Constitution State Republicans are jockeying for position ahead of Connecticut’s gubernatorial election. As tens of thousands of previously law-abiding – now felonious – gun owners are up in arms, gun control is something of a headline issue. At a debate on Sunday (covered by our friends at courant.com), State Senate Republican Leader John McKinney defended his 2013 decision to support a package of civilian disarmament laws that included a ban on the sale of standard capacity ammunition magazines and modern sporting rifle sales, and mandatory registration of same for current owners (a.k.a., An Act Concerning Gun Violence Prevention and Children’s Safety) . . .
“It was my obligation to represent that town and I don’t regret what happened,” said McKinney [using a rather unfortunate turn of phrase]. Defending his leadership in passing the bill, McKinney said that the question was not whether Democrats and Gov. Malloy passed a gun control bill, but instead, “what bill they were going to pass.”
“That’s a fact. They had the votes,” said McKinney, who pointed to compromises in the bill. “They wanted to confiscate guns and magazines – they didn’t get that.”
Oh really? So registration isn’t a precursor to confiscation? Equally, that’s what passes for Republican support for gun rights in Connecticut? Allow some infringement on residents’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep arms to prevent its total obliteration? Pass. Next?
[State Senator Toni] Boucher agreed with McKinney about the gun control bill and said Democrats “wanted to go much further than this bill.”
[Danbury Mayor Mark] Boughton signaled that he would not have signed the bill, saying the legislature spent too much time focusing on firearms regulations and in doing so ignored a “mental health crisis.” The mental health changes and the funding for schools security reforms were nowhere close to enough, he said. But Boughton stopped short of explicit criticism to the changes made to the state’s gun laws, which included tightening a ban on assault weapons and limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.
[Former congressional candidate Joe] Visconti was quick to criticize the new law and said he has “carried a gun for 30 years…I never would have signed the law.” He said if he had been at Sandy Hook Elementary School, “the outcome would have been much different.”
Later in the debate he said he would not give more money to the state police until they stopped “confiscating guns.”
While I’m glad Joe would have defended Sandy Hook Elementary students with his life, I don’t think a threat to defund the cops SWATting Connecticut gun owners is going to do much to protect them from confiscation.
Hang on. The confiscation hasn’t happened yet. Visconti is talking as if it has. As if it’s inevitable. With Republicans scurrying for cover on gun rights, again, still, perhaps it is. Oh dear.
That sounds frighteningly like Massachusetts, where even the Republicans are Democrats.
Sounds like half the states in the country, where even the Republicans are Democrats. Two sides of the same coin.
Know your history, prior to the Civil War the Republicans back then are now the Democrats and vice versa. What a few have been saying, and those who are biased do not believe, is that there is now no major difference between Republicans and Democrats.
The early republicans were a rebranding of the whig party. Their platform was centralization of power in DC, protectionism for New England industry, centralized banking with a fiat currency, and general crony capitalism (and the extermination, or deportation, of non-whites). Their first president was a former railroad lobbyist, who thought blacks should remain in bondage until they could all be shipped to Africa, who had to telegraph Manhattan before he could form an opinion.
The republican party of today is pretty much the same. The voting base might think it’s the party of small government and personal responsibility, but, with a few exceptions, nobody who makes a run at a major office has that outlook.
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McKinney is no better than the current governor. Saying I got a compromise on a horrid law isn’t really doing much. It is also a level of acceptance to the inevitable.
He would have been better off washing his hands of the whole thing and letting the draconian and even more unpalatable and equally unconstitutional law pass. I fail to see where voting in favor of an unconstitutional law just because you think your constituents are in favor of it, or more likely because if you don’t they will not vote for you next time, makes you a reasonable candidate for even higher office.
Your oath of office is to support the Constitution, not the unreasoned fears of your constituents in defiance of that document. That’s why the Founders created a representative republic instead of a pure democracy.
“Thanks to me, there’s only an ounce of shit in your hamburger instead of 5 ounces!”
Most of the Northeastern US (and the West Coast as well) is a lost cause.
When people repeat this line, I get it. I really do. Being from NYC, I realize how a fight in these oppressive areas seem like a lost cause. A generation or two of people that have been spoon-fed the “you don’t need a gun” and “call the cops” line of thinking is a hard thing to overcome. That being said, do you think the Progs in these states think that places like Arizona, Oklahoma, Idaho, Wyoming, et al are “lost causes”? No, they have the mindset of “those states are ripe for the taking” and they continue to push their agenda in those states. They have modest goals at first. Local level campaigns to establish a beachhead and then state level goals. They never write a state off as a lost cause because they know reinforcements are coming from all the places they’ve already screwed up. While it might be an uphill battle, you fight on. Occasionally you get to punch the statists in the jaw with a court case like in Illinois (and maybe California with the recent may issue ruling). They kick and scream and try to pass new laws in response, but in the interim, the remaining pro-gun rights people behind enemy lines are afforded the opportunity to try and change attitudes at a local level. The process is slow and not always successful, but to write any place off (even SF or NYC) is a mistake that the other side doesn’t make.
I would have to unfortunately agree with you. Progressives and the Democrats view places like Georgia, Texas, and the other southern red states as a bastion of things to come. They plan on trying to turn those states blue. Give them enough voters **cough! cough! amnesty! cough**, and they will.
But this is where the GOP fails in tactics. The average immigrant crossing the southern boarder is very socially/religiously conservative. They are family orientated and most are distrustful of authority (police/government/etc). There are very large issues that are under the DNC tent that they strongly disagree with or just don’t care about. There are very large issues under the RNC tent that they do agree with and do care about. One of my best friends is from Venezuela (here legally). He is essentially all the things I described above, but was terrified of GOP tactics in Arizona (specifically SB1070). I, like you, am not for amnesty. Amnesty is a failed policy tried in the 80’s that didn’t work and won’t work if tried again (but like you said, if done it would benefit the DNC). I am for finding an immigration policy that brings more people that want to work and expand the economy (legally). If the GOP spearheads that effort, they would have a solid voting bloc that more closely aligns with their espoused beliefs.
Sounds like a beat down person who has “struggled” too long in an unfriendly place. But I don’t care. Yes, Senator, your job is to represent your constituents, but not to JUST do what they say. You also swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution (and presumably the CT Constitution).
Sure, a person out in front of a mob could be leading the mob or could be chased by the mob, but so what? Get some balls and recover your honor and DEFEND AND PROTECT the Constitution. If you put your personal oath (your personal honor) over your desire to be a senator, you MUST defend what is right, not just what is popular. It is this failure that permeates both our representation at all levels of government and key areas of our culture.
You want votes? Get out in front of the mob and start running. You want respect? Man up and stand for something.
“…Yes, Senator, your job is to represent your constituents, but not to JUST do what they say.”
OK, so how many CT residents have contacted this weasel to voice their opinion on this? Huh?
Big talk on a blog is cheap, big talk to an elected representative gives them a clue that maybe their personal gravy train is pulling up to the end of the line.
The answer to your question is always going to be: too few. I actually didn’t get this point until in the last two years, but I email at least weekly to my congressional reps, even just to comment on something coming up or concerns about something I see on the news. I communicate less frequently with state reps in NM because we have such short sessions, but I email to each and every member of key committees to express myself, and in some cases I am not even one of their constituents, but I figure it can’t hurt.
It is the hardest thought of all that some of the problem we have in places like CT or CO – less so in states like NY that are overwhelmed by a single city – is that our peers in arms simply don’t express themselves in large enough numbers to their elected reps at least at the right times. Sure, millions of people vote based upon gun rights, or at least take a gander at NRA ratings, etc. – but that’s too damn late. We need to get more involved in the legislative process. I have no capability to do that much besides email, so I do that. And give money to people/orgs that are involved legislatively (like NRA-ILA, GOA, etc.).
Anyone else have other suggestions?
“Man up and stand for something.”
Well, there’s the problem.
So, we’re about to see how our republic functions when none of the above is a viable candidate….
This is yet another reason why the GOP, for the most part, sucks.
“They wanted to confiscate guns and magazines”
Well, guess what … if they had the votes, and wanted them to pass a draconian gun bill, you should have FORCED THEM TO VOTE ON THAT.
Then they would have been on record as having voted for gun confiscation. And you would have been on record as having voted against it. And perhaps, a judge could have issued a restraining order for such a blatant violation of the 2nd amendment. And if not … then perhaps we would see some real, serious disobedience of the law, and people who have not yet woken up to the fact that they want gun confiscation would actually see the truth.
There is no room for compromise here. Partial surrender of one’s rights is still surrender of one’s rights. You have hurt the cause of freedom with your bipartisan compromise BS. You are helping them achieve their goals by compromising in this manner.
^ This !!!!!!!
I am to the point where I honestly believe we need to make California its own Country, make Chicago its own Country and Make NYC, NJ, MA, CT, MD and RI its own country.If you carved those states out of the union this country wouldn’t be so bad.
Seriously, let the progressives have their crazy lefty utopia and let the rest of the country live their own damn lives and be left the hell alone.
Is it really so much these days to want to be left alone by your Government? To not have the tendrils of government choking you at every turn every single day?
You can’t even buy a cabin in the mountains and be left alone by the Gov’t anymore; all it takes is some developer to come along and convince them they can redevelop your land and bring in more tax money. Wham; eminent domain and your SOL.
The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves.
“Is it really so much these days to want to be left alone by your Government?”
For millions of people in the United States, the State is quite literally God. Anyone who opposes anything the State does is as awful as opposing God Almighty himself.
“The founding fathers would be rolling over in their graves.”
Negative. The founders would have been shooting by now.
It’s certainly true that some of the what the feds have done in the last 50 years or so make King George look like a wimp.
All those states have something in common that will over time allow them implode
1) Money is moving out of those states and the business along with them. See this website. Look at all the states in Red. http://www.howmoneywalks.com/irs-tax-migration/ All the locations you named are in Red. It means more money is leaving those states than is coming into the state
2) Demographics. These same states also have high taxes, high cost of living, high energy costs and home prices that are out of reach for young families. Only the old and established are staying. A majority of young adults from these states who leave for school never return to their home states. These states will soon have more older people than younger people — who will pay the taxes that these states need to run their expensive social experiments?
3) The Internet has made the world flat in terms of business. In many of these states (maybe not California), there is nothing these states have where a business needs to be in that state in order to do business. if you look at many of the financial firms, they are expanding, but not in NYS or NYC because they are tired of being sued — those jobs are leaving.
4) All these states are not only in debt, but their pension plans are under funded and when their state unions has large numbers retiring, they will not be able to pay for all their unfunded liability
5) Immigrants are no longer picking many of these states as the place to get started. It is just too damn expensive
There is more but I will not go on. Forbes has had a series of articles including once about CT in which they recommend that you “do not die in CT” because the probate system is so corrupt and such a joke that Judges and attorneys are basically stealing money. If you die in CT you are left with much less than if you are in any other state in US because of death/estate taxes. it is also the most expensive state in the US to be in a nursing home. CT and many of those same states also rank at the bottom for mental health assistance.
Finally, while these states are trying to attract business by giving heavy tax incentives or giveaways to companies to come or stay in the state, the cost of doing business in the state far exceeds the tax breaks they are trying to give. In CT, the Gov. recently gave $27 million to a $4 Billion company in order for them to stay. if they create just 200 new jobs over the next 5 years. The company has taken the money, will probably comply, but is already building a facility out of state and will most likely depart at the end of those 5 years — so they are taking a loan to help them move out of state –how great is that! That is the mental math democrats like to do!
These states will self-implode if they continue on their current policies. IMHO, I wish it would happen faster and soon but it will take a long time. The sad part is the rest of the country will mostly likely to suffer to bail out these states and their stupid policies.
The implosion cannot happen soon enough or fast enough and hopefully it is bad enough that it finally wakes people up in the Northeast. Gen-Y needs to see more bigger failures of government to finally get in the right mindset.
A man who won’t fight for his liberty and freedom don’t deserve either. George Washington.
I might be wrong (it happens every few decades) but I think you’re going for “Those who would give up Essential Liberty, to purchase a little Temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” . That’s actually Benjamin Franklin’s quote.
I love how someone will throw out an incorrect quote and attribute it to someone they think sounds good without bothering to get the grammar correct.
launchpad. Dude. Your first grade grammar and quote fail is providing lurking antis with ammunition for their gun control policies. Read Robert Farago’s memo. All it takes is one stupid post, and yours was pretty stupid. You diminish us all with it.
These RINO POS’s are all over the country. In NY State, the current co-Senate Pres is Senator Dean Skelos. A Republican in name only. He is from the same Long Island territory as Rep. Carolyn McCarthy. He helped push thru the NYS SAFE act. As part of the “party machine” he will probably hold on to his seat this November. But I guarantee that gun owners in his district are not going to forget this traitor and how he sold out ALL NYS gun owners. I’ve heard that folks will vote for anyone but him including the devil himself. These POS politicians need to all be dumped sooner than later.
Translation: “This state is run by Fascists, but I’m only Fascist-lite!”
All the fascist flavor with only half the calories.
Half the calories? Someone tell Christie.
Uh, that is half the calories.
They should have let them pass the worst freaking bill in history. Then it would have been guaranteed to lose in court and then we would have a precedent against this shit. Now as it stands they got everything they wanted with no hope of a judiciary bailout.
I could not agree more. They should allowed the confiscation bill pass as well as requirement to force insurance, of which none exists. It was so bad at one point I cannot see how it would not have been throw out.
Be careful what you wish for. Given the kind of gun regulations NYC gets away with, there is little reason to think there is much the courts would balk at.
HAH! I see your NYC and raise you DC!
Boycott the city don’t spend a dime there. CVA and colt need to move out of CT. Vote the bums out of office
“Vote them out of office.” What good does that do? Does Kelly Ayotte ring a bell? Voting no longer matters when both parties have merged into ONE party of statists. Both parties are playing the electorate for fools. This is what happens when the Constitution is undermined and circumvented. Without an Article 5 Convention of the States to re seize Constitutional powers, there is little option left other than subjugation or violent revolt.
Article 5 will backfire and the statists will end up screwing us big time. I think ultimately the federal reserve, the dollar, the stock market and economy are going to collapse like a house of cards, and so will states like IL, and CT, and CA. its a matter of time and unavoidable. The damage is done at the federal level and the die is cast. At the state level it isnt yet, but getting close. The problem is at the state level in places like IL, CA and CT and NY, the ultra left progressives are so firmly in power nothing will ever change so even though there’s still time, it won’t matter. They will continue down the road til it all collapses. If you don’t recognize we are heading for another civil war, you simply don’t want to see it. And i can understand that, as the next one thats coming will make the first one look like a picnic. And, here’s the kicker: in many ways its in the interest of several major foreign powers to not only facilitate that civil war but to accelorate its approach.
It will be brutal, and long. The division of liberty minded folk and those so helplessly dependent on the state is at historical highs. Not only will the dollar collapse, the global economic structure will as well. Once the dust settles, we can only hope that those left will have the sense to remain semi-isolationist, and not fall into the trap of the global banks and would be ruling elite.
Colt And CVA need to move out of. CT. Vote the bums out of office. And don’t sp
Never trust a politician. Any of them
That’s the same song and dance the traitorous RHINO rat bastards in the NYS Senate performed when they voted for the (UN)SAFE Act: it could have been worse! Worse my butt. It could have been a lot better if they would have had the cahones to vote NO instead of breaking their oath of office. I don’t know what this moron’s payoff was but NYS Senator Dean Skelos got a video gaming facility for his betrayal.
Republicans are better than Democrats, but some of them both still suck. A statist is a gun grabber, whether blue or red. Regardless, we need a whole lot more Republicans and Independents in charge if we care about freedom and limited government (and a balanced budget, stopping NSA spying, repealing Obamacare, etc). I’ve got no love for RINOS or Republican gun grabbers.
This is why you need to vote in primaries as well as the general election.
I have to truly say, they are not wrong when they say they did not have the votes. At the same time, they could have done a lot more. It might have been better to go down the confiscation road and force it to SCOTUS than the crap we have now. At least then, these people would have some integrity. IMHO, if they let the bill be as bad as it could have been, there is a better chance it could have been completely thrown out.
As far McKinney, Boucher, Boughton — FU. Boughton is a gun grabber in disguise. These reason he uses the mental health issue is to purposely not get into the gun debate and be seen as viable to the left.
And to be honest, it hard to be Republican in the Northeast because they have stopped talking about their traditional values and have been forced to fall to social issues and to give away free sh!t to the groups that always want “free” everything. The tide is changing however, in my town we had 21 council seats all democrats, in the last election, 14 of the 21 where voted out because the discussion was around traditional Republican values of fiscal responsibility and family and equal opportunity. The democrat for my district ran on a platform for $250,000 dog park when the down is $20million in debt — no joke!
Joe Visconti truly is an ally will get CT gun owners support
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“That’s a fact. They had the votes,” said McKinney, who pointed to compromises in the bill. “They wanted to confiscate guns and magazines – they didn’t get that.”
Well if the democrats had the votes, then your vote was irrelevant Mr. McKinney and you might as well have said “Nay” on principle alone. Do these people ever hear what they say?
Just keep pulling that R lever as if all the votes for these fools were well spent.
McKinney is a two faced slimebag weasel. He and his ilk are a great reminder that both parties will happily throw anybody or anything under the bus.
“But…but…Muh GOP wouldn’t ever do that!”
“The real owners [of America] are the big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians, they’re an irrelevancy. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the statehouses, the city halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies, so that they control just about all of the news and information you hear. They’ve got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else.”
“But I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around the kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago.
“You know what they want? Obedient workers people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork but just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And, now, they’re coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money. They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club.”
Mayor Boughton is a member of MAIG… plain and simple. He is full of shit when he says he wouldn’t have voted for the ban
Compromising with these statist gun grabbers, whether Democrat or Republican, is like debating a rapist over how many inches of penetration. The only answer is zero and the only response is to defend yourself.
Connecticut, New York, Rhode Island, New Jersey and Massachusetts have two parties: the Democrat party and the Democrat party. They are easy to tell apart.
The mascot of the Democrat party is the jackass in the White House. The mascot of the other Democrat party is the elephant in New Jersey.
The Democrat party is antigun, statist and feminist. The other Democrat party is antigun, statist and feminine.
The Democrats think that personal liberty has something to do with reproduction and sex. The other Democrats think that personal liberty has something to do with reproduction but not sex. Absolutely not sex.
The Democrats like taxes and keep on increasing them. The other Democrats hate taxes but keep on increasing them anyway.
I hope that you now understand the differences between the Democrat party and Democrat party in the northeast.
An excellent post by all accounts. Will it stand up over time…only the future knows.
“The constitution says WHAT? I took an oath to support THAT?” Oops.
50,000 Dorners, oh yeah, thats going to go well. As somebody said to o, if you want to preside over a burned out hulk of a country…have at it. Same to you Ct.
Burned out hulk of a country? Not likely. They cannot afford to wage a war against their own people. The only hope they have is to sell out to another nation, and establish control with an occupation. The people will not stand for that, and all hell will break loose. By that time, the fence sitters would have already made up their minds on which side they are, and only then will we see if this nation will stand whole, be divided, or be taken over.
Pray that cooler heads prevail.
ONLY armed citizens ( I can not say lawful because of a political disregard for peoples rights ) in the various states will restore the Constitution’s Bill of Rights guarantees….all else has been corrupted by politicians and $$$$$……imho
If McKinney possessed true leadership skills he would have lead the five RINOs to bring the debate to reason and garner the only one vote they would have needed to block the legislation. The idea that they “did not have the votes” is a stretch. They were VERY close and John buckled at the knees.
Yeah, and down a foot is better than down a leg, but I’d rather not loose and essential parts.