Under current law, it’s not legal to touch a firearm in the state of Illinois without a Firearm Owner’s Identification card. This is an unnecessary hurdle to lawful gun ownership that the state of Illinois has erected to make the process of purchasing and owning a firearm more difficult and expensive.

And then there’s the fact that the Illinois State Police take months to process the applications for FOID cards and have been sued over the delays.

The FOID requirement is a clear violation of the right to keep and bear arms for residents of the Land of Lincoln. No other civil right requires a fee and state-issued permit in order to exercise it. Now an Illinois judge has agreed with that viewpoint, at least as far as guns owned and kept within the home are concerned.

Here’s the Second Amendment Foundation’s press release . . .

An Illinois Circuit Court Judge in White County has ruled the requirement for possessing a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card to possess a gun in the home is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case is known as Illinois v. Vivian Claudine Brown. Her case is supported by the Second Amendment Foundation and Illinois State Rifle Association. According to Brown’s attorney, David Sigale of Wheaton, Illinois, this is the second time a judge has declared the FOID Card Act unconstitutional, dismissing the charges against Brown, who had a bolt-action rifle in her home, but did not possess an FOID card.

“The FOID Card requirement in order to exercise the constitutionally enumerated right to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment clearly goes too far in this case,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. As White County Circuit Judge T. Scott Webb notes in his ruling, ‘It simply cannot be the case that a citizen must pay a fee in order to exercise a core individual Second Amendment right within their own home.’ For too long, Illinois has been treating this right like a regulated government privilege and that needs to stop.”

In his ruling, Judge Webb observed, “If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes.”

This second ruling on FOID card constitutionality could clear a direct path back to the Illinois State Supreme Court, Gottlieb and attorney Sigale agree.

“The idea that an Illinois resident doesn’t enjoy Second Amendment rights until he or she pays a $10 fee for a FOID card is outrageous,” Gottlieb said. “Nowhere should such a mandate be allowed to stand.”

The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 700,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

74 COMMENTS

  1. How in the world did the citizens ever allow such a law in the first place? What the Hell’s wrong with them.

    • We’ve only had this stupid card since 1968.

      Felonois and the state of New Jersey lead the nation and useless jacked up firearms requirements.

      Simply shameful.

        • Rand……… Sue to return the money and file civil rights violations against all that passed this “law” and all that enforced it including judges. All should serve 15 years in prison with no early out or parole. if this was done it would curb this b s in the future.

      • Wonder if this will make its way to NJ? Here we can’t possess firearms without a FOID card. If you had a FOID card, then moved to another address withing the state and didn’t update the address, technically your card is invalid and you cannot posses your already legally owned firearms until its been updated.

        • Jack, check with your gun lawyer (I did), because that’s not quite true. Here in New Jersey, you need an FPID card (Firearm PURCHASER Identification Card) to buy firearms, but not just to own them. Without an FPID card (say, if you lost yours), you can still own (possess) guns, keep them at your house, and transport them directly to and from your house and the gun club, gunsmith, gun store, or any FFL dealer (but no place else). If you move into New Jersey from another state, you currently don’t have to register your handguns or get an FPID card to keep your guns (although Governor Murphy wants to change that, being the gun-hating bigot and liberty-hating extremist that he is!)

          But even if you’re not planning on buying any more guns in New Jersey, just keeping the ones you already own, it’s still a good idea to have an FPID card, because it also serves as a permit to transport long guns anywhere you want in the trunk of your car, so theoretically it lets you have a “trunk gun” in your car all the time. I’m not saying that keeping a long gun in your trunk all the time is a good idea, but you COULD do it with an FPID card. It’s actually a bad idea, because thieves often steal guns from cars, and if you happen to park your car in a gun-free zone such as a school or workplace, you might be violating the law. Even if the huge 500-feet-from-a-school gun-free-school-zones were declared unconstitutional (were they?), you sure don’t want to have to explain to police why you were parked in a school zone with a rifle in your trunk! You’ll also make the nightly news if you do so, and not in a good way.

        • I lived, was educated in (post-graduate school), worked in and met and married my wife in NJ.

          On our honeymoon I spent 60 days with her in my home state of Texas touring the state. At the end of that time she decided to move to Texas instead of returning to NJ even though it meant separating from her family.

          We’ve been in Texas ever since (going on 40 years now). NJ, in all but the most rural areas, are pits of over-regulation and high taxes. In Texas, we both feel more free.

          I pity those who continue to live in NJ. So, does my wife.

    • I thought the FOID was already struck down a couple of years ago. How/why it was still in force is beyond me. But then, I already have my plate full dealing with our crazy gun laws here in CA, so I plead ignorance for IL.

        • renew now. i applied 10/19; recv’d renewal 12mo’s later.
          if your ccw is current your technically still legit until the new one arrives, but try explaining that to someone on harmfist or at gat’s.

      • It was, but it was written to only to her and not the people of the state.
        ” In February 2018, the White County Circuit Court sided with Brown and found the FOID card law unconstitutional when applied to her case. The state appealed directly to the Illinois Supreme Court a few months later. “

        • Ah, Illinois…Land of Libturdism….,er, Lincoln. My bad. How does a law apply unequally….especially concerning a Right…..to one person and not all other citizens???

    • If this is the same case that was sent back by an Illinois Appellate Court (or was it the Illinois Supreme Court?), this is the one where David Sigale threw out (abandoned) the challenge to the FOID Act for all Illinois gun owners and instead made the case all about Vivian Brown. I forget my legal terminology for that.

      In other words, this is good news, but it’s far from “you don’t need a FOID card as an Illinois resident anymore” decision.

      John

    • The Illinois FOID Card laws was largely pressured by the Kennedy family , big Chicago taxpayers (they owned the Merchandise Mart) because of the murder of Bobby Kennedy, and through of the influence they carried with then-mayor, Richard J. Daley

      As Illinois politics are controlled by the huge Democrat voting bloc of Chicago and Cook County, opponents of the FOID card legislation never had a chance.

      Although the liberals and Democrats constantly cry for more restrictive gun registration and
      screening of gun purchasers, it has been revealed that from every $10 FOID fee, only about
      $3 goes for it’s stated purpose, but the other $7 gets swallowed up in the bottomless sewer
      called “The General Fund.”

  2. And, in case anyone is really dense, here is a simple equivalent construction to make everything crystal clear:

    “The idea that an Illinois resident doesn’t enjoy Second First Amendment rights until he or she pays a $10 fee for a FOID state-issued speech or religion identification card card is outrageous.”

    • Here’s another one: Well-educated teachers being necessary to the process of education, the right of the people to keep and carry books shall not be infringed.

      Therefore, only teachers and librarians should be allowed to keep books or read them. Indiscriminate reading is to be discouraged, and NO ONE shall so much as touch a book unless he has paid the required fee and possesses a valid BOID card (book owner’s identification card, informally called a “library card”).

      • Do you think that’s why Obama’s kids in the hood find it easier to get a gun than a book? They don’t have BOID cards? Couldn’t pass the background check? Waiting periods?

        • Meanwhile, in some states, there are schools that have “book fairs” in the gymnasium, where kids can buy any book they want and just walk out and start reading — no background check, nothing. Just uncontrolled learning. This has to be stopped…for the sake of the children, please!

        • “Meanwhile, in some states…”

          Thank God this happens only in flyover country!

          /sarc

          Thank God some of us still have some semblance of freedom!

  3. So, a FOID will still be required when concealed carrying?

        • Start as in continue? But yes we have a few challenges at any given time its just what actually makes it and if we can get precedent in other circuits it makes a major decision more viable. We were hoping to have more to work with from the 9th circuit but that en banc was unfortunately predictable.

  4. Here in Texas, constitutional carry looks like it’ll soon pass the Senate (already passed the House) and head to the gov’s desk for signature.

    Darn it…I just paid the fee to renew my CC permit.

    • Good point. A fair demand of further lawsuits should include that the state refund the cost of cards, renewals and attorney costs to every citizen unconstitutionally forced to beg permission to exercise their constitutional rights.

    • Still advantages to keeping it, Ive kept mine since my state went constitutional. Makes buying guns faster, and you can carry in other states.

  5. Wonder why the staff at TTAG persists in not giving credit to NRA for these court victories?

    Without the NRA leading, none of the other, smaller, johnny come lately “gun rights” organizations would have anything to brag about. The refusal to give credit for all the ground-breaking lawsuits challenging 2A infringements, gun owners would have been disarmed, long ago.

    NRA is continuously reporting on how essential it is to have them leading the fight for our natural, human and civil rights. What is the justification for removing their name from reports of 2A victories in court?

    The only explanation I can think of is that TTAG exerting white privilege.

    Or something.

    • “The only explanation I can think of is that TTAG exerting white privilege.”

      It’s toxic male ammosexual privilege… 😉

    • Sam,

      I am a yuge fan of the NRA as a training organization – I possess several of their certificates as a trainer. And I agree that they have historically led several campaigns in favor of gun rights. OK, good on them for both of those things.

      OTOH, they have sold out the 2A community on everything from opposition to DiFi’s original “assault weapons ban”, to bump stocks, to silencers, etc., etc., etc. This, of course, in on top of Wayne LePew forcing our dues to pay for his suits, his side piece, his bachelor pad, and sprinkling NRA dues money on a plethora of his “buddies”.

      I WAS an NRA member. I was seriously considering making the switch to Life Membership. Glad I didn’t. Wayne can buy his own damn suits, and pay for his side piece himself.

      ANYONE who thinks that the NRA is really at the forefront of the current (surprisingly aggressive, but not aggressive enough) movement to protect the 2A is living in an alternate universe. Pray, explain to us – what, EXACTLY, did the NRA do to further the Illinois suit, or the NY suit? Oh, they filed amicus briefs – along with just about everyone else in the world. Big whoop!!

      I have no issue with the NRA, and I think they were (and could still be, if the refocused), the best training/safety organization in the country. If they go back to concentrating on that, they’ll have my support and dues. If they want to continue to pretend that funding Wayne’s lifestyle is somehow representing gun owners? Yeah, I’ll give my money to GOA, SAF, my state organizations, and a plethora of others who take this seriously. Wayne can go take a flying f*** at a rolling donut.

    • The way I remember it when I lived in Illinois is the NRA RAN away from this case.
      ISRA (The Illinois State Rifle Association and SAF (The Second Amendment Foundation) paid for attorneys or attorney.
      The NRA does not pursue cases where they have a chance to lose.
      This indeed is the case about Vivian Brown and paves the way for a IL Supreme Court challenge.
      I don’t care, I sent my FOID and CCW to the ISP when I moved out of Illinois.
      I got a letter saying to do it or be charged with a crime when I got my DL in my new state, not that Illinois could enforce it.
      They could however actually charge me and who needs that BS?
      Illinois has their $10 FOID and and $150 CCW back. It’s more with the CC fees.
      I’m just glad I’m out that state that I once proudly called home for 40 years.
      While this going on there is a bill that would require fingerprints to get a FOID card.
      Pay and get fingerprinted to exercise a constitutional RIGHT?
      Only in Illinois, JB Pritzker is just getting started taking away 2A rights.
      Illinois residents are fleeing the state, I wonder why?

      • When I first got my TX CHL, fingerprints were required and of course I had to pay for them. When I renewed 5 years later (4 years?) I had to be fingerprinted AGAIN! I tried to explain that fingerprints don’t change every few years, but I still had to pay for them again, too.

        None of these things were in any way real, the goals of almost everything involved was to delay, avoid, inconvenience and make more costly any expression of a Constitutional right. No one expected any positive result beyond fewer people with access to a firearm.

  6. Keep hammering these petty tyrants. Give to GOA and the SAF. Buy more guns and ammo. Encourage others to do the same. Keep hammering!

  7. You can’t say that…

    Unless you have your freedom of speech card you paid the state for, and a federal stamp you paid the government for. Even then, you must limit your speech to a 10 minute speaking period, and may only use words no shorter than 6 letters. 11 minute speeches and 7 letter words are a serious threat to the health of Americans.

    • But only in designated areas on the fourth Tuesday of months ending in “T” during even numbered years… (unless it’s an election year)…

    • Do you have a permit to speak in public or conceal your thoughts/words by pretending to not be able to speak?

  8. This victory doesn’t mean much at a relatively lower court in IL. It needs to work its way up to the IL Supreme Court and then to SCOTUS. If SCOTUS will take it.

    And then, on what basis? What would the Question Presented?

    $10?

    The prerequisite for a license to exercise a right established in Heller and McDonald?

    A felony penalty for neglecting to submit to the prerequisite of a license?

    I doubt that SCOTUS is likely to be interested in resolving any of these questions.

    More importantly, I doubt that the IL courts will want to carry this case any farther. If they simply accept the decision of this court then they do little damage to their own position. Very few people living in IL will defy the FOID law to save themselves $10 and the trouble of getting the card. Those who defy (or are negligent) will suffer the burden of defending themselves.

    • You really can’t defy a FOID in IL. You cannot but ammo without one. I can’t visit to move out of IL. Just 3 years left and my family will be moving.

  9. The simple question for the court is…Does the FOID card carry with it the stench of democRat Jim Crow Gun Control? Yes or No.

  10. I refuse to pay to speak. (or pray, or buy a gun, or peaceably assemble).

    I refuse to cower in the corner of my safe space, with a hankie to wipe my blubbering mouth and crying eyes. (like amost liberals)

    I refuse to acknowledge ANY authority that came to power illegally.(like most liberals)

    I refuse to allow anyone to do me or mine harm, without instant retaliation.

    I refuse to wear a mask, lock myself in my house, distance myself from anyone, or take a gubment provided jab.

    I refuse to believe pretty much everything from my gubment or weirdstream media.

    I am a REFUSENIK…..and my flag says, in big bold letters, MYOB….

    Man, I really feel better now… 🙂 🙂

    • “I refuse to wear a mask, lock myself in my house, distance myself from anyone, or take a gubment provided jab.”

      I’m guessing you don’t have any school-age children, Illinois has strict requirements for immunizations:

      “Immunization Requirements
      4 doses Tetanus/Diptheria/Pertussis.
      3 doses Polio.
      1 dose MMR.
      3 doses Hepatitis B.
      4 doses Hib titer.
      1 dose Varicella (chicken pox) vaccine.
      Pneumococcal series, or one dose after age 2.“

      Do you believe that polio, hepatitis, etc. are hoaxes like COVID-19?

  11. This story is almost click-bait. While you are done reading this story, look over here:
    https://www.thecentersquare.com/illinois/bill-requiring-fingerprints-for-foid-card-advances-in-illinois-house/article_9879a980-a3b5-11eb-b999-d709cfc2f049.html
    This is a victory for one woman only. The truth of the matter is Illinois is in for some more BS.
    Not only is the FOID NOT going away, it’s going to cost more and require fingerprints.
    That bill is because the Illinois State Police dropped the ball on one man.
    In typical Illinois fashion they deflect it to take away more rights of law abiding citizens.
    Since the democrats hold super majorities in both houses and the Governor is anti 2A,
    someone tell me how the people of Illinois are going to fight whats really happening?

    • Start by bulldozing Chicago into the lake. It will put a damper on the lake trout fishery for a couple generations, until all the crap has been silted over. But think of the upside—your rural counties will have a voice again, a stain on our nation will be removed, and US crime stats will plummet overnight.

  12. You really can’t defy a FOID in IL. You cannot but ammo without one. I can’t visit to move out of IL. Just 3 years left and my family will be moving.

  13. What if you can’t get a FOID at ANY cost? That is where we are right now. I know of people at over a year, there’s no rhyme or reason to it. It’s not horribly rare either. I’m not even talking CCP I’m talking FOID. No gun, no ammo in a time of extremely high uncertainty in many places especially those “vulnerable populations” Democrats claim to care so much about.

    The precedence is very important, as was once said open the door then rip the hinges off.

    • The reason behind it is because the money that was put into the IL State PD “firearm fund” to start the CCW process was spent by JB Pritzker. They stole millions from that fund but put in a new phone system for I think 50K?

      When IL was forced to issue CCWs the legislators at the time had to put seed money into that fund. When Pritzker got into office the first bill he signed got rid of about half of Illinois “tabletop” FFLs and some smaller LGS’s. Then he raided the “firearm fund” because of the Covid -19 “emergency”. He was allowed to do this under some “emergency powers act”.

      The way I’m hearing it is FOIDs are taking at least 6 months to get. I have no idea what the wait is for a CCW (either new or renewal) but I know there is no money to hire more workers to do background checks.
      The law says 30 days to issue a FOID and 90-120 for a CCW. The wait times aren’t even close to that and that’s why people are suing.

      The bills to actually make the FOID even more unconstitutional were put on hold because of Covid. When the legislators reconvene the price of a FOID is going up, the length of time it’s good for is going down, fingerprints will be required and I have no idea what they are going to do to gut the concealed carry act. (I actually do but I’m not going to help them write more restrictive laws) I know that Kathleen Willis with her expertise in gun violence (Her qualifications are she was a Kiwanis treasurer and is a hand picked lackey of Michael Madigan) is the one writing or presenting these bills. Since she was grilled by the republicans and had no idea what was in her bill I would say someone else is writing them. They attached her house bill to a senate bill trying pass a fast one. It got caught.

      In so many words that is why I moved from Illinois, it’s a state of the verge of bankruptcy and the Anti 2A governor holds all the power. Things will get much worse in Illinois, right now you cant get a move out of state for months. JB was mulling over the idea of an exit tax but I’m out of there so this all moot to me. I still have friends and family who live there. My nephew is making good money retrieving moving trucks from Tennessee. Last November my doctor moved out of the state and he had a good practice going.
      People are fleeing, Illinois even lost a seat in congress. The state of Illinois is a lost cause.

      • I have been waiting 266 days as of today for my FOID card. Applied August 18, 2020. Can’t get anyone to help me get it sooner. Still says “under review”. I cannot exercise my 2nd amendment rights!!

  14. And also happening new in Chit’cago…..

    USA TODAY
    ‘Eye-popping numbers’: Chicago sues Indiana gun store tied to 850 firearms recovered from crime scenes
    Grace Hauck, USA TODAY
    Tue, April 27, 2021, 2:51 PM
    CHICAGO – The city of Chicago filed a lawsuit Monday against a northern Indiana gun store it claims is one of the main sources of illicit firearms for the city’s criminal market.

    Westforth Sports, Inc. in Gary, Indiana, has “engaged in a pattern of illegal sales that has resulted in the flow of hundreds, if not thousands, of illegal firearms into the City of Chicago,” according to the lawsuit filed in the Circuit Court of Cook County.

    The suit, filed with the litigation arm of Everytown for Gun Safety Support Fund and the law firm Mayer Brown LLP, seeks “long overdue accountability” in the form of unspecified damages and an order requiring the store to cease practices contributing to gun trafficking.

    “I’ve worked tirelessly to reduce violence to keep our streets safe,” Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot said in a statement Monday. “Time and time again, however, it has become even more clear that holding accountable all those who contribute to gun violence here, regardless of where they are located, is key to our ability to create a safer Chicago.”

    Shootings rose nationwide last year amid the coronavirus pandemic and its economic fallout. In Chicago, Black and Latino neighborhoods bore the brunt of both epidemics. There were more than 3,200 shootings with more than 4,000 victims, according to Chicago police data.

    While the city has previously reported more firearm-related homicides than any other U.S. city, Chicago consistently reports a lower gun homicide rate, per capita, than other cities like Detroit, New Orleans and St. Louis.

    ‘They’re not forgotten’: America’s other epidemic killed 41,000 people this year

    Gun laws: Supreme Court takes case seeking to expand concealed-carry rights in public places

    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot presides over the Chicago City Council meeting at City Hall, Wednesday morning, April 21, 2021. Wednesday marked the first in-person council meeting since the start of the coronavirus pandemic more than a year ago.
    Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot presides over the Chicago City Council meeting at City Hall, Wednesday morning, April 21, 2021. Wednesday marked the first in-person council meeting since the start of the coronavirus pandemic more than a year ago.
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    The lawsuit alleges Westforth Sports “feeds the market for illegal firearms by knowingly selling its products to an ever-changing roster of gun traffickers and straw (sham) purchasers who transport Westforth’s guns from Indiana into Chicago, where they are resold to individuals who cannot legally possess firearms, including convicted felons and drug traffickers.”

    Westforth Sports did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    According to the complaint, studies of firearms recovered by law enforcement between 2009 and 2016 “consistently rank Westforth as the highest out-of-state supplier of crime guns in the city, responsible for more than 850 recovered crime guns over this period.”

    The lawsuit alleges that a review of federal prosecutions from December 2014 to April 2021 for illegal gun purchases in the Northern District of Indiana revealed approximately 44% of the cases involved sales at Westforth Sports. The documents, according to the lawsuit, show Westforth Sports is known to have sold at least 180 guns to at least 40 people later charged with federal crimes in connection with the purchases.

    One man, 24-year-old Darryl Ivery Jr., purchased 19 handguns from Westforth Sports over the course of seven months in 2020, according to the lawsuit. Ivery purchased ten guns in multiple sale transactions, and nine others at intervals designed to avoid federal reporting requirements. All but one was sold to buyers in Chicago, according to the lawsuit.

    One gun sold to another buyer was recovered by Chicago police just a month after the purchase at Westforth, according to the lawsuit. In a separate incident, law enforcement recovered two guns just a day after Westforth sold them, according to the lawsuit. More than 40% of the Westforth crime guns recovered in Chicago between 2009 and 2016 had a time-to-crime of less than three years, according to the lawsuit.

    “These eye-popping numbers are not the result of bad luck or coincidence or location,” the complaint says. “They are the natural and predictable outcome of a business model that ignores the federal laws and regulations that are intended to keep the public safe.”

    Gun reform: Biden looks to stem ‘ghost guns,’ unveils other steps to curb gun violence ‘epidemic’

    Gun laws: Many states were already advancing new gun rules this year, even before recent mass shootings

    The majority of illegally used or possessed firearms recovered in Chicago are traced back to states with less regulation over firearms, such as Indiana and Mississippi, according to a 2017 city report. Indiana is the primary source for approximately one out of every five crime guns, the report found.

    Alla Lefkowitz, director of affirmative litigation for Everytown Law, said the lawsuit “should be a wake-up call” to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to “take long-overdue action against Westforth to protect the public.”

    “The ATF has cited Westforth over and over again for violating federal gun regulations, including for selling to straw purchasers. ATF inspectors twice recommended that Westforth’s gun dealer license be revoked,” Lefkowitz said in a statement. “When this many crime guns are traced back to a single dealer, it raises serious questions about how that dealer does business, and in this case you don’t have to look far for the answer.”

  15. Article not correctly presenting the judge’s ruling?? “In his ruling, Judge Webb observed, “If the right to bear arms and self-defense are truly core rights, there should be no burden on the citizenry to enjoy those rights, especially within the confines and privacy of their own homes.”

    “….especially within confines of their own homes.” “Especially” indicates outside home and “especially” within own home. Omitting “especially” changes meaning to “only” within own home.

  16. Ah, Westforth Sports. one bad actor business and all The Little Peeps must be penalized, punished. Could Westforth be a Deep State operation as in earlier Fast and Furious fame???

  17. @hawkeye
    “I don’t think so Sam. “Or something.” made your intention clear to me.”

    Not long ago, providing a dead giveaway wasn’t necessary. Sorta like if you have to explain the joke, it wasn’t funny.

    Hope you enjoyed the gag.

    • I did.

      Having a sense of humor is even more important these days, with so many people on the prod. Relax people, read what is written, and then what may be between the lines, and then respond appropriately, rather than skim and react.

      One of my nieces and her boyfriend were married last year early in the covid cycle, at a very small ceremony. They waited until this past fall season to have a reception for the family, because of all the weirdness going on. One relative, her uncle “Jim” from her mother’s side and a long time family friend of ours, brought his family from out of state (where they were drowning in covid restrictions). He was wearing a face mask that was hand crafted from cloth with a camouflage pattern, and he had a reputation for being a stickler for following the covid rules. We were sitting together at a table, along with his brother, catching up. New Nephew was working the room, and when he made his way over to our table, he exclaimed in a shocked voice, “Jim! Where’s your mask?” “Jim’s” eyes widened in horror, and he slapped his hand to his mouth to feel for cloth, and of course felt the mask, and then realized the joke. We’re a bunch of funsters, and New Nephew brought down the house. I told the young man that was a perfect introduction to the family, and he will do to rid the river with.

      Relax, people.

  18. Perhaps an issue that Boch could address.

    Rock Island Auction is a pretty good organization from all that I understand (have not purchased from them but have some awesome stuff in their auctions).

    I note from current auction listings (Ammunition) – “NOTE: Will ship to FFL’s only. If picking up must have FOID or FFL. All state and local laws apply.”

    BULLSHIT – as not a resident of Communist Ill it is not possible to have one of their BS “FOID” POS. The Ill Supreme Court has ruled resident can’t be required to have a BD “FOID” just to possess a gun/ammo.

    SO is RIA enforcing some BS State of Ill law/reg or just making shit up? As a seller I’d certainly dislike shut crap that suppresses bidders for my lot (depresses bids/selling price).

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