Anarchists and ‘Anti-Fascists’: Guns Aren’t Just for Right Wingers Any More!

armed leftist antifa anarchist

Courtesy ABC News (Australia)

While we certainly agree that firearms and gun rights are for everyone — left, right and center — it never ceases to amaze us how much of the Second Amendment and America’s history of gun rights the left gets totally and completely wrong. Then again, this is Vox, so….

Not everyone should have access to guns — domestic abusers, for example, have proven by their actions that they cannot be trusted with that kind of responsibility — and not everyone needs it. No one without a significant amount of training should be handling a firearm at all, which is why I think designated community patrols made up of well-trained, highly trusted individuals who are chosen by and held accountable to said community (and who do not hold any or less power than anyone else due to their position) is a far better and more equitable defense model than messy “everyone gets a gun!” rhetoric.

I’m also not interested in creating a parallel cultural universe wherein balaclava-clad “gun bunnies” pose for the ’gram (I’d much rather shore up support for Rojava’s all-women YPG Women’s Defense Unit). I’m interested in reclaiming the notion of armed self-defense from those who have long used it as a cudgel to repress dissent and terrorize marginalized communities, and emphasizing its potential as a transformative tool toward collective liberation.

There is a long history of leftist gun ownership, and a concurrent theme of state repression against it. As author and anarchist scott crow notes, “our current gun control laws disproportionately hobble poor communities and communities of color.” As far as the state is concerned, black people were never meant to own guns at all; the Second Amendment was intended in part as a means of controlling the enslaved black population and suppressing possible uprisings.

– Kim Kelly in I’m a left-wing anarchist. Guns aren’t just for right-wingers.



  1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    Given the utilization of firearms by the left to achieve their political and ideological goals of State control of the individual this makes perfect sense. For the unfortunates that do not comply with the State it’s a death sentence.

    1. avatar enuf says:

      On the use of violence against common citizens to establish control over them, there is little difference between extremists of the left or the right. They spout different views and despise each other but the harm they do is the same. Once an extremists turn to violence, they hurt and kill people.

      It is not simply left winger nutjobs that concern me. Whackjobs who think they’ve a right to force compliance from anyone else are always a threat no matter what side they are on.

      1. avatar Denton says:

        This 1000x. Right-winger nutjobs with guns are not new. But now that they are teaching by example the left wing nutjobs I really fear for the time when they meet.

        1. avatar Anymouse says:

          Stalin, Che/Castro, Pol Pot, the 3 NorK Kims, and Mao all led purges when their guns were turned against their own citizens. Millions were killed by these leftists. The only “right wing” I know of is the Holocaust, and I don’t consider National Socialists to be right wing.

        2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

          “Right-winger nutjobs with guns are not new.”
          I don’t know any right wing gun owners who want to raise my taxes.I don’t know any of them who want to break up American families using the Welfare Industrial complex. Left wing gun owners use a great deal of Projection in their thought processes.

      2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

        The following is from Vox:

        Antifa’s tactics also seem unnecessary, given the repeated success of peaceful protests.

        Just this month, activists in Boston overwhelmed a right-wing rally — to the point the rally ended early — through almost entirely peaceful demonstrations.

        Earlier this year, the Women’s Marches emboldened anti-Trump activists. Protests against the travel ban and Republican health care bill surely contributed to the defeats — or at least eventual watering down in the case of the travel ban — of these policies.

        Over the past few years, peaceful Tea Party demonstrations empowered a new wave of conservatives. Occupy Wall Street protests brought the language of the “99 percent versus the 1 percent” to the political mainstream, arguably fueling Bernie Sanders’s surprisingly strong 2016 campaign. And in the 1950s and ’60s, Martin Luther King Jr. peacefully fostered a civil rights revolution — and he’s now revered by both the right and left for it.

        Yeah, those dangerous right-wingers and they’re deadly and destructive protests. How dare they threaten communities by leaving places cleaner than they found them!

        If right-wingers were as dangerous as the Left claims, you would be dead already because such a high percentage of us are armed and trained.

        1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

          I saw many riots that were started/ instigated by the “saint” Martin Luther king.

        2. avatar Denton says:

          I was referring to Militias when I said right-wing nutjobs. The tea party, while right wing, wasn’t nutjob right wing nor where they armed openly. I don’t consider the 3% groups as complete nutjobs either but tooling up to protect free-speech at some of these rallies with armor, chest rigs, and decked out AR’s is a great way to teach the radical left how to arm up as well.

          As an aside, I’ve been very proud of the restraint and control 3% has shown since a 3% member shooting an Antifa member would be an incredibly bad PR moment for the group as well as for gun rights everywhere. I don’t think they were accomplishing anything at these rallies as all they were doing was making gun-grabbers and fence-sitters more afraid and putting themselves into a position of having only bad options: get beat up and show the left you’re toothless or shoot in self-defense and really damage the gun rights movement with a martyr.

          I haven’t heard much about the 3% movement anymore. Is it still together?

        3. avatar barnbwt says:

          I do know the 3%er ‘movement’ never did anything 1/10th as ridiculous as the shit antifa gets away with in Portland any given weekend.

          But please, do go on about how “they’re all the same” and whatnot. You could *at best* argue a lot of the 3%er/Proud Boys/etc groups are two sides of the same tyrannical ideology, but you have to be incredibly disingenuous to claim the levels of violence perpetrated are anywhere close to the same. Even historically.

        4. avatar User1 says:

          The right wing likes using the military and police to do their dirty work while they act tough with their rhetoric.

        5. avatar Matt says:

          User1, your post is really funny. It is the left who desires an all encompassing government to control the lives of everyone. And the left loves the police and military as their enforcement arm to carry out the dictates their government spews out.

        6. avatar Victoria Illinois says:

          I was at a tea party event in Illinois., years ago. It’s true, they left the place clean. Regular people were picking up litter on the ground when it was over…..and there was very little litter anyway.

      3. avatar Matt says:

        Enuf, I think you are confusing the two. The left is the side that wants to force compliance on everyone to their ideology. My side simply wants to be left alone to enjoy our lives and pastimes.

        1. avatar SouthAl says:

          Then your side is not the left or the right. The left and the right in our politics is not on a single continuum, left to right with a center between the two, as they want us to believe. The majority of both want the same thing, which you described, to force compliance with their ideology. Neither of those is my side, there are more than the two sides. Though one of those sides is closer to my side than the other.

  2. avatar Arandom Dude says:

    Oh great, Portland can get even worse. I thought it was at rock bottom.
    Just got back from Europe where there’s a lot of censorship, it’s good to be back.

    1. avatar User1 says:

      The police in Oregon and Washington do not like to protect the non leftists. They follow the orders given to them to stand by and allow felonies to be committed. Everyone of those cops are criminals, they have become like the Nazi order followers. It’s that easy to turn a country into a fascist state. They don’t even realize who they have become.

      1. avatar drunkEODguy says:

        I though the right wing liked to use mil/pol?

        1. avatar User1 says:

          Come on, brother. Don’t be so simple minded. It’s not one or the other.

          The right wing uses the military and police to enforce their will. They like America to be the policeman of the world. They illegally send their military into other people’s lands to force them to live differently. They use the police to fight their immoral “drug war.” They setup tyrannical agencies like DHS.

          The leftists don’t use the police in Oregon and Washington. They order them to stand down so Antifa can beat people, destroy stuff and occupy areas. Same thing happens in California and Virginia. The police are told to stand around while felonies are being committed in their presence. When people fight back the lawyers charge them with crimes, which then the police follow orders to arrest them.

          The police are used by both sides to enforce their rules. The left likes to use them to enforce gun laws on non criminals whereas the right likes to use them to enforce gun laws on convicted criminals. Both sides are socialists/statists. Both sides are bad.

          The military and police are order followers, they do as they are told. Police do the job for the money. Most of them care about themselves more than anything else. They are tools for whichever side to use. The right gives the police MRAPs to fight terrorism, the left will use them to raid Americans’ homes. Whatever the law is they will enforce, whatever the order is they will enforce. They are self proclaimed enforcers. They don’t think, they just do.

          The police are not your friends. And the military is designed to kill and break stuff.

  3. avatar Shire-man says:

    All said is true. So now lets vote for the party that actively runs on keeping guns out of the hands of poor, marginalized minority communities. Because logic! Imagine an armed Antifa. Next time they might actually kill the homosexual journalist they assault rather than simply burn his skin and give him a brain bleed.

    1. avatar jsled says:

      No one’s skin was burned by “cement milkshakes” that didn’t exist.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Yeah… it’s not like the Portland Police published the information or anything…

        1. avatar hal_greaves says:

          in this day and age, ignorance is a choice

          as you can see in the comment you replied to, people still choose ignorance

        2. avatar Hannibal says:

          And the Portland PD is as left-wing as they come. The list of weapons these nuts use against cops and animals like horses and dogs in the service of cops is long.

      2. avatar Donald J Trump says:


      3. avatar Shire-man says:

        The fact that the “cement milkshakes” thing is what the left is harping on as being a hoax rather than the potentially fatal blows about the skull is pretty telling. As in: yeah, we physically assaulted and hospitalized people posing no threat to us but we sure as hell didn’t toss quickrete at anybody!

        I’d rather somebody toss quickrete at me than club me in the head but then I know what physical altercations feel like and how fragile the head is. Apparently nobody on the left, not Antifa or the media realizes the right pop to the dome can kill so it’s perfectly fine to beat and club surprised and defenseless people in the head like we live in an ACME universe or something. But quickrete. They’d never sink so low as to toss quickrete at somebody. Honk, honk.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Look a distraction. Oh and this ridiculous reported event is too ridiculous to be accurate so all associated events in the incident are invalid…….. I hurts that I can understand how that thought process works.

        2. avatar N64456 says:

          I’d assume they would use Portland cement; because leftists are all about “shopping local” and all…

        3. avatar barnbwt says:

          The point is that a concrete projectile is a lethal-force implement capable of serious injury, whereas a milkshake is a ‘meets the legal definition of assault’ implement. There is an important distinction to be made since the claim is clearly intended to promote corresponding responses against the antifa guys in the future. But frankly, both sides have incentive to lie about the actual facts of the situation. No one likes a milkshake being tossed at them, so you spread a tale it was equivalent to lethal force. The libs don’t want bad press from their members stepping things up a notch, so they lie about the heavy projectiles being a myth. Neither side is more or less likely to lie than the other, historically, and both are pretty much hysterical in their descriptions & motivations, so I’m not inclined to believe either of them.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          1. It’s not about the weight, it’s about the chemical burns. Quickcrete is highly caustic.
          2. The presence of these things has been verified by the far-left Portland PD.
          3. It doesn’t matter if a milkshake “barely meets the category of assault”… You have no idea if some psycho decided to lace it with drain cleaner, quickcrete, etc, you have to assume it’s a reasonable threat of death or great bodily harm.
          4. The shake issue is a side show compared to the reported that the commies put in the hospital with a BRAIN BLEED.

      4. avatar User1 says:

        They rather beat you in the head with metal objects in attempt to murder you. Throwing milkshakes is too European. The preferred attack is from behind with metal objects after they mace the target.

        1. avatar barnbwt says:

          Indeed; the milkshake thing is nearly ‘showy’ enough for me to believe it. Both sides come to these things for the express purpose of showing off to their friends, and possibly ‘winning glory’ through their Twitter connections. An anonymous disguised projectile lobbed at random simply won’t win points for any particular antifa clown…so I kinda doubt someone had took the initiative to do this knowing they couldn’t take credit for it.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          The use of these chemical weapons has been confirmed by the local PD. It doesn’t matter if you doubt it or not, it happened.

        3. avatar Geoff "Guns. Lots of guns." PR says:

          Throwing a milkshake with quickcrete (a corrosive caustic) is no different than throwing acid on someone with the type of chemical burn they both have. One’s a low PH, the other a high PH. Both burn human skin…

      5. avatar LampofDiogenes says:

        Does it ever hurt your soul (assuming you have one) to be such a lying, water-carrying DB? No??

        Didn’t think so. (“Yeah, Satan, cross this DB off your list – no soul to steal.”)

        You want your “revolution”, DB??? Bring it, you twatwaffle. I am SOOO ready to have you try to assault me on the street.

        And please feel free to SMD.

    2. avatar User1 says:

      They have already came to protests with guns. They have yet to use them.

      One of the guys on the right shot someone already and another shot at someone.

  4. avatar Roger J says:

    Mao is known to have said ‘power comes from the barrel of a gun.’

    1. avatar User1 says:

      The good ol’ “comply or die.”

  5. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    That’s an incredibly confused word salad there. So ‘shall not be infringed’ was intended to keep blacks down but the current state of infringement marginalizes minorities? I’d wager her political opinions are just as confused.

    1. avatar HP says:

      They must be. All of the people she’s going to vote for are doing their damndest to make sure her and her friends can’t have those AR-15’s they’re holding.

      1. avatar No one of consequence says:

        I’m quite sure she’s expecting to be one of the privileged ones who are the unofficial enforcement arm of the government. E.g. Venezuela’s Colectivos.

        1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

          ^This. Like all good leftists, she want all power, including the tangible power of personal weapons, concentrated in the right hands (i.e., hers).

        2. avatar edward kenway's ghost says:

          Yes, that’s the whole point.
          Redneck Revolt’s website explains their contempt for not only the right wing, but Establishment liberals they view as less committed. When the Clintons took office in the ’90’s and later during the Obama years , the focus was on right wing nationalist militias. Now we have the anarcho-Communist quasi-revolutionary cells running around with guns believing their own agit-prop, unaware they’re badly outnumbered by people ideologically opposed to their political sickness.

      2. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

        I’m guessing she doesn’t vote because none of the Democrats are far enough left.

        1. avatar User1 says:

          A “not far enough left” Democrat is a lazy leftist. They like to take their time.

    2. avatar No one of consequence says:

      Taken sentence by sentence, it’s all good Leftist talking points.

      Stringing them together and expecting to make some sense, though? That’s making some assumptions about one’s readership.

      1. avatar Fully Involved says:

        Huh, that concept is actually pretty eye-opening and applicable to a lot of ideaologies. I like it.

    3. avatar neiowa says:

      It is mind boggling to see the result of modern American liberal arts “edumacation” in the tradition of eurowussie marxism melded into general dumbassery. This young chick has a tough education ahead of her.

      1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

        She should study up on what happened to the revolutionaries that helped Castro, Stalin and others once their vaunted leader was in power.

      2. avatar User1 says:

        Public education teaches socialism. What a surprise! A government “provided” education system teaches government is the answer to everything. These days teachers are now the true parents.

    4. avatar User1 says:

      Most of them are very confused people. They were educated in government schools, which means they know nothing.

      The people with the knowledge need to enlighten them with truth. Talking down to them, making fun of them, hating them, etc, stops any possibility of informing them.

    5. avatar Ardent says:

      Thanks Gov. for bringing it up.

      The very idea that the founders were concerned about suppressing slave rebellions when the 2a was adopted defies every contemporary understanding of what it was about. Further, given there were no significant slave rebellions in the midst of the chaos of the Revolutionary war, or, in the United States at least, any large-scale or remotely successful slave rebellion of any kind during the framers time.

      Thus the historical sources say it wasn’t about slavery, and logic dictates it wasn’t about slavery.

      I wonder if it could be about the security of a free state that just won it’s independence by force of privately held arms?

      Further, as of 1868 with the ratification of the 14a, the 2a has applied to all former slaves and their descendants. It’s almost as if the constitution provides for the right to apply to everyone…

      Even the most race baiting, gun hating leftist partisan would have to also be incredibly stupid to accept such an absurd assertion as the 2a was meant to control slaves…then again, I repeat myself.

  6. avatar Cloud says:

    “the Second Amendment was intended in part as a means of controlling the enslaved black population and suppressing possible uprisings.”

    Vox is utter garbage. A garbage publication for garbage people.

  7. avatar bryan1980 says:

    Oh, I think we’re well aware the left likes guns, as long as they’re the only ones holding them. All of Marx’s workers of the world were armed for the revolution. After all, he had to have someone to do his dirty work for him. Today’s useful idiots are serving the same purpose for the democratic party.

    1. avatar User1 says:

      …and Republican party.

  8. avatar barnbwt says:

    Well, duh. How else do they plan to put bullets into the back of kneeling victims’ heads?

  9. avatar barnbwt says:

    “domestic abusers, for example, have proven by their actions that they cannot be trusted with that kind of responsibility”

    What about domestic enemies of society?

    1. avatar CWT says:

      Knowing antifa’s propensity towards violence wouldn’t it be reasonable to say they are all domestic abusers?

  10. avatar Klaus Von Schmitto says:

    Those tight pants are sure going to chafe when they piss themselves after the first shot is fired in their general direction.

    1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

      That would probably be true of just about anyone without training and combat experience.

      1. avatar CWT says:

        Training and experience are not guarantees against soiling oneself.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Does help with returning fire with soiled pants…. Also teaches us to wear looser boxers and keep the pants unbloused on patrol.

        2. avatar Ardent says:

          I find that level of violence locks me up so tight nothing could pass regardless of my desires, but I’ve known others who went the other way. As psychology goes, I consider mine a sort of gift. That said, when the shooting starts getting that close and heavy I’m not real sure you’d notice one way or the other until it calms down again.

  11. avatar matt says:

    yes roving armed mobs i mean “patrols” instead of letting people arm and protect themselves is a much better solution

    the only thing they got right is the politicians they likely vote for do enjoy making it harder for the poor to arm and defend themselves

  12. avatar Username says:

    They’re correct in the notion that without guns (albeit the State’s) they would be annihilated completely. Just remember that your tax dollars keep these “people” alive.

  13. avatar Phil Wilson says:

    “…terrorize marginalized communities…”

    Yeah, it’s horrible how there are so many conservative types invading the south side of Chicago and similar urban areas and shooting up the place all the time. If it weren’t for those rednecks, those areas would be so safe and peaceful.

  14. avatar daveinwyo says:

    Pretty sure, looking at the photo, that these bed-wetters will hit the flee/freeze button every time, and run back to their GFZ safe place. (almost wrote flea)
    Like a bullet cares about GFZ safe spaces, given the number of shootings in GFZ’s.
    Firearms, by their nature, are totally democratic. The only difference is who is holding the gun.

  15. avatar #every2ndmatters says:

    Stay tuned of 2a stuff…..#Support #2a #2a awareness #every2ndmatters Take People out shooting explain how important #2a is to Freedom.

    1. avatar neiowa says:

      #sand with idiotic #BS. Take a course of amoxicillin it might cure you social (media) disease.

      1. avatar daveinwyo says:

        To whom and to what are you referring your comment?
        It makes no sense. Or is that the purpose?

  16. avatar StLPro2A says:

    Let’s recall. Aw, yes, the KKK, Jim Crowe laws. All aimed at depriving blacks the ability to self defense and to protect their rights and their families. All created by Southern Democrats…..who largely were the slave owners.
    But, the northern Conservatives fought to free the blacks from the Southern Democrat Cotton Plantations. Then, the Democrats realized that there is more power, control, and money in Government than cotton. The Dems placed the blacks….and as many non-blacks as possible…..on the Government Plantation. They could tax others to pay for the shanty shacks, collard greens and sow belly, thumping the mis-guided into submission…….and the Dems get all the black votes. What a plan!!!! And, the blacks keep voting for life on the Government Plantation. Didn’t Einstein observe that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and still expecting a different outcome.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      History, insight, critical thinking, rationality ain’t nobody got time for that. Now to see who claims the racist Democrats became Republicans in the 80’s

  17. avatar Stephen M says:

    Don’t lump the rest of us anarchists in with theae communist twats, please. They’re not real anarchists, most of us just want to be left the hell alone.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Bro your ideology got coopted worse than liberals or libertarians.

      1. avatar Salty Bear says:

        You can’t coopt someone’s ideology. You can coopt their vocabulary, but that has no bearing on the ideology that vocabulary was stolen from.

        I mean, if conservatives suddenly started calling for an end to civil liberties like the freedom to travel, the right of consenting adults to have relationships, or the right to consume plants; or if they supported redistribution of wealth or a domestically-operating standing army, would we say that “their ideogy was coopted by the RINOs” ? No, we’d say that those people aren’t real conservatives – that they’re wolves in sheep’s clothing who give a bad name to conservatism but who aren’t conservatives at all.

        So-called “left-wing anarchists” have a lot in common with many so-called conservatives, but neither group is really anarchist or conservative.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Factually you are absolutely correct. The problem is does it matter when the perception is already there and the big lie is taken as fact?

    2. avatar Vic Nighthorse says:

      You are also a member of the “surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism”? Me too.

      1. avatar daveinwyo says:

        I guess that’s a “me too” here.

  18. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

    It’s interesting how they make such noise about community patrols of trained and trusted members while seemingly missing the point of the militia. This is not an accident as commies hate it when their intended victims can shoot back training and trusted members be damned. I can only hope the kids still need to read Orwell (and hopefully understand it’s a warning not a guidebook)

    1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

      Heck, that’s what a police force is supposed to be. In many ways, it still is. But to some degree, they have been coopted by statists for their own purposes.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        Militarization of a lot of the departments didn’t help the image (still cant believe someone thought MRAP was a good idea with the maintenance issues they have) but some departments aren’t bad even up here.

      2. avatar User1 says:

        The police and military were created to get rid of the militia and the rest of the 2nd Amendment.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          We were always supposed to have a strong navy (can see the argument for air/space forces) but standing armies were not really encouraged. Sheriffs I think we’re also intended but I doubt municipal police forces would meet the intended framework of the founders. About a century past that screwup though.

    2. avatar route66paul says:

      Nobody in power likes it when people shoot back – that is the problem. Nobody should be in a position that gives them that much power over others. While no man is an island(we do need some peacekeeping), we don’t need the extreme harassment by government agents to shore up the merchants that do not want swap meet type peddlers for competition. It seems like they just want to keep the people down and not allow them a piece of the pie. I guess they feel that it is better if the rabble stay on the plantation.

  19. avatar Reason says:

    “the Second Amendment was intended in part as a means of controlling the enslaved black population and suppressing possible uprisings.”

    Ugg, They need to actually read the constitution and the Federalist Papers. Learn a little history they were never taught in school.

    1. avatar daveinwyo says:

      @Reason; You stole my line! But that’s OK.
      Amazing how many can’t seem to be able to educate themselves, given the ‘net and such. Even those “on the right”.
      Guess that explains the reading/comprehension level of the 8th grade.
      Dumbing down the people, to be more easily controlled.

      1. avatar CWT says:

        8th grade is being charitable.

        1. avatar daveinwyo says:

          Yeah, just a SWAG. Suppose I could look it up!

      2. avatar User1 says:

        The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America: A Chronological Paper Trail by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

  20. avatar Denton says:

    I thought the police were the “trained and trusted community patrols” who were “no higher than the rest of us”?

    They get some special protections under the laws because we as a community put them between us and danger but otherwise, they, ideally, aren’t any better than citizens.

    Also, if 2A matters, we have to fight for these idiots’ rights to also bear arms up until they commit a crime just like any 3%.

  21. avatar EWTHeckman says:

    The guy with glasses standing in the middle of that thumbnail looks an awful lot like the professor captured on video directing Antifa troops in Charlotte. I’ve also seen video of that guy bragging to his class that he had showed his rifle to the driver of the silver Dodge just before he drove into the crowd. (There’s also video of someone whacking the back of the car with a flagpole which likely triggered the driver to panic.)

    1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

      Update: Yes, that is him, Professor Dwayne Dixon of University of North Carolina.

      Here is a video of the car being hit with a flagpole.

      I also found a video that includes the clips of him with the rifle at Charlottesville and a Facebook post bragging about using it.

      And an article, which actually includes the picture above.

      I couldn’t find the video of him bragging to his class, so the Facebook post will have to do.

      I see a lot of gun people thinking that a civil war would be over quickly because the left isn’t armed. I really doubt it.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        The civil war part would be over quickly (especially after winter where it applies) regardless of who is armed. The high probability of infrastructure attacks and resulting misery of starvation disease and unorganized civil unrest would be the ongoing issue.

        1. avatar CarlosT says:

          Yes, this.

          The first Civil War was state vs state. Both sides had their own supply lines and logistics capabilities. The North ended up winning largely because they had better logistical support: their troops could get powder, bullets, food, the materials needed to fight when the South couldn’t.

          In the Second Civil War, it will be urban vs rural. Let’s call them blue and red areas, for no particular reason. The blue areas have a lot of vulnerabilities that will be accessible to the attack from the other side. Power generation is often in red areas and then transmitted to the blue areas. Water often flows from red to blue. Except for a few gardens here or there, essentially 100% of domestic food production is in red areas. If the Blues don’t quickly and decisively win Civil War II, I can’t see how they win at all.

        2. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Carlos you have a good grasp on the issues with the blue end. What would concern me is the red. Transportation infrastructure is needed by everyone including farmers/petroleum refineries/distribution centers. The inevitable chaos would likely reduce production on all fronts as workers would also need to devote time to pulling security. Add in some of the most efficient transportation paths getting blocked and populated areas getting cut off from various supplies be they red or blue. Rural living gets mighty rough without fuel, electricity, and replacement parts and few communities anywhere are up to be that self sufficient. Up end the likelihood of mass cannibalism is substantially lower.

    2. avatar Ark says:

      Armed radical planning and executing acts of violence for political ends. Sounds like a terrorist to me.

      1. avatar User1 says:

        When you do it you will be considered a terrorist even though you are trying to re-institute the U.S. Constitution.

        One should be very careful of the words and ideas they throw around.

  22. avatar Chief Master says:

    “designated community patrols made up of well-trained, highly trusted individuals who are chosen by and held accountable to said community (and who do not hold any or less power than anyone else due to their position)”
    Sounds like Vox thinks police shouldn’t hold any more power than “regular” citizens due to their position. Something we can agree on!

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Matters on who is doing the choosing and what makes someone trusted. I will stick with weapons for everyone trusted to live in society.

  23. avatar enuf says:

    Being anti-fascist is not a bad thing by itself. No more than being anti-dictatorship or anti-communist. The trouble is that these Antifa people decide who they will call “fascist”, how they will twist the meaning of it, until all meaning is lost other than “we don’t like you and want to beat you up”. Then they add in an anarchists view and all the violence they can get away with.

    Any positive value they had is quickly drowned out by all their organized violence and trouble making.

    1. avatar EWTHeckman says:

      Antifa is rebranded “Occupy”. The antisocial aggression came first. The “anti-fascist justification” came later. There has never been any “positive value.”

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        Thought a lot of the paid protestors looked familiar. Up here it’s been the same 3 white guys with dreads (got lost on the way to Phish) and a few crazy looking girls with blue hair now (was pink for occupy Albany)

      2. avatar User1 says:

        Antifa is an old European creation. They have been around for many years. The Americans are following their ways. That’s why the American Antifa chant in a different language.

    2. avatar User1 says:

      They throw in the “anarchist” part because they think that will fix the issue of communism not working like they want it to. Communism is inherently large government. Large government always becomes corrupt, out of control and violent. So they add the “anarchist” part into their communist rhetoric, however, anarchy is the opposite idea to communism. Anarchy is about not having a centralized power that controls the individual, it’s about small localized voluntary governance.

      Antifa is the modern version of the KKK; instead of being nationalists they are globalists. Essentially they are a white group that wears an unofficial uniform of a single color and they mask up when they rally. Mayors, judges, police, etc, are on their side — they allow the madness and protect them as much as they can. Antifa carry their flag and symbols proudly as they destroy the flag and symbols of the other. If a minority isn’t behaving like they want them to, Antifa will terrorize them into submission whilst saying they are protecting people. They even “string people up” as a joke by spraying them with silly string [fucking sadistic supremacists].

      The more things change, the more they stay the same.

      1. avatar John in Ohio says:

        Wow, you’re really on target lately.

        I generally have nothing to add to these because they tend to be complete, as far as my viewpoint and opinions.


      2. avatar Chris T in KY says:

        You have hit a bull’s eye. I have been saying Antifa are the modern KKK since they first came on the seen. And like the Klan they also work for the Democrat Party.

        Publicly embracing silly string to “”string someone up” tells everyone what they really want to do to their opposition.

  24. avatar Ralph says:

    Look at those poses. Wow, how totally butch!

  25. avatar WI Patriot says:

    “Anarchists and ‘Anti-Fascists’: Guns Aren’t Just for Right Wingers Any More!”

    And that’s fine, the more the merrier, but remember, we’re YEARS ahead in experience…

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Not to mention that “right wingers” tend to have this stuff called “money” so their gear won’t be your bargain basement garbo-tier AR with a 50 shot to failure chicom knockoff optic.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        The recent bottom tier ar’s are actually getting into good enough territory, the optics…… Well you can find $50 that are functional but not consistently. Either way can’t wait to see the Antifa SAFE act starter kit.

        1. avatar Southern Cross says:

          They are going to be only used at “drive-by” distances, so quality doesn’t matter that much.

          The only “long-shots” they’ve ever done were in Call of Duty.

      2. avatar User1 says:

        Antifa are spoiled well off kids.

        The right are the ones that buy shitty AKs, illegal immigrant made ARs and Chinese optics. Did you see what the right wing guy had when he shot up the federal building? He didn’t have a bunch of money given to him.

        Leftists are given millions to protest, pass gun control and bring in illegal immigrants. That money can easily go to weapons.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Lol… you think that weeb neckbeard was “right wing”… you’re adorable.

    2. avatar SoCalJack says:

      Agreed. Most of us have LE, Mil and/or survivalist backgrounds.

      1. avatar route66paul says:

        Many do, but there are many, many owners of firearms who believe in liberty who do not have that type of training. We are a cross section of American society, we own weapons for all different reasons, and we support the 2nd. We will be there defending what is ours, including our neighbors and communities, that doesn’t mean we will go on the offensive.

        1. avatar WI Patriot says:

          No need to go on the offensive, they’ll come to us, guaranteed…

      2. avatar WI Patriot says:

        Exactly…real world experience…

  26. avatar Ark says:

    Don’t forget to watch the lefty on your right side, as well as the one on your left side.

    One of them has orders to put a bullet in YOUR head as soon as you’re done executing this group of landowners and their families.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Pattern recognition is not always their strong point hence their political dedication.

  27. avatar former water walker says:

    Meh…”them”=thousands. Us=MILLIONS. OH and Serge my lowly S&W Sport will kill you just as dead as your supposedly tactical setup😏

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Sure, if you can hit anything with an optic that won’t hold zero past the first shot and a rifle that fails to cycle every other trigger pull. Something tells me these clowns spend as much trigger time behind their toys as they do at the gym.

      1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

        It’s all fun and games till some asshole gets lucky on a magdump. But yeah unless they build carefully/get a good sale on the rifle and really luck out on the build batch of chinesium optics ($50 and below) chances are their equipment will have some issues.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          That’s why it’s important to properly use cover and use body armor. Something these clowns have zero proficiency in. Most of them look like they will keel over dead if they have to wear full kit for a few hours.

        2. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          True enough I just don’t count out luck based on personal experience. Nothing like almost getting your ears (and skull) pierced by a 303 from a durka pulling a mad minute at your convoy to make you wonder how much luck you have. Now I get to wonder if it was from my ancestor’s unit that was in the area during the great game.

      2. avatar VicRattlehead says:

        Even a mildly profecient shooter can hit a man-sized target at anything resembling ‘confrontation range’ with nothing more than basic iron sights on an AR.

        ‘jamming every other shot’ has a lot more to do with care and maintenance, as well as what kind of monkey has had their hands in it, than price tag.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          You think the same monkeys that can’t be bothered to shower and shave regularly will meticulously maintain their weapons? I’d bet 90% of those rifles don’t even have a proper zero. At anything over 50 yards, they’re hosed.

    2. avatar Southern Cross says:

      Let’s hope they die learning the difference between cover and concealment.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Why do you think my emergency standby stash has magazines loaded exclusively with 75gr ST or 77gr OTM rounds? The 77gr OTM is particularly amazing, I print 2-3″ groups at 200 yards out of a 10.3″ SBR with a LPVO. The nice thing about both those loads is that they are about as barrier blind as 5.56 gets.

  28. avatar Pg2 says:

    60+ posts, not a word about mandatory vaccination?

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      I’m good, hear about it every morning on the news.

    2. avatar CarlosT says:

      Not until you showed up. Because the rest of us can stay on topic.

  29. I’m waiting for a large asteroid or meteor impact to reset the world 🌎…Or as my dad would say…”My money is on the comet!”

  30. avatar GS650G says:

    The left love firearms. They just don’t want certain people to have them.

  31. avatar Kyle says:


    Guns are kinda suppose to be above politics. Maybe if the left starts shooting more, they’ll realize the 2nd amendment is a good thing.

  32. avatar Chip in Florida says:

    Thank you for reading Vox so we don’t have to. I tried Vox once, I still have some stupid on me that just won’t wash out no matter how hard I try.

    1. avatar Phil Wilson says:

      I hit ThinkProgress and Democrat Underground most days to get the leftist talking points. Yeah, you have to take a deep breath and get in the right mind frame before you go, but it’s way more efficient than watching network news or reading any of the major newspapers.

  33. avatar User1 says:

    Reminds me of this video. Honestly, it’s kind of humorous.

  34. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    The left is showing its true colors and if they decide to use weapons can easily receive kind in return. A really cold or frozen shake of icecream and milk could cause a hematoma.

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Or 2nd and 3rd degree chemical burns if they continue throwing quickcrete into them. ANTIFA and Redneck Revolt are domestic terrorist organizations.

  35. avatar Sal Chichon says:

    Let those leftard bitch-asses have guns. That way when we finally open fire on those shitheads in defensive retaliation, pay them back for all the violence they committed against non-combatants, and not feel bad about it since they were armed.

    I really hope trainers across the country do not allow leftists into their classes.

    1. avatar User1 says:

      They train a lot of leftists.

  36. avatar OBOB says:

    “””” controlling the enslaved black population “””

    then you look at the pic== and it has 5 very unemployed looking whites and ONE very bored looking black man that totally looks like “when do I get paid?” or I am only here for that buddy of mine john…

  37. avatar bryan1980 says:

    Today’s anarchist is tomorrow’s totalitarian dictator.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      It’s only oppression if it’s politically convenient.

  38. avatar sound awake says:

    make no mistake
    because theres no talking to people like this
    if we dont win at the ballot box these are the types of people we will eventually be forced to get into firefights with in the streets
    my prediction:
    >the side with the most pistol caliber carbines loses

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Yup. PCCs are for home defense and fun. Rifles are for actual fighting.

    2. avatar jbob says:

      I’m an old fat guy who at this stage of life makes a better target than soldier but it saddens me to think that you’re right and to make matters worse we’re slowly losing the ballot box to suborned non-citizen voting through making it their responsibility to opt out of automatic voter registration in places like New York and California. I was in awe watching the second democratic primaries, every single one of them shamelessly campaigning to illegal aliens while neglecting issues facing American citizens. It’s gone so far past the point of sanity that Beto actually crossed the border and went to Mexico to campaign.

  39. avatar jbob says:

    The simple truth is that the left hates guns in the hands of private citizens because they view them as a tool of control, whereas those of us that are more liberty minded view them as a deterrant against those control minded aholes.

  40. avatar Cknarf says:

    The 2A is for everyoneeeeeeeee woooooooooo

    Exercise them rights, America.


  41. avatar Chris Morton says:

    There isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the Klan, Ernst Roehm’s SA, and Antifa. They’re all racialist terror groups committed to oppression and genocide.

    As a Black man who refuses to submit to White Maoists, Antifa is reason enough for me to own firearms.

  42. avatar kap says:

    I glad they own them but owning them and posing is a lot different than Combat,++so I wish them luck when push comes past shove!

  43. avatar Mad says:

    Libtards believe only Patriots will die in the coming war very foolish thinking

    1. avatar Tyrone says:

      And extreme-right so-called patriots think that only liberals, leftists, gays, and people of color, will die in their much hyped and dreamed of hypothetical civil war.

  44. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    It was the “right wing” gun owners who stood against the Federal government at the bundy ranch. And at the oregon mining company. Ya those “right wing” gun owners are very dangerous to any government overreach. It was the democrat Obama who sent MRAPS and grenade launchers to High School police offices. As well as select fire M16s to police departments everywhere.

    The Left wing likes the police when they are controlling them. Like in Portland or chicago or DC or Los Angeles etc etc.

    I like the police. And I also don’t trust the police in many different ways.

    1. avatar Chris T in KY says:

      It was democrats in the 1950s who ordered police to stand down while civil rights protesters were attacked by civilian mobs. In 2019 the Democrats are doing the same thing. Ordering the police to stand down while innocent and unarmed people are attacked.

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