There’s sad news out of Colorado. The magazine capacity limit bill has been passed by both the house and senate, meaning the only thing between it becoming law is another vote in the house (where it already passed once) and the Governor’s signature (which he has said he will affix should the legislation pass). There was an intense effort by gun rights supporters to keep the bill from passing, but the urge to “do something” to “stop gun violence” in the Democrat controlled state proved too powerful. TheDenverChannel.com has more . . .
Lawmakers who voted no during previous votes were concerned that the bill would not reduce violence and will hurt a Colorado manufacturer of magazines. Monday, it passed by a vote of 18-17.
– House Bill 1228 would revive fee payments for gun purchasers who need background checks. Having been previously approved by the House, it now goes to Governor John Hickenlooper’s desk for a signature.
– House Bill 1229 would add a background-check requirement for many guns sold in private transactions. The bill has been approved by the state House. It now goes to Governor Hickenlooper. Hickenlooper is expected to sign the bill.
– Senate Bill 195 would require people seeking concealed carry permits to take gun training courses in person. People can currently take online courses. That bill now goes to the state House.
– Senate Bill 197 would require courts to order anyone subject to a domestic violence protection order or convicted of domestic violence to relinquish their guns within 24 hours. A judge could extend that to 72 hours. That bill also goes to the state House.
The only two pieces of legislation pulled from consideration were a ban on concealed carry on college campuses and a bill making “assault weapons” owners and “sellers” liable for their product’s use.
The magazine capacity limitation legislation passed by a single vote.
[UPDATE:] The original title of this article indicated that the mag capacity limit was headed directly to the Governor for signature, and was based on the crappy reporting of the original source. Based on additional sources, it looks like some amendments were made to the bill, meaning that it still needs to pass another house vote. However, due to the previous passage, the chances for it being stopped from getting to the Governor’s desk are slim to none.
Eh, who needs to partake in part of the Democratic process when it isn’t convenient? That whole thing about representing their constituents is antiquated anyway, just like the 2nd Amendment.
Wait, no. That’s not right. What I meant to say was: LISTEN MOTHERF^<€ER, YOU WORK FOR US!!! YOU DON'T TELL US WHAT TO DO, WE TELL YOU WHAT WE WANT AND YOU GO AND MAKE IT HAPPEN! AM I CRYSTAL F@#%ING CLEAR!? YOU PLAY BY THE SAME RULES WE DO AND ARE BOUND BY THE SAME CODE OF CONDUCT CALLED THE CONSTITUTION! I swear to God these people are like 8 year olds who don't wanna eat their vegetables. Eat 'em, and when you're stronger for it one day you'll thank us! Assbags man, all of 'em…
Maybe that’s why he’s being recalled.
too early to say soda drinking constituents won. they plan to appeal this and with enough money coming out of bloomberg’s ears, it’s a toss up still.
I once ignored the people I worked for. It lead to a sudden and major career change.
Fienstien has been doing this for years. The lady does what she wants and has so many lobbyist on her side we cant get rid of her.
It seems to be the Democrat way to deal with those who disagree.
As a NJ resident, I feel for my Colorado brothers.
Frankly I think any elected official who takes this advice or this approach should be recalled. This is appalling.
We’re waiting for you Jan, honey.
9mm/38spc/45acp/25auto/22lr/22mag/7.62x54r/270/25-06/12ga/anything else I can get.
You can never have enough ammo because yelling Bang won’t kill your attacker with laughter!!
Yup… A little revolution is pretty much a given at this point, IMO…
I got an email reply from one of my representatives. In my email I expressed my opposition for a variety of gun control measures, and this email was a form email thanking me for my support for various draconian gun control measures…
Politicians who don’t give a sh!t + a pissed off populace who are being ignored = a very bad combination…
BITCH!!!
What the hell is everyone smoking in Colorado ???…Who are these asswipe politicians & who voted them in ???…You couldn’t pay me ANY amount of money to move to Colorado…..LOVE YOUR COUNTRY – FEAR YOUR GOVERNMENT !
“What the hell is everyone smoking in Colorado?”
Heh heh.
Isn’t he term limited? I think Colorado state senators only get two four-year terms. That would mean this doofus (first elected 2006) is out next year regardless. No wonder he is giving the finger to his constituents.
Hope the recall works.
everybody knows once they vote you in you don’t have to listen to your constituents
in the south this guy would have about 100 t-shirts sent to him with a bullseye on the front and back
It’s shocking that in America, a politician can say this and make it home safely at night. And depressing.
I love how he kept re-directing back to “the bills currently being worked-up in the senate judiciary committee.” Nice. His handlers taught him well.
Really looking forward to reading about this. Congrats, Nick.
For all the Colorado folks who are understandably in various stages of despair and are now thinking about leaving the state, a plea.
Please do not abandon your great state. Please stay and fight. They may have won this battle, but the tide of the war is still on our side.
Remember our recent legislative victories. Consider the wave of concealed carry and castle doctrine laws that have swept the nation. Consider the fate of the cornerstone federal anti-gun legislation introduced this year. Consider how your brothers are pushing back in New York.
This is just a setback, and one that we can overcome if you stay and fight.
If we abandon the front lines, the enemy will only try to push the lines further.
It is right and necessary that Magpul abandons your state, but please stay and fight. Ensure that these legislators are not re-elected. Ensure that these laws are repealed.
I don’t have a vote in Colorado, Minnesota, or New York, but you can bet that I have and will continue to send financial support for the fight as long as there are people who remain to fight.
If your a gun shop owner tell this jerk when he come into your gun store to get the blank OUT!!! Spit at him if you can.
No. Simply put, NO! No more government interference. We have already given in to “common sense” gun laws too many times. No more. Enough is enough. “Shall Not Be Infringed” does not equal 20,000+ gun laws already on the books.
good. i hope it wears on your psyche. maybe youll have a mental breakdown and i will be happy to hear about it.
“Gabby and I are supporters of the 2nd amendment”
Nope.
The Kelly/Giffords may well be supporters of the 2A, but they are reaping a metric ton of cash to say otherwise. One word explains everything in this situation: money.
http://www.dbackpolice.com/contact_us.php this is the store he bought his AR15 at. Anyone at diamondback wanna give us your side of the story? And are you going to cancel the sale? If u do I will pay you $100 more then mark did. And you will not have me using you in my gun grabbing program.
Sounds like damage control to me.
Another case of the Big City syndrome, just like NY and IL, separating the state from these cesspools of filth would solve many problems. I believe that will be in our futures; free states independent of the cancer that dwells nearby.
What a hypocrite. He says he supports the 2nd Amendment but, it is too easy to buy a firearm. It should be too easy for a law abiding citizen to buy a firearm. That is what the 2nd Amendment guarantees.
Enforce the laws we already have. Make it too hard for criminals. Leave the rest of us alone.
“inequality, violence, and fear” Aren’t these the cornerstones of the progressive ideology?
She’s more right than she knows. The fight for gun rights did indeed begin with inequality (gun control to prevent blacks from arming), violence (the butchering of colonists and attempt to disarm them), and fear (of the very real threat criminals and our government pose).
I tell you what, moron. You walk down the streets of gun-free Chicago then walk through any gun show in the US and tell me where you experience more violence, fear, and inequality. Yet another “opinion” from someone who has never experienced the true gun culture but feels the need to voice her worthless, feeble mind anyway.
Having read the article, it sounds to me like someone needs to read “Why the Gun is Civilization.” By Marko Kloos
Far too many sociology Ph.D.s being produced for far too few jobs. She jumped on the hot political topic of the day, and it landed her a tenure track job. She hit all the right social criticism buzzwords. Cal Berkeley stamp of approval, grade AAA. Yet another budding young leftist released into the world of academia. Nothing to see here. Move on.
Let’s have a national *conversation* about all kinds of tools. Americans are not alone in trying to choose the right tool for the job. Choosing the right tool for the job is *common sense.*
Did you know that people all over the world use scissors to cut paper? Use rulers to measure short distances? Use sewing machines to attach pieces of fabric to one another? Use hammers to drive nails? Use safety glasses to protect their eyes?
Why should we be surprised that humans worldwide choose the most efficient tool available for protecting themselves from bad guys?
Simply ask, “Am I being detained?’ If they say no (regardles if you are in handcuffs) say, then I am leaving. If they refuse, get a lawyer and sue the pants of them for a 4th amendment civil rights violation.
If they say yes, ask “What for?”. If they refuse to answer, ask for your lawyer and STFU.
Look at the bright side. They gave him his rifle back. I think he has grounds for a lawsuit here. Once they established that he was going to follow the law they had no cause to detain him.
I know there are quite a few people here who want to stick it to the man but my advice to anybody who wishes to legally transfer a firearm in hostile political and legal environment do the transaction at a range or, if they will let you, an FFL That way you have lots of witnesses to the transaction and the authorities will be less willing pull this kind of $hit.
It’s a pretty dumb idea to meet someone that you don’t know alone in place where people are not in close proximity to you. A parking lot generally does not fit that description.
If it is legal, private citizens need to start setting up stings with anti-gun local politicians or sheriffs enticing them with a seductive woman while secretly recording the event. Later, post the video on youtube for entertainment.
Why #4 or 00 buck only? #1 has been gaining popularity as a home defense load.
THESE GUN CONTROL PEOPLE ARE A SERIOUS THREAT TO THIS COUNTRY, IF THESE ATTACKS CONTINUE, AND THESE FOOLS GET THERE WAY, THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO HELL
I am, I suppose, a gun moderate, and I think there are a couple of issues here.
First off, I’m not feeling threatened. Assault weapon bans, magazine caps, universal background checks don’t bother me. I don’t think the first two really fix any problems out there, but they don’t bother me. I keep an eye on the national level stuff, and if I see something that looks like a legitimate threat, I’ll communicate with my senators/representatives. I don’t worry about what happens in NY, as they are already fairly compromised, and seem to be happy with it.
Second, the people that are visibly passionate and active about this turn me off. If someone starts spouting Molon Labe, I’m going to write them off. I don’t think there is a gun grab going to happen. Who is going to do it? Are they capable of it? If something like that was possible, why don’t they test run it in Afghanistan?
I don’t see a lot of reasonable information from the pro-gun side. I see nonsense about DHS purchasing procedures, and rumours of DHS buying 2000 plus MRAP vehicles, with NO journalistic sourcing.
The guy further up the reply list with the idea to protest with high capacity magazines is on the right track. The current faces of the pro gun movement are unappealing. I’m not getting behind Ted Nugent, hes a raving nutter, and a jerk.
At my LGS they have a variety of the Pietta’s and they sell for about 520-550. A late freind of mine had a Ruger, a Pietta and a Colt, all in .45 colt. Shooting results were pretty much the same with all.
Barrels are certainly difficult to make well, but they’re not impossible to make with improvised machines. You’d need to modify an engine lathe to achieve some very low feeds (in the tenths of thousandths of an inch per turn) and you’d need a lube/coolant pump capable of a couple hundred PSI. You’d ideally like a headstock through which you could put the barrel blank to be drilled/reamed/rifled.
What people need to understand about drilling a deep hole is that it becomes more difficult the smaller the hole diameter. For most beginners, I’d tell them to forget trying to make a .223 barrel and concentrate on much simpler arms to make – starting with a .45-70 cartridge, for example, or a .50-70 cartridge. Go back to the old days…
When you’re working with a .45 or .50 bore, now your tooling is larger and easier to make by hand. Making a single-point rifling hook cutter for a .22/.223 barrel isn’t easy and most people who don’t know how to drive a file and a stone are going to make a complete hash of a perfectly good piece of steel with their lame attempts at tooling for small bores. Start big. It really is easier.
For determining rifling rates, learn about sine bars. Go look at an early Pratt & Whitney rifling machine to see how sine bars work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvnKSfDUCWY
The old P&W machines are really the basis for much of the custom rifle barrel industry today. Most of the industrial-quantity barrels are now made by cold forging the barrels down on a pre-splined mandrel, so you get size, a tooling-mark free bore and rifling all in one shot. Sadly, you also get a barrel that has a great gob of stress bound up in it, so as it heats up your POI wanders to and fro… which doesn’t matter for the majority of shooters of these barrels, because they’re not terribly concerned with accuracy anyway.
For those who don’t think it possible, I recommend you go read up on one of the more curious figures in the history of American guns, Harry Pope.
Sexy sexy weapons that will never be legal here in the US 🙁
I want a real G36 so bad, I would sell my truck to get one!
The best part about the SAFE act is that I feel safer. Probably how Californians feel, too.
California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms
Bloomberg – March 11, 2013
Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.
Merely being in a database of registered gun owners and having a “disqualifying event,” such as a felony conviction or restraining order, isn’t sufficient evidence for a search warrant, Marsh said March 5 during raids in San Bernardino County. So the agents often must talk their way into a residence to look for weapons, he said.
At a house in Fontana, agents were looking for a gun owner with a criminal history of a sex offense, pimping, according to the attorney general’s office. Marsh said that while the woman appeared to be home, they got no answer at the door. Without a warrant, the agents couldn’t enter and had to leave empty- handed.
They had better luck in nearby Upland, where they seized three guns from the home of Lynette Phillips, 48, who’d been hospitalized for mental illness, and her husband, David. One gun was registered to her, two to him.
“The prohibited person can’t have access to a firearm,” regardless of who the registered owner is, said Michelle Gregory, a spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office.
Would so many come to defend the FD if they went around setting fires just so they could have something to put out?
I’m still puzzled by this one. Should he prevail (which according to many lawyers is unlikely) all Cuomo would need to do was resubmit the bill, wait three days, and we’re back where we are now.
It sounds like their heart is in the right place, but I sincerely hope the execution of the legal challenge is sound. Like others, I’m concerned that an unsuccessful challenge could set things back even further for gun owners. With that being said, the SAFE Act definitely needs to be fought in the courts.
Just because the rat has a name doesn’t mean he’s not pictured above….
under the new (proposed) maryland law one needs a safety class to get a firearm license, and a firearm to take a safety class . One can (theoretically) rent it from the owner on premises however, this would appear to mean that just to take the safety class, one needs a background check. gee, i wondered why the R were against it. (that last bit was sarcrasm).
So, nothing surprising.
Scar 17S! Next question please.
Chuckie is an idiot, but he’s not stupid. He knows this bill has a snowball’s chance and it’s sole purpose is to gain him points with his constituants. As has been pointed out by RF and Nick on this site, the shear weight of alll the newly required checks would rapidly crash whatever system they managed to put in place anyway, which would effectively enact gun control since no one could get a NICS and so could not transfer a weapon.
Meanwhile, as also discussed here, THIS IS A POLL TAX! This bill and its provisions are unconstitutional on their face and in the unlikely event it did get passed the lawsuits and injuncctions would be filed before the ink from BHO’s pen was dry. You would think a supposed constitutional scholar would understand the implications of allowing the government to tax a right guaranteed by the consitution, but ideology does tend to make you blind to logic. “The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.”
If any government agency at any level is allowed to determine what level of education and training you MUST have and how much of a tax you MUST pay before you can buy, own, or use a firearm, then this is no longer a right the government may not infringe, it is a right the government has the privilage of giving or taking away, as the government sees fit.
Let the 2A go and the precident is set and no other of the Bill of Rights is safe from government intrusion.
If this law passes – as written, rewritten or even as a shell of the original proposal, it will be the absolute definition of tyrannical government.
Mr. Shumer would be wise to let this die in a committee – hell hath no fury like armed and pissed off patriots.
This bill would be struck down very quickly. Several fascist states, like New Jersey and Conneneticut, place destination restrictions on transporting a firearm in your car, even if unloaded and locked up. So you go camping and…wait, either you leave it at home and felony, or put it in your trunk and felony… there are so many legal problems like that, it isn’t funny.
Here is the thing, when your bill makes CA law look reasonable by comparison, you did something wrong. California requires background checks on most private party transfers, but besides the fact that I can drive around without restriction with guns stored in the car, the law explicitly allows me to lend firearms for up to a month (longer if for hunting and during the season), provided I don’t have reason to believe that the person is a prohibited person and I know the person. If I don’t know them, they can still borrow it in my presence. And the set transfer fee is $35, $25 of which is just the same background check fee we always pay. So really $10.
Well, “noob” is “boon” spelled backwards! See what I did there?
Your stupid and blind, Diane Feinstein must be a wonderful person. Shallow thinking is how we lose.
Checked youtube for more. This guy gives the ultimate torture tests . Not the pansy mud and sand and then shoot torture tests. This one is a doozy. He fills his AK with fruit cake and shoots it out. Now I know what to do with all that fruitcake I don’t wanna eat this Christmas.
http://youtu.be/TEWAbN938Ro
You mention you were considering switching handguns before the rep just gave you a nice new fancy one. Care to enlighten us what you were thinking about switching to?
At least they got Flat Dark Earth Magpul furniture for their rifles to match their camo, nobody wants militarized police that don’t match…
He does not enjoy his 2nd A Rights but the power of Life and Death over his Disarmed Victims that excites him
Thank you, Michael Moore, for reminding me why I joined the NRA a couple weeks ago. Their Glenn Beck booking had me almost immediately regretting giving them my money, but Moore illustrates perfectly why it was a good thing.
Like it or not, the NRA is the point man on our side. The SAF and GOA do great work, but they don’t have the profile the NRA does, so the NRA takes all the heat from idiots like Moore. For that reason alone, it’s probably worth supporting them so groups like the GOA and SAF can do their work without having to deal so much with crackpots like this.
Gotta keep showing some of my friends these stories. Unfortunatly some still have their blinders on. A few are just to stubborn to realize the direction things are going but stories like this help out big time. Keep em comin RF.
flamesuit on/
If you are too dangerous to own a gun, you are too dangerous to be free in society.