New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has released the text of his State of the State speech. [Click here for live streaming.] bloomberg.com reports that Cuomo “wants to make New York’s gun laws the toughest in the nation, pushing to ban weapons with ‘military-style features’ and eliminate loopholes that allow the sale of large-capacity magazines . . . The proposal would allow the state to suspend or revoke licenses and confiscate weapons, close loopholes in the 2000 law banning assault rifles, flag large bullet purchases and require background checks for gun sales between private parties. ‘Some weapons are so dangerous and some ammunition devices so lethal that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state,’ the report said. Current law ‘is so riddled with loopholes and so difficult to understand that it has become virtually unenforceable.'” The Gov has a seven-point plan . . .
1. “Enact the toughest assault weapons ban in the nation period”
2. “Close the private sale loophole by requiring federal background checks”
3. “Ban high capacity magazines.”
4. “Enact tougher penalties for illegal gun use, guns on schools grounds and violent gangs.”
5. “Keep guns form people who are mentally ill.”
6. “Ban internet sales of ammunition in New York.”
7. “Create a state NICS check on all ammunition purchases.”
Do these devils realize the kind of foul mood they’re putting me in? GGGGRRRRRRRRRRR…..
Well, I know where I’m not moving. Let’s pray that this doesn’t come to pass.
Anyone else expecting a mass exodus of gunowners from NY? Can gunowners challenge in Supreme Court of US that this is unconstitutional?
Yes. McDonald v. Chicago established that 2A applies to states.
I believe you’d need to be a NY resident (and possibly a gun owner) to have standing to sue tho. Or if it’s all done in one omnibus bill perhaps an out-of-state ammo seller would have standing as well.
Now that McDonald v. Chicago has incorporated the Second Amendment, do the military equipment standards of Miller v. United States apply to the states as well? The definition was written about in the more recent Printz v. US. In Printz v. United States it was confirmed that the sawed off shotgun that Miller possessed had been regulated because it was not “ordinary military equipment” that could “contribute to the common defense”. While it would seem that a sawed off shotgun can still contribute to the common defense, it is certainly further from ordinary military equipment than an AR-15. My M1A is used in government sponsored Civilian Marksmanship Program events
It certainly seems that ARs/AKs should meet the “common use” test of Heller.
Or so I keep hoping.
Don’t forget about the “military utility” test of Miller. That was the real reason the grabbers spent decades before Heller claiming state militias had been replaced by the National Guard.
I assume someone ran that up the flagpole in ’94 and nobody saluted, but that’s just assuming.
Hoping for a mass exodus of gun makers too. Though I’d feel bad for the unemployed due to it.
I wish they would, but if previous anti-gun laws in Democrat states are any indication, they’ll just shout “THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER?!”
“Civilians” are government employees who are not in the military. Non-government employees are “CITIZENS”. Citizens are armed and rank higher than any government employee.
Yes! We need to resist these attempts to redefine our nation’s terms to meet someone’s rose-colored view of reality. Via Wikipedia From Old French Civillian means of the civil law, ie judges, police, clerks and other civil servants, as oppossed to govt officials subject to military law. About 100 years ago international law adopted civillian to mean any noncombatant. Now international governing busybodies are trying to redefine civillian to mean unarmed subject. We need to make sure our words mean what they say and keep Citizen alive, both as a vocabulary word and the ideal. Nothing gets me steamed more than a cop/legislator calling me a civillian.
You might be on to viable legal defenses.
Per Black’s Law Dictionary:
citizen, n. 1. A person who, by either birth or naturalization, is a member of a political community, owing allegiance to the community and being entitled to enjoy all its civil rights and protections; a member of the civil state, entitled to all its privileges
civilian, n. 1. A person not serving in the military.
You should have watched the pre-speech spin up on c-span. The lt. gov called out the families of the firefighters who died in that ambush last month. They walked up one family at a time ready to cry on stage with the lt clapping like crazy and Cuomo spends 2 seconds saying sorry, hands them a flag, then spends the next 20 seconds positioning them for the perfect photo op.
The widow of one of the men almost broke down. The look on her face practically screamed “Why are you doing this to me on national TV?” If I was on the stage I probably would have punched him in the face. It was just one of the most disgusting political displays I’ve ever seen.
They why did these families go along with it?
As others have said…
F*CK ‘EM!
Because when you’re asked to go up on a stage and take a flag for a dead loved one who died in the line of duty you usually do it. None of the families said anything one way or the other on gun control.
There’s a right way and a wrong way to do this kind of thing. Letting your LT governor make the speech (giving a virtual on air BJ to his boss) and then just taking the photo op without saying anything meaningful is the WRONG way.
In view of what’s happened and the backlash over it, nope…
These families should have known better…
Not going to feel sympathy for those who made themselves a pawn..
Shame on them!
Nevermind the fact that the guy wasn’t legally able to own a gun in the first place and that their gun control laws didn’t stop him from getting them. Nope, lets punish the non-criminals instead.
I know a lot of New Yorkers from all over the state, not just the City. Smart as you or me, but I just don’t understand how they elect the same ass hats from the same families, year after year. Bans only serve criminals and create felons out of otherwise honest people. The bans also seem to correlate to the viciously high murder rates in “gun free” cities.
Individuals are smart. People are stupid, forgetful, and panicky.
As a NYer I can tell you that we are one of the most union-dominated states in the nation. When you combine the 1) unions from what little private sector we have left upstate, 2) unions from our HUGE public sector and 3) leftists and bleeding hearts of all stripes from NYC, what you have is simply an insurmountable electoral advantage. Often the same bozos and cronies jump parties, so voters feel there is no choice and no chance. Hundreds of thousands have left the state rather than fight the fight, thus the problem is worse. NY is unfixable. Like a drug addict, rock-bottom needs to be reached before there is any thought of a turnaround. Better just to leave and many more will after this.
EXODUS: NY state is going to see a big hit on their tax base as everyone flees.
Once this passes NY will be a bastion of peace, where everybody carries an IPOD listening to Obama speeches while sipping Starbucks.
Nope, not Starbucks. Anti-2nd Amendment folks don’t like them. They allow concealed carry in their stores in states where CCW is legal.
It will be interesting to see what the current gun manufacturer’s do now…leave for greener pastures and more positive pro-gun states or stay and tough it out.
They haven’t left Illinois!
Plenty of places out here in Tennessee to set up shop, lots of open land. I could use a new job and have a background in tool and dye making
is that a colored joke?
Kentucky state legislature announced yesterday that no gun bills would be considered this session except one to make the “Kentucky” long rifle the official state gun.
Maybe because it’s the only one the feds will let us keep.
NY gun owners call your Senator and reps and say NO!!!!!!!
WE HAVE BEEN!! THEY DON’T CARE!!! THEY WAN’T WAR!!
Seriously, we’ve been calling and emailing and we’ve been fed grade A manure. They’re pissing on us and telling us to go get an umbrella.
Why is Remington still manufacturing in New York? They need to leave that state and leave now.
They’ve been considering it and this may be the push they need.
Tyranny.
One mans tyranny is another mans “progress.”
Forward! (into oblivion)
It’s too bad WNY can’t break away from NYC.
Too bad Nazi Yorkers won’t lift a finger or grease one high n tight or one pol if it passes. Nazi Yorkers won’t resist if legal challenges fail.
The “loopholes” in the current laws is the fact that the criminal class do not obey them. I’d like to see them close THAT hole. And if the .223 is so lethal and so dangerous that it must be banned, what does that mean for all the other hunting rifles out there that are significantly more powerful? And does he plan on banning HPs because they are “too lethal”? I didn’t know that you could be more dead than dead. Though I do understand that you can be not quite dead dead, but very nearly dead.
I know what we can do–rubber bullets for every one!
“Loopholes” also indicate that the people writing these laws have no flippin’ clue about what they are trying to legislate.
I’m looking forward to seeing the backlash they receive when Remington leaves New York and a thousand jobs are lost.
Kimber too. Hopefully.
They won’t. The companies and the gun owners in these states have shown them for half a century that they’ll take any shit the state government throws at them.
Example:
Dear Remington,
As long as you continue to manufacture and headquarter your business in the state of New York I will not be purchasing any of your products.
I hope they try to confiscate. I hope NYers find their balls and resist. I hope an example is made for any other states, politicians, and law enforcement that fancy themselves tyrants.
And if NYers don’t resist, I hope the criminals and tyrants they bow down to prey upon them mercilessly to teach them what happens when you give up your rights.
Fantasy, perhaps, but in this day and age of America, fantasy is all we have left.
‘military-style features’
Like triggers? Or the ability to fire bullets?
You have to love the vagueness.
Cuomo backed off of the confiscation talk. He did however demand that an NICS check be done for every ammunition purchase. It seems NY is in a contest with NJ and CA to draft the worst gun laws in the nation.Methinks Uhaul is about to make record profit in NY state.
I have to give the man credit for one thing: when he said “New York is not a man’s State” he was 100% on the money.
We have a rally in Sacramento on the 19th to tell Nancy what she can do with her ammo bill!!!
BREAKING: IL wont be one upped by NY or CA and will soon introduce something even more absurd!
My day just went from ok to crappy!! YIKES!!!!
What a buffoon. I feel for you folks in NY.
Now, to be technically accurate, any ammunition fired from a gun is and can be lethal. There isn’t much difference between a 22LR and a .223/5.56, only the velocity. Neither one are all that powerful, but they are deadly. Heck a BB gun and sling shot are deadly too. Is Cuomo gonna take the NJ route where you need a DNA test to get a permit for a sling shot?
I don’t know what happened to Andy. He’s turned into a jerk on just about every issue. How does he plan on dealing with criminals who decide to load their own ammunition instead of undergoing a background check? I’d raise other questions, but I don’t want to give these maniacs any new ideas.
Does anyone know where Assemblyman Sean Ryan stands in the bill?
Andy’s daddy is His Arrogance Pope Mario the Pious. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
Typo in #5: “form” -> “from”
This will pass with little or no resistance. The people will simply roll over and prepare for the next flogging. We are the unfortunate generation that lives to see the death throes of a once great nation.
Well la dee da Governor. Aren’t you just the toughest, meanest hombre east of the Pecos. He has spoken and it is the true word of God and His will shall be done.
These clowns really are full of themselves. And they aren’t going to like what’s coming. I predict they’ll be eating more humble pie in the long run than they can well enjoy.
Sounds to me like Cuomo can kiss his presidential ambitions goodbye.
and these things will protect the good guys how?
and bad guys will listen to this in what way?
Seriously, if you can’t keep law abiding citizens from talking and texting while driving, good luck telling a bad guy who is willing to die at the scene of the crime to abide by these laws about their guns
Hey, “high” capacity magazines of more than 10 rounds are all ready banned here in NY. What’s he talking about with banning them? I hope this is like a double negative and he’s actually saying they’ll be legal, but I have my doubts.
He wants to lower the legal round count so say good bye to all semi automatic pistols by default, same for rifles….
Lower them even further? Is he considering 10 rounds “high” capacity?
Banned only if they were manufactured after September 14, 1994. Governor Cuomo wants to ban them all.
He wants to get rid of preban magazines.
Previous radio snippets have him speaking about “loopholes” in our AWB, and this is one of the points that he drives.
So we are going to retroactively ban a product.
What I find truely sad through all this civilian disarmament talk, is that our great nation wants to and will probably enact laws making law abiding people instant criminals, people like me who have never so much as had a speeding ticket in all my 50 yrs on this planet. And Criminals will be listening to all this so they will know when it is safe for them to continue their “special” skill sets without the fear of an armed homeowner.
Crap like this just make me even happier that I fled NY for Texas. And when tax time comes around, happier still.
I feel the same way about Tennessee. No state income tax, and the number of NICS background checks in December brought a happy tear to my eye. Oh, sure, we’ve got plenty of gun banners in Memphis and even some in Nashville, but you’ve got Austin. No state is perfect, right?
Wish I could say Im could proudly Tennesse native. Nope F’ing Connecticut. Oh well at least some sense came to me in my late twenties.
If the gun manufacturers do not leave New York and Illinois, I’m going to not by their products. They have leverage that they aren’t using and it’s frustrating.
Harry Reid slipped a amendment into the Patient Affordable are Act (Obama Care) to keep the NRA on his side during his reelection bid..
Senate amendment 3276, Sec 2716, part c “Protection of Second Amendment Rights”
Government cannot collect: “…any information relating to…(A) The lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtVMdBuWww&feature=player_embedded
LMAO!
4. “Enact tougher penalties for illegal gun use, guns on schools grounds and violent gangs.”
I am sure when there is a school shooting in NY, those extra tough sentences will go wonders for shooter who killed himself.
How will they prevent people driving to boarder states to purchase ammo?
This is all big talk BS that solves nothing
I must have missed the part where he is going to do away with criminal safe zones. Yes,ban all guns with bad features like triggers & barrels, Randy
Part of me is happy they’re grabbing so rabidly, as the froth makes it easier to fight, but I fear it is only to establish such a high baseline that, when these attempts fail, the can then “compromise”, throw out the patently stupid suggestions (national registration, NCIS checks for ammo) and still end up with a ban on SA rifles snd standard magazines.
“‘Some weapons are so dangerous…that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state”
Dangerous like it’s going to blow up in my face or dangerous like Gov. Cuomo soil his panties at the mere sight of one?
The political agendas are very clearly present,the Gov should’ve done this different obviously he wants to capitalize on the families grief….The laws were there the problem is they failed to close the loopholes on the existing laws,I’m worried about all the illegal guns…..Let’s face it how many times are the police on location when a gunfight/shots fired happen to actually do something,not trying to put them down just making a point…The damage is done now the politicians are running damage control for there lack of doing there job. Blame the NRA Penalize the Law abiding weapon owners, and watch what happens when this goes thru the crime rate is going to go thru the roof…….
1. “Enact the toughest assault weapons ban in the nation period” -One of the toughest assault weapons bans in the country didnt stop Adam Lanza in CT.
2. “Close the private sale loophole by requiring federal background checks”-Have the govt pay for it and make it easy to access as a private citizen. Knowing the govt, this will not run smoothly, you will be charged an insane amount for it, and it will be a large inconvenience.
3. “Ban high capacity magazines.”-No. Everyone knows that the “high capacity” magazines make killing lots of people easy meme is overblown by liberals who dont understand guns. A guy with a side by side could have caused just as much bloodshed in 20 mins (police response time in CT).
4. “Enact tougher penalties for illegal gun use,
guns on schools groundsand violent gangs.”-DUH (with my edit of course). When you put violent offenders behind bars, keep them there.5. “Keep guns from people who are mentally ill.”-This is a slippery slope. The current methods of diagnosing mental illness are not well understood, and it is quite easy to get several differing opinions from different professionals about the same symptoms.
6. “Ban internet sales of ammunition in New York.”-Yeah, criminals buy so much ammo for target practice that this will really stop them /sarc.
7. “Create a state NICS check on all ammunition purchases.”-back door ban on guns by making ammo prohibitively expensive. As said above, criminals use minimal amounts of ammo in the commission of their crimes, dont practice, and rarely buy their ammo legally anyway. This will only effect law abiding citizens.
Mexico banned guns and gee whiz, that is working out so well, now isn’t it?
Liberals do not trust their “fellow citizens” — for a very simple reason, they do NOT consider us to be “fellow citizens.” That phrase implies equality and they do not consider us equal to them in any way. They are uniformly arrogant and and self-involved. The do not consider us to me wrong by the way, they consider us unqualified to make decisions for our own lives; we simply are not smart enough, elite enough, nuanced enough, sophisticated enough, et al, to conduct our own lives without their control.
Frankly, I’m sick of it. I think we have reached the point where we cannot live together any longer and maybe secession is the answer. I KNOW the outcome would be different this time around.
I just read that my Governor, Jan Brewer, said she has zero interest in new gun laws. Damn good reason why I helped vote her back in.
As a Jewess in the US, I can only say that ANY anti-gun plan from an
ignoramus like Slow Joe Biden or his dirty Kenyan boss is bound to be a loser
idea. Certainly it will make all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST!
Both criminals and overbearing governments respect FIREPOWER, not sweet talk.
And remember that America wasn’t won with a registered gun!
-Wendy Weinbaum
That’s the spirit!
Why is it that liberals always seek to punish the law abiding citizen for the crimes of the criminals? Is Mr. Cuomo stupid enough to believe that criminals are going to register their ammo? He is either some kind of special stupid or he has a hidden agenda, or both.
Pay >$200k/yr in ny state income tax per year. This might be the final straw. Bloomberg with his soda size limits, cuomo with this nonsensical response to psychotics that will never follow laws. Elevated penalties for killing first responders has been floated. I’m sure that would have prevented a suicidal lunatic. There are 49 other states out there. 30-35 of which might still be habitable. Vote with feet. Out. Mag size from 10 to 7? Please
Dear Governor Cuomo,
I need my guns because unionized school teachers want to kill me.
Sincerely,
DB
Think it’ll work?
Pay >$200k/yr in ny state income tax per year. This might be the final straw. Bloomberg with his soda size limits, cuomo with this nonsensical response to psychotics that will never follow laws. Elevated penalties for killing first responders has been floated. I’m sure that would have prevented a suicidal lunatic. There are 49 other states out there. 30-35 of which might still be habitable. Vote with feet. Out. Mag size from 10 to 7? Please – these things are meaningless other than to irritate and limit the freedom of people that (until some of these take effect) follow laws.
I’d like to see other states that refuse to enact such silliness openly solicit the residents fleeing states like NY, like they do trying to lure businesses to move.
‘Some weapons are so dangerous and some ammunition devices so lethal that we simply cannot afford to continue selling them in our state,’
I guess they’ll be halting the sale of diesel fuel and fertilizer then.
LOL, was talking to a friend who works at a local pawn shop and he related the following. Several days ago, a customer came in and wanted a pistol so they processed it to the background check, what with the rush, it takes four days sometimes. He was told to come back and in four days, the check came back fine and he sold the pistol. Two hours later the BATF calls back and says “cancel that sale”, friend goes why? Well he is a felon of course!
That my friends is why the BATF has prosecuted less than 1% of the 1.83 mil felons and crazies rejected since 1994 because they cant get their own head out of their arse!
have the toughest gun laws in the nation?
it sounds to me like the governor of that failed social experiment cesspool wants to have his ego stroked. that would be utterly hilarious if it didnt screw over law abiding citizens.
i swear these psychopaths just do whatever they want simply because they can.
Did anybody on this forum vote for Barry Soetoro? Are you sorry now?
Sick, evil, libtards.
For some reason, anything after the “but” when these knuckleheads talk looks a heck of lot like “infringement” to me, as in “…the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Cheers! It’s perfect time to make some plans for the future and it is time to be happy.
CORRUPTION!!!