The ATF raid in National City, California has a lot of people worried. The company has sold 80 percent lowers to thousands of customers; buyers who assumed that the finished firearm would be untraceable. Unless Ares Armor destroyed their customer data, all of those weapons are now informationally compromised. Make the jump for another video of still images arranged into a timeline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWgU25sZwD0
These raids need to be met with gun owners protesting outside…
Well, that was anticlimactic as hell.
As with most movies, the original was better than the sequel. Hollywood really is out of ideas.
Hopefully this turns into a big payday for Ares.
Where are gun owners protesting this on the sidewalk???..
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There’s no need for me to respond much to that last bit. You’ve outed much of your thinking with your own words. My intent wasn’t to get you riled but, apparently, you’ve been hoisted with your own petard. That’s some messed up stuff there; you’re a statist with a completely skewed understanding of Liberty and empires. I wish you well.
I’m tired of all you armchair preachers talking about defending liberty and freedom. You have probably never done more than spew thought diarrhea from the safety of your home. I have actually fought and was wounded doing two tours in Afganistan for these freedoms and liberties that we all enjoy. What have you done? I hear all this shit and I don’t think any of you even have the smallest clue about really fighting for freedom and liberty. It’s easy to talk a big game, but when the time comes to get down most of you can’t put your money where your mouth is. I have a lot of dead friends that paid the ultimate price for your freedom. I don’t want to see them take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens either, but spare me the horse shit about fighting and defending freedom until you actually do it. By the way, you’re welcome and don’t fucking lecture me about the constitution I swore an oath to it!
And you,William Burke, are an uneducated idiot incapable of a decent response to the good people of Rabun County Georgia and North Carolina. Have you ever been there and gotten to know truly good people? They will survive after you are long gone.
WTF?
Hhhmmm, local police supporting the raid. I guess California has amnesty for illegal aliens but not for gun owners. Any lessons here for gun owners and immigration?
it is beyond my comprehension that a chunk of aluminum is contraband. yet this bureau approved the slidefire and stabilizing brace. why do these people even have a say in what we are ALLOWED to own.
furthermore, why the hell are there so many federal branches of bullshit? how many bureaus do we need? alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives.. those things have minor associations and none need much regulation. while we’re clusterfuching things together, why not have a bureau for Cats, Underwear, Nachos, and Tampons. surely this new bureau would be more necessary than the BATFE.
I don’t know. Personally, I think BATFE should be given Counterfeiting. Espionage and email Spam as well. Then they’d have trouble recruiting agents to BATFECES.
A civil war and violence are a bad idea IMO. A full-on civil war would destroy the republic and it would likely get replaced by a real, true tyranny as historically when representative systems of government break down, a tyranny takes the place. And there aren’t enough people in the country willing to fight a war against the government. If the government became a true tyranny like the Assad regime in Syria and was slaughtering people, then yeah, even the most hardcore gun control Democrats would likely take up arms and start fighting because whether it would be a tyranny or not would no longer be questionable. You’d have people across the political spectrum united against the tyranny with the main goal being to restore the republic. But the whole nation is not going to get riled up to fight over gun control.
the worst defense, is a static one, holed up in a house, trapped like a rat. sure you might make them pay, but myself, I am getting too old and crippled up to really move fast. The patriots will become the resistance, ambush and hit and run tactics.
I am sorry to piss anyone off, but I just cannot see this situation in CT spreading to the majority of the other States. Can you imagine the CT situation happening in Arizona, Alaska, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Montana, North Dakota, Idaho, Kentucky, Wyoming, Florida, just to name a few?
I am pretty sure California has had a LOT of unregistered firearms affected by the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989, but no confiscation campaign has ever been conducted. Meanwhile, California is flooded with “California-Compliant AR-15’s”, and plenty of places to shoot both “Registered” and “California-Compliant” rifles.
The situation in CT is extreme, and some people there may pay a high price for non-compliance with this onerous Law. Rather than engaging in useless bluster and posturing, we need to get behind our Pro Second Amendment Organizations and advocate for and finance further Appeals or new Lawsuits to get this Law overturned or changed.
While I am raining on peoples’ cloud, keep in mind a few key things:
> The People of CT elected Malloy and the State Legislators who enacted this Law.
> A U.S. District Court upheld the Law where upon it became binding to the People of CT.
> Those who ignored the Law, or waffled around and sent Applications after the “deadline”, now are in this sorry situation by their own choice.
> This Law never set-out to “confiscate” anything up front. The “confiscation” rhetoric is a consequence of possible enforcement scenarios, where arresting the non-complying owner is the primary objective, and “confiscating” property is merely the collection of evidence.
Reality is harsh. This Law clearly violates the Second Amendment. This Law has been enacted and “blessed” by a Court Ruling. Violating this Law will result in prosecution, possible imprisonment and other ugly consequences for some CT arms owners. None of that will cease to be reality because we don’t like it. Don’t let emotions run wild, like the “anti’s” do. Use your calm, calculating mind to reason-out how to put a stop to this oppression.
why would you need to get an account there to buy an 80% lower? do they take names/addresses at time of purchase? if its a cash sale doubt they’d do that. If that was me I’d delete that shit and give them the finger.
As bad as all this is, I am relieved to see a video where police aren’t trying to stop the people recording, or force them to stand far away on the grounds they are obstructing law enforcement or something similar.
In maybe a new record, it only took 3 posts before a cop-hater got in n this thread…
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” ~ John Locke
“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” -Ayn Rand
You said pencil skirt and had me….then I googled Sandra Manderson…. THANKS TTAG! /sarcasm
So they enter with rifles drawn? Really? Someone wants to play GI Joe today…
WTF is a full capacity assault rifle magazine. They keep inventing new crap everyday. Jeez
So, if you take the Constitution at face value, he has warned you that he doesn’t. Words only have the meanings he decides they have.
“Give me?”
From Gov. Moonbeam, to potentially this guy? Kalifornia truly is the land of fruits and nuts. Here’s a thought, keep the wine country, and give the rest back to Mexico.
I actually kind of like the idea of splitting the state into a northern and southern California. After all, it isn’t fair for one state to have that much land, resources, and electoral votes, they should “spread the wealth.” Sarcasm off/ In other news, we should get rid of the electoral college.
You could not POSSIBLY be more WRONG. Stop falling into the trap of the idiot libtard progressives.
Go find some reading material on the electoral college. Once more the founding fathers were/are correct and the demcrap party wrong.
What we need to do is repeal the 17th Amendment. As above – the libtard progressives with their marxist bilge out to destroy America and the founding fathers were/are correct.
In both cases the progressives program to destroy the balance of powers.
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There is nothing “libtard progressive” about my position regarding the electoral college. I am quite certain that I know what the Founding Fathers’ intentions were with the electoral college. The electoral college does not work today the way the Founding Father’s intended it to. There were only 13 states of similar population densities when the electoral college was instituted, not 50 with wildly ranging populations. Did you know that it is mathematically possible to win the electoral college with only 23% of the popular vote? The electoral college is not distributed correctly because it gives a minimum number of votes to each state before it begins distributing votes based on population. Accordingly, that means that you have some states that have more votes per capita than other states. Eliminating the electoral college would get rid of the battle ground states and actual make every person’s vote count. If you are conservative and live in California your vote doesn’t matter. Likewise, if you live in Texas and are a liberal, your presidential vote isn’t going to matter. The electoral college is making rural America less and less relevant because the candidates focus all their attention on the “battle ground states.” The election is basically won and lost each cycle based on how a handful of states lean. That is not working. What we need to do is turn to the Alternative Vote. This would actually give third party candidates a better shot and it would prevent the least desirable candidate from winning. If the Alternative Vote had been instituted in Virginia, Terry McAuliffe would not have won the Governor’s race. If you are unfamiliar with the Alternative Vote, go do some research. Also, before you accuse me of not being able to think for myself, go read this article here that I wrote and submitted to TTAG.
I also believe the 17th amendment should be repealed. The 16th is trickier, but I have a lot of ideas in that regard as well.
I guaranty that it doesn’t matter for most that made purchases, being that it was probably done on credit.
This was all a scam to shut down the business or at least cripple it.
You know that the Feds only need to do a quick request with VISA, Master Card and the ilk to retrieve a list of all purchases. Only the money transfers and cash sales would be new information from the raids.
There was 100% no logical reason for this unlawful raid, aside from harassment.
I wish I had the money to make a big order from Ares right now so I could show my support. The govt keeps shifting the goal posts on us. How can you even make a good faith effort to comply with the ATF’s river of shite if they can’t decide what their own rules are?
I have been a member of three ranges in northern New Jersey that have been closed down when previously undeveloped land around the range was developed and the new homeowners complained about noise and stray rounds. I think it is unfair to criticize the neighboring property owners. Since the range did not buy their property, it has no right to impose excessive noise on them or to use the adjoining property as a worst case backstop. The moral of the story is if you have a high power rifle shooting range to buy enough property. The NRA says 150 acres is the minimum. The surviving outdoor high power rifle ranges in northern NJ (Cherry Ridge and Central Jersey) are 1000 acres, plus or minus.
I think the term carpetbagger applies.
Let’s see. So, someone moves into an area knowing it’s noisy (let’s say it is an industrial process, not shooting) and THEN tries to impose their demand for silence on the private property owner there before them, and you are justifying that?
It boggles the mind.
Why does the second property owner have a greater right to control how the range owner uses their land on the basis that the range owner is someone imposing an inconvenience on the second property owner?
Just wow.
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The fact that these losers were out on the street a week later is by far the most depressing part of this story.
The problem is that it’s hard to vote for anyone when there’s a lot of issues that are important and everything has to be ‘single issue’ because of the stupid (non-proportional) political system we’ve got set up.
They should really call this “The Truth About The Judicial System.” I’d like to hear from some current/former attorneys on the subject of why it is that repeat offenders keep cycling into and out of jail.
I like to have a few hundred rounds minimum for my pistols just so I know if the stores out of stock I can still hit the range, for my mosin I like at least 60-100 rounds on hand, since god knows my shoulder gets angry with me if I shoot more than 20-30 per range trip. As for my shotgun, at least 20 rounds of buckshot, and and birdshot for range day I can pick up on range day, unless there’s a good sale going on.
And if people would learn how to reload, they could save substantial money and space over the sort of situation depicted above.
I can have 500 to 1000 rounds of loaded ammo, and enough powder, primers and pills to reload that 500 to 1K rounds 10 times over in less space than it would take to store 3K rounds.
Someday real soon anyone who conspires against the rights of the people while swearing an oath to uphold them will be GUILTY OF a Class A felony and sitting in a six by nine FULLY serving a 25 to life sentence.
If only our elected tapeworms here in NY were this honest…
I love my P227 equinox … 2 magazines, 10+1 full power .45AC
“how many people will be ordering “untraceable” 80% AR-15 lowers from Ares now”?
Well I just did, for no other reason than to show support for them and to give the ATF the finger.
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