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“The California state Legislature has sent a package of gun control bills to Governor Jerry Brown,” reports. “The bills regulate sale of ammunition, ban more types of semiautomatic rifles and add punishments for lost and stolen guns.” And how.

The bills [detailed below] now go to Governor Brown’s desk to await their ultimate fate. Governor Brown is scheduled to leave the state in 48 hours. If he doesn’t veto some or (haha) all of these bills before his departure, Lt. Governor Gavin Newsom will take over as acting Governor. No question Newsom will sign every single measure (save the ones already on his ballot initiative), giving new meaning to the oft-heard words “full retard.”

Here’s the rundown [via The Firearms Policy Coalition]:

SB 880 (Hall): Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices.
SB 894 (Jackson): Re-victimizes victims by criminalizing the failure to report lost and stolen firearms.
SB 1235 (de Leon): Now competes with Gavin Newsom’s Safety for All Act/Ammo Ban.
SB 1446 (Hancock): Confiscation of lawfully acquired, standard capacity ammunition feeding devices.
AB 857 (Cooper): Forced “Ghost Gun” registration.
AB 1135 (Levine): Bans common and constitutionally protected firearms that have magazine locking devices.
AB 1511 (Santiago): Bans the loaning of firearms.
AB 1673 (Gipson): Redefines “firearms” to include items that are not firearms.
AB 1674 (Santiago): Bans buying more than one firearm within a 30-day period.
AB 1695 (Bonta): Makes some non-violent misdemeanors punishable by prohibitions on owning firearms.
AB 2607 (Ting): Dramatically expands who can request a Gun Violence Restraining order [to include co-workers, employers, mental health professionals and employees of high schools and colleges].

Just in case you’re wondering, Lt. Governor Newsome’s ballot initiative — which includes some of the measure above — would have to be withdrawn by midnight tonight. His peeps say it ain’t happening. How great is that?

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  1. Because we expected anything different…

    Cmon Jerry, only you can prevent complete stupidity.

  2. Can we all not say, “So goes California, so goes the country…”

    Someone’s gonna say it.

    • Lawsuits.

      Lemme ‘splain about laws and lawsuits in CA.

      Each of the 120 CA legislators may introduce 40 – FORTY – new bills each session.

      They don’t, thank whatever, but the incremental cost of adding a bill to the hopper is negligible.

      Look now at the Peruta lawsuit. It’s been running for I think seven years now, and bids fair to run up to SCOTUS in year nine. About one law, one small piece of one law.

      Lawsuits are like bailing the boat with a teaspoon. If we could keep more water from getting in, eventually we’d keep the boat afloat. The CA Legislature has demonstrated it has no plans whatsoever to ‘rest on their laurels’. And that effort is a sideshow – with each legislator having lots of other bills they may introduce, s/he can do things which might in fact benefit constituents or the whole state.

      Once we might have counted on SCOTUS to continue the work of Heller and McDonald. I think that hope has proved vain.

        • You guys are talking about attacking the law in the Courts. BIG waste of time. I’m talking about taking the legislators to Court.

          It doesn’t have to be “about guns” (the proof of that is that gun-control isn’t). It’s like a neighborly fight over a fence, (except their throwing their undue government gang-signs at you). Cigarette lawsuits weren’t about closing the tobacco companies, the EPA isn’t about protecting the delta-smelt. It’s not what you can prove, it’s what you can creatively claim. It’s not about the evidence, it’s about the seriousness of the charges, and you don’t even have to win. They might ‘settle’ to make you go away, or you just take your loss while typing up your next case style, and blame your protest on a video.

          All you just need to do is pay a small retainer to the right son of justice and say ‘go get me something’. Those legislators, and their supporters, and party, have more money than RJ Reynolds, and, it’s common sense, it’s about time, it’s about justice, it’s for the kids, sea levels are rising and because we have to do something.


  3. Ammo Sales (SB 1235): No more mail order bulk shopping to contain costs.
    Ban possession of standard-capacity magazines (SB 1446): Los Angeles tried this and received exactly zero turn-ins.
    Bullet button ban (SB 880/AB 1135): We’ll have to disassemble the action instead.
    Gun lending (AB 1511): No more training.
    Guns with some assembly required (AB 857/AB 1673): Defines a chunk of aluminum or wood as a firearm. No more 80% guns.
    Gun [violence] restraining orders (AB 2607): Now your disagreeable employer or employee can rat you out, and you lose your due process rights along with your property.

    Punishment for theft (AB 1176): This is good – it should have stayed a felony.

    • AB 1176 is not “punishment for theft” of firearms, it is a misdemeanor charge for failing to report the theft of firearms within 72 hours of discovering the theft.

        • No biggie, the clock starts when you discover the gun is stolen, even if it’s one you don’t check on more than annually because it’s hidden somewhere.

  4. They all passed,

    …color me shocked….

    Like I say, its sad we have to count on the feds to someday get california to recognize the constitution of the united states, and not their ideology, as the supreme law of the land.

    • And the sad part is, it very well may have to come at the barrel of gun. We can send in feds to rightfully end segregation, and it should be the same for ALL of our enumerated rights.

  5. All is not lost as of yet, and the Sacramento bBee has suggested that Brown, who leaves for vacation in Europe tomorrow morning, will be vetoing at least some of the bills: “Gov. Jerry Brown suggested Thursday that he will take mixed action on a series of gun control measures before leaving on a European vacation Friday, vetoing some bills and signing others.

    “We certainly have a lot of laws here,” Brown said in an interview. “Of course, that’s my general view. We could probably have fewer, but we’ll look at them.”

    Read more here:

    The Firearms Policy Coalition has sent around an e-mail suggesting that Lt. Governor Gavin Newsome, who will become acting governor on Brown’s departure, is likely to sign any bills not vetoed by Brown by Friday. Newsome certainly has the power to do so, but the case law is clear–from Brown’s first tenure as Governor–that Brown has the authority to rescind any action taken by Newsome on Brown’s return in a few weeks. Moreover, it would be highly amusing if Newsome vetoes DeLeon’s ammunition bill in order to boost the merits of his own ballot proposition on the same subject.

    • So the only recourse at this point (since the courts obviously won’t be) is a single man at the head of the Executive branch.

      As the saying goes, “two is one, and one is none.” If these bills do not pass immediately, they will pass within six months.

    • Moonbeam has nothing to loose. He’s termed out and ready to retire….this is the legacy of Democrats and will be as the nation goes. Bills introduced in redrawn districts favoring democrats while systematically presenting gun control bills that infringe on every citizens’ to lawfully protect themselves.

      • But Moonbeam vetoed the last raft of overly insane gun laws for being ‘too restrictive’.

        I do have some faith that he’ll do it again, one way or another.

      • You know what? I might disagree with Jerry Brown on alot of things, but he is a model civil servant. If every politician had his standards the country would be about 10k times better off.

        • As much as I often disagree with Moonbeam, I would agree on your assessment – he really is a pretty good public servant – as they go.

          Sadly, my (semi)faith in his reasonableness was confirmed/shaken when he signed about half of the crap that was put on his desk.

          Oh well.

    • If signed, the ammo bill does not go into effect until January 1, 2018. But at least it does not require a permit from the State in order to buy, only that the vendor has to report you to the Department of Justice and charge you extra fees for a background check.That gives us a year and a half to stock up. Freedom Munitions will be hearing from me.

      • I just did a quick inventory. Hunting ammo(gotta use non lead) for my 12 ga is my weakness at this moment. At the rate I’ve been shooting and my age a couple of cases of 12 ga should hold me til I’m too old to hunt or another Lincoln takes office and forces the states to recognize basic civil rights.

  6. Sorry you’re all screwed. Really.
    I know how well they do in the “War on Drugs”…

  7. Was there ever a doubt that the land of fruits and nuts would get nuttier? Can’t fix stupid.

    Can’t fight the stupid, they have way more practice. They burn the house to kill a roach.

  8. Sorry, guys. My sympathies.

    It’s not just guns, by the way. The CA legislature seems to be trying to make life as hard as possible for those who do things like own rental property, work, etc.

  9. Ah……….there goes medical bigotry again and again and again….so much for vocabulary…isn’t another term for bad judgement available????

  10. “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present [State of California] is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over the [state]. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.”

    There is no doubt citizens of California suffer a litany of infringements upon their God-given freedom to keep and bear firearms (among others), those presently under consideration merely the latest of a long history with a single obvious goal.

    “In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”

  11. Well, I understand the situation, but somehow… when people are stupid enough to vote for people that clearly and openly want to ban guns, don’t be surprised when they actually do it. I know and I’m pretty sure all readers on this site here never voted for them, even the gun owners from California.

    But what to expect? This is not something new and unfortunately California people seem to be majorly fine with this civilian disarmament that is going on…

    • What you describe is the direct result of the citizens of California not being represented. In a democracy/republic, it is impossible for the elected leaders to consistently operated contrary to their constituents’ wishes; what we see now is due to far away cities governing the lives of those in local areas with impunity. That is not representative government.

  12. Mmmkay… Lemme see, so the politikos just took away the few options left to citizens in Commiefornia to defend themselves, made the whole fucking state a soft-target and they’re all patting themselves in the back for doing a good job against the “scary black rifles/guns?”

    Yeeeeaaah. Nothing wrong here, at all.

    Those who can, better get out of CA. Your legislature just painted a yuuuge target on your collective backs.
    Best of luck, folks. You’re really gonna need it.

    • I’ve been saying they’ll be confiscating property for state use & setting up roadblocks in the passes within a decade. Leave while you can.

  13. Isn’t Southern California supposed to fall into the ocean one of these days? Who’s in charge of that? I want a name.

  14. BTW, went down about 20 minutes ago.

    Coincidence? On this day?

    I’m finding such things quite a stretch.

    If you happen to know folks in CA and have their email, or contact on Facebook, kindly share the Governor’s contact info
    * email through his web page:
    * Phone: (916) 445-2841

    Please ask your acquaintances to ask the Governor to return all the bills without his signature (the technical description for what we call ‘veto’).

    • CGN is back.

      It -was- enemy action, though an IP in Serbia might not mean it was directly related to today’s legislative action.

  15. The proper response should be all law enforcement agencies in the state refusing to enforce…..

    • Yeah, all those “Oaf Keepers” I keep hearing so much about; where’re they in all this?

      • From what I’ve seen so far, the same as always; bitchin’, whining, playing at being keyboard commando. And now, when it comes down to putting up…. we shall see how many are willing to potentially sacrifice their comfy, secure jobs and/or lives when orders go out. When that happens, I don’t doubt that a lot of those on the OK rolls & III% forums are going to be first in line to be made examples of…. especially those still wearing a uniform. They’ll crucify enough of their own for not reporting tragic boating accidents or showing proper loyalty to the State, that the rest will be unwilling to suffer the same fate.
        It worked for the Soviets and the Stasi, and definitely seems like that’s the model California is aspiring to.

  16. I hate this fucking state. And I was born here!

    Every time I turn around, the government is bleeding me, restricting me, and in general, making my life rather miserable. Don’t get me started about property taxes! Cripes!

    I and the wife will be leaving within the next four years. I thought I might stay and fight-the-fight, but I’ve decided that I don’t want to die in this particular ditch. I’ll go find another ditch, in another state. Wyoming is looking pretty good right now.

    If Brown vetoes some or all of the bills, I’ll say “thank you” in knowing that a broken clock is correct twice a day.

    I’ve had it.

    • Finally…I’m there with you. Its time we leave in mass, no vertical dirt or beach is worth this. For the next 3 years, I’ll work securing customers outside CA, hopefully I can leave sooner.. I just finished a 12 state work tour for two months. Rolling Bluegrass hills of KY, Nebraska, Iowa, North GA mountains, Michigan, MN, TN, Mississippi. There’s a better greener world outside CA with a culture of liberty and not infringing on a man ability to lawfully protect his family and people he works with.

      I’ll mail my 10 round mags and bullet button to the CA Governor and a report of the economic impact of my company leaving.

      FU Golden State

  17. Don’t worry, President Trump has got this. The same way Obama threatens states with the cudgel of the federal government, Trump could tie highway funds to the state’s limit of the 2nd Amendment.

    If you plan on staying, I’d stockpile and bury everything. And maybe buy some armor. 🙁

    • A buried rifle is about as useful as no rifle; by the time California repeals those laws (if ever), all the buried guns will be long forgotten, and their owners buried with them. After these laws go into effect, hidden gun caches will be hot commodities for paid informants, looters, or anyone who will happily dime out their neighbor for free (because guns).

      Sadly, this isn’t something ya’ll can sit out, or hope to change with lawsuits or counter-legislation….. and practicing Irish democracy is too passive to make a difference. It sucks, but a lot of good Californians are going to have to choose between living on their feet elsewhere, or on their knees there.

    • James Yeager (Tactical Response) said it, though he might not have said it first:

      “If you think it’s time to bury your guns, it’s actually time to dig them up.”

  18. I’m a California resident and I’m definitely going to buy some 80% lowers before blocks of aluminum have to be serialized and transferred through FFL.

  19. Love the new CA flag – it perfectly personifies the Socialist People’s Republic of Commiefornia. Some other states could probably and justifiably add the hammer-and-sickle to their banners, too, due to their socialist ideas and actions against the 2A.

  20. Time to start a “GO-FUND ME ” page for Lawful US citizens trying to flee the tyranny of the State of California. Providing assistance to relocate all Lawful US/ CA. citizens to any of Americas last “free states”

    Also, “GO-FUND ME Legal challenges/lawsuits- CA. ” to fight Anti-Freedom initiatives by California government.

    It should be a massive effort in the pro2@ community. Show the antis that they just don’t have to worry about the NRA, or GOA. But We the People!

  21. Last year Special interests pushed through SB 277, there never any doubt special interests wouldn’t get it done this year with gun control….tyranny in the name of public safety.

  22. I went down to the local jail to interview violent offenders about these new laws. They ALL promised to fully obey these new laws once they are back out on the street after early, early, early parole. I am very proud of the California politicians for enacting these new laws to keep us safe!

  23. The ammo restrictions are plain and simple a harassment of law-abiding gun owners. The idea that additional ammo restrictions would stop a mass murderer buying a 100 rounds for his evil deed is just plain psychotic.

    • It’s typical anti-gun smug feel good BS. They look down on people who own guns, so anything that can make the lives of gun people more difficult just reinforces their egos and sense of self-righteousness.

      • Any pro-gun person with a national audience should bear in on this restriction as embematic of how delusional gun-grabbers are.

        1) Millions of gun owning families can easily go through a thousand rounds a day doing various sport shooting activities. (I’d say 90% of muggles don’t know that)

        2) There are probably TRILLIONS of rounds in circulation and billions more made each year.

        3) The government put a law in place with onerous tracking procedures and expense thinking that it will prevent a terrorist from acquiring 100 rounds to do their evil deed.

        4) It’s willful ignorance of reality plus harassment of legal gun owners.

        5) All the other laws are the same stripe, ineffective against the bad guy and harassing of the good guy.

  24. Why anyone pro-gun who doesn’t have to live in California but still chooses to, is beyond me. Screw that God forsaken place.

  25. I’ve lived in both Massachusetts and California, two states dominated by one party. The sense of smug self-righteousness that the anti-gun politicians in these states have is truly disgusting. When it comes to ideas that they support, if you don’t fully endorse, and applaud them you are labeled as either a “redneck”, “ignorant”, or a “bigot.” They use the media to ensure that the average uninformed citizen only ever hears one side of the story, with their opinions presented as facts. California should be one of the best parts in the country to live in; it’s a beautiful place and I love California girls. But it’s all ruined by the tyranny of San Francisco and Los Angeles.

    Add on top of that the majority of young people (and yes, I am one of the “millennials”) have never had any exposure to firearms. To the majority of my peers, guns are just a scary “boogeyman” and they’ve grown up in gated communities and gone to ivory tower liberal arts colleges where sociology professors tell them the world should all just smoke a joint and sing “Kum Ba Ya” and then everyone would live in peace. Hopefully they’ll get smarter as they get older and experience the real world, but I don’t know that I can be that optimistic at this point.

  26. I just sent Gov. Brown a letter urging him to veto these coming gun control laws.

    I just hope he listens to a freedom loving individual like me

  27. 7 years until I can retire…hopefully the next 4 go quickly and I can get stationed back in america

  28. WTF?
    If the Governor flies to Las Vegas for a day of gambling, the Lt Governor takes over and can sign or veto legislation or write executive orders the minute the Governor hits the state line?
    Can you imagine Joe Biden taking the responsibilities and powers of president because Obama wanted to see both sides of Niagara Falls?

    • I see, there’s a long standing “gentleman’s agreement” that the acting governor won’t actually do anything except try to handle dire emergencies, but that only works if the acting governor is a gentleman.

      The courts have ruled that the Lt Governor has all the powers of the Governor the minute the Governor leaves the state.

  29. I encourage everyone here who is incensed by these infringements to immediately contact Jerry Brown’s office. It is only through a deluge of opinion and reasonable argumentation that we can demonstrate that we “the people” stand against these bills. Google “Jerry Brown contact” for phone number and an easy email form (which doesn’t require inputting a physical address).

    Together we can make our voices heard. Don’t get angry, don’t comment on the boards, contact your representatives. It is the only way to win.

    P.S. – for those who think it isn’t possible to prevail in uber-liberal California, remember that Jerry Brown vetoed a bill which was almost identical to this years SB880 (banning semi-autos), and that was in the wake of Sandy Hook. Let’s do this.

  30. Well it’s done. Checking Gov Brown’s webpage the following passed: AB 1135, AB 1511, AB 1696, SB 880, SB 1235, SB 1446. The following were vetoed: AB 1176, AB 1673, AB 1674, AB 2607, SB 894

  31. Each of the supporters of the these bills (the legislators and the Governor) have just committed two federal felonies punishable by ten years to life in Leavenworth for each offence. The laws that they’ve violated are the Conspiracy Against Rights (Title 18, USC, Sec. 241) and the Deprivation Of Rights Under The Under The Color Of Law (Title 18, USC, Sec. 242) codes in the United States Code. These laws both state that ‘ANY person’ that ‘conspires to’ and/or ‘deprives ANYONE of a right that is secured by the U.S Constitution is guilty of a felony’. Since the Heller decision confirmed that 2A is a fundamental right protected by the Constitution (that was the brilliance of Scalia’s opinion), governments are forbidden from “chilling” that right. CA has just done that! It is also a violation of Article I, Sec 9, Clause 3 because it criminalizes a previously legal item. It is therefore “ex post facto law.”

    So you Californians should get off you lazy asses and fight for your constitutional rights! Find a federal judge friendly to 2A and challenge these laws as unconstitutional under Article I. Then get mean and charge each and every one of the legislative usurpers that voted to enact these laws, and Gov. Sh*t brindle… uh, er… Brown for signing them, with violations of Title 18. Then have them arrested by the FBI. (I’d do it myself, but I no longer reside in CA so I’m not damaged by these unconstitutional actions.) Politicians are NOT above the law and the Constitution and the USC are the law of this land.

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