Just hours ago Harry Reid, Senate majority leader, introduced Frank Lautenberg’s knee-jerk reaction bill that would place restrictions and require background checks for anyone buying “explosive powder.” Depending on the bill’s language, it would include not only loose gunpowder (such as that used by handloaders) but could also cover standard ammunition cartridges. Lautenberg and Reid are trying to label these propellants as “explosives” in the wake of the Boston bombings and use that tragedy to limit general access to ammunition and reloading components . . .
It’s a back door way to make gun ownership more difficult and possibly put smaller local ammunition manufacturers out of business. After the stinging defeat of the “common sense” gun control proposals the Democrats tried to ram through the Senate, there’s little doubt that they will redouble their efforts to hurry this bill through while the Boston bombing is still fresh in the public’s mind. Watch this space.
Oh, you guys thought we won the war did you?
Nein,my friend.The anti-gunner is a persistent adversary:knock the crusties out of your eyes and man the posts!
Freedom lost the war back in 1865. It has been down hill ever since.
At least Lincoln got what he deserved.
And you believe this bill is going to pass? It’s political grand standing that is now totally out of tune. After the Boston bombng 2/3 of people said they would have prefered to have a gun in this situation.
I do believe it will pass… Unless we redouble out efforts to pressure the House to not pass it. Guns have two enemies: rust and politicians
At least rust is honest about what it does!
Never let a tragedy go to waste.
+1
Honestly, I’m a little surprised that you guys are surprised by this. I saw this coming the second they said a pressure cooker was used.
So did I.
A proactive person would have gone to the store and purchased more powder after observing the dense cloud of white smoke and witness statements of a sulfur smell.
Yeah, if you can find any!
They’d better start doing background checks on anyone who wants to buy an internal-combustion engine or fuel for such, as using one involves creating thousands of explosions per minute.
Time to call your senators like we have and kill this bill. We won once we can again.
Right – because a background check would have prevented these guys from either a) buying it or b) finding it somewhere else.
Again – just one of those things – how would you enforce it?
Put an individual serial number on every casing, and register every round? I can’t find the right words to express how ridiculous an idea that is.
Talk about opening up a whole new market for straw purchase and theft.
Reasonable people will see this for what it is. I’m certain I can use this to prove to some of fence sitters I know, how insane the progressives are. The whole fireworks/match heads/gasoline argument is a go to, and just about impossible to refute.
While I don’t want anyone to try and construct explosive devices for any criminal purposes, or try and hurt innocents in any way, I can’t help but wonder what the reaction would be if the next terrorist style attack used a fuel-air explosive based on gasoline. Or for that matter, cooking flour.
Granted, it is an unlikely means, but FAE type weapons (more likely with gasoline than flour, of course) can be terribly destructive. What would they do, require background checks to fill your car?
Obama is the real killer of americans
Well looks like this ammo shortage is going to be a bit longer.
And I commented a few seconds after you!
Looks like I’m late to this party but I hope some people will read this. I have a S&W Special Model .38 Hand Ejector Military and Police Model of 1905, Fourth Change. This pistol was issued to Lt. James W. Newton in 1944 while he was training on the Norden bomb site. His statement reads he was issued this pistol by the U.S. Army Air Corps after it was modified by shortening the barrel to 3 inches and the swivel removed. The serial # is V670976 and was shipped to the Hartford Ordinance Depot, Springfield MA on Sept 11, 1944. Lt. Newcomb(retired as LTC Newcomb) states the pistol was shortened and swivel removed for weight reduction and for ease for entering the cramped space of the bombardier. Lt Newton flew bombing missions over Europe and Asia. His statement claims this pistol flew on all his bombing missions. Can anyone add any documentation to these facts? S&W states the modifications cannot be authenticated by S&W because they were done after market. Pictures-other pistols- anything
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Well someone beat me to it. But we had better require background checks for gas, flour, sawdust, dryer lint, and anything else easily combustible.
Non-dairy creamer … don’t forget non-dairy creamer!!!
You better add Diet Coke and Mentos to that list, just to be safe…
They keep pushing buttons until they press the wrong one and all hell will break loose. But that is what they want anyway. STOP THE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AND WE CAN GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.OBAME DOESNT HAVE TO BE POLITICLY CORRECT, HE SAYS WHSTEVER HE WANTS ABOUT WHATEVER GROUP HE WANTS.
Hi, Homeland Security? Yeah, we’ve got a “live one” here. Could you send somebody over?
News reports say that the dynamic duo bought fireworks, although it is not yet clear if they had bought enough for a bomb. Has it even been established that they used gunpowder for the bomb?
Has it even been established that they used gunpowder for the bomb?
No, but I’m sure that the Feebs have enough residue to establish what the scumb@gs actually used.
Anyone know if the bill has been assigned a number yet? I want to write my senators on this right away.
Update: Nevermind, it’s S. 792
It’s very obvious that Reid and his Quisling colleagues are openly provoking a civil conflict. They want blood in the streets. Mine, yours, anyone and everyone.
Hmmm. Multi-megabuck payout on the taxpayers’ backs… and none of the “at least seven” officers[*] involved in the incident are given any discipline or accountability, at least none that is being reported.
Golly…. who predicted this outcome a couple months ago here on TTAG? Who could that veritable Nostradamus of gun nuts have been?
Personally, I wish the plaintiffs’ attorney had litigated this and had brought the incompetence of the LAPD out into the public view for all to see. But lawyers are all about the quick buck, and the LAPD knows that, so they just upped the settlement high enough to get the parties to sign a confidentiality agreement on the terms and such, and they sweep it neatly under the rug. SOP for a modern urban police department.
[*] The LA Times, in an article published in the Saturday edition of the paper (which is where the LA Times likes to publish things that are highly inconvenient for the pretty people of LA, or elected officials the LA Times has endorsed or supported) quoting an LAPD official that “…at least seven officers…” were “involved” in the hosing down of the victims’ pickup truck. Seven. Not two, seven. As I commented at the time, I could see (but not justify) how two officers would light up an unidentified vehicle (senior officer in the patrol car starts, rookie chimes in to back the senior officer’s play).
But seven? And no one took a moment to say “Is that really who we are seeking?” That’s prima facie evidence of staggering incompetence and a threat to public safety.
I’d be surprised if this bill makes it to the floor. Also, Reid is telling two things.
First, Reid won’t be running for re-election, which is why he broke with the NRA. He won’t need them any more.
Second, Lautenberg is the walking dead and the Dems want to give him a rousing send-off. Well, so do I, except my definition of a rousing send-off might be different from theirs. Die, zombie Senator, die!
Now you did it Ralph. Someone will be knocking on your door. Just remember to STFU.
Your comment did make me laugh, though. It was almost as good as Zimmerman’s (I think) “cadaverish” comment.
Just to be absolutely clear, if someone does come knocking I honestly and truthfully had absolutely nothing to do with it. I am simply observing that you are definitely playing with fire.
Zombie-smombie. Ever read any H.P. Lovercraft? Tell me Mitch McConnell doesn’t have “The Innsmouth Look”.
The NRA better get their ass all over this. I shoot black powder guns.
Does anyone have a good website for batch emailing government officials and/or batch printing addressed letters? The congress.org one doesn’t offer that service anymore.
I think we need to
1) keep with the pressure regarding NO on this bill,
2) put out information on what is an explosive, a propellant, or just a fuel. Black Powder, Black powder substitute, smokeless, gasoline, fireworks, kerosene, propane, natural gas, camp fuel, potassium nitrate, charcoal sulfur, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, urea, aluminum powder, iron oxide, composted soil, hot water, wood, fire, rock, all of these are equally dangerous in evil and motivated hands. Where does it stop?
3) DEMAND an answer about what was actually used in the bombs. More specifically, that are law enforcement being directed as to what information they can or can not release by politicians for political reasons? That should be their call, not politician’s call. This should be as important as any other separation of powers doctrine in the legal/political system.
4) DEMAND an answer about the constitutionality of conducting the lockdown and search the way they did. I saw a government fully equipped with military hardware and capable of enforcing such a lockdown regardless of whether or not people elected to cooperate. That should not be.
5) DEMAND an answer regarding if a US citizen can be treated on US soil like an enemy combatant and have his rights denied. Even if we are sure he’s guilty, it’s not an issue of owing him due process for his sake. We owe it to ourselves to stick to our values, even when we don’t want to.
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congress.org isn’t bad for blanket emails to Congress
You duck into your apartment call 911 and wait. Bad guy shoots away your door comes in a kills you. Unarmed and helpless is always such a good way to be.
It’s easy to make black powder, people. It’s even easier to make ANFO, or “giant powder” used in mining blasting. But let’s put the ANFO aside for a moment, because it has no application in firearms. Let’s stick with black powder.
First, start with some “instant cold” packs. The type you see in medical supply kits for icing down soft tissue injuries.
In there, you will have a small amount of ammonium nitrate, and a plastic bag containing water. Pull out the crystals, dispose of the water. You can refine the ammonium nitrate into potassium nitrate, which is the primary component in black powder.
You can react that ammonium nitrate with several reagents (some will cause out-gassing of ammonia gas, so do your homework and do the reaction that outgas ammonia outdoors, folks) and in a little while after the water is driven off from the resulting solution, you will have KNO3. Now you’ll need finely ground charcoal. If you want priming powder, you’ll need some flowers of sulphur. You’ll need to wet the powders down as you mix them to prevent a “work accident” (as it is called when certain males of middle eastern ancestry turn themselves into a human bottle rocket before lunchtime) in order to mix them properly, then you’ll need to dry the mixture out.
OK, so you don’t think cold packs will be around? OK, let’s go get nitrates the old fashioned way.
Go find a horse farm. A horse farm that feeds it’s horses oat hay or fertilizes it’s pastures with nitrates would be ideal. The reason why I say “oat hay” is that oats fix nitrates when drought stressed, or fertilized too late in their growth cycle. Most hay producers who grow oats for hay will have higher nitrate levels than grass hay or alfalfa hay.
Look for piles of dried horse poop that have recently been wet. See that fine, white/clear “fuzz” on the outside of horse poop? That’s nitrate, folks. Offer to take all the horse manure off the farm for free. Make a big mixing flat tank with a fine screen to contain the undigested fiber in the manure, run water through the horse poop, and gather the fluid in a tank down below. Allow that water to dry off in a nice, shallow, flat pan. The resulting crystals will be potassium and sodium nitrates.
Oh, you’re a city dweller and don’t have nearby horse farms? No problem. The powder makers of 1500’s Europe had the same problems… until they realized that humans and horses excrete nitrates.
In the early days of gunpowder production in Europe, the “night soil” collectors were given a premium to divert the chamber pots of the bishops and priests to the gunpowder makers – the urine of the local clergy were known to be high in nitrates, due to the amount of red wine the clergy drank.
The idea that someone can’t make black powder because they can’t pass a background check is something believed by only liberal arts majors.
Next step the government will seek to nationalize horse farms.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there’s no evidence as yet that gun powder commonly acquired for reloading purposes was used in the Boston bombings. So yet another knee-jerk reaction based on assumptions and preconceived ideas melded with the “do something, anything” mentality.
Yes, you are correct but why would they let such a nice tragedy go to wastes?
Lautenberg’s has introduced the same bill several times going back to 86, it has never gained any traction and I doubt it will now.
I would think that if black powder had been used, it would be all over the news in no time. ATF can test for that nearly instantly.
This is starting to give me one hell of a headache!!!
Terrorists can blow people up, even a lot of people like during 9/11/2001.
But congressmen and senators can rob us of our freedoms. All while smiling at us and claiming to be helping us.
I’m not always sure which is worse.
I do.. the loss of rights.. the loss of life is limited to those who experience it, and to a lesser extent the ones they leave behind… The Congressmen will effect every
Citizensubject, possibly forever. This is the meaning of Legacy.Way to go!
Yeah I know the engrish doesn’t do it justice, but dang, it is good to see she is getting recognition. Who knows this might promote shooting sports in Japan… One can only hope.
He had a concealed carry permit. First one of those I’ve seen.
Hope that POS is dead.
Just called Kimber – .380 delivery starts Feb / March 2014. That probably won’t happen either.
Why is GLOCK in all caps? Are they doing the BLACKHAWK!! thing now?
Because that’s the way the company spells it.
http://us.glock.com/about/terms-of-use
Gotta keep telling myself “She’s only 17, she’s only 17”
Lol, reminds me of a scene from family guy:
Quagmire: how old are you?
Girl: 17.
Quagmire: 18!?!?!
Girl: Mom!!!
Quagmire: I like where this is going…
I blew a sigh of relief on this one.
This could be a very good thing because perhaps the NRA will team up with the fireworks industry to create a stronger defense against Democrats.
No doubt that the Democrats will now try to ban the Fourth of July.
The fine senators will certainly not kill their bill. The fact that the criminals acquired their chemicals from fireworks doesn’t matter.
What matters is that the public saw a bomb go “boom” in a crowded place and our senators claim to have a solution. And here’s the insidious part: when voters hear the word “bomb” and “gun powder” in the same sentence, they will automatically associate those two and demand regulation. Never let a crisis go to waste, right?
And every time this legislation comes up, we have to hammer (TM) those advocates and demand that the bill include regulations on “assault” pressure cookers and other related kitchen items with at least one “assault” feature.
Hmm… wonder what calibers those are rated for? I could use a whiteboard for my work bench.
While good in theory….
I live eastern Washington and can add a little here. Washington (state), as liberal as it is in some ways, is a “shall issue” CCW state. Pay your $52, pass the background check and you get your permit, renewable every five years. So, the fact that this guy had his CCW issued by his local police it means he didn’t have a mental health or criminal record that disqualified him.
Interesting idea but most schools I have ever been in have cinder block for inside walls, not sure how much they can take though.
Oh, now I see how the liberals think. Guns in schools for self-defense are bad, but bulletproof whiteboards are good. So, it must be something that has a double use. Hmmmm…let’s see:
Provide schools with guns that have laser sights on them. Give them to teachers and they can double as laser pointers during class instruction.
Or….
Issue revolvers where the cylinder can also double as a pencil holder.
The possibilities are endless!
Fireworks are used to celebrate the birth of our nation, which is why Democrats hate them.
DO NOT LEAVE ANYTHING UP FOR INTERPRETATION. The 2nd amendment was clear as glass until the left wanted to interpret things their way. What a mess that turned into. Put it into real simple words. HANDS OFF THE PEOPLES GUNS.
The way things are going in the Illinois legislature [i.e., nothing getting done], Illinois might be constitutional carry before Arkansas.
There are more dislikes than likes on that video… By a margin of over 1000. Winning hearts and minds across the Internet?
So isnt this 4m going to count as income for tax purposes? From what i’ve seen online, these ladies will pay 10.3% + 90.7k for Cali income tax and another 37.9% for federal income tax. Sucks that they’ll really only be getting 1m each. Plenty of homes around LA cost more than 1m. Then you have to factor in medical bills too.
And I want to know what a lawyer could possibly do which cause this case to cost millions to litigate it. There really isnt any question of what happened wrong here. You’d think it would be only a few days at most.
I absolutely love these videos, and the course descriptions are awesome for understanding what’s going on (and going wrong). Keep it up!
I bet they don’t get WWG 911 calls on them.
The Roman Legions used the Testudo (tortoise) formation.
But each Roman at least had a pike or sword as well for offense when the enemy ran his 10 arrow quiver dry.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Testudo_formation.jpg
Should we be worried that politicians don’t even wait for the facts to come out about an incident before rushing to introduce legislation curtailing rights granted by our Bill of Rights? LOL
This needs to go viral…
Washington State has been a “shall issue” state since 1961. There are over 400,000 active CPLs. Every now and then, a licensee commits a crime. It’s such a low percentage. I hope our opponents don’t take advantage of this anomaly.
I knew I should have bought that bottle of Blue Dot I saw last weekend.
Why don’t they just invent a force field to envelop the whole room thereby stopping all bullets at the door. Oh, wait, thats very impractical and expensive. Sure, it would be cheaper and make more sense to just train teachers to defend themselves with guns but we are in fantasy land after all and the money is only taxpayer money, not real money.
I’ve shot the Super Black Eagles and they indeed are very soft-kicking semi-autos. The ones owned by my hunting buddies are very, very reliable and pretty easy to clean.
That said, for simplicity and reliability, I cannot name another modern semi-auto shotgun that delivers the bang:buck of the Beretta A390, as I’ve stated before.
NB that waterfowl guns address a different set of requirements than upland game guns, or sporting/skeet clays guns or trap guns. A serious shotgunner might have a gun for each pursuit: Something like a Benelli for waterfowl, a classic side-by or pump gun for upland game (pumps with 5+ round magazines in areas and hunts where you can have more than two rounds in the magazine), and then a O/U or single-shot for clays or trap. Waterfowl loads are heavier and faster loads than what you’d use for most upland game, and heavier yet than AA loads for busting clays.
Trap guns are a whole ‘nother issue. Trap shooters are off in their own world of shotgunning.
But as for taking a pic and mailing it to friends with the title “My gun…” Not a Benelli. It would be a high(er) grade Parker, Fox, LC Smith, Lefever, Browning Superposed, Winchester Model 12 Pigeon Grade, etc. If money were no object, then I’d be into Parker A grades.
Is it the camera, or does somebody need to buy that gal a cheeseburger!?
Along the same line as G2 states, is GE going to get out of the military jet engine business? Hypocrites.
GE has been offering 0% financing for many years. Seems like most small businesses that offer financing to customers do so through a partnership with GE Capital. The way it works is that you get a [typically] 12 month loan with 0% interest and 0 payments due. BUT… 12 month + 1 day later, if you haven’t paid the loan off in its entirety, you’re hit with a bill for ALL of the interest that accrued during the 12 month period. It’s only interest free if you pay it off in full. My guess is that the kinds of folks who buy guns are the kind of folks who pay off these loans properly, and get away with taking a year to pay for something at zero interest instead of forking out up front. I bet GE wasn’t making much off this program to this category of people anyway 😉
we dont deal with conspiracy theory, we deal with conspiracy fact.
there is a conspiracy in our country all right, and it will be the average man and woman that gets f^cking screwed once again. History doesnt repeat itself, it rhymes. 😉
Next up: a run on Ball jars and other canning accouterments. I heard Bloomberg also wanted to ban those high-capacity 64 oz Ball jars, because who needs 1/2 gallon of pickles/soup/ lanything.
It’ll be interesting to see if the Senate decides to hold another vote on a modified Manchin-Toomey. Some think it might:
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/25/mccain-schumer-say-gun-control-is-coming-back
Make the public pay more for an item that has a shelf life and that can be disabled by those in CONTROL because that is the root cause of this movment; Control
Mr. Farago, you got me with that fake-out comment! If only it was true. A fashion designer who supported gun rights would show the world that firearm proponents can encompass a myriad of people from different backgrounds.
But of course, Ms. Lotan doesn’t subscribe to that idea. Sigh…
My comments don’t show up in the live blog above. Anyone else have this problem?
Ok, I guess they have to approve your comment. Lame, who wants to sit here and watch these guys talk to each other?
So far a bit of a hack job. Although stats wise it seems pretty solid. the doctor couldn’t tell a 9mm to a 223 round injury. She is pretty dumb.
To the male doctor, how about the hollow point 357? That would do even more damage. Trotting out the dead and wounded is more bloody T-Shirt waving..
In my youth the dems were not so enamored of gun control. It’s only since the party has been hijacked by the extreme left that the gun hate started. The dems are working as a party to disarm the citizens. There are repubs that go for gun control as individuals. but it’s not the party policy.
The NRA of my youth was geared towards hunters mostly. I went thru their hunter safety program at the local rod and gun club and then got my first hunting license. To my memory the NRA did not really getr all that active in politics until after the 68 gca. They’ve been at it ever since.
And while I think the NRA, like the public service unions, has gotten too cozy with management I would rather have them in the fight than not.
Saf made one misstep. I’m not ready to turn on them yet. They’ve done to much good to dump just yet. As individuals we need to keep up the pressure on our reps and vote every election. But we need to recognize that as individuals our voices are weaker than if we have an org backing us. Join the NRA and vote.
I think we should mandate government-subsidized speed loaders to save our thumbs.
I live in California-stan and therefore must deal with the dreaded “bullet-button” (“cartridge” button, but I digress). I’ve tried explaining the safety-at-the-range problem this creates for everyone to name-brand, national political figures while sitting next to them. And they really do not care be ause mag limits and bullet-buttons test well. It’s a political win for them.
So the thing I’d caution is that winning the mag-change argument will refocus to making doing so impossible by adding restrictive mag releases for every gun. Believe me, that is one goal.
It’s hard to describe, but the politi-crats very astutely set the conversation boundaries and then make your defense of normal and good appear subversive. And one of the most important factors: these powerful, extremely wealthy aristocrats are *nice.* They are very charming to interact with, even as you know they are nitwits, even evil.
In the end, facts don’t matter. Riding populist ponies to victory does. And if that precludes you owning “armor-piercing bullets” or “weapons of war,” so much the better.
It has been an interesting year for me thus far, to say the least.