http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=canWdPwubA4
The usual news sources are reporting that Christopher Dorner had access to 10 silencers and “sniper rifles” among the weapons that have been recovered from the charred wreckage of the cabin in which he died earlier this week. The weapons weren’t displayed during the sheriff’s news conference, they simply had an array of weapons that were “similar” to those they say he had. Nevertheless, the media is bound to fixate on the silencers as proof that Dorner was evil, since, ipso facto, anyone with common sense knows silencers are only used by assassins and secret agents. And thus have no lawful purpose (/sarc). However, here’s one detail they won’t tell you: possession of a silencer in California is already illegal . . .
From the 2008 “Dangerous Weapons Control Law“:
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
12500. The term “silencer” as used in this chapter means any device or attachment of any kind designed, used, or intended for use in silencing, diminishing, or muffling the report of a firearm. The term “silencer” also includes any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling a silencer or fabricating a silencer and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.
12501. Section 12520 shall not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(a) The sale to, purchase by, or possession of silencers by agencies listed in Section 830.1, or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties.
(b) The possession of silencers by regular, salaried, full-time peace officers who are employed by an agency listed in Section 830.1, or by the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States when on duty and when the use of silencers is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(c) The manufacture, possession, transportation, or sale or other transfer of silencers to an entity described in subdivision (a) by dealers or manufacturers registered under Chapter 53 (commencing with Section 5801) of Title 26 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
ARTICLE 2. UNLAWFUL POSSESSION OF FIREARM SILENCERS12520. Any person, firm, or corporation who within this state possesses a silencer is guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison or by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000) or by both.
In other words, it’s perfectly legal for the police to have silencers, but average citizens are not permitted to protect their hearing.
When Dorner was a police officer, it was hunky dory for him to own such items. Well, when I say “own” I mean use in the course of his daily duties. He wasn’t supposed to take them home, according to California law. But the second he was fired, he lost his state-granted superpowers. He was once again a mere mortal, with all the attendant restrictions and limitations. And that made his ownership of those suppressors illegal.
Silencers are regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1935 and are subject to a $200 tax and ATF approval before they can be handed off to civilians. Their ownership is recorded in the ATF’s registry, and ATF officials can ask to inspect them any time they damned well feel like it. Click here for the full “Ask Foghorn” silencer treatment, but, in short, there are tons of hoops to jump through before you can get your grubby little civilian hands on a can and it’s not an easy process. And I sincerely doubt Dorner complied with any of those laws.
The best information we have is that Dorner bought the silencers using a trust — a legal entity that acts as owner of the items. But since corporations don’t have fingerprints or criminal histories, the background check usually accompanied by an NFA application was skipped. In addition, the trust would have to be registered in a state other than California and Dorner would have had to import the items into the state illegally.
And who wants to take bets on how long it will take California Democrats to start brewing up a “sniper rifle” ban bill? Yeah, leaving hunters alone my ass . . .
Just how many spelling and grammar errors are one allotted
before a “constructive and intelligent” response is negated?
I smell high school drop out; that or Ivy league. Maybe he’s using
free form grammar to show how us how highly educated he
really is. I tremble before his overpowering IQ.
The FUD-type hunters have it coming, frankly. As I’ve said before, if you let all the AR folks get kicked out of the game, there’ll be a lot fewer members of the NRA, SAF et al whey they come for your Rem 700 sniper rifles.
And her qualifications for denying all other Americans their rights would be……what?
Yeah, and Chicago was displaying a sample of the weapons they’d seized, too. Except that was also just a “similar sample.”
I’m not saying he didn’t have guns. I’m saying that laying a bunch of “similar” weapons out is showmanship. If the weapons burned in the fire, give us a list. If you think it will be transcribed in error, hand out a printed list. A table full of guns that aren’t the real thing is just a table full of guns.
Just added the whole state to a list of places I will never visit or do business with.
I wonder which YouTube account was hosting that video.
Funny how they get all this negative attention (as ALL anti-gun YT channels do) and suddenly it disappears.
Everyone should be doing this! If civies can’t have it, nobody else can- no exceptions!
If anyone in the city supports the gangs (how would they be in biz otherwise) Then they are culpable in the young ladies’ death.
Until the City take on the gangs w/o mercy or quarter, these things will happen.
I think locking them up for consecutive terms for spitting on the sidewalk would be a good start if the PD cannot think of something else.
Note to LAPD and MSM,:
Sirs and Madams,
You are no longer considered sources of factual information. That is all.
This has been a PSA on behalf of The General Public
“… in short, there are tons of hoops to jump through before you can get your grubby little civilian hands on a can and it’s not an easy process.”
I have no idea who you buy your silencers though but there sure isn’t “tons of hoops to jump through” and it is an easy process where I have bought mine and I have purchased three from two different dealers.
One simply fills out the boilerplate trust one time and reuses the same trust for further purchases. Then one fills out the paperwork for the silencer which is really little different than that for buying a gun; actually easier in both places I purchased since they had already checked all the correct boxes.
I can think of all sorts of things that require more hoops and are a lot more difficult like buying a car or refinancing a house. The most difficult part of buying a silencer is the wait for the stamp. Of course my house refinance is approaching that wait time now.
If someone wants a silencer just buy and don’t be put off by all the supposed red tape people are always talking about. It doesn’t exist. The paperwork is nothing and any dealer that sells the things can walk you through it. Don’t be discouraged by these rumors. Silencers are not only fun, they save your hearing and reduce recoil. They are worth checking a few boxes and signing your name. And no, you are not photographed or fingerprinted if you use a trust.
I’m only halfway through the second paragraph, and… wow.
Having reviewed the legislation and given the time constraints, it is our conclustion that there is no possible way any normal person could have read the entire bill and understood its implications prior to voting on it. They most certainly could not have requested and received the input of their constituency and considered their opinions in the matter — which is the most basic tenet of representative government.
I’m still reading, and fervently hoping they don’t cut the legs out from under the chair I’m cheering from by the end of this letter.
Read it and weep?
I read it and am encouraged. What’s not to like about the stance of the benevolent association of deputy sheriffs? Sounds like Herr Generalissimo Cuomo may be facing incipient mutiny in the ranks of what he thought were his loyal & obedient minions of armed force.
I’m really impressed.
Instead of offering a check-and-balance against the Executive Branch, the Senate Leadership condoned and authorized what may fairly be described as ruling by fiat.
Strong words, and the last line is the kicker:
… stop holding law-abiding citizens … hostage [for] … the political aspirations of the Governor.
Buy that man a beer when he is done with his shift!
I live in the same county, and believe me this is the exact sentiment of every gunowner I’ve spoken to. Our Senator (Marchione) voted against as well and spoke out passionately against the SAFE Act on the NYS legislature floor when the rest of that viper nest was voting to kill our 2A rights. Good to know that the sheriffs are on our side as well.
We may be outnumbered but make no mistake; patriots still reside in blue NY and it makes me proud that my district fought back. Part of me wants to give up and go across the border to VT or down south but knowing this act will face court challenges makes me feel like I should stick it out. This state has been my home, for better or worse.
As if we needed to be told that we’re dealing with dishonest and dishonorable people in the anti camp. Still, it’s heartening to see the PBA take our side. A lot of candidates actively seek endorsements from the PBA’s. Guess who’s going to have trouble getting an endorsement during the next election cycle.
My BS meter pegged on this one.
Why?
“they simply had an array of weapons that were “similar” to those they say he had”
The fact the cabin wasn’t his so wouldn”t be a place he would have the remainder of any arsenal he possessed is another clue.
Way to go CTD! According to the print above CTD claims that it has always been their policy not to sell civilian prohibited items to government. That is encouraging and would be a high-risk gamble (and easy to disprove) to make such a statement if not true.
The writer of the ramble above is paranoid about guns and expressing emotional immaturity. Poor little thing.
A copy-pastable version:
http://pastebin.com/BTqXtTb2
Can you imagine if they told us how they really feel?
Real smart democrats do it again. Let it be know that the schools are gun free zones. The nuts will thank you for open house.
Well, how about it Colt, Sig, Ruger? You guys gonna have the balls to step up to the plate too?
Thanks for actually listening to your readers. It’s refreshing and I will continue to frequent your site and those of your unobtrusive advertisers in the sidebar.
Circumcision squad.
They’re selling PMags for $100.00 each. They are dead to me.