By Brandon via concealednation.org
We recently reported on an armed citizen at a Waffle House who stopped an armed robbery, because concealed carry. Here we are again, this time at a cafe in Connecticut. Police were called to Cafe Azzurri in Waterbury at 2:30 am Saturday in response to reports of gunfire. By the time they arrived, one man was found shot and declared dead at the scene . . .
Another man, a legal concealed carrier, is believed to be responsible for his death following what witnesses describe as a botched attempted robbery of the establishment and her patrons. According to NBC Connecticut, the names of the armed citizen and the deceased were not immediately disclosed pending the results of a formal investigation. This news source did confirm the armed citizen was a legally permitted concealed carrier and witnesses corroborate the story that he fired his handgun in defense at least once.
Sadly, we’ve covered our recommendations for the most recent string of attempted (and failed) armed robberies in this article here. Thugs just don’t seem to understand that there’s little chance of anything good coming from trying to knock off a restaurant full of people. The big issue they’ll be facing is one or more armed concealed carriers or off-duty police officers willing to stand up to a bad guy with a gun.
And that’s really it, isn’t it? What major malfunction do these guys have where they think simply by producing an illegally obtained firearm, all of the sudden everyone will just lay down and comply? Did they watch too many violent movies growing up? Are people just that weak-willed that they’ll just beg for mercy from every sad sack that walks in thinking he’s going to make his payday?
Well, for those out there that may assume those things — concealed carriers don’t. And next time you think a small café is a good choice for a heist, think again. Or make sure you’re in New Jersey or California where you can bet positive that nobody has a gun.
“Things like this simply don’t happen in other developed countries.”
Thanks, Obama, for a very fitting line. Referring to a citizen actually defending himself and others, of course.
Surprised this happened in CT. Doesn’t one have to kneel and ask the regional lord’s permission for a gun, let alone a carry license?
Ct is shall issue. Most modern semi auto’s are banned though as well as standard capacity magazines. It is a gun owner hell.
Trust me it’s certainly a pain in the ass here. Each town has a different procedure, start by taking your required $125 NRA course, bring that to your local law enforcement agency, pay for your background check both local and federal, don’t forget your fingerprints and in some especially comradey states your three letters of character reference. Some places may or may not make you sit down for a meeting with anyone from a detective to the chief himself and you may wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months, even longer at times. Then you get your temporary town permit which is a paper card only valid for a week, take that to the Depaetment of Emergency Services or something along that line with more hard earned money and you finally get your carry permit which allows you to carry pistols and revolvers both OC and CC. We have to renew every 5 years for a fee. Oh and don’t forget you can’t have a laundry list of semi auto “assault weapons” or any Magizine for any gun that holds more than 10 rounds. Loophole allows for pre ban weapons of any classification though lmao.
That is “shall issue”?????
That is not true, semi autos are not banned. However, certain pistols can fall under the definition of assault weapon. Generally that would be a pistol with a threaded barrel.
Magazines are indeed restricted to a 10 round capacity. If you have a registered magazine with a capacity exceeding 10 rounds it can only be loaded to 10 and must be in the firearm while carrying. I believe the only exceptions are in your home, at a shooting range, or in your place of business in which case you can load the magazine completely.
Some places, like where I live, shall issue you a permit when they get around to it. It took 7 months of waiting and I finally got mine and the worst thing against me is a speeding ticket.
A “registered magazine”? Seriously?
Probably a county employee of some sort.
Well that perp will not rob another place again.
Just moved to Vegas and I’m carrying a empty holster, it takes 90 days to get approval! I was located in Tucson, Az. No permit required, Sure miss it, so I stay out of the open until the state figures I’m legal. I have some rights, but just a few. They let me drive here any way, the city don.t doesn’t think automobiles are dangerous! Watch your six out there.
Ummm… Open carry. No license needed in Nevada.
True, but it is a problem when driving, and there are still plenty of hoplos in Nevada who will dime out an open carrier. LV Metro has gotten better at dealing fairly and decently with OCers due to the efforts of Tim Farrell and other OC activists, but still.
I wouldn’t go into North Las Vegas and try open carry.
From what I understand, the cops there incarcerate first and get around to letting you go a couple of days later.
@Blake, I agree about NLV. The town drunks, oops, I mean the city executives seem especially hateful of black male drivers, but anyone could be a target.
I often open carry in Henderson and Vegas, but was strongly advised in my concealed carry class that unless you are headed directly for the Clark County Shooting range not to open carry in North LV.
As for carry in the car, if I remember correctly Nevada does not consider a weapon in the car, even in the glove box or under the seat, a concealed weapon. If you have it on your person it cannot be hidden from sight. Feel free to correct me on this if I have “misremembered”.
By the way, even though it is technically legal in that their is no Nevada law against doing it, it is strongly recommended you do not attempt to open carry anywhere on or near to the Strip or Freemont street.
There is no Nevada law against openly carrying handguns in cars without a license. In fact, the law is silent. So the questions are (i) what is “openly carrying,” and (ii) what is not openly carrying (or carrying concealed). We’re not addressing the transport of a gun in a car, only carrying the same in a car. There’s a difference.
Here’s an old AG opinion that you will find as unhelpful as I did.
Too bad you never took the time to get your Arizona permit as you can carry concealed in Nevada now.
I have a Washington permit which is no good in Nevada but my non-resident Arizona permit is.
I’m so hoping something happens with national reciprocity. This BS that you can carry here, but not there, but here you can, but not there is ridiculous.
Yeah, like, if we could just outlaw certain actions, like robbery and murder, maybe we could just forget about outlawing baseball bats, knives, whatever. For some reason that must be impossible, I guess. Sigh.
A criminal lacks the empathy switch in his or her brain. Also thinks he doesn’t have to work like the rest of us. If 40% of citizens carried, we would clean up the criminal mess in about a year.
I think it would take much less than that. It’s kind of a fog of war thing, as long as the perp’s don’t know who’s carrying it doesn’t matter that much how many actually are, it acts as a deterrent if enough can cause that fog of war perception. And that percentage could be as low as 15-20%.
Would this criminal have gone into this cafe if he knew 15-20% were armed?
Twenty people in a cafe, if he knew 10% were armed — just two — no criminal with anything resembling a brain wouldn’t go in. One, he might be able to peg, but while dealing with one, he’d be almost guaranteed to get it from the other one.
“A criminal lacks the empathy switch in his or her brain.”
Not necessarily — it depends on why they’re being a criminal.
I had a friend who due to a felony rap for something to do with computers (that his boss actually did, but he had access to the computer, so the prosecutor had them tried together) was being told repeatedly he couldn’t have a job. He was trying to support a girlfriend, and then his sister lost her job… because he was a felon. So he was trying to support her, too, with a baby.
After getting stalled, and stalled, and give the runaround at all the assistance places (because he was a felon), and running his savings to zero, selling a couple of collections he had, and basically running down to no resources, when there was no formula for the baby he turned to stealing it. An owner of a store he robbed refused to testify against him (by claiming he couldn’t identify him) because when the owner offered him money, my friend said, “I just need formula for the baby!” So, happily, he didn’t get another conviction.
The system is so stacked against people even after they’ve done their time, including outfits that are supposedly in existence to help everyone, sometimes people get desperate. In his case, it was empathy that drove him, and desperation that tipped him over the edge.
BTW, after I found out about that I gave hell to some supposedly Christian people who had rebuffed him (because he was a felon) and went past them straight to the little old ladies actually running the assistance outfit: they took one look at the baby and set them up with a year’s supply not just of formula but of everything a baby could need. End of desperation, and one of them talked to a son who had a business, and shortly thereafter he got a trial at a job where (thanks to a little old lady) they ignored that he was a felon.
He needs to start his own business. I cleaned chimneys and windows for a number of years and then switched to major appliance repair. Good money and your customer only cared if you did a good job at a fair price.
or carry on campus in California. . . . Moonbeam just made it real real easy to rob, rape, and pillage. Why? Because like Bernie Sanders (http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/), he likes his women defenseless.
That is the most disturbing article I have read in some time. Just when you think the liberal left cannot get worse…
If Trump or Carson wrote that, the media would have it on a constant loop and be printing copies to throw from biplanes.
Worst thing he’s ever done. Long line of legislation infringing on the people’s right to lawful self defense. Carry long guns in public, months later against the law. Vetted CCW carriers…step on a campus your a felon. Bullet in your pocket with no gun at 13, might get a gat at 23.
Glad he saved the taxpayers money by not having to feed, clothe and house the turd 🙂
Taxpayer relief FTW.
What major malfunction do these guys have where they think simply by producing an illegally obtained firearm, all of the sudden everyone will just lay down and comply?
No, it’s just that every truly stylish criminal has read the latest anti-self defense screed in GQ.
Did anybody ever find out about the Northern Arizona University homicide? Is it looking like self-defense or Marissa Alexander?
The fog of war is still thick, but it seems like it’s one or the other. The “news” is very confused, but that shooter was arrested.
Thug was sure in the clear. It’s PRC, not guns desired.
They have been reading too many liberal rags. Those rags state that defensive gun uses are non-existent, and if everyone complies with the robber, nobody will get hurt.
Does anybody know where there’s a running count and index of these (& similar curated elsewhere?)
I’m thinking something like the recurring page on the TaxProfBlog on the IRS kerfuffle – studiously inclusive, just links to on-topic reports and reporting without commentary.
The statistics that come forward are interesting and useful. In particular, a count of DGUs vs. homicides. Or a count of “mass shootings” by several different definitions.
I thought Waffle House restaurants were gun-free zones. The sign must have malfunctioned, it was supposed to magically stop criminals with guns from coming in.
Or make sure you’re in New Jersey or California where you can bet positive that nobody has a gun.
Don’t be so sure of that.
I’m in California and I carry concealed legally every single day. There may not be enough of us, but we exist.
We’ve been told that in CA issuance depends on the issuing officer, which is the same as it is in MA. While MA is “may issue,” there are some towns in MA that are de facto shall issue, while others are de facto no issue. My current town is good for gun rights, as was my previous town.
Sheriffs do have discretion as to what qualifies as “good cause”, and it’s this discretion that is the focus of the Peruta case. The sheriff of my county began accepting “self defense” as sufficient good cause after the 3 judge ruling, and reversed when Peruta went En banc. Rumor is that it’s not nearly as restrictive here as it was prior to Peruta, but many counties have not loosened their policies. I can’t say I’m terribly optimistic, but a ruling in our favor would force sheriffs in CA and within the 9th circuit to accept self defense as good cause and stop trampling our 2nd amendment rights in regards to conceal carry.
I’m still appalled that in America, there’s such a thing as one costumed government enforcer who has the sole, uncontestable authority to decide whether a person gets to exercise a natural right. There are few things more unAmerican than that.
These robbers must have watched too much Pulp Fiction…
“Any of you fuckin’ pricks move and I’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!”
Yet another fine example of a good guy with a gun making a positive difference. Examples such as these are why crimes committed with a firearm are on the decline, hell criminals realize they may be putting themselves in harms way.
another happy ending ,,one less douchebag being housed at the public’s expense
Here is an update from the Waterbury Republican-American, it was a former firefighter who was the shooter…
No practical difference between a classroom and a cafe. A good guy with a gun saves lives.
Given CT’s Liberal, anti-self defense attitude, the bad probably DID think everyone would lie down and comply. Thank God there are at least a few people there who have the backbone to defend themselves.
0230. Only things happening at 0230 in public are bad. At least the good guy had a blaster.
if ya don’t want to be in the news, don’t be out at 0230.
“Or make sure you’re in New Jersey or California where you can bet positive that nobody has a gun.”
Hey, he was in Connecticut, so he got it almost right. Maybe he got the wrong impression from reading their newspapers.