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BREAKING: Colorado House Passes All Gun Control Bills

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The Democrat-controlled (37-28) Colorado House of Representatives had four gun control bills on its docket for final passage today. HB 1229 requires universal background checks. HB1226 revokes campus carry. HB 1228 passes the cost of running CBI background checks on to prospective gun buyers and HB1224 would limit magazine capacity to 15 rounds. Given the heavy Dem majority, no one expected any of the four civilian disarmament bills to be defeated and no one’s expectations were dashed. All four were approved with varying numbers of Dem defectors voting no . . .

But all four attracted enough hard-line votes to pass. Typical of the thinking among the Centennial state civilian disarmers was this comment, reported by denverpost.com, on outlawing campus carry: 

“There are a lot of students who simply are not ready to be in the presence of firearms,” said Rep. Claire Levy, D-Boulder, the sponsor of the bill. “It’s a dangerous mix.”

The campus carry ban passed 34-31. Charging gun buyers between $5 and $12 for CBI background checks made it by a slim 33-32 margin. Universal background checks proved more popular, causing only one Democrat to vote no. That bill passed 36-29.

Finally, the House also passed the Magpul GTFO magazine limit bill, 34-31. Magpul has threatened to move its large and growing operation out of Colorado if the bill becomes law. All four bills will now move onto the Democrat-controlled Senate where they’re expected to pass.

Governor John Hickenlooper has expressed support for universal background checks, charging gun buyers and magazine capacity limits. He’s waffled on the campus carry ban, but look for him to go four for four when the bills hit his desk. Let the bidding among free states to be Magpul’s new home begin.

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  1. Cheaper Than Dirt has always been nowhere near cheap. I have no idea how they have stayed in business, when just about everyone else has better prices and better service.

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  2. Dan, I think you’re way off base. The exhange between TTAG readers and CTD was NOT dysfunctional. CTD made a poor business decision by taking advantage of a crisis to increase prices (aka “gouging”). TTAG readers made a concious decision not to to support CTD in their endeavors. We used the only voice available to us—the pocketbook (something CTD obviously values). They made a decision and we made a statement—nothing dysunctional about that.

    As to your point that we should go back to business as usual for what will we gain if they go under? In a nutshell, other companies will understand that while we certainly support those that are with us in our cause, there is a Rubicon which must not be crossed. As children we always pushed the envelope to know just how much our parents would put up with. Allowing CTD to continue to flounder will answer that question for other manufacturers/sellers that are wondering if they should start charging $99 for PMAGS.

    JMHO. (oh, and in case it isn’t clear, I won’t be supporting CTD anytime soon).

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  3. To CTD — I hope your reading this. You can still FOAD!

    There is this thing called markets, and I can go and purchase where ever I want and your not it. Your prices suck, your shipping sucks and you where not straight with your customers. I vote with my dollars, and none of those dollars are for you.

    Really, it is that simple, I don’t like you, I don’t like how you do business, I don’t need to purchase from you because there are many more options. You made your bed, now lay in it — done!

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  4. My problem with them is their entire ethos as a company, which is a bait-and-switch marketing operation. The name “Cheaper Than Dirt” embodies this very issue as they’re clearly not a discount retailer. Rather than focusing on delivering value, they prefer to sell low-quality products at high prices and capitalize on the ignorance of their customers. I don’t begrudge them their right to run their business as they see fit, but I won’t patronize a business that’s run that way.

    If this weren’t bad enough, over many years they’ve refused to sell legal items to ban states, making it clear that they had no desire to help people behind enemy lines. I’m talking about perfectly legal, uncontrolled items such as stocks and grips. This has been discussed extensively in online forums where they have participated so it’s not like they’re not aware of the issue, and yet it persists.

    I think it’s nice that they may be changing their political stance and I thank them for their small contribution to the cause, but they’re going to have to do a lot more to earn my trust. There are a lot of vendors of gun gear out there and I have no trouble finding what I want at better prices than what CTD offers.

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  5. I’m sure Magpul has their plan ready… shall we take bets as to where they’ll move? I’m guessing Utah.

    Sad that the regular people in Colorado are being ignored by their government.

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    • Texas seems more likely. Even if there’s eventually a national ban, the Supreme Court might allow a loophole for components sold within the state they’re made. Texas has a much bigger market than Utah, or any other state that’s likely to go this route.

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  6. I *was* in a forgiving mood this Sat when I wandered in there for another spam can of mil-surp Mosin ammo and a pair of 1″ scope rings. $179.99!!!!???? I walked out with a pair of scope rings, comforted by the two mil-surp spam cans I already have at home (yeah, I love shooting my Mosins … a lot). They made a $10 sale when they could have made a $110 sale. No hard feelings necessarily, just no thanks.

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  7. The background tax may be struck down as part of TABOR. Hopefully the universal background check registration will as well. The ban on campus carry will probably also makes its way (back) to the CO SC.

    Hickenlooper seems to sway with the wind, and hopefully he can be convinced that the wind is blowing hard against this tyranny. He has harped frequently on his recent success in bringing jobs to the state and growing the economy; losing several highly profitable companies and over a thousand jobs will put a firm stake in that idea.

    More importantly, people need to remember this garbage in two years.

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  8. I’m certainly pretty bummed about it. For anyone in the area, the NRA ILA is hosting a meeting in Littleton on 2/26 to develop local plans.

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    • 2/26? Jesus, what is wrong with the NRA? This thing is moving quick.

      The NRA does realize it’s not 1970 anymore, right? You can get word out and get people together in days, not a week and a half. If there’s a slim chance of this being stopped in the Senate or at the Governor’s desk, not a single day should be wasted.

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  9. Forgive? Never. Forget? what was i talking about??? already, IF they can be competitive in the market………….in other words…..when they are REALLY cheaper than dirt!

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  10. I don’t see it as “throwing fits” to express dissatisfaction with a company for shenanigans. There are too many good options for spending my money to want to deal with a company that does business the way CTD appears to have done. I say “appears” because all we’ve seen is the end result of discontinuing firearms sales, then restarting all except certain types with no explanation, and raising prices in a manner that would suggest trying to profit off market panic. No explanation from the company that I’ve seen. I’ve not seen this behavior from any other company I deal with, and those are the ones with whom I will continue to do business. I was even able to buy a pair of Colt standarad-capacity AR-15 mags from my LGS about a month ago for the same price they were selling them before everything went nuts. They could have increased the price 30-50% or even more and still moved them quickly. But they didn’t. And they certainly didn’t raise the price 400%. That’s the kind of business where I’ll spend my money. No tantrum involved.

    I don’t consider the consumers’ response toward CTD as dysfunctional at all. I think it’s just an example of the free market at work. That, to me, is about as far from dysfunctional as you can get.

    Can I ever forgive CTD and do business with them again? Possibly. But it’s going to take some time before I’m willing to give them another look. I’m not throwing any fits; I’m just making what I feel are principled and economic choices, same as many of the others that have spoken up on this issue.

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  11. Call me annoying if you want, but I’m only presenting facts here.

    I understand how maddening high prices during a shortage can be, but if government schools bothered to teach basic economics, we might very well have a better situation by now with ammo and gun supplies.

    “Price gouging” is a baited term in the same way that “assault weapons” is. The most basic law of economics is supply and demand. When demand goes up dramatically, the supply can’t follow in this case. Not immediately. So it should be perceived as natural that the prices go up.

    If sellers and manufactures were more “greedy” (another B.S. term) and priced their goods to what the market would bear (like they do and did during normal times) then we’d all see ammo on the shelves. Sure, the prices would suck big time ass, but they would be selling at roughly the same pace as before because they priced them to the market.

    I’m guilty of buying some WWB 9mm at Walmart a month ago at regular price (!) not realizing how lucky I was to see it there. I’m sure it was gone within hours. Had it been priced to market no way I would have bought it because I have a full supply.

    A lot of people who don’t really need ammo have been buying simply out of fear. I feel badly for new gun buyers who have a gun and no ammo. They are the ones who would be willing to pick up a box of WWB 9mm for $40.

    In a truly free market, the higher prices would encourage and fund expansion of capacity which would itself help drive down prices. Here we have a very unnatural market disruption, that of the potential violence of the state and their arbitrary commands.

    Here is what the government does not want you to know about economics and the pricing mechanism:

    YouTube videos

    Don’t take my word for it, do your own research.

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  12. Never mind that the Olympic runner might have had anger management issues and, in a crime of passion, killed his girlfriend with a knife, cricket bat, hammer gun. He murdered is girlfriend.

    Or maybe she was just another skin job, and he was just doing his….

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  13. It really amazes me that so many people here are whining about Dirt “price gouging” on stuff, yet decrying about American Freedom. Yeah, those prices are high, but that’s how the market works. If you were too dense to stock up on mags in ammo before Sandy Hook, hell, before the Election, then you deserve to pay those kinds of prices! I bought some pmags for the Dirt the Sunday after Sandy Hook for $12.99 each, I figured I could hold onto them for a couple weeks and make a hell of a profit off of them. And that’s exactly what I did. I bought them for 13, sold them for $50. People will pay those prices, and since CTD still has those pmags for $99, I bet some idiots are still buying them at that price. If they weren’t selling, then they’d have to drop the price, that’s how it works. I’ve seen products fluctuate all day on that site, just like on Gunbroker and other sites. Its their right to charge whatever the hell they want just as its your right to not buy from them. But what kind of man (or woman) sits there behind the computer and whines about it? To see the idiots that just cry and whine about how they’re price gouging is hilarious. You really think that telling them that you’re pissy because you don’t want to pay that amount is really going to change anything? Absolutely not! I might not be the biggest fan, but it sure seems like this company has been doing quite a bit to make up for suspending gun sales. Has Lucky Gunner or Midway donated $100k to the SAF? What about AimSurplus, have they said that they’re going stop selling to Government agents in states that ban guns? Nope. You can pick what’s cheap, or what’s ethical. But don’t bitch because you can’t have both. Good Article, Don, at least someone around here has some sense.

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  14. I actually think there is reason to get worked up about the NYT. I have some friends who are very smart people. They make good money, are all in to personal responsibility, and generally vote conservative. Like myself they are socially liberal, secular folks who vote conservative because of taxes and the economy, as well as gov. waste… But…

    They read the NYT. Stupidly, they rely on it as their primary source of news and new analysis (you might say this makes them not smart). So they are anti-gun, or at least anti-assault rifle. They think I am a little crazy (though understand the concept) when I say, as a last resort assault rifles are protection against tyranny. But the NYT has them CONVINCED that assault rifles are useless for home defense (I concede that a handgun is generally the best home defense weapon in my opinion). So with ARs being useless to the owner anyway, why would it matter if we just banned them? It would save some children! (Not really, of course.)

    My point is that people read the NYT and they respect it… and this is not just the Obama disciples. When a so-called news organization has an agenda it drives me nuts. This applies equally to Fox News on the other side. Why can’t news organizations report unbiased news? Why can’t they give both sides equal time, and not slant things??

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  15. I married into a dysfunctional family and now am separating myself from them. My advice is to not get involved with dysfunctional people. I won’t with CTD or any other company.

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  16. This is NOT a family. We are brought together by a single common interest – guns. Your analogy is flawed for several reasons. Families are forced to be together we are not. The support of the Second amendment is not a childish behavior issue, ultimately it is an issue of national and personal survival, not a decision for children.

    I haven’t even thought of that company until you brought it up. There is absolutely zero reason to consider business with them. They are not being punished like bad children, they have simply made themselves irrelevant. Anyone who feels bad for them, and wants to buy from them, certainly can, but to use this silly analogy to induce guilt shows that you haven’t grasped the situation. This is not making someone stand in a corner for bad behavior, this is a shot to the head to wake up the other companies who depend upon us for their continued existence. If the wound is fatal or not, who cares?

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  17. ….all those weapons in South Africa? Can’t take them away from the criminals, the thuggish Army, or the murderous police. When looked into that light, some cripple that popped his ol’ lady ain’t much in the news world….except in that soon-to-be defunct NYT.

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  18. The chick in the video is a dreamer, she will be dreaming when ANC thugs chase her across her front law and gun down her family using AK’s or SKS’s….as for the NYT, I stopped reading, linking or bookmarking MSM and any liberal web sites years ago, the only time I read their crap is if it is linked on Drudge, TTAG or whatever.

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  19. This is not the first time I’ve seen this, but I have to comment on the number of people (four, I think? maybe five?) who have addressed their replies to Dan, despite the piece being written “By Don Curton” as indicated directly below the lead photo. It’s not just the similarities in the names; I’ve seen it happen before when the real author’s name was Jason, or Matt, or Bruce. It makes me wonder how much attention people pay, in their haste to get down here and vent their spleen, to actual text of the post, when they don’t even get the author’s name right.

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  20. Don, you wrote a very clever post that falls short in one regard — CTD is still gouging on prices. What good is TTAG-branded gear when it’s three times more costly than it should be?

    I’ll do business with CTD when it’s prices are competitive, they make a big donation to SAF and they’ve eated a bit more sh!t. Until then, CTD can FOAD.

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  21. Politicians assholes in the UK are talking of banning kitchen knives because of the dramatic increase in knife violence due to the gun laws.

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  22. If it was not simply “dysfunctional” behavior then it is worth forgiving. Mercurial beliefs are not worth actual money. Ruger and Smith have made efforts and not backstepped.

    CTD went to outright gouging, cancelling orders and price hikes and use a shipping system that makes no sense. How do you have different prices for the same item in differing warehouses? Compound the costs if you have stuff in multiple warehouses? In the last seven years this policy came into effect and it already took away much of my business to them. If they don’t want to do right and act like they are the only merchant with multiple shipping points. Playing bad ball has been building. Their behavior is not episodic in nature, it is stable bullcrap.

    No forgiveness; most of us ain’t gonna and forgiving them presents the same divided front among us as not doing so. So…its a bad example, honest. Dysfunction ends, this is just another mark on an already bad record.

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    • How do you have different prices for the same item in differing warehouses? Compound the costs if you have stuff in multiple warehouses?

      Oh, good, questions with fact based answers. Finally.

      Differing prices: if your “warehouses” are actually multiple competing drop-ship distributors, instead of being operations that you directly control, then price differentials are inevitable if you want the absolute lowest prices. If CTD used typical retail pricing, they’d price a 5-pack of slug shells at $5.99 instead of $5.32, $5.51 and $5.63.

      My theory is that CTD’s warehouse A is the only one they own and operate.

      Multi-warehouse costs:
      It costs more to ship multiple UPS boxes from multiple points of origin than it costs to ship a single box. I think many folks have gotten spoiled by the shipping deals offered by mega-operations like Amazon.

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  23. We are at war here, and some people haven’t figured it out yet.

    CTD is your foxhole buddy that ran and left you to die in place.

    CTD is your belay man that let go of the rope and let you fall.

    CTD is the guy that let you die in a fire rather than hand you a hose.

    CTD exhibited cowardice in the face of the enemy, and metaphorically, they need to face the firing squad.
    CTD NEVER apologized for their actions, and while market pricing is one thing, what they practice is another thing entirely.Now they cynically try to recoup some street cred.
    CTD has not caved. When they are out of business, then I will proclaim that.

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  24. I’m not sure who Mr. Don Curton is. Obviously a good writer (it was a well written piece even if I disagree with it) and while I respect your opinion, I just can’t feature how you’d attribute the justified backlash to CTD’s practices to a “temper tantrum” by guns owners.

    I’m wondering if I looked up CTD employees if the name Don Curton would appear?

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  25. FYI–California storage laws are limited to keeping them away from children, for which a trigger lock is acceptable. Safes are (not yet) required–but they are working on that too, Heller notwithstanding.

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    • Trigger locks are WORSE than safes, IMHO. I’d much rather have a gun secured in a GunVault than with any trigger lock I’ve ever seen.

      Unless it’s one of the ones that comes off when you whack it on the table. Those are cool. Not good for the element of surprise, though.

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  26. Oh, come on, that last 30sec was precious!

    “breaking into a police officers home is a dangerous situation. It creates a dangerous situation for everyone. Breaking into an officers home the burglers could get shot”

    That made me LOL!

    I wonder if in those situations the cops shoot their own dogs too!

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  27. Lies and misinformation, I’m not surprised his last name is From
    Can anybody guess where he’s From… most likely somewhere between Lebanon and Egypt…

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  28. A week or two ago, NPR did exactly that on Talk of the Nation. They devoted an entire hour to having people call in and tell how a gun saved their lives. I thought they did a great job because they didn’t editorialize the stories. They just let regular people speak. The host (Neil Conan) was very supportive.

    Not sure, but I think this was after the interview with Rob Pincus.

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  29. I emailed every member of the CO senate and the governor and told them to vote these down and I included strong arguments as to why. If anyone is interested in doing the same, below is the email addresses of every member of the state senate and the governor. All you gotta do is copy and paste, tell them to vote no and hit send. Even if you don’t live in Colorado, tell them you won’t visit the state or buy products that come out of the state. If states keep going this way it just sends a message to other states and the feds that this is OK.

    [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]

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  30. $99 for a PMag that normally costs $19. Don thinks it’s ok that CTD price gouges. Never mind the fact the the manufacturers care about consumers and have not raised prices. But Don says “hey guys, let’s forgive and forget”. I, for one, remember… There are suppliers who care about their customers and understand the value of return business. They have not raised prices. They are filling orders in a first in first out sequence. That’s who I will support. Not a company who Don supports because he is getting endorsements.
    Remember all of those screwing you now. And 2 years from now, see if they are still around. Maybe they will be, but not from my money.

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  31. Back a few decades while I was a military cop in Europe, they warned us that criminals frequently ambushed police and military personnel for their guns. We found that strict laws did nothing to reduce gun violence.

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  32. This is a good point. I don’t expect it from SAF as they tend to clean up the mess in the courts, a much needed service. GOA is what, a fourth or fifth the size of the NRA? It seems to me the PR campaign we so desperately need falls on the NRA to provide. Unfortunately they seem to do best when preaching to their own. They need to hire some fresh young talent that can provide the same type of cross-platform media blitz that’s being handed to us by the gun grabbers. Something that speaks to the sheep, not just the sheepdogs.

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    • The SAF has already said that they’re going to do a big ad campaign, the problem is that who knows how much longer it will be before it happens. I find it ridiculous though that the NRA puts DGU’s in every monthly issue of American Rifleman (not sure about other magazines), yet they haven’t bothered to try to get any of these people on camera for 10-15 seconds each to make commercials that can be put on TV an YouTube.

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  33. You do not know the value of a firearm until it has to be actually used to keep you safe or save your family and protect your family. In 2005 in southern Louisiana we had Katrina to deal with. The storm made my neighborhood a real mess. We had 8 weeks of looting , roaming gangs , and many home invasions going on. Many people who stayed here were assaulted and injured by people with guns and knives and clubs. The power was out and made it difficult for anyone to help us. The police were nowhere around to help with this situation. I had to face these people head on daily and I am thankful to this very day for my AR-15 and it’s 30 round magazines and all my ammo. I was able to keep these thugs at bay and keep my family and property safe until the police and national guard could help us and restore order until the utilities could be restored. Unlike Orleans parish, Jefferson parish did not infringe on our 2nd amendment and conficate our arms when they needed them most. The lawsuites are still being settled to this day for the families who lost love ones killed by looters after their firearms were conficated and they were left defenseless. You do not know what to is like to be in this situation until it is really happening to you , and then you realize the true value of a firearm not limited to government intrusion .

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  34. well i find this hard to believe as i know a person in red rock , texas who has applied for a FFL li. ATF was doing the investigation , they knew the guy was selling guns and not giving the people their money , had commited fraud with several people , he hasnt gotten the licence, but they never took any actions against him for taking money and not delivering the merchandise says its a civil matter ! so hard to believe they went this far out of their way . not that i dont think this happened.

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  35. If someone has bad behavior, then pleads forgiveness and is forgiven when they start acting correctly they have learned how to behave badly, and get away with it. If they behave badly, and are punished it teaches them to not behave badly. For a company, if they behave badly and go out of business it will not teach them anything, but it will teach other companies to not behave badly.

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  36. Probably not CA complaint LAPD cops are too dumb most keep there gun in there cloth locker at work so any one can have access to it while they are off work.

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  37. The remaining 2A states need to pass constitutional amendments with no ambiguity so that this doesn’t happen there. Anti-gunners are like locusts: they’ll move from state to state, ruining everything, until they ruin everything.

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  38. CTD has a history of being a fair weather friend. In this last round they finally caught enough flak that they did something. What they’ve done recently is admirable and most welcome but they are banking on short memories and I don’t have one.

    It truly is dyfunctionality. It’s like some jerkoff that slaps the shit out of his girlfriend or wife then brings flowers, chocolates and copious apologies the next day. Those guys are all the same and when the storm has blown over they go right back to their shitty ways. I expect no less from CTD. If they truly supported us instead of viewing us as a cash cow they a) wouldn’t have jacked their prices in the first place and b) wouldn’t still be jacking their prices while making “nice”. It’s getting stuck in the ass with a smile.

    I’m the kind of guy that is once burned ten times shy. I’ll be more than happy to give CTD some business again if, when and after they keep supporting the shooting sports like they’ve done with their last couple moves. I’m an inveterate skeptic and to me these two “convenient” moves by CTD are definitely working for many folks. They’ll probably get back enough business that a persnickety guy like me doesn’t matter much but my pennies are earned through being able to consistently trust a company.

    MidwayUSA and Brownell’s have done nothing but impress and endear me over 25 years of my business. They never jacked prices and I really don’t care if their P-Mags are out of stock because they didn’t value a quick buck from suckers over valued customers.

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  39. Don, you have failed parenting 101. You have allowed your charge to make you take blame for an action that was meant to correct their actions. You have been manipulated into believing that you were wrong to judge them for make a childish, knee-jerk, lack-of-thought decision. By giving in to their tantrum, you are condoning that type of behavior. You must be firm with them and show them that their disregard for their customers cannot be tolerated. And with CTD being a business, you must cut them off. You must then show them that they need to use better judgement when making decisions. You do that by forgiving them in your heart, but ensuring that they make the change on their own and accept responsibility for their lack of judgement, before you can begin rewarding them for anything else (further business). Your actions would lead to issues like that poor child Honey Boo Boo. Just my $0.02.

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  40. Ok this picture here with the two dumb libs hugging each other over accomplishing what? What does any of the crap they just passed going to do to reduce gun violence?

    Absolutely nothing!!!!

    Obama knows he might not get a federal ban on guns so he has instruction all his POS gangster libs and RINO’s to do it at the state level. Then buy up all the ammo so the public does not get it. So another lie from this POS dirt bag president. I hope he rots in hell!!! Well he might enjoy hell since hes the devil!!

    I wish death on all our gangster politicians as well. The whole gubment needs to be wiped the hell out!!!

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  41. We need to realize as gun owners that it is now past the time for emails and letters. It’s past the time for us to be sitting in our homes watching our rights, our fellow Americans rights, taken away. The opposition has us on our heels, and we do nothing but send empty letters and keep shallow hopes that our elected government will side with us. Our best ammunition of words and reason has become scarce. We need to protest. PEACEABLY!! We as owners, collectors, advocates, extremists, citizens all need to band together and protest.

    This week protesters marched on Washington, D.C. Against the keystone XL pipeline. A mere 40000 people marched for what they believe in. Yet we’re willing to sit quietly for what is right.

    If you agree spread the word. This needs to happen. We need to use our rights as citizens and protest. If we’re not willing to stand up for what we know is right, then we might as well lay down and perish under the weight of oppression.

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  42. Go Spikes!

    I’m happy to have been supporting and continue to support their business. Its great that they are local to me also!

    Now if they can only keep parts in stock…

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  43. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The Men’s Rights Movement — while disgusted with the whining tantrums, insane threats, and hysterics the radical feminist have used — has noticed that the radfems behavior (however distasteful and dishonest) has helped their movement advance. The lesson here is not that we should or can imitate their type of high drama we can however take the basic idea and modify it our way. I don’t agree with or see the author’s point about not forgiving CTD for crossing the line since other companies would then lack an incentive to change when they cross the line. I’m all for no forgiveness to motivate other companies from doing the same. If CTD ever folds then so what? We can and will continue to buy the same products sold elsewhere.

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  44. CTD has never been cheap enough. Dick’s same crap. Midway’s got my business. But my local gun shop comes first aint a whole lot of them but they are my first choice. And when you compare the price from my local shops to CTD it’s almost the same even when you don’t add the shipping.
    Final word CTD and Dick’s not from me.

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  45. How can a felon ever “repay their debt to society” when society never wants to
    fully return their rights once their time is done ? It isn’t about justice or protecting
    the public as much as it has to do with feeding the prison industry. Out of prison
    and nowhere to go. It’s okay for employers, landlords, and Government to treat one
    as third class. Also, it has more to do with the gun control agenda than the felon
    hiding with a gun behind every bush hysteria of society and the media. Prior to the
    1968 Gun Control Act, firearms could be bought no questions asked by mail, and
    yes, felons were permitted to own them. Yet ironically, there were never any of
    the problems seen today. I guess that in America, the so-called land of freedom,
    where one is able to get a second chance and reinvent themselves, is a myth. It
    appears that some are more equal than others, and some lives matter more than
    others. EVERY LIVING BEING HAS A RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE !

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  46. I wonder how many Colorado democrats are going to loss there seats because the NRA will point out there voting record come November 2014. The real question is will the Republicans be able to field candidates that can survive the Chicago style machines that Colorado now has.

    Thanks
    Robert

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  47. Since the overwhelming majority seem to be advocating for continuing to withhold their business from CTD, I would like to know how many own Smith and Wesson products? Back in the Clinton-era, Smith and Wesson sided with the devil….we reacted, and withheld business….and hurt them badly….at first opportunity, they righted themselves – “we” gun consumers didn’t hold a grudge, and now they’re a flourishing business thanks to us….this is the same scenario….CTD made a mistake, they’re repenting….and, despite their market driven prices, they are trying to make good to support our cause….we have enouh enemies already, we need all the friends we can get…CTD is seeking redemption. Give them a chance….in the meantime, lets leverage a few more $100,000 donations from them, to causes that help us…not shopping with them because their prices aren’t competitive is one thing. holding a grudge until they collapse, hurts only us, and the hard-working Americans who work for them, many of whom, I imagine are gun-owners themselves….

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  48. I’m confused. Didn’t the state court just tell them that all state colleges must abide by the same carry laws as the rest of the state? Isn’t the bill to ban carry on campuses in direct violation of that ruling?

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  49. The level of protection you need should be based on the mostly likely threat. Your first level of defense is OPSEC. No NRA stickers on your house or car and a minimum of information available to your neighbors. Everybody knows that cops have guns so they are SOL.

    My most likely threat is the junkie or teenager looking for a smash and grab robbery. A gun vault and stackon cabinet is probably a safe option. They aren’t equiped with tools to rip up a nailed down gun vault or be willing to haul off the cabinet.

    Somebody who is specifically targeting your guns is prepared to break into virtually any safe you can get. It just takes a little more time. I have seen the security people drill a safe that held compartmented information within 20 minutes. a heavyweight safe will stop a professional who is looking to clean you out but isn’t expecting a full sized gun safe. This class of burglarer is the main threat to my guns and I am unlikely to encounter him since I don’t have any thing of value that merits a pro targeting me. More likely he would just steal one of my cars.

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  50. The last and only ruger shotgun I owned was a red label 12ga over under and was not to the ruger quality the name implied.I did and would take a B-gun over it any day.

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  51. If Ruger is going to be offering shotguns then I’d like to see them make a coach gun with SxS 20″ barrels, a combination pump with 18″ and 26″ barrels, and a semi-auto with a 20″ barrel cut for different chokes.

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  52. Saying he was irresponsible puts you in the same category with the anti gun nuts who think guns magically go off without anyone pulling the trigger.

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  53. “… the sky isn’t falling. The law works.”

    The sky IS falling for the leftist media, precisely because the law does work: More guns in the hands of good people results in less crime against those good people, with the occasional “acute failure of the victim selection process” by a low-life (who is thus removed from the gene pool). This deeply offends the left, because more crime results in a perceived need for more government power to “prevent” the crime. As evidence, look at England since they banned private ownership of guns. Their violent crime rate, home invasions, street muggings for cell phones, rapes – all of these are now the highest in the western world. The British government reaction? Calls for knife control.

    What they are really in favor of is control of the peasants – everyone except the ruling elites.

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  54. A few other concerns I had when reading that POS article: (1) the omission of the shall issue statute was purposeful (if the readers looked it up and read it, they walk away from this article shaking their heads and circling their eyes like the rest of us did); (2) S&R conflate “arrest” and “conviction” in order to arrive at shocking examples of prevailing appellants (they demonstrate a lack of understanding of, or respect for, fundamental notions of due process and innocent until proven guilty); (3) S&R conflate violent and nonviolent crimes for reasons, well, refer to (2) above; (4) S&R interviewed Tony Cornish for this story but included NONE of Cornish’s comments (instead S&R included multiple quotes from one Michael Paymar); and… and… and… and………… Bottom line, these “journalists” are unprofessional — biased, cause-driven, deceptive, manipulative, and sophomoric. Whether it was a conscsious or subconscious decision, they wanted to write a “game changing” article that would influence this debate. To do it, they employed Enron accounting tricks to yield “shocking” statistics, and threw due process under the bus to do it. They apparently have little or no knowledge as to basic law, criminal justice, government, or statistics — or journalism. Or, conversely, they assume their readers have no such knowledge or awareness. A Facebook friend, who is coworker and lawyer who sides with the gun control advocates, stated, “I’m embarrassed. If we win this debate, this certainly isn’t the way I wanted it to happen.” The Star Tribune was once a proud paper of record. Sure, we’d get a biased journalist who would test discretion with rhetorical tricks. But now this paper has evolved into a dog-whistling tabloid that seeks to enrage, shock, and surprise for the sake of readership and, in turn, revenue. This Stahl and Ragsdale piece jolted the paper further down that path.

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  55. “At most, this should be a cautionary tale about what happens when firearms aren’t secured and unauthorized people can access them. That kind of gun control I can get behind.”
    Again, the devil is in the details. How exactly do we enforce this kind of gun control? How does this differ from any other effort to keep arms out of the hands of those that need them just when the gun is needed most? How many more lives will be lost because of these kind of blanket restrictions?

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  56. I’ve read everything King has published to date, but I won’t be reading this. Alas,a string broken! You want to read a great pro-gun, pro-God, pro-America thriller writer, read Dean Koontz. (90’s and later. He started out as kind of a hippy.)

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  57. At the risk of being pilloried, I like a shotgun as a self defense weapon. Note that I’m not a cop or a soldier. I am a citizen who has to prove self defense and since I live in California I have no legal right to be outside of my home with a gun. Im my situation I like a pump shotgun.

    Having said that. I wish biden, barry, difi, etc. would FOAD and leave law abiding citizens to make their own choices about what type of self defense weapon is suitable for themselves.

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  58. “There are dozens of other priorities they could be working on (like lobs, an actual budget, or maybe the economy)”

    Typo police: shouldn’t this read “jobs” not lobs? Or we talking Line Of Business or a new word for “low paying job?”

    In any case, good article Nick.

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  59. Just when I thought it couldn’t be done, I am proved wrong yet again in utter delight while this man’s stupidity serves as “words of wisdom” to the antis.

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  60. It used to show at the top of my start list until I downloaded google chrome to see what it was all about, I didn’t really like it so I deleted it but now firefox isnt at the top of start. Any ideas?.

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