a complex fraud, he would have been a prohibited person, convicted felon, and non eligible to work in a gunstore or buy any guns. Instead he was given probation which kept him eligible.
Hopefully this store will reopen with a new licensee and will continue their level of service. Unfortunately I think they are being held to an unreasonably high standard of behavior when there was criminal activity by some well-practiced thieves. The ATF has committed worse sins in my judgment, namely Waco and Fast&Furious. Good luck Dave, you keep 2A alive for those of us in Northern CT.
The nays appear to have it, the nays have it, session adjourned.