“First, let me apologize for the poor quality,” Delaware State Representative Jeffery Spiegelman writes. “This bill (137) was circulated today for cosponsors and I only had a couple of seconds to take a picture of it with my cell phone. In other words, it is not even online for public viewing yet. Here are my initial thoughts . . .
-How do you enforce this if 3d printers are legal, the computer file needed for the 3d printer is legal, and neither are traceable?
-Why does the bill mention parts that are not part of the legal definition of a firearm (in other words, by the letter of this law, after the mentioned parts are removed, the gun could still retain metal sights or other parts and be legal or illegal? If the whole firearm is plastic for a metallic serial number plate, is that illegal?)
-Is the plastic magazine and similar parts illegal or only illegal when attached to a legally defined firearm?
-Is there an official hand held metal detector setting? Commercial metal detectors can detect the iron content of a person’s blood.
-What is undetectable ammunition?
-What is an undetectable magazine?
-Will existing firearms/parts be grandfathered? How would it be known if they are pre or post ban if printed firearms and parts are not dated?
What do you think?
More cranial flatulence from a bunch of preening peacocks in the legislature who wouldn’t know a 3D printer if it fell on them.
Hell most wouldn’t know the US or State constitution if it fell on them.
Or a gun!
Of course they know what it is! It’s scary and it makes guns! What more do you need to know
Gun control only works if people don’t know you can make firearms yourself. Length of pipe, screw, rubber band, and a shotgun shell.
Give a little boom in the right direction, and you have a slightly-owned “assault rifle.” I bet it hasn’t even been shot except to qualify!
“Give a little boom in the right direction …”
That will never happen because the person who makes that improvised shotgun will be sure to make it the full “legal” length … which makes it impossible to conceal and sneak up on someone. /end_sarcasm
Call for a recall/vote of no confidence of ANYONE who signs this.
Firsst to note mispellinng ov Delaware in titel of pohst.
Fine example from so called leadership position, knowing nothing about the subject, working on paper, to justify their existence, to collect their coin. When does this nonsense ever end…
Aren’t there quite a lot of plastic magazines in common use already?
Yes… but magazines are dangerous?! Right? They hold ammo… what if they are untraceable? OMG!
Its ok, once the clip has been fired thats it, there’s no more.
This is what you get when you have politicians writing laws about things they know nothing about and refuse to learn about. It is just like the latest law proposed in New Jersey that bans a list of guns in which many are no longer made, obsolete or already banned under NJ law and the 34 NFA.
Politicians work under two assumptions…
1. They must “do something”.
2. It is for “the children”.
The list is just a copy and paste of the currently banned in nj firearms. They just modified it to change 15 rounds to 10 and maybe some other stuff I missed since I only skimmed it.
You know… if they *must* do something for the children, why don’t they go back to kissing babies?
Of course, no telling what disease they might spread…
What is this I don’t even
There appears to be a “printed” gun on the state flag of Delaware.
They better take care of that.
I know! “Liberty and Independence” right on the flag with a guy holding a gun next to a farmer. What a laugh.
Why stop there? Delaware should change their flag too – a big flag with the words progress and a cute logo. Why do they keep all this old stuff around – right?
Philadelphia passed a 3d-printed gun ban bill in secret back in December, violating Pennsylvania state preemption.
The state law preemption only works if there’s a law about it at the state level. There is not.
Just like Philly bans open carry inside its city limits–they can do it because PA does not have a law codifying open carry as legal. It’s only legal for them to do that because there’s no law saying you can’t.
Now if there were a law stating that these things were legal, then Philly couldn’t get away with it.
“The state law preemption only works if there’s a law about it at the state level. There is not.”
Actually it’s the other way around. A PA municipality can only criminalize something if it’s already criminalized by state law. 18 Pa.C.S. § 6120: “No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth.”
“Just like Philly bans open carry inside its city limits–they can do it because PA does not have a law codifying open carry as legal. It’s only legal for them to do that because there’s no law saying you can’t.”
Again, incorrect. Philly does not ban open carry, and legally they can not do so. Open carry in Philly does require holding a license to carry firearms (or being exempt under 18 Pa.C.S. §6106), but only because a state law (18 Pa.C.S. §6108) says so.
“Now if there were a law stating that these things were legal, then Philly couldn’t get away with it.”
No, that’s simply not how § 6120 works.
By the way Delaware is spelled wrong in the title, fyi
More plastic gun fear. No logic or reason about it.
Plastic gun?? instant arrest! Class G Felony! We need more felons!
Funny how ammunition is on the list. Good luck making metal free ammo. But whatever. Your ignorant legislators at work.
Wasting time and the publics resources over something that’s not even remotely a valid concern right now, or in the foreseeable future. Way to go, I’m certain this didn’t detract from any real issues that require your attention.
It’s the same flawed thinking that led to hysteria over the Glock when it first arrived on the scene. The critics cried out “it’s a plastic gun!… crooks will be able to get them past security at airports!!” But the last time I checked plastic items still show up on an xray.
True, but the definition of “undetectable” as it is used in the proposed legislation specifically says it refers only to metal detectors and magnetometers. It does not mention X-ray or other detection methods, because, as we know, those don’t count because reasons.
“Politicians work under two assumptions…1. They must “do something”.2. It is for “the children”.”
I would’nt give them that much credit. They take direction from lobbyist and citizens. I believe groups get a few doesn’t matter wins under their belts. Little to no resistance, then utopia ideas flow and assume “reasonable gun law” legislation will prevail. When reality sets in…Confederate lobbyist, politicians and moms wailing quickly realize when 2A is on the line, they’re overwhelmed with a Union of logic and facts. There position is untenable.
Tell me one ban that had turned out to work? Alcohol, Drugs, Abortion, Cell Phone while driving, others?
The ban on thinking is working pretty well, but that’s because they don’t call it a ban. They call it “public education.”
“Public Education”….. now that there is funny, sadly true, but still funny. I give you a true 2 thumbs up!!!
Why don’t they feel any shame in being so confident about things they obviously know nothing about?
They know jack about technology topics and they know jack about gun topics. And nobody seems to mind that an elected representative is affecting the lives of everyone while drooling and droning “duh” over and over.
This bill still wouldn’t accomplish what they’re hoping, since it only says after removal of magazine, stocks, and grips. That still leaves the barrel. Or are they only talking the serialized part, in which case a lot of polymer handguns just fell under this test.
“Guns 3D printed with black material are classified as assault weapons”
Thank you, Representative Spiegelman, for making us aware of this asinine bill.
This legislation will make us safe for all time, from the deadly Unicorn menace plaguing our communities!
Black unicorns are henseforth to be known as “assault unicorns” Possession of an assault unicorn with a horn longer than 4″ is prohibited. Assault unicorns must have one leg disabbled, one eye blinded, and one ear removed, or the owner is a felon and can be stoned to death with recycled plastic butter tubs.
Pass it, who cares? Changes nothing.
1. No such thing as a polymer receiver (Polymer receivers exist, but they have no legal definition until you put all the METAL fiddly bits in them)
2. Polymer magazines exist, but most have (or should have otherwise they’re garbage) Metal feed lips and a metal spring.
3. Non-metal ammo… lol
Also, after removing the grips, stocks, and magazine, there will always be some form of metal somewhere, like, i don’t know… the barrel?
This law might cover a lot besides printed stuff, for instance: Pmags. More unintended consequences by laws written by (D)umbasses.
BRAVO, Delaware State Representative Jeffery Spiegelman! You are in fact a sentient being.
This reminds me of the woman….in Colorado I think, state rep? ugh i can’t remember, who literally thought that a magazine came loaded with bullets and could only be used once. How can one legislate something one does not understand?
Comrade, you are under arrest! We have not detected a magazine and some ammunition on your person. This is a violation of the undetectable magazine and ammunition ban.