Whatever it was about, it appears that the Bundy Ranch vs. the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) confrontation has reached a successful conclusion. TTAG’s man on the ground, Bryan Hyde, reports that the BLM is backing down from a battle over grazing rights on federal lands. Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie brokered a deal with the BLM to release the Bundy Ranch’s impounded cattle and allow their owner to graze the bovines on public lands again. Bryan tells us that during the Sheriff’s press conference at the Bundy Ranch to announce the deal, Bundy was surrounded by militia types in “full battle rattle.” And that the rancher isn’t satisfied with the latest arrangement. Meanwhile, a reliable source says there’s a large police staging area on Mormon Butte, just south of the Bundyville exit, with SWAT a plenty. More info as we get it.
To blame the NRA for the low number of black members is misguided and an unfair accusation. It is very basic. The NRA is a Conservative organization and votes conservative ideas and concepts.The main one is Freedom to be armed. This is in contrast with the black community which by majority is democratic and votes a liberal agenda. Nothing racial about it,just the facts.
Short version: The federal government should subdidize my for-profit ranching business by giving me and my descendents exclusive use of public land at below market rates forever.
I hear this sort of nonsense coming from city slickers all the time.
OK, instead of parroting the lines of some environmental group, tell us what “market rates” for grazing on the ground are?
Go ahead and show us some math.
TT, you are so wrong on this one. Nothing involving public land use in the West is this simple. I say “in the West” because there is no parallel in the eastern states. None. Your comment presupposes the in fact the Feds “own” the land, which is not the case (well, not so much in Nevada because the Feds own about 94% of it through a wide range of highly dubious claims).
The BLM does not, in fact, own the public lands Bundy ranches on. That land is still owned by the State of Nevada. In that case, the BLM functions as land managers. Sadly, this is most frequently the entry point into a long slide of the land sliding out of the public trust into private ownership of developers and others. This is, indeed, how the Feds ended up owning 94% of Nevada. But even as I write that I am drastically over-simplifying the whole issue. It is a rats nest of legal wranging, competing public vs. private interests, and fundamental conflicts between states and federal rights.
Personally I’m amazed at all the people from the east coast who have never lived or worked in nature in a western desert state that are now suddenly experts on western water rights and land use litigation – who knew there was such a market for this knowledge on the east coast? /sarc
Don’t get me started.
The other thing that really winds me up are the horse-besotted women from cities (esp. back east) who want to carp about “over grazing of public lands” but then want the BLM to leave all the “pretty mustangs” alone.
Want to see rangeland that’s been hammered to dust? Look at some of the HMA’s where the horse numbers are 5 to 10X the AML.
And because of those bleedy heart women worrying about the pretty mustangs they suffer from a lot of terrible diseases due to the closed genetic system. That and the horses are generally worthless for riding even after being trained because of their bad conformation caused again by the close genetic system.
That’s bull. Some of the best scholarship on western water and land law has been done by east-coast law school scholars. What I find much more laughable is all the arguments which completely ignore western water-rights and land law, finding a mystical right to graze without paying…when the family moved to the valley to farm, not raise cattle, and moved into cattle raising, eagerly joining other ranchers in ending the open range system that broke the ranchers, happily trading that for a system of exclusive grazing rights for a nominal fee.
I find the comments sympathetic to Bundy very uninformed about the history of the grazing lease system. I wouldn’t fault easterners for that. Water rights conflicts are found everywhere in agriculture, in all parts of the country. The problems vary of course.
The “Mesta” system brought to cattle ranching from Spain via Mexico launched (or grounded) the culture of the open range grazing system. The system didn’t work because of greed, rancher greed. Ranchers understood that and willingly pursued a change. They got it. Cliven doesn’t like it. So? It really is that simple. Cliven didn’t have a ‘right’ to expand into other land whose leases had been bought out. I’m sure he feels aggrieved. Again, so? It isn’t a lack of knowledge that burdens the case. It is the possession of knowledge which just ain’t so. But Cliven still has a chance to use politics to improve his lot, when the law does not suffice.
I hope that the deal offered by the BLM is one Bundy can accept. It sounds like there is a lot to be done in disentangling the Feds from the states.
The Bundy deal is a “throwaway” for the feds. They have another two years and a vast bureaucracy at their disposal. And a private, unsworn army. And support from the sworn armed forces and three-letter agencies.
Given past federal behavior, I’m wondering if this isn’t a fallback, regroup and replan. This seems to solve immediate and superficial issues, but doesn’t seem to address any decades long issues.
Exactly. The end game is to break Bundy and steal his land. This phase of the Federal land grab may be over, but the next phase has already begun, quietly, behind the scenes.
Wait to see where this goes.
The Feds could wait six months (after elections) while things cool down, heat up CT to distract everyone, and seize the Bundy Ranch to satisfy the judgement against them.
True, but we can take our victories where we get them.
Lots of ways it can go from here, but any positive step is a positive step. (Yes, I can be irritatingly optimistic at times).
I haven’t heard and don’t believe that the BLM yet has a ‘money judgment’ against Cliven Bundy. I think they pursued their first remedy against trespass, which in the case of cattle means removing the cattle. That was impeded, obviously, and a court will have difficulty directing BLM to repeat that exercise. Since the trespass is ongoing and BLM has attempted to remedy it, they’ll move on to seek a judgment for fees, damages, and costs. They need to reduce their claims to a money judgment. That will take time. Then enforcement of the judgment brings other complications.
Politics will enter the picture. How it will affect things is unclear to me. Politics really does create strange bedfellows, as they say. You never know what’s what until someone turns the the lights on.
Yeah because the bundys “winning” us such a triumph over the government. /sarc
I am not agreeing with BLMs 1st amendment zones as you should be able to practice that right anywhere, just as you should be able to carry anywhere you want. If you look at this objectively, the bundys did a lot to escalate the situation
the bundys did a lot to escalate the situation
Sure. They should have surrendered like good little Obamabots.
I dare you to watch this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEa-Z9SAqU
and then still stand by your statement that; “The Bundy’s have done a lot to escalate this situation”.
What do you say? Up for a challenge? It will only take eleven minutes!
The ball’s in your court now.
I think that our members of congress need to be limited to 2 two year terms. No more of these old people who’ve been in congress for the past 30 years
Note to Mr. Scott: The home invaders will stop dying when the home invaders decide the risk is too great, the price is too high, and stop invading homes.
Even though I’m very suspicious of the feds and what there planning I’ll take this as a win. Buddy stay strong!
I bet Mr. Bundy is wondering who is going to pay for all the damage the Feds caused. Livestock loss, land improvement damage, etc. You need more than just land to run a cattle operation. Who is going to pay to restore it back to what it was? Enough loss could bankrupt the ranch.
What Feds are going to jail? Best they serve jail time than die for their crimes against the people in a “range war”.
Stevens really said; “I and other elites are the natural and obvious rulers of all you little eaters and breeders. But, we can’t rule you so easily or brutally, if you have weapons, so I will speak a lot of big words you don’t understand to make it happen”.
“As for that mouldy bit of parchment you all hold so dear, we will tell you what it means, you lowly peons”.
Too bad the DHS can’t display the degree of diligence along the border that the BLM can over trespassing-by-cattle on Open Range. At least there’s a fence (mostly) along the border.
@ I. I wouldn’t say anyone is innocent in this. There are people on both sides that feel they are right, as above Mr Bundy doesn’t like the deal. If the feds don’t like the deal then it was a compromise, but I also agree. A compromise with the right hand while the left hand drums up some other charges to have a reason to arrest.
I can’t honestly say that I understand every nuance of the situation, but I am glad the Feds were actually able to back down. I wonder what would have happened in the Bundys and company were not armed. I doubt that this outcome would have occurred. As always, an armed populace is a strong motivation for the government to at least maintain the illusion of fairness. Should the government go to far, the people maintain the right and ability to address the grievances.
He has gained a small victory in a battle for his livelihood and property rights, but now he MUST be willing to negotiate a compromise while the irons are still hot; once things cool down and public interest fades, the fed will harass and pick at him until the cows come home and his resources are inevitably drained
Good to know that the federal government is now negotiating with terrorists, so long as they get a bunch of other terrorists to join them.
Yes, because a man saying “I’m gonna graze my cows wherever I want” is more terrifying than a government paramilitary group of 200 “civil servants” with sniper rifles trained on you and your family.
Terrorists? Have you lost your bleeping mind? Since when does civil disobedience equate to terrorism? I can only assume all of those recently-determined-to-be-felons in CT that refused to register their legally owned property are also terrorists?
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Three cheers for Harry Reid — the most successful grifter in the history of the US. In comparison, Huey Long seems like a paragon of virtue.
My fear is that this thing is far from over. There is no way the Feds can take this thing lying down. This situation plays out hundreds of different ways every day across the West.
I think this pullback is simply a temporary de-escalation and once the supporters are gone, the Feds will SWAT the family. God, but I hope that doesn’t come to pass, but power cannot be sustained unless it is shown to be absolute.
Now that they agreed to back down their only recourse is through the legal or tax system. Much smarter and effective to sent the IRS after him. He has got too much publicity. He isn’t some odd ball Randy Weaver type of guy. It sounds like he is Ben Cartwright.
If anything does come to pass it will be decades. The Bundy’s have media contacts now plus national media exposure. Any aggressive tactics by any federal or local agency including the IRS will be viewed as retaliation and would get immediate press.
I don’t think a move like that would be taken lying down by the family or his supporters.
final question did you all vote for this?
“That anomalous result can be avoided by adding five words to the text of the Second Amendment to make it unambiguously conform to the original intent of its draftsmen.”
The really incongruous thing about this statement is that Stevens, and liberal justices of his ilk, are antithetical to the entire idea of “original intent”. They believe in a “living document” that can be tortured into meaning anything at all. Roe v. Wade is the ultimate example of this.
It don’t need fixing its fine the way it is… fool
Fix?
Ain’t broke.
Not going to lie, I’ve got some serious reservations about this partnership. Yes, it’s free ammo, but…..it’s Liberty Ammo of “RIP” and “HALO” fame. Hope no T&E guns break or fail from using this stuff.
@Nathanael
This is a minority position which the Supreme Court has not, as yet, accepted, but the Second Amendment did apply to the states initially as did all the rest of the Bill of Rights with the exception of those matters which are explicitly restricted to the Federal Government. It is the position of those who say, as I do, that it is one of the Privileges and Immunities of Federal Citizenship. The Founders had no intention of allowing states to deny them these fundamental rights. It would have been inconceivable to them that a citizen could not exercise any or all of these rights when traveling to or through the several states. George Washington would be subject to arrest when traveling to his inauguration with his sword today.
The legislative history of the 14th Amendment is plainly evident in the debate in Congress and statements of its proponents. It was to overturn the Dredd Scott Supreme Court decision and to grant to the freed slates and other blacks status as people and citizens. (There was case law that blacks, even freemen, were not eligible for citizenship.) you will recall that the Emancipation Proclamation purported to free slaves in states which were then in a state of rebellion. This was actually based upon the legal principle that they were property and classed as contraband. President Lincoln had no more authority to grant citizenship than he had to take it away. The Emancipation Proclamation was a political document issued during armed conflict. It remained to become law by action of the Congress, President and States after the cessation of hostilities. This distinction was seen by the Congress and hence the 14th Amendment. Administratively, the distinction was not as clear during Reconstruction under Martial Law and Radical Republican administrations.
Almost the entire body of U.S. Supreme Court 14th Amendment cases are improperly decided as a consequence. The concept of making various Constitutional Rights applicable to the states on an ad hoc basis via the 14th Amendment is a fiction.
The Supreme Court is not necessarily correct in its decisions. It is simply the last court to speak in a matter and their mistakes live on until either Congress acts to overturn them or Court itself recognizes its error and corrects it. It is little wonder that the Founders specified the oaths of office of various officials and that they were to swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.
So TTAG is going to use expensive, over-hyped, super-velocity ammo which consistently fails standardized expansion and penetration tests?
FOX news update. They didn’t provide many details but the BLM has decided to pull out and discontinue the operation for the safety of their employees and the public.
ABC has update:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610
I, with my limited knowledge, tried to read this guy with an open mind.
Please correct me if I’m wrong here.
Quote:
“The notion that the states were concerned about possible infringement of that right [“the common-law right of self-defense”] by the federal government is really quite absurd.”
So the states weren’t at all concerned about the union of states infringing on “that right” for most people, but only about its infringing on that right for people serving in the militia?
While not over this is a first step.
Get a deal on paper signed. You might not like it entirely but take it.
In the mean time I will take this as a small victory for we the people.
“…the BLM is backing down from a battle over grazing rights on federal lands…”
As I understand it this isn’t even federal land, it’s state. The BLM is exerting it’s “authority” on the grounds that it’s protecting the desert tortoise, a species that’s so endangered they are euthanizing them to control their overpopulation.
My friends, our 2nd Amendment rights hang by one vote. While fiercely pro-gun, I am also a social conservative who believes in the traditional definition of marriage and all sorts of stuff guys like Stevens and his ilk hate. This is a simple plea to those who do not share my views on social issues: divided we fall. Believe me, those on this site who do not like social conservatives need to put that aside and support those who support them. If not, Hillary needs just one more justice and this recent renaissance of gun rights will come to a screeching halt.
As long a social conservatives stick to “having” their beliefs, rather than “imposing” their beliefs, I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with them, till the bitter end.
First off I gotta say the truth which it seems most people haven’t heard too much of about this situation. Bundy is the last of the large scale independent ranchers in this country. He refuses to sell his ranch off to corporate interests. This might not be tagged as the main reason why they are coming after him, but if this ranch was a corporate ranch/farm there would be no way the government would try to mess with it. They can push a family around more easily and thats why they are choosing to. They have a lot of money to gain from seizing his property. Thats the bottom line.
As for the protest I set out to make a documentary about..
this whole thing turned into something way off from what it should have. Leave it up to a bunch of “militia”, Halloween costume wearing, “just wanna have a showdown” type of derps to not understand what organizing a protest actually means. The second these people grabbed up all their assault rifles and headed to this ranch thinking they were gonna have a wild west showdown, was the second the protest lost all legitimacy. You see, if you want to protest the use of aggression by the state, you yourself cannot become the aggressor, or you become as bad as the people you are protesting. The trouble with these types is that they have been spouting this hyperbole about “we need our guns to fight government tyranny” for so long, that they are just waiting for an incident to justify the lost cause way they think. THIS SITUATION was definitely NOT that incident. We needed a peaceful coming together more than any other protest on this one. But as for a lot of things in life, i.e. driving, television, movies, the school system, politics, social change.. the stupid people ruined it for the intelligent people who were trying to actually have a real effect. The influence of a video camera and a correct perspective are 400 times more powerful than the influence of a gun will ever be. It’s what I set out to use.. but I refuse to side with either of these aggressors. I won’t be part of a fight between one militia and another. This use of physical violence is what we are trying to leave behind in our culture, and I happen to already live in the future. It’s so sad it had to end up this way. My concerns still go out to the Bundy family.
I will wait for a less biased appraisal of the facts. The courts are where disputes are settled, not in the press and not with threats of range wars. In fact when someone starts bellowing about starting a war with the government that tells me that they haven’t got a fact or law left to support their claims.
Why not find a sponsor that supports 2A rights in battleground states?
“Ammunition is restricted from sale to AK, CA, CT, DC, HI, IL, MA, NJ and NY.”
There’s NO REASON to restrict sale to CA, for example. There are no state laws prohibiting mail order ammunition.
TTAG should walk the walk, given all the talking, lately, that it’s been doing. Very disappointed in this decision to support an ammunition provider who doesn’t give a crap about helping us folks who are on the front lines.
You know what’s funny about the concept of amending the 2nd Amendment?
Even if by some miracle it happened, I wouldn’t abide it.
“But that common-law right is a procedural right that has always been available to the defendant in criminal proceedings in every state.”
He’s right, but the procedural right does not protect possession of the tools of self defense, hence the 2nd Amendment. Of what use is having a procedurally protected right of self defense if you are barred the use of the tools to exercise that right?
If I haven’t already said so, now might be a great time to buy an aftermarket trigger. Get one before the rush. My Timney trigger is already en route. My trust in “Big Green” is all but completely gone. I’m not even buying Remington ammo anymore. I’m glad my 870 was made well before the Freedom Group debacle.
2 timneys and one Jewell on the way.
Brownells and midway are out last I checked.
Remember that the county sheriff in Idaho thought he had brokered a deal with the ATF/FBI to leave Randy Weaver’s family alone, before they slaughtered his 13 year old son, (shot him in the back as he ran from them) and assassinated his wife while she was standing unarmed in the front door of their cabin with an infant in her arms.
Remember that the county sheriff in Waco, Texas thought that he had brokered a deal with the ATF and the Branch Davidians, before they stormed their Christian retreat facility and slaughtered men, women and tens of children. Be very careful!!
Why not, before we start questioning their ethics and morality, see if this really does affect reviews? How would you like if I impugned your reputation when some good fortune comes your way?
I’d like to get one of the new Coonan Classic 357 magnum auto guns, Where could I see one of them and possibly purchase it. What is the price and I live in Cheyenne WY.
Another happy ending after the good guy turns the tables on the bad guy.
GUNS . THEY SAVE LIVES AND THE USA ALONG MEANS IF YOU COME TO OVER TAKE THIS COUNTRY YOU BETTER BE READY TO BE PLANTED HERE .! AND IF YOU EVER DO COME TOO TAKE MY GUNS ! GOD BLESS YOU BECAUSE DIEING OLD SUCKS FOR SOME AND I DON’T ROLL OVER LIKE THE ONES THAT DO . LIKE THE ONES THAT DON’T WANT PRAY OR FLAGS IN A CLASS OR COURT ROOM YET ! WHEN SHIT HITS THE FAN THEM TYPE PEOPLE ARE UNDER YOUR TABLE THEN PRAYING AND WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO .THEY MAKE ME SO SICK I WISH TO GOD HE WOULD TAKE ME HOME TO GET AWAY FROM THERE STINCH ! TILL IT HAPPENS TO THE CRYERS THEN ITS WILL BE TO LATE SOME DAY IF THEY DON,T PULL OUT THERE HEADS ! THE BIBLE SAY NO AND YOU DO IT IN FRONT OF HEM THE THINGS HE SAID NO TO AND YET YOU SAY YOUR A CHURCH WHAT EVER IN MOST CASES TO ME.PEOPLE ARE THE CHURCH CHRIST WORD IS THE WORD HIS LAW IS THE LAW BUT YOU PUT DOWN YOU HEAD ! SHAME ON YOU THAT DON,T HOLD TRUE TO THE REAL DAYS OF THE USA IN GOD WE TRUST AND THE COMANDS GOD MADE AND WHERE THEY SHOULD BE PUT AT.ANY DAM WHERE WE PEOPLE THAT KEEP THE USA SAFE .AND THEM THAT DON’T WE SHOULD MAKE A LAW TAKE THEM FISHING WHERE SHARKS ARE REAL BIG.GOOD BY .OH IF YOU DON,T LIKE WHAT SAID PLEASE WRITE IT DOWN AND ON BIG PAPER REAAL BIG AND THE ROLL IT UP AND REAL TIGHT .I’LL GET BACK TO YOU WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT EACH AND EVERY NIGHT .FROM WESS.
The man in the car should go buy himself a lottery ticket right now. He’s one lucky dude.
I agree with stngray713. Apparently we were posting at the sane time.
I think this man might well be in legal peril. If there are powder burns indicating the gun went off during the struggle he’s likely home free. If not and no other weapon is found or the wounds of the assailant indicate he was retreating, the sailing may not be as smooth as you might want.
So I just fill out the paperwork , wright out a check for $200 bucks to the ATF , wait a few months for the tax stamp to arrive , Then I can go online and order a compleat SBR AR15 upper from say… Bravo Company.com and mount it to my exsisting AR15 lower ?
Tuck a 100 in your holster, that’ll do for the mugging concept! “here, don’t forget this!”
The Bundys are the last ranchers in the entire county. Fifty-two ranchers quit and sold out to the BLM. One lone rancher and his family stood against the thugs of the BLM and their hirelings. The BLM has promised to return several hundred of his cattle and withdraw their militarized vehicles and snipers.
They fear their personnel and by-standers may be injured, but did not feel that way when they imported the armed thugs and snipers. it was only after the Oath Keepers and other militia groups arrived that the BLM backed down.
Kudos to the Oath Keepers, all militia groups and citizens gathered in support for the Bundys. Kudos to the Bundy family for being strong and resisting tyranny. Local militia that are there have reported back to us that they will remain a few more days to make sure the BLM delivers on what they have promised. Cliven Bundy is not completely satisfied with the offer by BLM, but he is willing to listen to more of the details involved.
Our support and prayers are with you all!
It’s not about the inanimate object in your hands. The weapon is you. Either you’re a predator or a victim. A well armed victim is still a victim.
An unarmed predator….well, there is no such thing.
I wasn’t there so I wont judge the methods used. But the results are another dirtbag off the street (unless he was just trying to get a ride to the hospital for his sick mother?), a dirtbags weapon off the street, no harm to anybody of worth to society. Sounds like a win all around to me.
Rest assured that The Truth About Guns will continue to tell the truth about guns. And ammo. We do not compromise our editorial integrity for anyone. I would put the word “period” here but President Obama messed that up for everyone.
You ever know that Kris has got extreamly fat and his fingernails are long like a girls. He should probaly paint them. I think they get paid too much money making the show and that building the guns is not that important to them. The only reason Will keeps Kris at the Job is cause he is married to the daughter unless that is just staged too. Kris needs to stop drinking on the job and smoking weed behind the dumpster and show a good example. He needs to shave and brush his teeth and trim those falcon claws he’s got on his hands and be a leader not a follower. Flem and Vince where the 2 best gunsmiths they had. They where probaly greaing them up so they could get their hands on their FFL licences and they said we are out of here….
Nobody likes a recall. I hope Remington makes things right.
Reading over the Bundy threads over the past two days I have to say hats off to him. He ran a very professional PSYOP campaign and I have been involved in several goods ones. Here is a wealthy guy who has mobilized the peasants to come defend his land. They would have died for him. If the Reid angle is true then not only does he have a multi-million dollar ranch but he might sitting on a couple hundred million dollars in oil rights underneath his land. I am not one to begrudge a person’s wealth but neither am I one to suck up to it.
Couple thoughts here.
Liberty does have lines other than Civil Defense.
They have the capability to make target ammo.
I could use 500 round of TCM that does 4k with a 20 grain bullet… You know.. to check gun function..
The failures had to be sufficient enough to dump the gun entirely, with out letting Smith try to work out the issue, or exchange for a different model. This makes me feel they discovered a horrible, none fixable flaw in the design, who knows.
I am wondering why there not talking about the failure though, makes me think Smith is scared to have it come to light! Maybe their trying to design a fix before the panic RECALL sets in?
The same money spent on their ammo gets you twice as many Gold Dots in a box. Is this stuff worth twice the price of Gold Dots? Rhetorical question, of course not.
Nice, but I would have liked a picture of Stalin photo-chopped as Bloomberg instead!
You misspelled Vladimir Lenin.
Even with his rewording, isn’t the militia all able bodied men between 18 and 65ish? He could have been more specific, but adds yet more confusion. Define militia?
Anyway.. The 2nd reads very clear to me. It has nothing to do with National guard units. It’s the people. Period.
Oh give me the land, lots of land
Under starry skies above
Don’t fence me in
Let me ride through the wide open
Country that I love
Don’t fence me in
Let me be by myself in the evening breeze
Listen to the murmur of the cottonwood trees
Send me off forever but I ask you please
Don’t fence me in
Just turn me loose let me straddle my old saddle
Underneath the western skies
On my cayuse let me wander over yonder
Till I see the mountain rise
I want to ride to the ridge where the west commences
Gaze at the moon till I lose my senses
I can’t look at the hovels and I can’t stand the fences
Don’t fence me in
Glock 19- THE best combat pistol ever made.
What LEO’s use Libertine Ammo?
If this goes South , which could happen , you will see more backup arriving for the existing federal units on site , and they will catch the Patriots off guard , hopefully not , but then there is the lets calm everything down until everyone has left and then take on the bundy’s when they don’t have any help and if Cliven Bundy just happens to get accidentally killed well we tried to take him peacefully but ! I do not trust the Federal government at all , all these folks understand is that they get what they want no matter what , and if you don’t like it we will just kill you to get it , because that is what they have been taught , no one had any charges pressed against them after Ruby Ridge or Waco , nor will they if someone gets killed by Federal agents now or in the future , they have the get out of jail free card , because the government really can’t admit they did wrong , it would make them look weak and they don’t want that as they might lose the control they have . Be prepared and ready . Keep your powder dry .
Hopefully the firearms prices at Wilshire will encourage H&H to reconsider their markup on firearms sold there.
H&H’s prices can be… High at time.
Glock 19, my go to pistol of any price, any caliber, any where, any time…
All the talk of Bundy being right or wrong ion his argument with the BLM is immaterial, and obfuscates the real point.
Even accepting the BLM account as gospel, in what way does that justify the Feds suspension of the Constitution?
Because, that is what they did
Super high velocity ammo like they make can skew your gun reviews. You are NOT going to get good ammo out of a 1:7 twist AR with 3500FPS ammo. I hope that you are also going to keep supplying a stream of more typical ammo for the accuracy tests. Accuracy tests using just this would be worse than useless.
Im glad I’m in Texas here if somebody breaks into your house it is assumed by statute that they are a threat and use of force is justified.
Also we can use deadly force if needed to protect property also. So guarding your property that has been a target of criminals is perfectly legal. Not evidence of some pre meditated murder.
That said zip tying the guy was risky. So was not shooting him when he saw him with the machete. If a home invader was within 25 feet of me with a machete I would have shot him first then told him to drop it. And called the ambulance and then the police.
No need for zip ties though
The NRA isn’t a gun lobby. It’s an anti-fascist lobby, or even a civil rights lobby. Constitutional rights lobby has a good ring to it. The anti-gun lobby is the reason the NRA exists.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. ~ George Orwell
Amen, brother.
Will you link to the test if “Shooting the bull” does the test?
Also, felt recoil and handling is NOT even close to the same with Liberty Ammunition as it is other standard ammo. This is based on my own testing.
Very good.
Everybody posting on this page should take eleven minutes to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSEa-Z9SAqU
Seriously.